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Old 04-11-2009, 04:02 AM
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For the past 10 years, the factories in my area (pretty much the only decent paying jobs available without a college education), higher people only as temps. As a temp you receive no health care coverage.

After a period, they are expected to hire you on full time, yet they have found loop-holes. For example, to rotate the temps, by laying them off in sequence, and calling on them later to come back.

I went through this for about 10 years, constantly putting in applications for full or part time work like the rest of the temps. 1 in 100 or 200 were ever hired. None ever received health coverage or any other benefits that full-time employees receive. For example, we got 1 day of paid vacation for Christmas day, while the full time employees got more than a week. Either way, we didn't get work, since they shut down for the holidays. So, 10 days off no pay during Christmas. Thanks.

I'm so glad I don't have to go through this any more. I was lucky and got hired by my brother.
Why would you do temp work for 10 years? That's all on you man, serious. The economy and job market in the past TEN years was not ALWAYS bad especially during the boom times.

It's called temp work because it's TEMPORARY. 10 years is considered a permanent position by most people and if you chose to work for the temp agency that long it's your choice. Remember, as a temp you work for the agency so it's them who should pay you benefits.

If you hire a landscaping company to do your yard should you be held accountable by the workers to provide them with benefits? The factories are paying the agency, not you.



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no, the bottom line is that people will stupidly cling on to a partisan viewpoint regardless if it makes any sense whatsoever. you people have your ideological rhetoric so far up your collective asses that the opposition could give you the best possible plan on this earth on a silver platter and you'd STILL reject it for some obscure and completely retarded reason. really you people deserve the shitty stick you're given. too bad the sane amongst you has to suffer because of other people's stupidity
This isn't about idealogy or "you people" seperatist thinking. I'm asking because I have private health coverage through my employer, and I could potentially be heavily negatively affected by this. You aren't even an American and this won't change your coverage, but it will me. I will curse all of you who support it if this passes and has an affect causing me to lose my health coverage.

Stop trying to engage me as "RED VS BLUE" thinking and respond to the substance of what I'm saying. I'm asking because this affects ME in REAL LIFE.
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Old 04-11-2009, 06:14 AM
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Somebody please tell Stern to quit trolling. He does this in almost every thread he posts in. The reason nobody calls him out on his often-offensive posts is because many people here happen to agree with his views, if not the delivery.
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Old 04-11-2009, 06:48 AM
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Why would you do temp work for 10 years? That's all on you man, serious. The economy and job market in the past TEN years was not ALWAYS bad especially during the boom times.
Oh, really? Because 10 years ago, I worked as a temp at a factory that manufactured parts for GM and Ford. September 11 and the war that followed caused the factory to close down.

The only good paying jobs around here only hire through temp agencies.

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It's called temp work because it's TEMPORARY. 10 years is considered a permanent position by most people and if you chose to work for the temp agency that long it's your choice.
Right. I was an employee of the temp agency. This means instability, no guarantees, and very little benefits.I might work at one factory for a month, and if I'm lucky and do well, I get another assignment at another factory that needs help during the holidays or to handle increased business. A health care plan was offered, but it comes at a high cost. With no guarantee that you will be working next week, it doesn't pay off.

The temp agency has loop-holes as well. They don't keep you on, they don't need to give you benefits. The amount of time I spent laid off nearly equaled the time I spent working. They managed to keep me at one factory for 2 years without giving me benefits by taking advantage of the loop-holes in the system.

Again, I believe I said already, it's either the factories (through a temp agency) or Retail/restaurant work. There aren't any other options in my area, unless the factory decides to hire you on after a few months as a temp.

Obviously, with thousands working through the temp agency here, competition for the few job openings at factories is incredibly fierce.
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Old 04-11-2009, 07:16 AM
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Oh, really? Because 10 years ago, I worked as a temp at a factory that manufactured parts for GM and Ford. September 11 and the war that followed caused the factory to close down.

The only good paying jobs around here only hire through temp agencies.
Then why don't you work FOR the temp agency? (I'm being sarcastic. Obviously they have employees and there has to be other employment. There are utilities, infrastructure jobs, etc etc) I have a hard time believing the "only" employers use ONLY temp agencies for staffing.

What is your zip code? I'll find you some job examples.

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Right. I was an employee of the temp agency. This means instability, no guarantees, and very little benefits.I might work at one factory for a month, and if I'm lucky and do well, I get another assignment at another factory that needs help during the holidays or to handle increased business. A health care plan was offered, but it comes at a high cost. With no guarantee that you will be working next week, it doesn't pay off.
It doesn't make sense for a temp agency to offer a lot of benefits because the employees are temporary. The whole idea behind working temp isn't to stick with the agency for years. I worked for temp agencies as well and left the ones with no opportunity. I also left a region with poor job outlook because of this (and even there, there was work to be had if you were willing but just nothing I wanted or was willing to do)

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The temp agency has loop-holes as well. They don't keep you on, they don't need to give you benefits. The amount of time I spent laid off nearly equaled the time I spent working. They managed to keep me at one factory for 2 years without giving me benefits by taking advantage of the loop-holes in the system.
It's not loop-holes, it's designed that way because they're not in the business of having permanent employees. A temp agency is designed to have a rotating staff that some it places into permanent positions, others who work there until moving elsewhere. I don't know of many people who would ever stick with an agency (or agencies) for upwards of 10 years.

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Again, I believe I said already, it's either the factories (through a temp agency) or Retail/restaurant work. There aren't any other options in my area, unless the factory decides to hire you on after a few months as a temp.

Obviously, with thousands working through the temp agency here, competition for the few job openings at factories is incredibly fierce.
Like I said earlier where are you at? At least what region if you're not willing to drop a zip code or city name. And if it IS 100% completely true that bad (NO other work besides temp agencies or factory) then you should consider moving for a better life.
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Old 04-11-2009, 08:07 AM
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I have a hard time believing the "only" employers use ONLY temp agencies for staffing.
They have employees that have been there for years, but it's true, 50% of the staff is temps. That way they don't have to worry about any benefits. They spend a half hour or so training you, then you are just a replaceable part to them.


There was this thing my supervisor said to me once, towards the end of my time at the temp agency:

Me to my Supervisor: "If I'm your best temp that you know you can rely on, then why won't you guys hire me on? I've been here almost 2 years and I can work every position here. That's a lot of versatility, something that none of your current employees can claim."

His reply: "The temp agency doesn't really like it when we take their best temps. They kind of get mad at us."

How naive of me, when starting new assignments, when they tell me my temporary position will last 3 months, then they will be required to make a decision to hire me on or release me.


I don't work there anymore - I've got a real job now, but I feel for the people that do work at temp agencies.

Also important to note, I was injured while working there, and the temp agency had to pay for my medical care and treatment. After that, my temp agency never gave me work again. "I'm sorry, we don't have anything available at the moment, please call again in a few weeks." x 10
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