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Dog--
28-12-2005, 06:47 AM
Who Here Absolutely HATES Metal?

I do.

_Z_Ryuken
28-12-2005, 07:07 AM
Dude if it weren't for metal we'd all be driving Saturns with carbide engine blocks.

Kamikazie
28-12-2005, 07:29 AM
a little angry are we dog? what did the metal do to you /baby voice

Glirk Dient
28-12-2005, 07:40 AM
I don't hate it but I really dislike it!

Depends on the kind of metal really...the harder it is the more I hate it...that sounded bad.

Laivasse
28-12-2005, 07:59 AM
Metal owns all music. Sorry. Try again next life :thumbs:

Bohonkie
28-12-2005, 08:32 AM
Metal is absolutely trash. It's an excuse for pygmy-genitled musicians to play super-technical bullshit that's completely devoid of any emotion or enjoyable melody. "Let me slam these drums as ****ing fast as I possibly can so that metalheads can masturbate while explaining to their friends how hard it is to play this musical equivelent of copulating yaks." I don't care how hard your shit is to play if it sounds like...well, shit.

With that said, even if I slightly enjoyed metal, I'd still deny it soley based on the fanbase. Sorry metalheads, you guys are pretty lame.

operative x
28-12-2005, 08:33 AM
Saying it owns all is... stupid. Some of it's ok, but nothing emotionally powerfull like some of Hans Zimmer or James Newton Howard's work. It's just something for you kids to have fun with.

AIDisabled
28-12-2005, 10:42 AM
I hate broccoli.

bumblebee
28-12-2005, 11:16 AM
I love music. I love Metal and Rock. I love Death Metal. I love alot of metal.

However, I'm not one-sided like some other people. I love cambodian and pop music. I love tribal rhythms. I love indian music. I also like J-Pop and J-Rock.

My first style of music I've ever liked has always been Metal and Rock. I can't stand it when people hate a certain style of music. You don't need to like the music, but you should appreciate other styles of music.

I don't like to say metal owns all. Because that is also one-sided.

Metal is absolutely trash. It's an excuse for pygmy-genitled musicians to play super-technical bullshit that's completely devoid of any emotion or enjoyable melody. "Let me slam these drums as ****ing fast as I possibly can so that metalheads can masturbate while explaining to their friends how hard it is to play this musical equivelent of copulating yaks." I don't care how hard your shit is to play if it sounds like...well, shit.

With that said, even if I slightly enjoyed metal, I'd still deny it soley based on the fanbase. Sorry metalheads, you guys are pretty lame.

So, may I ask you. What genre of music do you like? I'm not gonna bash it like you would, if I don't like it. I'll appreciate the music you would like. You can have you own opinions, just don't freakin bash it. You should really learn to keep your hateful opinions to yourself. Only people like you masturbate over the fact that they hate it so much, they squirm in their pants once they post a bashing message on the internet, which means they get a buzz once telling people how much they hate something. Buzz=Masturbate. Its until someone will hopefully give you an insight to stop been a stupid prick, and bashing someones favourite genre.

Dude, at least just say you hate it. I don't care. Just don't bash it so hard, as well as the metalheads.

pomegranate
28-12-2005, 12:03 PM
If you're so very bothered about something that has absolutely no effect on you, you need to get a life.

Lukasz
28-12-2005, 12:05 PM
I like it

Kangy
28-12-2005, 12:28 PM
I don't hate it, but a lot of it is complete shit. Then again, some of it is really good.

-Psy-
28-12-2005, 12:36 PM
Modern Metal is a load of shit. Take Slipknot for example. All they do is yell. Big ****ing whoop.

If you want good metal try Metallica. If you don't like some of their heavy stuff then try something more mellow like the LOAD album or listen to Nothing Else Matters, One, Mama Said and Hero of the Day.

Modern metal bands are giving the genre a bad name imo.

Absinthe
28-12-2005, 12:41 PM
**** metal. **** Slipknot. **** Metallica. **** your underground "oh it doesn't get airplay because it's too awesome" wanker artists. Metal blows.

Lucid
28-12-2005, 12:48 PM
Yeah well...
Metal hates YOU!


Metal owns your ****ing souls, you're just all in denial. :angel:

-Psy-
28-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Lol how are they wanker artists. They play their own instruments, write their own music and lyrics unlike most chart topping artists of today.

It's not underground. It's just different cultures.

Absinthe
28-12-2005, 01:09 PM
Lol how are they wanker artists. They play their own instruments, write their own music and lyrics unlike most chart topping artists of today.

It's not underground. It's just different cultures.

Good thing I don't listen to the charts.

And I didn't mean Metal was underground. It's just that whenever somebody says they like some moderately recognized metal group, there's always a couple of people who say that (insert absolutely unrecognizable underground artist here) is infinitely superior. Of course, upon saying you've never heard of them, you get an earload of the "dude, the masses couldn't digest this shit" routine.

mortiz
28-12-2005, 01:13 PM
I only really like Heavy Metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest), bands like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Rush which are sort of Hard Rock/Heavy Metal crossovers, luminaries of the Heavy Metal genre and some Thrash/Power.

Heavy Metal is just pure entertainment, the massive live production values, the pyrotechnics, the in your face riffs and lyrics. Bring it on! I can't stand bands in other genres, mostly indie, that mope around like they don't want to be there. Who don't put on a show and who don't interact with the crowd. Boooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnggggggg!!!111eleven.

Zephos
28-12-2005, 01:24 PM
Metal is fine...

but

RAP SUCKS CANT ANYONE ****ING SEE THAT?!!

Jesus, these guys are no talent morons who because they can "talk fast" and use a synthesizer (badly I might add) they can make their way into the music industry. **** 50 cent **** Enimen **** Snopp Dogg **** em all

Laivasse
28-12-2005, 02:21 PM
Saying it owns all is... stupid. Some of it's ok, but nothing emotionally powerfull like some of Hans Zimmer or James Newton Howard's work. It's just something for you kids to have fun with.

As stupid as it may be to say one genre of music owns all others, it's about twice as stupid to say that there's no emotionally affecting metal. Try some depressive Black Metal like Shining, Leviathan, Abyssic Hate...well, anything really. I'm not one for namedropping tbh.

You'll find emotionally powerful stuff throughout all walks of metal - integrity, passion, and emotional intensity is what metal is built off of. Why do you think it became common for vocalists to eschew clean singing and go for screams and growls? It's an easy way of expressing emotional intensity, that's why.

Half the posts bashing metal are about how they don't like the fans. Well that says a lot about those people tbh. I don't like metal fans either. It doesn't make the blindest bit of difference to what I listen to and how I feel about it - and when I listen to a band who I know to be a bunch of total arseholes and who have no commercial viability whatsoever, but I love their music, then at least I know I haven't been won over in some sort of pathetic popularity contest. I've also noticed an annoying trend in metal fans to try and qualify their tastes by saying "oh yeah, I don't listen to only metal, here's what other genres I listen to, blah blah, love me ;( ". Sod other genres, I don't listen to them. I don't feel the need to try and validate my taste in metal by listing some knobstick indie band or bland as hell classical composer.

