CHavez says he has proof the US is planning to invade Venezuela [Archive]

CptStern

17-09-2005, 02:42 PM

Chavez: US plans to invade (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169658,00.html)

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (search) said Friday he has documentary evidence that the United States plans to invade his country.

Chavez, interviewed on ABC's "Nightline," said the plan is called "Balboa" and involves aircraft carriers and planes. A transcript of the interview was made available by "Nightline."

Solaris

17-09-2005, 02:47 PM

Hmm, I wouldnt put it past them.

Kmack

17-09-2005, 02:54 PM

im gonna file this under "things the administration doesnt need right now", so basically I hope it is true and takes the limelight, I mean if anyone can handle crisis its Bushy here, as long as it doesn't interrupt a vacation...

Raziaar

17-09-2005, 04:42 PM

I don't see any proof? I see suspicion.

Besides, at this point in time, invasion seems so unrealistic a prospect. First we're gonna invade Iran, now we're gonna invade Venezuela, next we're invading Canada and Mexico!

Not to mention the citizen base would never stand for it. I don't want anymore wars.

Sulkdodds

17-09-2005, 07:03 PM

Sounds to me like Mr. Chavez is trying to blackmail the US into giving stuff to his country to avoid a massive media smear, whether it's true or not. It seems an unlikely plan, but not impossible. :eek:

"We will be ready." :laugh:

KoreBolteR

17-09-2005, 07:04 PM

chavez is a tyranic ass

Icarusintel

17-09-2005, 07:08 PM

Chavez is stupid, this is a damn publicity stunt, and I hope to God he doesn;t get anything out of it... besides, there's no reason to invade, I have a feeling on of his own people will off him

KoreBolteR

17-09-2005, 07:13 PM

chavez is scum, he offered help for katrina just to pretend to be 'nice'

hes a wanker

Sulkdodds

17-09-2005, 07:15 PM

He probably just wants attention. :D

Korgoth

17-09-2005, 07:16 PM

Chavez makes delicious grilled cheese!

clarky003

17-09-2005, 07:16 PM

chavez is scum, he offered help for katrina just to pretend to be 'nice'

hes a wanker

I thought he seriously offered aid, the government just rejected it. I dont know the guy, but you must of met him if you know hes a wanker.

Cole

17-09-2005, 07:26 PM

Well...if he wants us to invade..... well maybe later....we have more important tasks at hand....like Bush going to the bathroom and Bush trying to figure out where Osama Bin Laden is by blindfolding himself, and throwing a dart on a map to invade and check.

Hapless

17-09-2005, 07:37 PM

jverne

18-09-2005, 12:14 AM

emm...isn't venezuela one of the largest oil suppliers in the world?

Bob_Marley

18-09-2005, 12:44 AM

emm...isn't venezuela one of the largest oil suppliers in the world?
That may, very well be the reason behind this.

but whatever, it's unlikly that the US will invade another country in the near future as they've got to clear up the messes they made in Afgahnistan and Iraq first and also it looks like any money that may have been ear marked for invading Iran/Venezuela/France will get used in the rebuilding of the areas affected by hurricane Katrina.

Hapless

18-09-2005, 01:31 AM

That may, very well be the reason behind this.

but whatever, it's unlikly that the US will invade another country in the near future as they've got to clear up the messes they made in Afgahnistan and Iraq first and also it looks like any money that may have been ear marked for invading Iran/Venezuela/France will get used in the rebuilding of the areas affected by hurricane Katrina.

How did you know about France?? Damn leakers.

Absinthe

18-09-2005, 01:49 AM

I read top-secret official documents claiming that America has plans for invading itself.

True story.

Lemonking

18-09-2005, 01:55 AM

nah Bush aint that dumb

Hapless

18-09-2005, 02:01 AM

I read top-secret official documents claiming that America has plans for invading itself.

True story.

Can't ANYBODY keep a secret, FFS???!!!

jondy

18-09-2005, 02:04 AM

I didn't read top-secret official documents claiming that America doesn't have plans for invading anywhere at all.

True story.

Shush.

Lemonking

18-09-2005, 04:03 AM

Chavez is a nut,the US wont do dudu

CptStern

18-09-2005, 04:28 AM

venezuela ...home to the third largest producers of oil in the world ...guess what country is #2? Iraq ..guess which country is #1? Saudi Arabia ...ya I can see how there's no reason for invading ..oh and the US has been involved in south/central america for over 50 years ...niceragua, panama, el salvador, honduras etc etc etc

lemonking
Korebolter
Icarusintel

the 3 of you seem so convinced that Chavez is public enemy #1, a menace to society and scum that should be killed .......can you list your reasons please?

staticprimer

18-09-2005, 04:34 AM

Well its obvious isn't it? He is socialist and anti-big business. Anyone with those traits should be killed, right? :upstare:

Lemonking

18-09-2005, 05:09 AM

I never said that you >insert word here<,I said he was a nut

jesus christ man, The US doesnt even have the resources to Invade a other country

They wont

15357

18-09-2005, 05:09 AM

Well its obvious isn't it? He is socialist and anti-big business. Anyone with those traits should be killed, right? :upstare:

err, nooo..........

