What are you people smoking?

ShinRa · #1 26-01-2004, 05:03 PM

All I hear is how terrible you all think DX: IW is. How in what way is it terrible?
The storyline is great, the graphics, aside from the faces and the blood splatter, are amazing. The physics are best in a game we've seen yet. The interaction and gameplay is also awesome. What the hell are you all knocking on it for? It completely obliterates DX1 in every aspect. You guys just don't want to believe the sequel to a game can be better than the original. One cries wolf, the rest of the pack follows. You all know very well theres nothing wrong with this game at all. However, I'd LOVE to hear your reasoning as to why the game was so 'terrible.'

thenerdguy · #2 26-01-2004, 05:08 PM

I really liked it. But DX 1 is better. gameplay is fun and I like the hud, even the INV setup is natureal for me.
I think it really depends on the person playing it.

KiNG · #3 26-01-2004, 05:30 PM

the things i didnt like about it was that there was no location dmg, the skills were thrown out, acting was bad, maps were bland and plain, for the most part unoriginal. ai was poor and i just plain didnt like the feel of the game. this is why I didnt like it. im sure there are more reasons running around in my head that i ddint catch.

EDIT: basicly it didnt live up to what they said it would, or more importantly what i expected.

Dedalus · #4 26-01-2004, 05:31 PM

i despise it simply for the reason that xboxers have been given preference over those that made DX big in the first place. you know what it feels like? it feels like getting bent over the workbench and getting a good shafting by the people at Ion Storm. this game, in not so many words, makes me sick.

yeah the story is pretty decent, i'd give that 9/10, it was pretty much everything i expected from IS in terms of a story. i don't award graphics so you can disregard that, although i have a killer machine and it ran like a dog. the physics aren't really useful and you wouldn't miss them if it was removed. the thing that bugs me is that everything that made DX1 the game it was has been removed in favour of reaching the masses. and me like many others, find this irritating, annoying etc. i could use some choice words here but i won't. and what makes it worse is that i paid extra to get it imported here to the UK, so i spent extra and just got shat on by a bunch of xboxers. and you know what, the xboxers won't even appreciate what DX actually is, they'll play it, shoot a few things, make a dumbarse of themselves then go back to Tony Hawks. it's disgusting.

to summarise, my quick capsule review (that in no way shape or form will EVER get altered):

Piece of shit.

hope that answered your question, i'll be here to justify anything you need justifying etc.

Sui · #5 26-01-2004, 06:00 PM

OMFG... how can u be so disrespectful? i have played the demo, and although my opinion COULD cahnge it wont. stop slagging off the game just because the developers CHANGED things!!!! IMAGINE HOW EASY IT WOULD HAVE THEM TO CREATE AN IDENTICAL GAME, WITH A DIFFERENT STORYLINE!!! for our gaming pleasure, the develpers spent hours on polishing an imaginitive, new system that is a joy to play and doesnt feel like the borink **** that gets churned out in below average games every week. DE:IW is an amazing game, that has recieved amazing reviews from reviewers that ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT GAMES... all the public do is complain about what they are given. They ask for something, and when they get it they scream and ask for something else.
im sorry for the language, but i feel agrivated by the *****s that dont appriciate anything.
peace out.

Dedalus · #6 26-01-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicide42

OMFG... how can u be so disrespectful? i have played the demo, and although my opinion COULD cahnge it wont. stop slagging off the game just because the developers CHANGED things!!!! IMAGINE HOW EASY IT WOULD HAVE THEM TO CREATE AN IDENTICAL GAME, WITH A DIFFERENT STORYLINE!!! for our gaming pleasure, the develpers spent hours on polishing an imaginitive, new system that is a joy to play and doesnt feel like the borink **** that gets churned out in below average games every week. DE:IW is an amazing game, that has recieved amazing reviews from reviewers that ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT GAMES... all the public do is complain about what they are given. They ask for something, and when they get it they scream and ask for something else.
im sorry for the language, but i feel agrivated by the *****s that dont appriciate anything.
peace out.

no my point was that they removed everything that made DX1 good. i was expecting some sort of evolution and changing of ideas, but DX:IW is just a de-evolution of ideas and concepts. 1 step forward with DX1, 15 steps back with DX:IW. buy it when it comes out in february and you will change your mind. have you played the original? if not then i suggest you play that one first.

KiNG · #7 26-01-2004, 06:06 PM

it might have been a great game but i didnt like it, and when u make a sequall to a very popular game, chances are that if u change it, some people(like myself) wont be as interested or like it as much or even at all. dont be an ass and cry and yell at us for not liking it, your just showing us what kind of person likes DE:IW.

Sui · #8 26-01-2004, 06:15 PM

i have completed the original 2wice and seen all the endings. i loved it, but felt that the skill system was unessacery (although i did like it). i love the concept that YOU impove at DE:IW and customize guns and yourself instead of the skill system. i like the way they make 1 multitool instead of multitool + lockpick, and the fact that the ammo is all the same ADDS MORE TACTICS INTO THE GAME.... it may be unrealistic BUT IT IS BETTER. overall i feel that the game is an improvement.. and btw, games are meant to be played. THEY ARE NOT SOME REAL LIFE SIMULATOR!!! ITS SCI FI FOR ***/S SAKE... btw this is for all the ppl i hear whinig about all these facts, not at anyone in person like king seems to think. PLUS, dedalus has been saying his opinions strongly so y cant i???