It's amusing how most of the people bashing metal (and some of those sticking up for it...) wont actually know much of what they're talking about with regards to metal. I myself listen to a very narrow section of metal bands. It goes without saying that in any genre of music the mediocre will outweigh the outstanding - have any of you who are bashing metal listened to enough to overcome the 100:1 mediocre:good ratio which holds true for any genre of music? Unlikely. Not to mention the fact that metal is divided into so many subgenres which so scarcely resemble eachother that it's almost impossible to talk about one cohesive genre which can be defined singly as 'metal'. And yet you come on here, aiming to rag on a genre you know nothing about, and then when someone says "wrong, go away", it's somehow 'one-sided' :rolleyes:

How many threads on how many different types of music are there on this board? And How many have I appeared in saying "LOL SHUTP U FAG DON LIZZEN 2 DAT MEATL Z DA BEST"? Zero, that's how many. Like someone said, it's only a special type of insecure bullshitter who gets a thrill out of doing that. But if you're going to start bashing the music I like, then I'm simply going to tell you what I know - that metal is far better than anything you listen to, and us metal fans will be headbanging in confidence far beyond the time when all the mewling tramps in the background have ran out of breath. Cheers :thumbs:

CrazyHarij
28-12-2005, 02:25 PM
I can respect the amount of work and effort metal artists and bands put into being able to play drum and guitar instruments with great precision, doing complex sequences and still keeping rythm, unfortunately they don't use it for anything else than hyper-aggressive, pretty much pointless music that's devoid of any emotion but "KILL KILL HATE **** THE WORLD SUCKS MY PARENTS ARE MEAN TO ME".

I wouldn't say it's completely pointless though, because it's perfect for working out. But musically there's no message or emotion that's interesting to me.

I wouldn't put it in the same basket as Rap and Trance though.

ة الأسئلة الشائع
28-12-2005, 02:34 PM
I kinda like the band HIM every now and then.

Absinthe
28-12-2005, 02:59 PM
As stupid as it may be to say one genre of music owns all others, it's about twice as stupid to say that there's no emotionally affecting metal. Try some depressive Black Metal like Shining, Leviathan, Abyssic Hate...well, anything really. I'm not one for namedropping tbh.

You'll find emotionally powerful stuff throughout all walks of metal - integrity, passion, and emotional intensity is what metal is built off of. Why do you think it became common for vocalists to eschew clean singing and go for screams and growls? It's an easy way of expressing emotional intensity, that's why.

Half the posts bashing metal are about how they don't like the fans. Well that says a lot about those people tbh. I don't like metal fans either. It doesn't make the blindest bit of difference to what I listen to and how I feel about it - and when I listen to a band who I know to be a bunch of total arseholes and who have no commercial viability whatsoever, but I love their music, then at least I know I haven't been won over in some sort of pathetic popularity contest. I've also noticed an annoying trend in metal fans to try and qualify their tastes by saying "oh yeah, I don't listen to only metal, here's what other genres I listen to, blah blah, love me ;( ". Sod other genres, I don't listen to them. I don't feel the need to try and validate my taste in metal by listing some knobstick indie band or bland as hell classical composer.

It's amusing how most of the people bashing metal (and some of those sticking up for it...) wont actually know much of what they're talking about with regards to metal. I myself listen to a very narrow section of metal bands. It goes without saying that in any genre of music the mediocre will outweigh the outstanding - have any of you who are bashing metal listened to enough to overcome the 100:1 mediocre:good ratio which holds true for any genre of music? Unlikely. Not to mention the fact that metal is divided into so many subgenres which so scarcely resemble eachother that it's almost impossible to talk about one cohesive genre which can be defined singly as 'metal'. And yet you come on here, aiming to rag on a genre you know nothing about, and then when someone says "wrong, go away", it's somehow 'one-sided' :rolleyes:

How many threads on how many different types of music are there on this board? And How many have I appeared in saying "LOL SHUTP U FAG DON LIZZEN 2 DAT MEATL Z DA BEST"? Zero, that's how many. Like someone said, it's only a special type of insecure bullshitter who gets a thrill out of doing that. But if you're going to start bashing the music I like, then I'm simply going to tell you what I know - that metal is far better than anything you listen to, and us metal fans will be headbanging in confidence far beyond the time when all the mewling tramps in the background have ran out of breath. Cheers :thumbs:

Kay, but you still suck.

Dalamari
28-12-2005, 03:53 PM
I can't say I hate metal since I haven't really heard any, I remember hearing a Nightwish song and it wasn't too bad

Spectre01
28-12-2005, 04:05 PM
I like some metal. At least is isn't emo or pop, god that's some real shit.

pomegranate
28-12-2005, 05:01 PM
No entire genre is shit, that's just lazy thinking used by people to make themselves look like they have discriminatory taste..

-Psy-
28-12-2005, 05:49 PM
I love Metal but I'm a guitarist so I like many other genres aswell anything from Blues to Tribal Rhythms.

Most Metal bands have some damn good riffs, try Slayer for example. Some Metal bands have good lyrics, try Metallica's One, Few Metal bands have decent albums.

The one type of metal I cannot stand has to be....death metal :|

DeusExMachina
28-12-2005, 05:55 PM
I only listen to a few metal bands, but at least they're actually "metal." Most people say they like/hate metal and are listening to shit like Disturbed, SOAD, or Slipknot or hell...Metallica :rolleyes:. But Metal fans or "metalheads" are walking ****tards. They're even more pretentious than the most pretentious indie kids. They think only the shit they listen to is good and follow whatever crap the metal bands are doing. "Oh man this band's satanic?! THEN I'M ****ING SATANIC HARDCORE MOTHA****AS."

AIDisabled
28-12-2005, 06:04 PM
The stupidest thing I ever heard was this one time a friend of mine said that Werner Herzog movies are bad shit.

When I asked him why, he said, "Cause I don't get them." And then, "And I don't like them."

In a nutshell.

I have nothing against what your tastes are, but saying that something sucks just because you don't like it puts you firmly in doofus category.

Although today's metal does indeed leave much to be desired as far as I'm concerned. Ah, the glorious days when Metallica weren't cheap-ass sellouts.

mortiz
28-12-2005, 06:10 PM
I can respect the amount of work and effort metal artists and bands put into being able to play drum and guitar instruments with great precision, doing complex sequences and still keeping rythm, unfortunately they don't use it for anything else than hyper-aggressive, pretty much pointless music that's devoid of any emotion but "KILL KILL HATE **** THE WORLD SUCKS MY PARENTS ARE MEAN TO ME".