I say that the US should invade venezuela because I'm bored. :p

DreadLord

18-09-2005, 06:46 AM

Only real reason to invade would be to put <RJMC> out of his misery...

Icarusintel

18-09-2005, 06:54 AM

the 3 of you seem so convinced that Chavez is public enemy #1, a menace to society and scum that should be killed .......can you list your reasons please?
wow, i didn't say any such thing, I said he was crazy for thinking we'd invade his country and that I personally think the whole thing is a publicity stunt... he's not public enemy #1, he's not even a blip on the radar, but he wants to be, which is why he's pulling this shit... i wouldn;t be surprised if he starts committing human rights atrocities if this stunt doesn;t work

CptStern

18-09-2005, 07:15 AM

wow, i didn't say any such thing, I said he was crazy for thinking we'd invade his country and that I personally think the whole thing is a publicity stunt... he's not public enemy #1, he's not even a blip on the radar, but he wants to be, which is why he's pulling this shit...

I was being tongue in cheek ..I didnt literally mean public enemy #1 ..that's osama isnt it? just trying to understand why you dislike him

i wouldn;t be surprised if he starts committing human rights atrocities if this stunt doesn;t work

hmmm so if venezuela does get invaded he'll kill a whack of innocent people? ...or is it: if they dont invade he'll kill a whole whack of people? ..a little silly dont you think?

but I'm looking for more concrete evidence of why you think he's stupid ..I mean he says he has documented proof ..what if it turns out to be right? what possible justification could lead to an invasion?

Icarusintel

18-09-2005, 05:20 PM

I was being tongue in cheek ..I didnt literally mean public enemy #1 ..that's osama isnt it? just trying to understand why you dislike him

hmmm so if venezuela does get invaded he'll kill a whack of innocent people? ...or is it: if they dont invade he'll kill a whole whack of people? ..a little silly dont you think?

but I'm looking for more concrete evidence of why you think he's stupid ..I mean he says he has documented proof ..what if it turns out to be right? what possible justification could lead to an invasion?
I dislike him because he seems like all he wants is attention, when he should be focusing solely on making the lives of the citizens in his country better

No, he'll start killing and torturing people if he doesn;t get invaded.. he seems confrontational to me, and I wouldn;t be surprised if he tries to press the US into an invasion, which we won;t do because we have no good reason to go in (oil isn;t even an excuse, else we'd have invaded Saudi Arabia by now)
I'm sure there is some type of plan for invading every country on earth in the hands of the US gov't, and they're all for what-if scenarios, my guess is he got his hands on the one for Venezuela and took it as proof the US was gonna invade, when all it is was some desk jockey going over various possibilities

CptStern

18-09-2005, 05:45 PM

I dislike him because he seems like all he wants is attention, when he should be focusing solely on making the lives of the citizens in his country better

so you dislike him because he's vain? come on you can do better than that

No, he'll start killing and torturing people if he doesn;t get invaded..

you cant possibly believe that ..not only is it highly irrational but it's also highly illogical ...it just makes no sense whatsoever ..what makes you think he would kill his own people if the US doesnt invade?

he seems confrontational to me, and I wouldn;t be surprised if he tries to press the US into an invasion,

that makes no sense why would anyone press for an invasion? wouldnt he be disposed, thrown in jail and maybe even killed if there was an invasion? who would wish that upon themselves?

(oil isn;t even an excuse, else we'd have invaded Saudi Arabia by now)

proves to me how little you know ...why is osama so dead on destroying the US? where is he originally from? why has the bin laden family disavowed him? why is the Bush clan business partners with many saudis including the Bin laden family?

I'm sure there is some type of plan for invading every country on earth in the hands of the US gov't, and they're all for what-if scenarios, my guess is he got his hands on the one for Venezuela and took it as proof the US was gonna invade, when all it is was some desk jockey going over various possibilities

the US has a huge stake in venezuela ..if Chavez cuts off oil ...you're screwed ..venezuela is a gleaming pearl ripe for the taking ..the US has a long history of making sure the puppet regimes have the US best interests in mind ..Chavez goes contrary to that

Absinthe

18-09-2005, 08:14 PM

The Mullinator

18-09-2005, 09:15 PM

Ya I think I lost whatever little respect I had for Chavez at this point. It seems pretty obvious to me that he just wants attention from the international stage and support in his own country to be firmly against the US. Hes just taking advantage of the fact that citizens in most countries including his own are extremelly gullible.

Icarusintel

18-09-2005, 10:17 PM

Icarus, I'm wondering where this riddled logic is coming from.

If he doesn't get invaded, he'll kill his own people.
If he doesn't get invaded, he'll press the USA into doing it.

I'm really not seeing the link between these things.
I'm going off what I see, and all I've seen him act like, at least from what I can gather, is confrontational and attention-whorish. He seems to not give much of a damn about what the world thinks of him, which certainly doesn;t help his country. Of course maybe this is just what the media wants me to see, and since I'm more concerned about getting good grades than reasing for hours on end about Venezuela, that's all I get.
Also, as much as he's trying not to seem like a dictator, I see it going that route, and fast...

