Bird Flu Could Be The Deadliest Disaster The World Will Face

[No Limit]

The question is do you trust Bush, who has failed miserably in everything he has tried, to handle this if an outbreak occured in the US?

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/003200510051101.htm

Be honest here people, your family's life could be on the line.

[Raziaar]

the main thing here, is that scientists get enough funding, and can develop, and then create enough vaccine for as many people as possible. Most of this falls outside the power of bush.

But... from what was said in that article, looks like he's doing the very mature thing.



I was listening to some experts talk about this a few days ago, and they were going on about how many people this thing could possibly kill, if we weren't prepared for it. A couple billion people perhaps throughout the world, and mainly those in the more developed countries.


The main thing here No Limit, is that this is dealt with before any outbreak could occur. Vaccines, with the ability to be distributed to as many people as possible. If an outbreak did occur, and we weren't prepared(which bush seems to be trying to get people prepared), there won't be any help for those who are sick. They would day in just a couple days.

[Eg.]

SARS, west nile, what will eventually get us.

[CptStern]

SARS, west nile, what will eventually get us

fall out from nukes detonated over what was once washington, North Korea, Iran and China ...either that or a massive outbreak of Trichomoniasis

[No Limit]

the main thing here, is that scientists get enough funding, and can develop, and then create enough vaccine for as many people as possible. Most of this falls outside the power of bush.

But... from what was said in that article, looks like he's doing the very mature thing.

But you are kind of missing my point. Do you actually trust Bush in doing all he can in this situation? Can you show me one example of Bush not failing in anything he has done?

Yes, I was actually shocked that Bush was even aware of this when I saw the article while looking for information for this but I am still not convinced that with his track record he would do anything thats effective.

You have to understand, this could spread as early as this year; flu season isn't even here yet and there have already been human infections. I am still reading up on this but it seems like it could destroy the human race if a large outbreak did occur.

[short recoil]

I don't trust bush, or anyone else for that matter.
however i do trust my s10 respirator, NBC suits, canned food, bottled water and of course my survival skills.

If you rely on other people then you are not in control.

[No Limit]

I don't trust bush, or anyone else for that matter.
however i do trust my s10 respirator, NBC suits, canned food, bottled water and of course my survival skills.

If you rely on other people then you are not in control.
your survival skills wouldn't mean much if everyone around you was wiped out.

[Raziaar]

But you are kind of missing my point. Do you actually trust Bush in doing all he can in this situation? Can you show me one example of Bush not failing in anything he has done?

Yes, I was actually shocked that Bush was even aware of this when I saw the article while looking for information for this but I am still not convinced that with his track record he would do anything thats effective.

You have to understand, this could spread as early as this year; flu season isn't even here yet and there have already been human infections. I am still reading up on this but it seems like it could destroy the human race if a large outbreak did occur.



What YOU have to understand, is that there is very little that bush himself can actually do. He can warn people about it, and he can provide additional funding to all the scientists that are working to develop vaccines and or cures for the virus. There's not much else he can do, in a more direct role. And from what I have already heard, he's already doing much of what he can do. Now he needs to make sure scientists get more funding.

[Gray Fox]

I don't know, I don't trust panicking about all these deseases that much.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=thailand

[No Limit]

What YOU have to understand, is that there is very little that bush himself can actually do. He can warn people about it, and he can provide additional funding to all the scientists that are working to develop vaccines and or cures for the virus. There's not much else he can do, in a more direct role. And from what I have already heard, he's already doing much of what he can do. Now he needs to make sure scientists get more funding.
And where is that funding going to come from? 200 billion for Iraq, another 200 billion for New Orleans, because of his spending we are broke. Now, are you going to point out an example of Bush not being a total failure in anything he has tried? Because when I look back at his life, in business and in politics, he has failed at everything.

[Raziaar]

I don't know, I don't trust panicking about all these deseases that much.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=thailand


Well except this disease... you have just about a zero chance of living unless you're lucky. Currently the virus cannot really spread around to other human hosts, as it kills its victims far too fast to do so... but if the strand should mutate, we might face that very real possibility.

SARs wasn't that big of a deal... but this could be huge.