Erm, you're thinking of Emo. Metal isn't about that type of stuff (well, some is, but every genre has a few songs like that don't they?). Metal is mostly about Literature, History, Movies, some Sci-Fi, some Fantasy, pretty much a bit of everything.

Bands like Linkin Park aren't traditional "Metal" per-sae, they're what's affectionately known as "Nu-Metal", which is a form of Metal for Emo kids. How do you define Metalheads btw? I mean I enjoy the Heavy-Metal genre but I have short hair(not skinhead short, but short compared to your average "metalhead"), my usual attire is a T-Shirt, Jeans and Trainers. Am I still a "metalhead"?

Crushenator 500
28-12-2005, 06:27 PM
bands like Led Zeppelin
I'de just like to take this time to say that led zeppelin is one of the best bands there's ever been imo, kthx :smoking:

Axyon
28-12-2005, 07:10 PM
What I'm going to say pretty much mirrors what Laivasse did earlier on. I love Death Metal and Black Metal, and fully admit that it's pretty much the only music and the only kind of Metal I listen to. Yeah, I go to gigs and stuff but I don't grow my hair long, wear jackboots and spikes and all that shit. I don't want to look like an idiot, I just go for the music. Heck, I wear long shorts and DC/Vans, so let's clear the misconception that every Metal fan wears completely black clothing and sucks on the blood of virgins.

Addressing the point that people have made about Metal bands simply hitting their instruments fast enough to sound 'totally metal'; stick around the community long enough and you'll realise that bands like that are panned for being the rubbish that they are. The only people who'll rave on about how hardcore they are, are idiots that simply wish look fashionable or claim themselves as rebel or some crock like that. Unfortunately, these morons tend to gain the most public appearances. I fully admit that most Metal is hard to listen to and appreciate first off - I initially started with Power Metal (very melodious, clean vocals) and it took me a while to migrate to Black, Death, Grind etc... but so long as you listen to the right bands, you can really appreciate the incredible amount of talent that they possess.

Oh, and finally:

Modern Metal is a load of shit. Take Slipknot for example. All they do is yell. Big ****ing whoop.NOT METAL

-Psy-
28-12-2005, 07:12 PM
Yeah, I kinda wish I edited that out. Still crap though :)

I know someone who is a Goth and damn he is a right asshole.

SimonomiS
28-12-2005, 07:29 PM
Don't listen to it then. I hate dance music, but I don't go ranting and raving (unintended pun) about it because I can just choose not to listen to it. Unless someone's glued headphones to your ears with Slipknot or whatever playing, quit your bitching.

StardogChampion
28-12-2005, 07:52 PM
Metal is absolutely trash. It's an excuse for pygmy-genitled musicians to play super-technical bullshit that's completely devoid of any emotion or enjoyable melody. "Let me slam these drums as ****ing fast as I possibly can so that metalheads can masturbate while explaining to their friends how hard it is to play this musical equivelent of copulating yaks." I don't care how hard your shit is to play if it sounds like...well, shit.
That's the stereotypical view.

Limewire > Metallica - Sanitarium. That has some nice musical melody and it's pretty slow. You can't just say every song is banging drums/playing guitar as fast as they can. You could also try Alice in Chains - Junkhead, if you just pretend they're U2 but 50x harder, you might like it.

There's a lot of metal that sucks, like when you can't even understand what the singer's saying. He just stands there and screams into the mic - bands like Cradle of Filth. They just plain suck donkey balls.

Evo
28-12-2005, 07:54 PM
You should all know by now i love my Metal music!

Sheesh, i ain't gonna bother entering this debate!

Just listen to some good 'ole Metallica!

\o/

Lucid
28-12-2005, 07:57 PM
Fear Factory ftmfw

sinkoman
28-12-2005, 08:05 PM
Metal is absolutely trash. It's an excuse for pygmy-genitled musicians to play super-technical bullshit that's completely devoid of any emotion or enjoyable melody. "Let me slam these drums as ****ing fast as I possibly can so that metalheads can masturbate while explaining to their friends how hard it is to play this musical equivelent of copulating yaks." I don't care how hard your shit is to play if it sounds like...well, shit.

With that said, even if I slightly enjoyed metal, I'd still deny it soley based on the fanbase. Sorry metalheads, you guys are pretty lame.


That's what we call poser metal. You've probably never heard stuff like Sabbath, which has a more raw/punk feel to it, or Zeppelin, a more blues orriented metal (not even metal REALLY. And you sure as **** have better heard some zeppelin in your lifetime).

-Psy-
28-12-2005, 08:19 PM
Sanitarium what a great song :)

operative x
28-12-2005, 10:25 PM
they don't use it for anything else than hyper-aggressive, pretty much pointless music that's devoid of any emotion but "KILL KILL HATE **** THE WORLD SUCKS MY PARENTS ARE MEAN TO ME".
Exactly.

operative x
28-12-2005, 10:28 PM
I only listen to a few metal bands, but at least they're actually "metal." Most people say they like/hate metal and are listening to shit like Disturbed, SOAD, or Slipknot or hell...Metallica :rolleyes:. But Metal fans or "metalheads" are walking ****tards. They're even more pretentious than the most pretentious indie kids. They think only the shit they listen to is good and follow whatever crap the metal bands are doing. "Oh man this band's satanic?! THEN I'M ****ING SATANIC HARDCORE MOTHA****AS."
And they stink, too.

Prince of China
28-12-2005, 10:43 PM
Well, I don't hate it. I like all forms of rock (except Emo) ,so I can't say that I love it.

Dog--
28-12-2005, 11:16 PM
There is no Talent in metal, If you like metal I'll just scream Really loud into a microphone and play my guitar so it's really loud, here you have it - Metal...

Glirk Dient
28-12-2005, 11:22 PM
There are negative stereotypes for every kinda of music. I would probally fall into the emo or goth stereotype but in fact I hate people that actually are emo or goth. I am far from that lifestyle. What you listen to doesn't have anything to do with who you are. If you don't like a certain kind of music don't listen to it. It doesn't matter if it is very well made or crappily made and you like it. The point is whether or not you like it. I don't like classical rock but I acknowledge that they are amazing artists. So this thread is pointless and nothing but a flame fest. There will be no good that comes out of this thread since we are all flaming over opinions.

This is as equally worthless as pirates vs ninjas and cake vs pie.

Dog--
28-12-2005, 11:24 PM
Pff... A Ninja could kick a Pirates ass, And cake is waaaaayy better..

VictimOfScience
28-12-2005, 11:39 PM
What a ridiculous thread. If everyone made a thread about something they hated, this forum would be the worst pile of rubbish on the internet (with the notable exception of the Gamespot forums of course).