CptStern

18-09-2005, 11:48 PM

chavez has a right to be paranoid ..the US has been breathing down his neck for years

Top Secret

19-09-2005, 05:28 AM

The Mullinator

19-09-2005, 05:33 AM

We're America, it's what we do. Deal with it.

And on a second note:

I'd be surprised if we DIDN'T have a plan to invade every country in existance. I bet there's a file cabinet, somewhere in our govermental confines, that's organized A-Z with plans to invade each and every country. At least, I hope there is.
I am 99% certain that the US does. I mean the government ever since the cold war has always been planning on ways of dealing with just about any kind of situation that anyone could ever think of from Alien invasions to secret armies in various countries, to plagues.

If this plan that Chavez says he has discovered does exist then I am pretty certain its one of many plans developed for every country.

Absinthe

19-09-2005, 05:43 AM

I expect contingency plans for every nation.

Doesn't mean their public knowledge is any less unsettling to those they involve.

CptStern

19-09-2005, 05:45 AM

I am 99% certain that the US does. I mean the government ever since the cold war has always been planning on ways of dealing with just about any kind of situation that anyone could ever think of from Alien invasions to secret armies in various countries, to plagues.

If this plan that Chavez says he has discovered does exist then I am pretty certain its one of many plans developed for every country.

yes but going on track record alone in that part of the world (regime changes in Honduras, El Salvador, Panama, Guatemala, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, and Nicaragua) I think it's on the "most likely to invade" list

jonbob

19-09-2005, 06:05 AM

were those regime changes accompanied by open invasion as well? I'm just asking.

CptStern

19-09-2005, 06:16 AM

were those regime changes accompanied by open invasion as well? I'm just asking.

no most were CIA operations but there was Panama. Panama was invaded to overthrow a tyrant of the US's making: Manuel Noriega. Noriega was a paid stooge for the CIA since 66 ..till of course he was no longer of use. Sounds familiar doesnt it

Top Secret

19-09-2005, 06:29 AM

Ahhh, the 60's. Back when the President was part of the Mafia and Cubans got screwed. =)

*Edit*

Scarface was worth all of the death.

>>FrEnZy<<

21-09-2005, 09:58 AM

firstly, its not 'okay' that the US has invasion plans for Venezuela. Secondly, saying that the US has invasion plans for every nation makes this no more 'okay'. There is a difference between invasion and defense. Your making invasions plans into other nations look like a security procedure. It isnt. It's like me with plans about how to get into all of my neighbors houses. Thats not security, thats not defense. If I wanted defense I'd buy my home a security alarm. If I found that you had plans about invading my house, then I would go and tell everyone about it aswell.

Secondly, oil is not the only reason America is hungrily eyeing Venezuela. Venezuela also has a wonderfully working system of government, and america fears that this government will be an example for others. This was one of the main reasons america parcipitated in crushing nicarguia.

Lemonking

21-09-2005, 10:49 AM

ahahahahaha thats sad dude

Icarusintel

21-09-2005, 01:25 PM

firstly, its not 'okay' that the US has invasion plans for Venezuela. Secondly, saying that the US has invasion plans for every nation makes this no more 'okay'. There is a difference between invasion and defense. Your making invasions plans into other nations look like a security procedure. It isnt. It's like me with plans about how to get into all of my neighbors houses. Thats not security, thats not defense. If I wanted defense I'd buy my home a security alarm. If I found that you had plans about invading my house, then I would go and tell everyone about it aswell.

actually, invasion can be a great way to keep on the defensive, perhaps you've never heard of World War II

Lemonking

21-09-2005, 01:27 PM

when was that? 1990 something?

CptStern

21-09-2005, 04:06 PM

actually, invasion can be a great way to keep on the defensive, perhaps you've never heard of World War II

....because Venezuela is a threat to the US? ..maybe in oil trade yes but no one in their right mind would argue Venezuela is a threat ...well maybe they have WMD

No Limit

21-09-2005, 04:08 PM

This is obviously just a publicity stunt. I respected the guy and think he is well within his rights to have such disgust for this administration but this is taking it a little too far.

>>FrEnZy<<

22-09-2005, 04:35 AM

Yeh your absoulutely right Icarus. Let america keep on the defensive by invading every nation in the world and looting their resources. Hell! let them start world war 3, I mean it's a must! its for the defense of the most democratic and liberal nation in the world!

*edit*

I just realised you may be dumb enough to not realise I was being sacrastic...hence:

/Sarcasm.

Hapless

22-09-2005, 06:54 AM

This is obviously just a publicity stunt. this is taking it a little too far.

Mark this on your calendars, folks, I actually agree with No Limit. :cheers:

Icarusintel

22-09-2005, 01:39 PM

....because Venezuela is a threat to the US? ..maybe in oil trade yes but no one in their right mind would argue Venezuela is a threat ...well maybe they have WMD
you obviously don;t get the point of what i was saying, I wasn't even commenting about Venezuela, just that in the past a good offense has actually proven to be a good defense

awwww... thanks for believing in me Frenzy, only I doubted your words had any verite when you said i was right... no one agrees with me, which is why i keep my positions... someone has to