More CS players than CS:S?

[Dario D.]

I just looked at Gamespy. 47,000 people are playing old Counter-Strike, and 40,000 are playing Counter-Strike: Source.

Why? I've played them both, and I far, far prefer CS:S, for a whole wide range of reasons.

Why do more than half of CS players play the *old* CS?

[xLostx]

because source sucks plain and simple, all the 1337 players play 1.6 :cool:

[Deemo]

or maybe because many people still have computers than cant run HL2

and here is a better listing than gamespy: http://www.steampowered.com/status/game_stats.html

[Spectre01]

Because CS 1.6 can run on a toaster while Source can't. I like Source more than 1.6 in every way so I'm happy.

[Hectic Glenn]

Because CS 1.6 can run on a toaster while Source can't. I like Source more than 1.6 in every way so I'm happy.
I can run both fine, i just play 1.6 over Source, because Source is godawful, and i'm one of those people with hitbox issues. Its not fun to play, so i play the one that works for me. Mine looks great with the CS Realism pack, the maps ain't as brilliant, but looks don't mean everything. Gameplay is top of my agenda.

[giant384]

what i dont get is y the hell ppl use gamespy to go into a steam game when u have gamespy and steam open at the same time

[Mr-Fusion]

I just looked at Gamespy. 47,000 people are playing old Counter-Strike, and 40,000 are playing Counter-Strike: Source.

Why? I've played them both, and I far, far prefer CS:S, for a whole wide range of reasons.

Why do more than half of CS players play the *old* CS?
Runs better on most computers.

Nice, reliable, lovely netcode in 1.6. Compared to randomly unpredictable randomness of source netcode.

[KoreBolteR]

too some people cs 1.6 is pure gameplay and cs: s is more gfx.

[Spectre01]

But the gameplay is nearly identicle, except the recoil is fixed so you don't feel like a 5 year old who can't aim after firing one shot.

[Dario D.]

Hmm... I don't think I understand yet.

In my eyes, CS:S is still an experience that's worlds above the old CS. I don't understand "source sucks, but I won't say why", and "source is random, but only I can tell". Source still seems way better to me. I've had no problems... and I certainly can't stand the old server connection interface of old CS.

[giant384]

the only difference is gfx recoil and hitboxes

[Mr-Fusion]

Ok i'll try an analogy.

Imagine playing basketball on court. Ok imagine that court is filled with bits of garbage, metallic spikes, the backboard is broken and the ring is drooping down. It's really bad conditions to play basketball in. That's CS:S.

CS1.6 is like playing on a clutter free, lovely arena. Excellent to get to the point of the game.

[Dario D.]

I guess it winds down to opinion then... For me, I see the other side of the anology. To me, CS:S is like a buffet table with balanced nutrition and variety. CS is like a block of protein. All it's good for is building muscle (scoring frags), so it tastes like crap, looks like crap, and only appeals to those who want the muscle, and not the balanced nutrition / experience of the game.

So if you want muscle, CS.
If you want to be healthy, CS:S.

[poseyjmac]

CS:S is like a flying octopus. you're like, holy shit, its a flying octopus! while CS 1.6 is like a flying hamburger, and you're like, ahh yeah flying hamburger. both are good. but CS:S looks cooler.

[Mr-Fusion]

CS:S is like a flying octopus. you're like, holy shit, its a flying octopus! while CS 1.6 is like a flying hamburger, and you're like, ahh yeah flying hamburger. both are good. but CS:S looks cooler.
Yeah that's basically it lol it's all opinion

And the player stats are more like this

Counter-Strike 1.6 --103,667
Counter-Strike: Source --26,059

http://steampowered.com/status/game_stats.html

[Hectic Glenn]

CS 1.6 will always be much higher than source assuming source doesn't fix all its problems. As i said before im one of those people with really bad hitbox problems as demonstrated In this link (http://media.putfile.com/css_hit_b0x_bb). Please watch if you want to understand why so many gave up on source and went back to 'reliable' Cs1.6 and ditched the inconsistant Source. It makes the game extremely shit, because you cant hit other people, but they can hit you everywhere. And its not due to being a very poor player. I know what i'm doing in source from the basic 1.6 concept. When its fixed i'll give it another shot.

[xLostx]

CS 1.6 will always be much higher than source assuming source doesn't fix all its problems. As i said before im one of those people with really bad hitbox problems as demonstrated In this link (http://media.putfile.com/css_hit_b0x_bb). Please watch if you want to understand why so many gave up on source and went back to 'reliable' Cs1.6 and ditched the inconsistant Source. It makes the game extremely shit, because you cant hit other people, but they can hit you everywhere. And its not due to being a very poor player. I know what i'm doing in source from the basic 1.6 concept. When its fixed i'll give it another shot.
wow that's crazy, good example, sure the graphics are leet but gameplay is totally different from 1.6, i guess if you got teh real skills you play 1.6

[Kare Bear]

CS 1.6 will always be much higher than source assuming source doesn't fix all its problems. As i said before im one of those people with really bad hitbox problems as demonstrated In this link. Please watch if you want to understand why so many gave up on source and went back to 'reliable' Cs1.6 and ditched the inconsistant Source. It makes the game extremely shit, because you cant hit other people, but they can hit you everywhere. And its not due to being a very poor player. I know what i'm doing in source from the basic 1.6 concept. When its fixed i'll give it another shot.

That hitbox video is total shite dont fall for it.If anything source netcode is more
reliable if used correctly.

[StardogChampion]

They play it more because they can play it without their FPS dipping below 30 at annoying times.

Although CS and CS:S players could spend their time better by playing Natural Selection instead.

[Dr. Freeman]

They play it more because they can play it without their FPS dipping below 30 at annoying times.

Although CS and CS:S players could spend their time better by playing Natural Selection instead.