I like some metal and some rap and some jazz and some classical and some techno and some new age and some punk etc etc etc. You get the idea. No one likes all music from any genre, but to completely write-off an entire branch of music due to limited exposure to it and its many various incarnations is just plain foolish.

Bohonkie
29-12-2005, 12:48 AM
That's what we call poser metal. You've probably never heard stuff like Sabbath, which has a more raw/punk feel to it, or Zeppelin, a more blues orriented metal (not even metal REALLY. And you sure as **** have better heard some zeppelin in your lifetime).

I've listened to Sabbath. My dad is a huge fan and plays them occassionally. They're nothing I would ever choose to listen to in my free time, but it's tolerable.

I almost laughed with your second point. First of all, you are supposed to be giving me examples of metal bands, and immediately after listing Zeppelin, you clarify that they're not even a metal band. EXACTLY. Yes, I have listened to Zeppelin in my lifetime. I currently own Houses of the Holy, Physical Graffiti, I, II, III, IV, and How the West was Won. Zeppelin is awesome. I think the fact that they're not metal is more than just mere coincidence.

bryanf445
29-12-2005, 12:49 AM
dont like it much, but it beats rap

Laivasse
29-12-2005, 12:55 AM
Zeppelin is awesome. I think the fact that they're not metal is more than just mere coincidence.

LOL just have to step in and applaud this great logic here. Brannigans crisps are great, and they're not metal at all. Coincidence?! I THINK NOT

Que-Ever
29-12-2005, 01:06 AM
I like metal. I'ts probably my tied-first place for me liking genre. That last sentance didn't make any sense. Anyway. I didn't see any of the people who hated metal say what kind of music they DID like, and I'm interested :O

Bohonkie
29-12-2005, 01:09 AM
LOL just have to step in and applaud this great logic here. Brannigans crisps are great, and they're not metal at all. Coincidence?! I THINK NOT

Zeppelin is a band that plays music. Metal is a genre in the broad catagory of music. Zeppelin is not considered Metal by anyone with a positive IQ. Zeppelin is good. The vast majority of metal bands are not. Therefore, it is more than coincidence that Zeppelin is good and is not a Metal band.

Brannigans crisps are not a band that plays music. Instead, they are a highly unhealthy snack that many people, including absolute morons like yourself, choose to indulge in.

Next time you try to attack one of my posts, slow down. Look over your post. Does it make sense? Does your post make fun of me, or instead make you look mentally deficient? Although following these guidelines will probably result in you never posting again, you will cease sounding like a chromizonal mutant and we won't have to bother filtering out your posts.

Try again.

Que-Ever
29-12-2005, 01:14 AM
more than a coincidence would have been if led zeppelin had got together and said, "we think metal sucks, so we are going to try and be an extra good band to try and make this genre, which we will not indulge in, look completely crap." So, not that I'm agreeing with the other guy (I had no idea what he was talking about) but not only was your post wrong, but it was also kind of dumb.

Bohonkie
29-12-2005, 01:30 AM
more than a coincidence would have been if led zeppelin had got together and said, "we think metal sucks, so we are going to try and be an extra good band to try and make this genre, which we will not indulge in, look completely crap." So, not that I'm agreeing with the other guy (I had no idea what he was talking about) but not only was your post wrong, but it was also kind of dumb.

Ok, this is the last time I'm going to defend this statement, simply for the mere fact that everyone arguing against it sounds completely retarded.

I'll go over this slowly. See if you two can follow along.

It is more than mere coincidence that Led Zeppelin, a rock band, is good and not a metal band. It's more than coincidence because A) Led Zeppelin is a rock band, and there are known to be good rock bands, and B) There are no metal bands in existance that anyone without hearing damage can label good.

You are wrong AND dumb (not kind of dumb) for not understanding. Nice try.

Laivasse
29-12-2005, 01:41 AM
Zeppelin is a band that plays music. Metal is a genre in the broad catagory of music. Zeppelin is not considered Metal by anyone with a positive IQ. Zeppelin is good. The vast majority of metal bands are not.

What we have here, ladies and gents, is a coincidence (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=coincidence).

Therefore, it is more than coincidence that Zeppelin is good and is not a Metal band.

Noooooo....STOP. Heed the guy above. The existence of good bands in one genre doesn't mean that they are good because they are in that genre, or because they are not part of another.

Brannigans crisps are nice and tasty. I guess it must be because they are not a metal band, which are not nice and tasty :rolleyes:

You said something stupid...c'mon :cheers: face it. We all do it. You do it a hell of a lot more than normal people it seems, but still. Get over it and move on.

Oh and while you're at it it might be useful trying to grapple with the whole 'opinions=subjective' concept, too. Good luck.

edit: 'chromizonal mutant'?!

D€vIL²
29-12-2005, 01:42 AM
Metals awsome... if Its done well, and most of the mainstream metal bands suck fat balls. But seriously though, its gotten boring for me, I would rather listen to somthing that is more dynamic. it can be loud, or whatever, but for the sake of the music and not for the sake of just being loud.

Bohonkie
29-12-2005, 02:04 AM
What we have here, ladies and gents, is a coincidence (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=coincidence).



Noooooo....STOP. Heed the guy above. The existence of good bands in one genre doesn't mean that they are good because they are in that genre, or because they are not part of another.

Brannigans crisps are nice and tasty. I guess it must be because they are not a metal band, which are not nice and tasty :rolleyes:

You said something stupid...c'mon :cheers: face it. We all do it. You do it a hell of a lot more than normal people it seems, but still. Get over it and move on.

Oh and while you're at it it might be useful trying to grapple with the whole 'opinions=subjective' concept, too. Good luck.

edit: 'chromizonal mutant'?!


No. It is not coincidence. There are no metal bands in existance that I consider good. Zeppelin is not a metal band, and are good. THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. What I said was not stupid.

What you shortly stated afterwards, on the other hand, was more than stupid. Your analogy exited out of the realm of music into the catagory of salty snack foods, which bears no relavance to metal or even music in general. I don't even know why you keep coming back to your point, as it's completely without merit and only makes you look more like a "chromizonal mutant". This, to further explain, as it seems you had a question, is making reference to down syndrome, in which patients have a different amount of chromosomes than normal humans, and because of this, are handicapped mentally and physically. Yes, I was making fun of you, but don't worry, I'm sure Que-Ever didn't get it either.

And for your final point, I understand that opinions are subjective. I accept that some people listen to shitty music and somehow, someway learn to appreciate it. How have I gone against this in any way? The topic proposed a question, which was a matter of opinion. I replied with my opinion. I fail to see the problem here.

Trendkill
29-12-2005, 02:13 AM
Pretty crappy reasoning behind hating metal in this thread. Saying they just beat on the instruments, play as fast as they can, and all the lyrics are "KILL!" couldn't be more wrong.