And where is that funding going to come from? 200 billion for Iraq, another 200 billion for New Orleans, because of his spending we are broke. Now, are you going to point out an example of Bush not being a total failure in anything he has tried? Because when I look back at his life, in business and in politics, he has failed at everything.

Then kick him out of office, you lazy ass. Quit whining about it here where it does no good.

[DeusExMachina]

How exactly would someone catch this?

[Raziaar]

How exactly would someone catch this?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1

[No Limit]

Then kick him out of office, you lazy ass. Quit whining about it here where it does no good.
you get really defensive when you can't address a point. So you can't name one example were Bush succeeded in anything?

[Raziaar]

you get really defensive when you can't address a point. So you can't name one example were Bush succeeded in anything?

He succeeded in getting elected. Twice. Now, back on topic with ya, mister.

[No Limit]

He succeeded in getting elected. Twice. Now, back on topic with ya, mister.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'll leave it at that. Just know, you can't name one thing in all of his life he succeeded in and yet you are trying to tell me Bush could be a competent leader of our country in a time of such crisis.

[Lemonking]

mhm...I hope for you No Limit that Hillary will a good job as a President.....If not
Im gonna be on the other side of the fence :D

[Kmack]

AHHH SARS I HAVE SARS WE"RE ALL GOING TO DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

im young, strong, and healthy ill leave the dying to the elderly, infant, and weak. frankly what the world needs is a little "thinning out the herd" and since we dont get eaten by much this will have to do.

frankly im looking forward to watching this unfold, I love a good epidemic, should be entertaining for a while. though i bet this is mostly hype

[Pesmerga]

But you are kind of missing my point. Do you actually trust Bush in doing all he can in this situation? Can you show me one example of Bush not failing in anything he has done?


Does it MATTER? Impeach the ****er if you deem it nessecary. All you are doing here is inciting more Bush hate.

He is what he is, and convincing the forums of a Half-Life 2 site that Bush is a miserable failure won't change anything.

No one is going to grow up in time to do anything about it, so ****ing deal with it or load up a Dragunov and take the guy out if it's that important to you. Shit, maybe you should concentrate more on what we should look out for in the future rather than whining like any other Bush hating democrat out there, complaining that he's ruining our country, like God is going to overhear the multitude and pluck him out of office.

All I ever see you doing in these forums is talk about why Bush is such a horrible president and that our country is crumbling to peices because of it.

Tough shit, cry baby, get into Congress and do something about it. And by the way, it's not too creative an argument if all you've got is cons.

[No Limit]

All I ever see you doing in these forums is talk about why Bush is such a horrible president and that our country is crumbling to peices because of it.

That's funny, because I've never seen you on these forums defending Bush's actions. You can not address things like where we can get more money for scientists when we are already dead broke because of Bush's sepnding yet you seem to imply it is idiotic to think Bush is ruining this country. I'm sorry, the whole just shut up about it ideology isn't going to work with me.

[Icarusintel]

I dunno about you all, but I don't plan on dying from any kind of bird flu, though I'd say it's a damn good thing Bush brought it up so that the American public can at least keep it in mind if people start dropping dead from it, and he's trying to give some reassurance, which is what president's are supposed to do
It's not his job to stop an epidemic though, it's FEMA and the CDC that are supposed to stop the spread of diseases

[Kmack]

All I ever see you doing in these forums is talk about why Bush is such a horrible president and that our country is crumbling to peices because of it.



um...he is a horrible president.

[Pesmerga]

That's funny, because I've never seen you on these forums defending Bush's actions. You can not address things like where we can get more money for scientists when we are already dead broke because of Bush's sepnding yet you seem to imply it is idiotic to think Bush is ruining this country. I'm sorry, the whole just shut up about it ideology isn't going to work with me.

Ok, you missed that entire point, and made huge assumptions.

First off, I didn't say Bush was either a good nor bad president, or his decisions were good nor bad.

I've concluded that you're all just a bunch of ass hugging homosexuals. I make that assumption because all you ever do is assume that I'm some sort of zealous fanatic republican. Or a republican for that matter. I don't give a shit what your opinions are, I'm saying you should stop Font->5000 "Bush is a horrible president, he is really bad, no seriously, he is, he's horrible. Here's some sources, look, they are factual and it's obvious he's ruining us all."