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(that in no way shape or form will EVER get altered):

Piece of shit.

and plz add anymore things that are wrong with the game... i dont want to find any of the bad points as a suprise (to go against what ive been SAYING LOL).

Dedalus · #9 26-01-2004, 07:06 PM

well all i can say is wait till february then you'll be joining the ranks of people complaining at what a waste of hard drive space this game is. seriously. it should've been an xbox exclusive, at least then i wouldn't have been insulted.

you say you've played the original twice now. so you'll remember how you can take different routes and break alliances and piss people off and back stab people etc. well there's really none of that in the 'sequel'. you can back stab anyone and everyone but they're still your friends. it's pointless. nothing has any consequences in this game. the only real decision you make is at the end when you decide who you want to complete the game with. and on top of that it's about as long as kill bill volume's 1 & 2.

but seriously, i don't think you can comment on the game after only playing the demo. although the demo is a fair portrayal of what the full game is like. there's also a patch which makes the text smaller and adds mouse support to the menu's, but really, i'd have liked a patch that was around 2 cds big and was called Deus Ex: The Real Sequel.

put it this way. you've seen LOTR? it's like they released LOTR, everyone loved it, then they released the sequel, and they used cardboard cutouts and they used sub-standard characters and didn't even bother to use Tolkien's books as reference material but made it up as they went along. yeah, some people would like it, but on the whole, it would just be a giant turd and people would be up in arms. but when it comes to Deus Ex, no. it's good that the xbox is systematically lowering the standards of our best games. it's good that good devs can be bought and then end up churning out endless corporate drivel.

anyway, i hope you'll buy it when it comes out and i'd be interested to hear what your verdict is.

KiNG · #10 26-01-2004, 07:20 PM

jesus suicide take it like a man, some people dont like it, u do not have an obligation to make them like it. quit cryin the game was not perfect nor close to it.

Sui · #11 26-01-2004, 10:20 PM

OK.... thanks dedalus....
and king... btw this whole thread is here so we cam argue over DE:IW.... thats the point. and u have strong opinions so y cant i say my stong opinions? i know ive only played the demo, but i have read glowing revies of the game on the internet and in magazines (pcgamer gave it 92% + pczone gave it 89% i think). But first u post saying how utter shit it is, then whe i say i think it is good u bite my head off and say i should accept the fact that it is shit. is it just me or is that a little unfair??? sure i amy have sounded like i felt strongly over the matter, but that is because i DID feel strongly over the matter.

just because i got an A* in my persuasive writing english essay

although in that i didnt use caps lock and *s but thats not the point.....
..the point is that this is a discussion and discussions do end up with ppl screaming their points at each other.

AND u have to accept the good point of the game.... which is what ive been saying. but so far everyone i speak to just comments on the bad points and make no ackknowledgements on the good improvements? i mean, the way that the changes improve the tactical layout of the game and how we adapt the surroundings?

Dedalus · #12 26-01-2004, 10:55 PM

i wasn't aware of any tactical enhancements made to the game, maybe i missed them. could you elighten me as to what you personally found to be an improvement.

oh btw, it's good to hear from someone who reads PCZ, i think you're the first one i've met off these forums. remember, in their review they pretty much slated it, but they took the score as an individual game, not standing it up against the sequel.

mrchimp · #13 26-01-2004, 10:58 PM

I havn't played DX:IW but it sounds very consolely to me and not very in depth for a RPG/FPS. I don't like the look of the screenshots especially the interface.

All i can say is I find it suspicious that it's getting so many good reviews when so many people hate it, I would love to see a review that completely and utterly slanders this game, I hate the fact a large portion of the gameing commmunity stands unrepresented by the critics who seem to be loseing touch with the hardcore gamers and just pleaseing the masses. It stands to reason that a couple of gameing sites and magazines would have given this game really poor reviews.

Dedalus · #14 26-01-2004, 11:03 PM

yeah i noticed that too mrchimp. although my much loved PCZone did slander it, they ended up giving it an 89% for some weird reason about treating it as an individual game rather than a sequel. i suspect the main review sites around the net are afraid to lose their exclusives and what have you, and no doubt a few fivers slipped down their pockets for their convenience.

AudioRage · #15 27-01-2004, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicide42

OK.... thanks dedalus....
and king... btw this whole thread is here so we cam argue over DE:IW.... thats the point. and u have strong opinions so y cant i say my stong opinions? i know ive only played the demo, but i have read glowing revies of the game on the internet and in magazines (pcgamer gave it 92% + pczone gave it 89% i think). But first u post saying how utter shit it is, then whe i say i think it is good u bite my head off and say i should accept the fact that it is shit. is it just me or is that a little unfair??? sure i amy have sounded like i felt strongly over the matter, but that is because i DID feel strongly over the matter.

just because i got an A* in my persuasive writing english essay

although in that i didnt use caps lock and *s but thats not the point.....
..the point is that this is a discussion and discussions do end up with ppl screaming their points at each other.

AND u have to accept the good point of the game.... which is what ive been saying. but so far everyone i speak to just comments on the bad points and make no ackknowledgements on the good improvements? i mean, the way that the changes improve the tactical layout of the game and how we adapt the surroundings?

He said you should accept the fact that some of us don't like it.

I played the demo.
It turned me off to the game completely.

It was just, Sub-Par.
The game as a whole just isn't good enough to be the smash sequel the DX fans were hoping for.