Que-Ever
29-12-2005, 02:13 AM
do you even know what a coincidence is?
what you are saying IS a coincidence. It would be MORE than a coincidence if they had done it on PURPOSE, like I had said before.

mortiz
29-12-2005, 02:20 AM
While Zeppelin is not strictly a metal band, Zeppelin has had a massive influence on the Metal genre. If it wasn't for Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath Metal wouldn't exist as we know it today.

And Zeppelin did perform songs that could be considered "Heavy Metal" songs. Take "Achilles Last Stand" for example, it follows a very similar structure and sound to what "pure" Heavy Metal bands were using in the early 80's. If you despise all Metal as you claim then I don't see how you could like Led Zeppelin, because a lot of the early Metal bands carry a similar sound.

TheAntipop
29-12-2005, 02:24 AM
There is no Talent in metal, If you like metal I'll just scream Really loud into a microphone and play my guitar so it's really loud, here you have it - Metal...

lol.

I love these types of ignorant answers whenever one of these kind of threads come along.

Laivasse
29-12-2005, 02:26 AM
For a start, Bohonkie, you've changed your tune:

Zeppelin is good. The vast majority of metal bands are not.

There are no metal bands in existance that I consider good.

Regardless of how you want to rephrase yourself in order to make your initial stupid statement slightly more palatable, the relative proportion of good to bad bands in a certain genre does not make it any less of a coincidence when one good band pops up in another. Led Zeppelin's quality is as unrelated to the quality of metal as is the tastiness of Brannigan's. Realiiiise *mystical hand movements*

The objective=subjective think came to mind when you started appearing to make an argument out of objective fact here (if we take the word 'known' as meaning 'some people believe it to be so'...):

A) Led Zeppelin is a rock band, and there are known to be good rock bands

And then moved on into laughably unqualified subjectivity, general stupidity, and just plain wrongness here:

B) There are no metal bands in existance that anyone without hearing damage can label good.

Wow, there's been studies, has there? :rolleyes:

Anyway, your irrational belligerence leads me to feel like you're a teenager in the grip of a hormonal rage of some kind, and I can't help feeling that trying to explain coincidence to you a third time wouldn't be the greatest hour of my life. Continue this in PM if you really want.... :rolleyes:

BTW, 'chromizonal' pops up only 4 hits in google, and 2 are duplicated...but I'll give you the very small benefit of the very massive doubt.

EDIT - benefit revoked upon consultation

mortiz
29-12-2005, 02:34 AM
BTW, 'chromizonal' pops up only 4 hits in google, and 2 are duplicated...but I'll give you the very small benefit of the very massive doubt.

Nope, "chromizonal" isn't a word :). I think he means chromosomal.

Axyon
29-12-2005, 01:19 PM
lol.

I love these types of ignorant answers whenever one of these kind of threads come along.Heh, yup. It's like no-one actually bothered to read the points that some of us tried to make here multiple bloody times. People just read into the stereotype and don't bother to let anything else through their thick heads.

No. It is not coincidence. There are no metal bands in existance that I consider good. Zeppelin is not a metal band, and are good. THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. What I said was not stupid.Congratulations for making me read one of the most stupid posts on this forum for a long time. No Metal bands in existence? So, you've heard them all then? That's quite an achievement.

Lucid
29-12-2005, 01:26 PM
These pretzels are making me thirsty.

-Psy-
29-12-2005, 01:34 PM
Oh yeah? Terry's Chocolate Oranges are wayyyy better then your retarded cake.

Lucid
29-12-2005, 01:38 PM
Oh yeah? Terry's Chocolate Oranges are wayyyy better then your retarded cake.
STFU BITCH! *punches in face*

*steals the oranges* *runs*

StardogChampion
29-12-2005, 03:36 PM
There is no Talent in metal, If you like metal I'll just scream Really loud into a microphone and play my guitar so it's really loud, here you have it - Metal...
Wrong. Listen to Metallica - Nothing Else Matters, although you could say it's from their sellout album, but still technically metal.

But no doubt you won't even listen to one bit, then post on page 10 how "metal IS TEeh SucK with scREaMing N SHIT!!11!"

-Psy-
29-12-2005, 03:44 PM
STFU BITCH! *punches in face*

*steals the oranges* *runs*

Oh yeah! I thought you would run away...old granny....

Ahem. More to the subject at hand. I think Nothing Else Matters is a beautiful song.

jdufault
29-12-2005, 07:39 PM
I'm not as hardcore a fan of metal as I am of general Rock and R&B.

But I listen to everything, metal is ****ing awesome when you wanna get hyped up hardcore...

ComradeBadger
29-12-2005, 07:47 PM
I don't like metal, however, I don't hate it, it's just not my kind of music, it's a bit to heavy for my tastes:

The Subways
Maximo Park
Art Brut
Death Cab For Cutie
The Libertines
Babyshambles
Franz Ferdinand
The Paddingtons

(based on what I bought today <3 Christmas monies + HMV sales :E )

sea
01-01-2006, 03:50 AM
I can respect the amount of work and effort metal artists and bands put into being able to play drum and guitar instruments with great precision, doing complex sequences and still keeping rythm, unfortunately they don't use it for anything else than hyper-aggressive, pretty much pointless music that's devoid of any emotion but "KILL KILL HATE **** THE WORLD SUCKS MY PARENTS ARE MEAN TO ME".If you can't find emotion in something that is essentially raw emotion then you are emotionless and have been led into believing the emotionless drivel you pump into your brain is emotional.
There is no Talent in metal, If you like metal I'll just scream Really loud into a microphone and play my guitar so it's really loud, here you have it - Metal...My friend and I recorded a song early this year (http://media.putfile.com/Death-Metal-Orgasm) after I first started to learn to play the guitar during an afternoon of sugar-induced lunacy. The drums were done on my brother's keyboard, and the vocals and guitars were done by me, save the solo. It was made entirely in fun, took about ten minutes to do, should not in the least be taken seriously, and features no talent whatsoever. By your definition, it is metal, and, indeed, if we take many of the posts in this thread as true, something to be worshipped with horns held high. All of the supposedly required elements are present in it, and yet, it's crap by any standard. So you, and everyone else who echoes your misguided opinion, is wrong.
[...unchecked ignorance and gut-wrenching, delusional drivel...]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/acious/Random%20Pictures/you-fail.jpg

Now go listen to any Pain Of Salvation album and shove it.

pomegranate
01-01-2006, 03:53 AM
OH my god you're still posting about this bullshit tonight?? Get a life boy ffs!

sea
01-01-2006, 05:03 AM
OH my god you're still posting about this bullshit tonight?? Get a life boy ffs!What? It's the first post I've made in the thread and I've been away for a week. I got home a couple of hours ago and my friends aren't around due to the holidays. Go get drunk if it makes you happy, but I really don't care what day it is right now.

dream431ca
01-01-2006, 09:20 AM
Listen to nightwish and eat your own words.

stemot
01-01-2006, 10:28 AM
I don't like metal, however, I don't hate it, it's just not my kind of music, it's a bit to heavy for my tastes:

The Subways
Maximo Park
Art Brut
Death Cab For Cutie
The Libertines
Babyshambles
Franz Ferdinand
The Paddingtons

(based on what I bought today <3 Christmas monies + HMV sales :E )

Wow, I`ve found someone else who likes The Subways, I never thought I`d see the day :D

Oh, and yeah, I hate Metal :p

Danimal
01-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Metal is absolutely trash. It's an excuse for pygmy-genitled musicians to play super-technical bullshit that's completely devoid of any emotion or enjoyable melody. "Let me slam these drums as ****ing fast as I possibly can so that metalheads can masturbate while explaining to their friends how hard it is to play this musical equivelent of copulating yaks." I don't care how hard your shit is to play if it sounds like...well, shit.