Wow, amazing, that's truly how all political arguments from henceforth should be done. Maybe you can do "Here's this guy, he's going to build a stronger economy by limiting funding to pointless shitty projects. He's going to usher in a new age of biochemical fuel alternatives as well as fund space technologies that might once ensure the survival of humanity for a billion years", instead?

And Kmack, you only reinforce the stupidity apparent in most of you band wagon groupies hoping to earn the respect of someone in virtual position, such as No Limit or CptStern.

um...he is a horrible president.

Here's a quiz, Kmack. Tell me why. From you, personally, tell me why he is such a horrid president.
If you get confused on that one, try naming all 50 states. Or maybe you can do your alphabet by now. What comes after the letter 'A'?

[CptStern]

...you only reinforce the stupidity apparent in most of you band wagon groupies hoping to earn the respect of someone in virtual position, such as No Limit or CptStern.



I am an island ..my opinions exist outside of this realm ..I wish to influence no one ..I leave that to the individual


in other words I dont think people are out to "impress" me. Truth is truth, it will set you free ..I'm just a messenger

"A single moment of understanding can flood a whole life with meaning."




"Girls are like pianos. When they're not upright, they're grand."

[Kmack]

Here's a quiz, Kmack. Tell me why. From you, personally, tell me why he is such a horrid president.
If you get confused on that one, try naming all 50 states. Or maybe you can do your alphabet by now. What comes after the letter 'A'?

? go to a gas station. look at the WMDs from Iraq (fyi you cant...they dont exist), look at ****ing hurricane Katrina, and that shit was 3 weeks ago :laugh:
i dont have time to tell you everything, BUT, if you look at all my topics in recent history, they offer specific examples.

lets look at it from the environmental standpoint, just for ha-has

ahh, here we have quite a find! it seems to be...yes it is! a little bit o' environmental hating from Mr. George Bush since 2000:


Percent drop in federal lawsuits for environmental violations: 75

Percent increase in permits for oil and gas drilling on federal lands: 75

Annual savings to industry from Bush's refusal to mandate lead-paint cleanup: $3,000,000,000(yeah, thats NINE zeros)

Percent decline in federal fines against industrial polluters:60

Years since number of fines has been so low: 14

Percent decline in federal Superfund cleanups of toxic waste: 52

Acres of untouched forests opened to developers: 58,500,000

Endangered species that live in these areas: 220

Species added to the endangered species list by Bush: 31

Acres designated as wilderness by the Bush administration: 530,000

Acres designated by Ronald Reagan: 10,600,000


oh but wait! there is more! why, what happens if an individual state tries to help out the environment? lets read on!

The new fuel-economy standards proposed by the administration in August is not attacking gas-guzzling SUV's, but that other fuel-economy concern, California(please note sarcasm). California has ordered the auto industry to cut carbon-dioxide emmissions by Thirty percent by 2016, with eight other states to follow their example. Unfortunatly, upon flipping to page 150 of Bush's proposed standards, we see that state limits on emissions are "expressly preempted.

that was the fastest thing i could find, thanks for insulting me, but can we stay on topic.

Bird Flu, I think will be mostly hype

[Pesmerga]

? go to a gas station. look at the WMDs from Iraq (fyi you cant...they dont exist), look at ****ing hurricane Katrina, and that shit was 3 weeks ago :laugh:
i dont have time to tell you everything, BUT, if you look at all my topics in recent history, they offer specific examples.

lets look at it from the environmental standpoint, just for ha-has

Oooh, so Katrina was Bush's fault.

I see Poseidon holds a grudge against the guy, huh?

And no, I don't think I'll bother the time to look at your topics, because you won't give me the time to explain your words.

There's nothing worse than a dishonest man, dishonest to not only others, but to himself.

Edit - Catching your edit, alright, good, you serve up some good points. At least you can back yourself up.

To repeat myself, I didn't say the guy was a good president. But if the only argument you can chuck up against a president is "he sucks" I'm quite worried about future candidates.

Back on topic... hell, this is the topic. All we're doing is arguing the paradoxal assessment of presidential abilities and throwing in "humanity dangerous virus" to catch attention.

