Man, Life Sentance, Set two Bins on Fire

[Solaris]

An 18-year-old man has been given a life sentence for setting two bins on fire in north Devon.
Although only causing a few pounds damage, Christopher Brown was given an indeterminate sentence after he threatened to commit more crimes if he was released.
BBC News asks how such a seemingly minor offence can have such a grave consequence.
What does indeterminate sentencing mean?
The new power was instituted as part of so-called public protections measures in the Criminal Justice Act 2003 and has been used since April, 2005.
In addition to being able to extend licence time for other crimes, judges were given the power to set indeterminate sentences.
Under this sentence, a minimum tariff for incarceration is handed down but the defendant must satisfy the authorities that he or she is fit for release and does not pose any threat to the community.
Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4536358.stm)

I'm just glad he's behind bars, I couldn't sleep at night knowing a monster like that is on the loose.

[Blackghost905]

lol, I don't think I could eat knowing this killer was on the loose!

[ChiChi]

Whoever convicted him should be shot for being such and idiot.

[Sulkdodds]

It'll be one of them crazy judges. Since there's utterly no regulatory systems for them there's a number of judges all around this country who consistently give our ridiculous sentences (child molester, eh? Rape, you say? Let him go free and don't waste my time with this piffle!). Some of them have given over 60 stupid sentences that have later gone to the court of appeal, and no action whatsoever has been taken. Because none can be. :hmph:

[kirovman]

Brown must serve at least 18 months and show he is no serious risk to people before he is eligible for parole.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4535132.stm

Although getting a life setence for that is pretty ridiculous. However, looked like this homeless guy was looking for a jail term:
Peter Ashman, defending, said: "My client is looking for a sentence which is as long as possible. He cannot countenance living in the community at all

[satch919]

I say let him go...................only after he's gotten the crap beat out of him. Damn whipper-snappers!

[short recoil]

I say execute him with a revolver to the back of the neck.
It seems as if his life is pointless anyway.

[baxter]

For gods sake why don't you post the entire story?

Brown must serve at least 18 months and show he is no serious risk to people before he is eligible for parole.

The court heard that Brown, who admitted the offence, told social workers he intended to commit very serious offences when let out.

Peter Ashman, defending, said: "My client is looking for a sentence which is as long as possible. He cannot countenance living in the community at all.

"It is a very sad picture and one can only hope that in time he may change his views."



OHHHHHHHHHHHHH nasty old Britian and the free world, keep knocking it pal.

Old gits comment "You don't know how lucky you are "

[el Chi]

Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4536358.stm)

I'm just glad he's behind bars, I couldn't sleep at night knowing a monster like that is on the loose.

[/SIZE]
I believe that's the best thing I've ever seen you say :)

My client is looking for a sentence which is as long as possible.Hooray! It looks like you got what you wanted!

[baxter]

Hey Solaris here's to you.

So what's your call pal? This guy has threatened to commit serious crimes if released, so what would you do?

By your postings you are clearly implying state oppression, so come on then give everybody a solution.

Here you go.......you are the social worker who makes the decisions, this guy has done his eighteen months, he clearly has not stepped down form his position that he is going to commit serious crimes......so what’s your call ?

Keep him banged up or as you seem to favour let him out?

As a person of conscious are you prepared to let him roam the streets, maybe commit unspeakable acts?

Or maybe better. Just like you said "keep him locked away and sleep better in your bed"?

So what’s your calling?

[Flyingdebris]

well seems like the bum is looking for an excuse to go to jail so he doesn't live on the streets. I mean who else would threaten to commit more crimes if he got out?

on one hand he ends up living off tax dollars, on another, he's living with criminals but he's off the streets and has a roof over his head.

[Feath]

Hmm, you can almost make a coherant sentence out of this thread title. Almost, but not quite.

[riomhaire]

he threatened to commit more crimes if he was released.
I see no problems with a life sentance in that case.

[Solaris]

Oh Noes, if he is released he will burn more bins!!
Seriously, give the guy a job at an incinerator.

[kirovman]

Oh Noes, if he is released he will burn more bins!!
Seriously, give the guy a job at an incinerator.

I think they have incinerators in jail.

[Solaris]

I think they have incinerators in jail.
Where they burn the sin?

[kirovman]

It's where they secretly cremate the criminals that everyone has forgotten about.