With that said, even if I slightly enjoyed metal, I'd still deny it soley based on the fanbase. Sorry metalheads, you guys are pretty lame.

:laugh: I love ignorant rants :D

Oh, and yes I enjoy the occassional metal song.

Aspe
01-01-2006, 02:18 PM
I enjoy a number of different musical styles. Generic Metal is not one of them. I hate it. Having said that, I agree strongly with pomegranate, who stated that no entire genre is bad. Indeed, some of the metal that Martin Grech seems to encompass in songs such as Dalí and I am Chromosome is very well-done, and actually good. But then Martin Grech is a very interesting musician.

I have a very low tolerance of one or two genres, such as metal, hip-hop, pop, etc, though occasionally there is that one artist who seems to do it right.

I've no problem with metal existing. I just personally don't enjoy the greater part of it.

mortiz
01-01-2006, 03:32 PM
I don't mind people not liking Metal, but it's good to debate these things.

I have no qualms in admitting I'm pretty closed minded about some genres, such as Indie. Can't stand it. I don't like Oasis and most other "Brit-pop" bands. Most of them mope around like they don't want to be there, I don't think they're that bothered when they're laughing their way to the bank. I also don't like the way they sing, like they've got a cold or something. Liam Gallagher, argh, someone give this guy the beating he deserves.

ComradeBadger
01-01-2006, 04:38 PM
Wow, I`ve found someone else who likes The Subways, I never thought I`d see the day :D

Oh, and yeah, I hate Metal :p
Yeah, my friend knows them :D

Nice peeps as well as fun musicians :D

Terminas
01-01-2006, 06:36 PM
This thread is pretty funny. There seem to be a few intelligent people, and a massive amount of incredibly ignorant people. Hearing about how metal took no talent and had no emotion gave me a laugh, as well as how metalheads are pretentious and lame. I'm a metalhead, but I'm nothing like any description that was given here. I just like metal.

xombine
01-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Meh, its fair. Don't have anything against it.

stemot
01-01-2006, 08:25 PM
Yeah, my friend knows them :D

Nice peeps as well as fun musicians :D


I`d never heard of them before I saw them at Manchester supporting Oasis, they were the second best act on the bill that night, and the next day their debut album came out so I picked it up and it`s one of the best of the year, awesome stuff.

Oh yeah, I think the fellas in the crowd that day instantly fell in love with the blond lass in the group (don`t remember her name) :D

Evo
01-01-2006, 09:58 PM
People calling metal music non-emotional or meaningful??!??!

Listen to
Metallica - Nothing Else Matters
Metallica - Fade to Black
Metallica - The Unforgiven

chuck in other songs by metal bands, and you have deep meaningful lyrics with a metal core

\o/

dream431ca
01-01-2006, 10:07 PM
People calling metal music non-emotional or meaningful??!??!

Listen to
Metallica - Nothing Else Matters
Metallica - Fade to Black
Metallica - The Unforgiven

chuck in other songs by metal bands, and you have deep meaningful lyrics with a metal core

\o/

Metalica is weak. I used to listen to them but now there trash. Nightwish kills them in meaning...and in song production. Listen to them and see what I mean.

ComradeBadger
01-01-2006, 10:24 PM
I`d never heard of them before I saw them at Manchester supporting Oasis, they were the second best act on the bill that night, and the next day their debut album came out so I picked it up and it`s one of the best of the year, awesome stuff.

Oh yeah, I think the fellas in the crowd that day instantly fell in love with the blond lass in the group (don`t remember her name) :D
Natasha I think :D

She's supposed to be really really nice as well :D

sea
02-01-2006, 02:40 AM
Listen to
Metallica - Nothing Else Matters
Metallica - Fade to Black
Metallica - The UnforgivenFade to Black is lame. In fact, it's awful. The song is nice, but the lyrics are incredibly simplistic and are the very stereotype of emo. The vocals are atrocious, too. James can't sing and he shouldn't have tried. I can't judge the others, seeing as how I haven't heard them, though, so who knows, maybe they're better. A song like Master of Puppets or Disposable Heroes or Dyers Eve, now there you can clearly see a lot of emotion and even some storytelling, but when Metallica try to do ballads they completely mess things up, at least in my experience.

dream431ca
02-01-2006, 02:41 AM
Fade to Black is lame. In fact, it's awful. The song is nice, but the lyrics are incredibly simplistic and are the very stereotype of emo. The vocals are atrocious, too. James can't sing and he shouldn't have tried.

I couldn't agree more.

Evo
02-01-2006, 03:17 PM
Fade to Black is lame. In fact, it's awful. The song is nice, but the lyrics are incredibly simplistic and are the very stereotype of emo. The vocals are atrocious, too. James can't sing and he shouldn't have tried. I can't judge the others, seeing as how I haven't heard them, though, so who knows, maybe they're better. A song like Master of Puppets or Disposable Heroes or Dyers Eve, now there you can clearly see a lot of emotion and even some storytelling, but when Metallica try to do ballads they completely mess things up, at least in my experience.


Totally disagree, well okay, his voice on the original were pretty poor, but listen to the later 80's early 90's live versions and you have a monster of an amazing track

-Psy-
02-01-2006, 03:25 PM
In other words, listen to it on the S&M Album!

Evo
02-01-2006, 03:27 PM
Ahem...they didn't play Fade to Black on S&M

mortiz
02-01-2006, 06:39 PM
Metallica did some good Thrash stuff early on in their careers, Creeping Death being my favourite, but I also like Seek & Destroy (though it's a very simple song) Four Horsemen and MoP.

Anyway, we're hijacking the thread.

Space Farm
04-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Obviously Dog-- you haven't really listened to that much metal. There are some kickass bands out there but there are also some really, really bad bands out there.

Just don't dismiss the whole genre after you've heard Slipknot on the radio and didn't like it or something.