[Kmack]

Oooh, so Katrina was Bush's fault.

he actual took the blame for the federal governments failures (which shocked me), so yes, according to Bush, the governments response to the hurricane was his fault. it was all over the news, cnn.com ranit as a headline when he took the blame, there is even a whole thread about it.

i think that he cant handle the bird flu disaster based purely on the response to katrina. an epidemic is a MUCH harder thing to face than a hurricane. but again i think its hype

[Pesmerga]

I didn't say the reponse wasn't, I meant to imply he somehow magically swept the hurricane into being in the first place :P

[Flyingdebris]

i don't think it matter's who the president is if this bird flu thing gets contagious. The powers at be are going to attempt what is necessary to protect as many people as possible. Whether they are sucessful in that endeavor, well, we'll have to wait and see won't we?

My only wish is that bird flu causes zombies, then things would go from dreary to awesome

[short recoil]

My only wish is that bird flu causes zombies, then things would go from dreary to awesome
You'd find it would create a situation like that anway.
If large amounts of people panic, infrastructure breaks down, people are trying to horde supplies whilst they stop coming in.
Basically you would have massive groups of people after something and being extremely violent.

You'd have to board up those windows to stop people looting you.....

take the recent example of hurricane katrina, across a whole country and then no outside leadership or help like with the hurricane.
It'd be a pretty ****ed up place.

[No Limit]

Ok, you missed that entire point, and made huge assumptions.

First off, I didn't say Bush was either a good nor bad president, or his decisions were good nor bad.

I've concluded that you're all just a bunch of ass hugging homosexuals. I make that assumption because all you ever do is assume that I'm some sort of zealous fanatic republican. Or a republican for that matter. I don't give a shit what your opinions are, I'm saying you should stop Font->5000 "Bush is a horrible president, he is really bad, no seriously, he is, he's horrible. Here's some sources, look, they are factual and it's obvious he's ruining us all."

Wow, amazing, that's truly how all political arguments from henceforth should be done. Maybe you can do "Here's this guy, he's going to build a stronger economy by limiting funding to pointless shitty projects. He's going to usher in a new age of biochemical fuel alternatives as well as fund space technologies that might once ensure the survival of humanity for a billion years", instead?

And Kmack, you only reinforce the stupidity apparent in most of you band wagon groupies hoping to earn the respect of someone in virtual position, such as No Limit or CptStern.



Here's a quiz, Kmack. Tell me why. From you, personally, tell me why he is such a horrid president.
If you get confused on that one, try naming all 50 states. Or maybe you can do your alphabet by now. What comes after the letter 'A'?
You know what you problem is? You do what many on this board do. You will not participate in any of my discussions then you come in to a random thread out of the blue and post how idiotic you think my statements are. The problem is when I do put up facts you are no where to be seen. I already made one point on how Bush is ruining this country (look at spending in my reply to you), yet you completely skipped over that and said I need to post facts. Then you try to change the topic by attacking everyone you don't agree with and hope they will get distracted and reply to your idiotic rant. If you are going to participate in political discussions on this board please feel free, if you are instead going to call out people on a random basis do us all a favor and get the **** out. Deal?

[The Mullinator]

I am pretty certain the US has several plans that can be put into place under a moments notice if such an outbreak occurs. All Bush would have to do is basically say "implement this plan". Even during an outbreak I suspect there is little that the president can or really would do aside from that.

[CptStern]

I am pretty certain the US has several plans that can be put into place under a moments notice if such an outbreak occurs. All Bush would have to do is basically say "implement this plan". Even during an outbreak I suspect there is little that the president can or really would do aside from that.



heheh sorry but I cant help myself:


"Emergency Plan in case of Epidemic:

1. Move rich to underground bunkers

2. Wait

[short recoil]

heheh sorry but I cant help myself:


"Emergency Plan in case of Epidemic:

1. Move rich to underground bunkers

2. Wait
LOL!

Quite sadly that is usually one of the first things on emergency plans.
However there is some logic to it, to keep leadership alive....
To be honest i think we'd all prefer a "fresh start"

[T.H.C.138]

first truly responsible thing Bush has done..not that it helps any..(Bush takes responsibilty)

when did bush gain powers far beyond mortal ken?

storms do his bidding...and now diseases?!?