[15357]

Thats interesting. And space-efficient as well.

[Angry Lawyer]

They also use the cremation to provide power for the local electricity grid. Energy efficient, too. And cremated criminals make great compost, too.

-Angry Lawyer

[15357]

compost?

*looks up dictionary* :o

The selling of these criminal-composts could fund the prison, too. Every prison should have a incinerator to burn criminals in. :p

[Angry Lawyer]

Sadly, license-plate manufacture earns more money, so people don't burn prisoners often enough.

Anybody have the horrible feeling that one day Solaris is going to blow someone/something/himself up?

-Angry Lawyer

[Beerdude26]

Anybody have the horrible feeling that one day Solaris is going to blow someone/something/himself up?

-Angry LawyerWhere did you get that idea :laugh:

[kirovman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4536358.stm

Q&A: Indeterminate sentences
An 18-year-old man has been given a life sentence for setting two bins on fire in north Devon.

Although only causing a few pounds damage, Christopher Brown was given an indeterminate sentence after he threatened to commit more crimes if he was released.

BBC News asks how such a seemingly minor offence can have such a grave consequence.

What does indeterminate sentencing mean?

The new power was instituted as part of so-called public protections measures in the Criminal Justice Act 2003 and has been used since April, 2005.

In addition to being able to extend licence time for other crimes, judges were given the power to set indeterminate sentences.

Under this sentence, a minimum tariff for incarceration is handed down but the defendant must satisfy the authorities that he or she is fit for release and does not pose any threat to the community.

Why was the power introduced?

The new sentence means that individuals considered to be a threat can be locked up even if their specific crime was not particularly serious.

Although Brown set fire to two wheelie bins, the offence he was charged with, arson, carries a maximum life sentence.

The new powers are triggered if this is the case. Because Brown said he was likely to commit more crime, the judge assessed he was a threat to the public.

Does indeterminate effectively mean life behind bars?

Not necessarily.

Should the defendant no longer be considered to pose a threat to the public, then he will be released.

But he faces life on licence meaning that, potentially, his movements will be subject to variety of conditions.

Critics have dubbed these licensing conditions as "super ASBOs" (Anti Social Behaviour Orders).

What rights do defendants have?

They can appeal being on licence every 10 years and also have the usual routes of appeal. But they will serve the minimum tariff.

What do the prison reform lobby think?

There are concerns that vulnerable people who need help may find themselves locked up for years despite having not committed serious crimes.

Tough licence conditions could see defendants going back to jail after release.

Critics also fear spells in jail may make vulnerable cases even worse, where they become a potentially bigger threat to the public should they be released.

super-ASBOs :O

[Teh Pwned]

Where they burn the sin?

He can operate the incinerators... IN HELL!!

Damn judges, I've never really taking a liking to the law.

[Solaris]

Sadly, license-plate manufacture earns more money, so people don't burn prisoners often enough.

Anybody have the horrible feeling that one day Solaris is going to blow someone/something/himself up?

-Angry Lawyer

WHO TOLD YO... I mean.... whatever are you talking about. I support non violence.

[ComradeBadger]

Yet you run a mod called Irish Resistance :|

[15357]

Yet you run a mod called Irish Resistance :|

Civil Resistance, perhaps? :p

[Fliko]

Thats what you get when you get 'em judges to use their head.

[Jintor]

I am a judge.

That's what I would say if I was a judge.

Yeah.

*snorts*

Anyway, that's a stupid sentance. Is jail the cheapest accommodation you can find?

[Sulkdodds]

I am a judge.

That's what I would say if I was a judge.


I AM THE LAW

[<RJMC>]

whats a bin?

[Sulkdodds]

Haha, that has to be one of the better things you've said. Come on, admit it, you're a fake just like Supertrooper. :laugh:

[Llama]

whats a bin?:|

A message board with 10,000 + people.

[TheSomeone]

For gods sake why don't you post the entire story?



OHHHHHHHHHHHHH nasty old Britian and the free world, keep knocking it pal.

Old gits comment "You don't know how lucky you are "

So it makes it okay to sentence him for a crime he hasn't yet commited and we're not even sure he will?

[RakuraiTenjin]

whats a bin?
The son of someone in Arabic. This man is clearly a racist murderer.