Kouler
04-01-2006, 03:38 PM
There is no Talent in metal, If you like metal I'll just scream Really loud into a microphone and play my guitar so it's really loud, here you have it - Metal...

Sigh... How do I start this off...

I participate in a metal band. Now I am going to tear up every little bit of that post and burn it.

"There is no Talent in metal,"
Well, how about I give you a guitar, the tabs for the solo of the song Metallica - One, and watch you shred it out. You should be able to handle it no problem, after all, "There is no Talent in metal," :upstare:

"scream Really loud into a microphone"
Oh alright, have a listen to Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium). Then tell me how you hated that nonexistant infernal screaming and how you couldn't understand a thing, since you're so deaf.

"play my guitar so its really loud"
You know, there are multiple volume knobs on the amp. As well as on WinAmp. But then again you can't hear a thing, for the reason I mentioned above.


That aside, 10/10 doctors recommend you print this thread out and shove it up your ass.

Evo
04-01-2006, 05:30 PM
Sigh... How do I start this off...

I participate in a metal band. Now I am going to tear up every little bit of that post and burn it.

"There is no Talent in metal,"
Well, how about I give you a guitar, the tabs for the solo of the song Metallica - One, and watch you shred it out. You should be able to handle it no problem, after all, "There is no Talent in metal," :upstare:

"scream Really loud into a microphone"
Oh alright, have a listen to Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium). Then tell me how you hated that nonexistant infernal screaming and how you couldn't understand a thing, since you're so deaf.

"play my guitar so its really loud"
You know, there are multiple volume knobs on the amp. As well as on WinAmp. But then again you can't hear a thing, for the reason I mentioned above.


That aside, 10/10 doctors recommend you print this thread out and shove it up your ass.

QTF, maybe we overuse Metallica on this forum, but also look at Maiden, even more complex with the 3 guitars!

Love my Metal! \o/

-Psy-
04-01-2006, 05:57 PM
I agree with Kouler, the solo to Metallica's One is absolutely insane.

Observe someone playing this very solo.

http://media.putfile.com/Onesoloab12

Aspe
04-01-2006, 06:38 PM
Sigh... How do I start this off...

I participate in a metal band. Now I am going to tear up every little bit of that post and burn it.

"There is no Talent in metal,"
Well, how about I give you a guitar, the tabs for the solo of the song Metallica - One, and watch you shred it out. You should be able to handle it no problem, after all, "There is no Talent in metal," :upstare:

"scream Really loud into a microphone"
Oh alright, have a listen to Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium). Then tell me how you hated that nonexistant infernal screaming and how you couldn't understand a thing, since you're so deaf.

"play my guitar so its really loud"
You know, there are multiple volume knobs on the amp. As well as on WinAmp. But then again you can't hear a thing, for the reason I mentioned above.


That aside, 10/10 doctors recommend you print this thread out and shove it up your ass.

I'm afraid you can't just tear up and burn this post simply with examples of bands such as Metallica. I see your point. But you're forgetting that Dog-- was not talking about Metallica specifically, but was in fact describing how he finds the metal genre in general. And in general, some might say that the metal genre more closely resembles what was described than what might be considered good metal. I tell you, good metal exists, in my opinion. But proportionally, it is dwarfed by a whole horde of absolute rubbish. Bear in mind that I hold such an opinion for just about every musical genre. You can't say any is completely bad, or completely good.

StardogChampion
04-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Here's a bit from Master of Puppets.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2715087112744795457&q=metallica+solo

-Psy-
04-01-2006, 06:56 PM
Wtf. I've just learned that solo and he plays some wrong notes lol

He plays the second one alright though.

sea
05-01-2006, 12:58 AM
He can't keep time for shit, either.

To be honest, a lot of Metallica solos aren't that difficult. I can nearly play some of them and I've been playing less than a year. They're not exactly the best example of extreme technicality, and to be honest, metal as a whole isn't the best genre to use for that purpose. Go get some jazz fusion stuff and then you'll see some incredible talent.

It does take more than the average Green Day song, though, I can tell you that.

Evo
05-01-2006, 01:11 AM
Any chance of us all accepting different musical tastes and not degrade into a flame war?!

Most music is made by good artists, some may not like some genres of it (like Metal) but that does not allow you to say Metal is shit

Lucid
05-01-2006, 01:38 AM
(Derail) In the end, Rap still sucks.



Mods can delete this post if they want. :D

Space Farm
05-01-2006, 01:53 AM
He can't keep time for shit, either.

To be honest, a lot of Metallica solos aren't that difficult. I can nearly play some of them and I've been playing less than a year. They're not exactly the best example of extreme technicality, and to be honest, metal as a whole isn't the best genre to use for that purpose. Go get some jazz fusion stuff and then you'll see some incredible talent.

It does take more than the average Green Day song, though, I can tell you that.

Aye, Metallica's solos aren't hard at all - Kirk is quite overrated.

Que-Ever
05-01-2006, 01:57 AM
I'm afraid you can't just tear up and burn this post simply with examples of bands such as Metallica. I see your point. But you're forgetting that Dog-- was not talking about Metallica specifically, but was in fact describing how he finds the metal genre in general. And in general, some might say that the metal genre more closely resembles what was described than what might be considered good metal. I tell you, good metal exists, in my opinion. But proportionally, it is dwarfed by a whole horde of absolute rubbish. Bear in mind that I hold such an opinion for just about every musical genre. You can't say any is completely bad, or completely good.
most sensible post in the entire thread, I think. I completely agree, no moatter how much I like metal (or what I've heard) and the same goes for, say, emo. emo today seems to just me sadder metal, with a bunch of bloody conformists performing. eurgh. Anyway, kudos for aspe.

Kouler
05-01-2006, 05:58 AM
I'm afraid you can't just tear up and burn this post simply with examples of bands such as Metallica. I see your point. But you're forgetting that Dog-- was not talking about Metallica specifically, but was in fact describing how he finds the metal genre in general. And in general, some might say that the metal genre more closely resembles what was described than what might be considered good metal. I tell you, good metal exists, in my opinion. But proportionally, it is dwarfed by a whole horde of absolute rubbish. Bear in mind that I hold such an opinion for just about every musical genre. You can't say any is completely bad, or completely good.

I see what you're saying, but I can give many more examples of bands, such as the said Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Pantera and many many more.

Top Secret
05-01-2006, 09:02 AM
Technical Metal for the win.

gick
05-01-2006, 10:50 AM
I prefer Punk, but I still love a bit of the ol' Pantera, Maiden, Lamb of God, Metallica and In Flames from time to time.

Greatgat
05-01-2006, 10:52 AM
Those who pay attention, know I listen to techno almost exclusively. There are some metal/hardcore/does screamo count? songs that I like, but generally? Metal? More like mehtal.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!! I should be a critic!