I surrender...

[Pesmerga]

You know what you problem is? You do what many on this board do. You will not participate in any of my discussions then you come in to a random thread out of the blue and post how idiotic you think my statements are. The problem is when I do put up facts you are no where to be seen. I already made one point on how Bush is ruining this country (look at spending in my reply to you), yet you completely skipped over that and said I need to post facts. Then you try to change the topic by attacking everyone you don't agree with and hope they will get distracted and reply to your idiotic rant. If you are going to participate in political discussions on this board please feel free, if you are instead going to call out people on a random basis do us all a favor and get the **** out. Deal?

I didn't say you needed to post facts...? Did I? Am I losing my mind here, or are you losing yours? Yes, yes I am attacking everyone who doesn't agree. Isn't that what you do? Try and convince, gain the power earned from that and advance? But I don't carry a faction around in a leather briefcase, I'm just talking.

Maybe you're just upset that some wanderer can come out of the blue and, gasp, portray his opinion? So I've got to spend worthless hours and spout my worthless opinions to earn my right to speak out?

Ho hum, hold on, I'm having a moment here. That's.... not American!

[CptStern]

LOL!

Quite sadly that is usually one of the first things on emergency plans.
However there is some logic to it, to keep leadership alive....
To be honest i think we'd all prefer a "fresh start"


heh even more poignant now that you've said it ..I think you deserve it

[No Limit]

I didn't say you needed to post facts...? Did I? Am I losing my mind here, or are you losing yours?

I don't know, maybe I didn't sense your sarcasm. You clearly bitched about facts.

Yes, yes I am attacking everyone who doesn't agree. Isn't that what you do? Try and convince, gain the power earned from that and advance? But I don't carry a faction around in a leather briefcase, I'm just talking.

Maybe you're just upset that some wanderer can come out of the blue and, gasp, portray his opinion? So I've got to spend worthless hours and spout my worthless opinions to earn my right to speak out?

Ho hum, hold on, I'm having a moment here. That's.... not American!
Well, you got one thing right, YOUR opinions are worthless.

[Pesmerga]

I don't know, maybe I didn't sense your sarcasm. You clearly bitched about facts.

Well, you got one thing right, YOUR opinions are worthless.

Everyone's opinions are worthless on these forums. This really is just a good way to get good at argueing with children. Congradulations, I hope you feel big because you think you've somehow beaten the forums because no one disagrees with you, and those who do, you've somehow mastered how to get everyone on your side against them.

Oh well, that's politics for you. Good luck with your aspirations.

[G-Dub]

AHHH SARS I HAVE SARS WE"RE ALL GOING TO DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

im young, strong, and healthy ill leave the dying to the elderly, infant, and weak. frankly what the world needs is a little "thinning out the herd" and since we dont get eaten by much this will have to do.

frankly im looking forward to watching this unfold, I love a good epidemic, should be entertaining for a while. though i bet this is mostly hype

with views like those, you deserve to be shot!

[Pesmerga]

im young, strong, and healthy ill leave the dying to the elderly, infant, and weak. frankly what the world needs is a little "thinning out the herd" and since we dont get eaten by much this will have to do.

frankly im looking forward to watching this unfold, I love a good epidemic, should be entertaining for a while. though i bet this is mostly hype

A part of me agrees, natural selection is non-existant in our world today. Ah hell, once we start going to war with Aliens or zombies, we'll all evolve into emotionless hard asses. :|

[Zeus]

with views like those, you deserve to be shot!

agreed 100%...that was a very idiotic statement

[dream431ca]

Bird Flu is going to be one that most people will be scared of for a while..but SARS?? Canada had an outbreak of SARS in the Eastern part of the Country, but it was handled nicely and it was contained in a small area of the Country. So, I would not think that SARS is a big problem..if Canada can handle SARS, the US would have no problem with it..I think they did too when Canada was mildly infected.

But The Bird Flu is much worse.