Steven
05-01-2006, 11:31 AM
I hate rap and metal if you disagree with me then you suck and everyone hates you.

sea
05-01-2006, 03:05 PM
Aye, Metallica's solos aren't hard at all - Kirk is quite overrated.Most definitely. He is a very good guitarist, but when I hear people saying he's one of the top ten guitarists in the world, I want to put their eyes out with knitting needles. I'm also one who doesn't think you can measure someone's talent based solely on how fast they can play. That's not to say that playing quickly isn't hard, but it takes more than picking out 32nd notes to be a virtuoso.

I'll give Kirk the benefit of the doubt, though, because in interviews he has stated he is interested in music outside of metal, and is a huge Stevie Ray Vaughan fan. What he plays in Metallica is likely only one facet of his ability.

-Psy-
05-01-2006, 04:41 PM
He can't keep time for shit, either.

To be honest, a lot of Metallica solos aren't that difficult.

Indeed, I have been playing for nearly a year and am just starting to learn their Solos and aren't find it to difficult

mortiz
05-01-2006, 06:31 PM
Also as for the screaming thing, well, screaming is actually really difficult to do; I'm not talking about girly screaming either, I'm talking about a powerful falsetto scream. Listen to singers like Bruce Dickinson or Rob Halford, they could rip to pieces in terms of what they can do with their voice most people you care to mention across any genre.

Trendkill
05-01-2006, 09:47 PM
Michael from Opeth has amazing growls but he can also do great soft vocals. As for guitar check out Nevermore or Necrophagist, Those two guys are amazing. Anyways, saying theres no talent or emotion in metal is completely wrong. Metal gets the worst stereotypes.

As for metallica. Good band. They are overrated though and aren't the most technical. but thats not always a bad thing.

sea
06-01-2006, 02:05 AM
Also as for the screaming thing, well, screaming is actually really difficult to do; I'm not talking about girly screaming either, I'm talking about a powerful falsetto scream. Listen to singers like Bruce Dickinson or Rob Halford, they could rip to pieces in terms of what they can do with their voice most people you care to mention across any genre.I wouldn't call soaring operatic vocals "screams," but it is indeed very difficult to sing that well. Just listen to the song Victim of Changes from Judas Priest's Sad Wings of Destiny album. One of the best vocal performances in metal, ever. The self-titled song off of the Painkiller album is also pretty intense, vocal-wise.

mortiz
06-01-2006, 03:33 AM
I wouldn't call soaring operatic vocals "screams," but it is indeed very difficult to sing that well. Just listen to the song Victim of Changes from Judas Priest's Sad Wings of Destiny album. One of the best vocal performances in metal, ever. The self-titled song off of the Painkiller album is also pretty intense, vocal-wise.

Bruce and Rob are known for their screams. I went to see Iron Maiden in the summer at Leeds and Bruce did some great screams during Remember Tomorrow. As for Rob Halford he does a magnificent scream at the end of "Tyrant".

Growls and Screams are at opposite ends of the vocal ranges, with Growls you go very low with Screams you go very high. A scream stretches the vocal chords of a singer to maximum; it'd be very difficult to sing like that. Most Death Metal and Black Metal vocalists stick to the growls, unfortunately if you don't do it right growling can damage your voice box, easily, so most Death and Black Metal vocalists develop Operatic methods for controlling air flow through their vocal chords.

sea
06-01-2006, 05:12 AM
Screams I tend to associate more with higher-pitch "distorted" vocals such as most black metal vocals and some high-register vocals such as Children of Bodom's. I don't consider what Halford and Dickinson do to be screaming, because it's quite controlled, and still has a very melodic aspect to it.

I know about death growling as well; I can perform them well enough, though it does take quite a bit of air to stop them from being painful after more than a few minutes. Of course, I don't get much practice at it since I'm not in a band or anything. It's much harder than people think, though. It took me several months to become proficient at it, and even then I'm not fantastic at all.

And now we're getting really off topic.

monkk
07-01-2006, 11:50 PM
I haven't read any of the replies, so I am sorry if this has already been covered, but...

If you don't like metal, it just means you haven't developed an appreciation for it. It's not good or bad, it's just how it is. I don't like opera, but that doesn't mean opera sucks, because if it were completely devoid of any intrinsic value, it wouldn't have been around for so long and attended by so many. So it is more accurate for me to say, for example, "I do not like country music" than to say, "country music sucks." Music is art, and art is very subjective. As such, it is up to each individual to decide which music he or she likes or dislikes. But to try using one's lack of appreciation for a particular art form as a common bond with others seems a silly waste of time. All it will do is annoy those who understand that metal kicks ass. ^_^

Fliko
17-01-2006, 12:30 AM
Metal ain't good. My opinion.
Alt. Rock FTW!
and Melodic.

Tantalus
26-01-2006, 09:02 PM
I don't like all Metal, just progressive, such as Dream Theater and Savatage.


I think metal is an acquired taste, like wine, or soccer.

southpaw5253
11-02-2006, 06:14 AM
^^^^^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^^

Ravioli
13-02-2006, 08:17 PM
I love music. I love Metal and Rock. I love Death Metal. I love alot of metal.

However, I'm not one-sided like some other people. I love cambodian and pop music. I love tribal rhythms. I love indian music. I also like J-Pop and J-Rock.

My first style of music I've ever liked has always been Metal and Rock. I can't stand it when people hate a certain style of music. You don't need to like the music, but you should appreciate other styles of music.

I don't like to say metal owns all. Because that is also one-sided.



So, may I ask you. What genre of music do you like? I'm not gonna bash it like you would, if I don't like it. I'll appreciate the music you would like. You can have you own opinions, just don't freakin bash it. You should really learn to keep your hateful opinions to yourself. Only people like you masturbate over the fact that they hate it so much, they squirm in their pants once they post a bashing message on the internet, which means they get a buzz once telling people how much they hate something. Buzz=Masturbate. Its until someone will hopefully give you an insight to stop been a stupid prick, and bashing someones favourite genre.

Dude, at least just say you hate it. I don't care. Just don't bash it so hard, as well as the metalheads.



Thats exaly what i feel like, how can you hate a type of music? Hate is a strong word, dislike is a better word! Here is a thread i made a long time ago about Rap, i talk alot about the music being "hated" etc

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97563&highlight=Gangsta

In school, these two guys talked about something, i didnt hear what it was but one of them said "dont you just hate...balbal" (didnt hear) and the other guy said "i dont hate"

joule
13-02-2006, 08:45 PM
More than "Meh." less than "I LOVE METAL! <3".

3ssence
14-02-2006, 03:52 PM
I don't stick to any particular genre personally, my tastes range from ray charles - kanye west - joe satriani - metallica etc...

A few bands that i have to come to like recently are:

Nightwish
Sonata Arctica
Dragonforce

All good stuff. I respect artists of all genres which have real talent.