[Icarusintel]

with views like those, you deserve to be shot!
he's not entirely wrong, perhaps you haven;t noticed that there are almost 7 billion human beings on this earth... and we happen to be destroying it a bit more every day and eating up resources at an incredible rate, honestly, if you step away from the whole "all humans deserve a chance to live" we really do need a bit of thinning out

[Flyingdebris]

correct, unless we find some interesting way to curb wonton population growth or get our asses to mars and beyond, we will very easily overpopulate ourselves down the crapper. Thats why i think think there is a bright side to nature slapping the hubris out of us from time to time, while at the same time recoiling from the horrible loss of life.

[T.H.C.138]

how do you make omelettes again?

we killed some trees to make some desks to write on more dead trees about how we need to protect the trees...

sorry I know I shouldn't post while medicated..but its fun

[Pi Mu Rho]

Well, you got one thing right, YOUR opinions are worthless.


His opinions are exactly as valid as yours. No more, no less.

[Tr0n]

As the age old saying goes...opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Anyways...when I think of the bird flu I don't think of death and destruction...I think of birdies.

[kirovman]

AHHH SARS I HAVE SARS WE"RE ALL GOING TO DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

im young, strong, and healthy ill leave the dying to the elderly, infant, and weak. frankly what the world needs is a little "thinning out the herd" and since we dont get eaten by much this will have to do.

frankly im looking forward to watching this unfold, I love a good epidemic, should be entertaining for a while. though i bet this is mostly hype

Young, Strong and Healthy is not a guarantee that you will survive the epidemic. A lot of good healthed people died from SARS.

One of the biggest killers in epidemics like SARS is actually an overreaction of the immune system.

[No Limit]

His opinions are exactly as valid as yours. No more, no less.
Yeah no kidding. The problem is that he comes in to this thread and attacks me personally with his 'opinion'. Like I said, I don't have any problems with opinions, if I think your opinion is wrong I will discuss it with you. But when you come in to a random thread, spew some off topic personal attacks. and never actually paticipate in other political discussions you opinions in that case are not valid.

[Teta_Bonita]

he's not entirely wrong, perhaps you haven;t noticed that there are almost 7 billion human beings on this earth... and we happen to be destroying it a bit more every day and eating up resources at an incredible rate, honestly, if you step away from the whole "all humans deserve a chance to live" we really do need a bit of thinning out
Thinning out? Sure, we'll start with you then. :thumbs:

[mortiz]

Great, another way to die.

I've had my fill of fear mongering bullshit for one lifetime. I was reading on the BBC website the other day that some supposed "expert" on bird flu expected at least 5 million to die in the U.K. alone.

My reaction: bleh.

[Icarusintel]

Thinning out? Sure, we'll start with you then. :thumbs:
everyone's gotta die someday, might as well be today since.... IT'S A GOOD DAY TO DIE! ... ... ...:cat:

[Flyingdebris]

couldn't they think of a better name for the disease?

ebola, marburg, hantavirus, HIV, SARS, these are all scary names that suit what they are describing nicely. I mean jeez, hantavirus, that sounds really goddamn scary.

but to die of "bird flu?"

lamest virus name EVER

[koondrad]

I think a few too many people have been caught up in 'silly season'. :rolleyes: There's no politics news because they're off for the summer, so the media has to do a load of filler reports. If you think that news networks are there to bring you news you'd be mistaken. Like many people in this world, they are driven by money are businesses like any other.

So don't start worrying yourselves. You'll face greater danger in a car, or crossing the road.





Look both ways,
koondrad

[Icarusintel]

So don't start worrying yourselves. You'll face greater danger in a car, or crossing the road.

Look both ways,
koondrad
I like to live dangerously - I only look one way, I just blindly step into the other lane and hope for the best

[Flyingdebris]

yeah thats how us X-TREME people live.

and when there's a storm, i hold up a tall metal antenna wherever i go

when i'm driving i make sure to smear vaseline all over the windshield to give it an extra difficulty

and when i'm sleepy, i lie down on train tracks

[koondrad]

and when i'm sleepy, i lie down on train tracks
LOL, but real men don't get sleepy. :borg:

[gh0st]

o NOES!!1 teh burd fluez!

/fear mongering

[Last One In]

Shit, I won't be able to eat my healthy oatmeal and egg cakes if all the chickens are put to the incenerator; I will have to resort to another source of less quality protein, like tuna.