NS has become total shite :x
version 1.04 wasn't the greatest but it wasn't all that bad either.. the NS team went and ruined a good thing. :|

[Drackard]

I have played 1.6 for nearly 4 years now and i am neutral over both css and 1.6, it is just annoying having to adjust to the reg and recoil etc etc between the two, e.g. you've just come off playing css for 2 hours and playing well, you go onto 1.6 and play total shite when you know your good as the recoil is totally differen't, well thats imo anyway.

[neptuneuk]

keep the examples coming!

[Dario D.]

It seems extremely peculiar that the bots, even in offline play, have wierd hit-boxes. The hit-boxes don't actually do that in online play, do they?

If so, that's crap-tastic. If not, that's what I expected... seems too ridiculous of Valve to be true.

[bizzy420]

Ok i'll try an analogy.

Imagine playing basketball on court. Ok imagine that court is filled with bits of garbage, metallic spikes, the backboard is broken and the ring is drooping down. It's really bad conditions to play basketball in. That's CS:S.

CS1.6 is like playing on a clutter free, lovely arena. Excellent to get to the point of the game.

yea i dont know why ppl hate CS;S...i mean im not the best player but in 1.6 i had a 2:1 ratio, in source i still have 2:1 ratio.

feels the same to me, just the gfx are WAY better.

[bizzy420]

I have played 1.6 for nearly 4 years now and i am neutral over both css and 1.6, it is just annoying having to adjust to the reg and recoil etc etc between the two, e.g. you've just come off playing css for 2 hours and playing well, you go onto 1.6 and play total shite when you know your good as the recoil is totally differen't, well thats imo anyway.


ok so i been palying CS;S since it came out, and never went back to 1.6.

so i played 1.6 ( damn it looks like crap) after a game of CS:S and went 31-13
the map was de_Aztec. before i played 1.6 i was on the same map, just on CS;S and basically had the same score 33-14.

[Drackard]

Yeah but it depends also on who you play against, where your playing and the server itself, or some people may just get lucky.

[Beerdude26]

Well, I love CS:S, and actually never play CS 1.6 anymore. Although my extreme leet skills are still there, and my LAN party friends know that; they accused me of using an aimbot :D

[Dario D.]

Well, I love CS:S, and actually never play CS 1.6 anymore. Although my extreme leet skills are still there, and my LAN party friends know that; they accused me of using an aimbot :D

Anyone who accuses someone of using an aimbot is an immature n00b. :upstare:

[Doppelgofer]

Anyone who accuses someone of using an aimbot is an immature n00b. :upstare:

i bet you use an aimbot n00b

[OvA]

Ok i'll try an analogy.

Imagine playing basketball on court. Ok imagine that court is filled with bits of garbage, metallic spikes, the backboard is broken and the ring is drooping down. It's really bad conditions to play basketball in. That's CS:S.

CS1.6 is like playing on a clutter free, lovely arena. Excellent to get to the point of the game.

But in 1.6 you dont get to shoot the debris and watch it roll across the map.

[Mr-Fusion]

But in 1.6 you dont get to shoot the debris and watch it roll across the map.
yeah i'm talking from a strictly "feel" point of view. The garbage on the court can be likened to bugs, hit rego problems, netcode. I didn't literally mean garbage. A lot of 1.6 players say 1.6 just feels, moves, responds, so much better. Largely due to computer power i think

[Hectic Glenn]

yeah i'm talking from a strictly "feel" point of view. The garbage on the court can be likened to bugs, hit rego problems, netcode. I didn't literally mean garbage. A lot of 1.6 players say 1.6 just feels, moves, responds, so much better. Largely due to computer power i think
Yeah i can agree with that. One thing which 'angers' me perhaps about source is the fact you don't even get to use the havoc physics as they are disabled. They are great fun in HL2DM. A rolling barrel provides 10 seconds enjoyment, yet a lifetime of misery if connected to reg problems. Someone else commented that the hitbox video is wrong/ not true. Well despite your opinion, when i play source I actually GET those problems, seriously, and so do some of my college mates, but some don't as most people on this forum don't. There are a considerable number of us though. I'd like it to work, i really would.

[socK]

I swear to god source runs like shit, I even have preformance problems with HL:S at 1024. It really baffles me how I can run HL at 1600x1200 with full AA/AF everything blown at 85 fps but damned if I can keep a steady fps in HL:S. The flashlight alone takes a 20 fps chunk. :\

CS:S? It runs ok for the most part, 80 fps here and there, I get like a 10 fps drop just from shooting and god forbid I get into a fire fight with more than one person, FPS dies. So I absolutely destroy my visual settings, like sub HL1 look here. STILL have FPS problems. I can run BF2 at a happy 50+ fps almost always in heavy action and the game looks awesome. WHY DO YOU TORMENT ME SO GOD.

brb dystopia time

[Drackard]

What are your system specs ?

[MarcoPollo]

It feels like when i look for 1.6 servers i can hardly find a server with more than 10 people.

[socK]

What are your system specs ?


Not fantastic

2.2 p4
512 ram
9600xt

[Drackard]

Weird, shouldn't have too many problems in css if your not getting any in HL2 ... but then again a lot of people have had fps problems since the last update.

[Loc-Dog]

It's because CS 1.6 is FREE, and you need to pay money to play CS:S. CS:S is way nicer, but most people aren't willing to pay money for the same shit with an updated engine.

Especially since most players of Counter Strike are not Half Life fans. Theres no good reason to buy the whole thing.

[Absinthe]

The only reason I'd go back to 1.6 is because I can no longer play games running on the Source engine. CS:S just seems like a far more enjoyable experience to me (which isn't saying much since I don't like CS any way).

1.6 users can continue to play around with their little anachronism if they wish.

[shabazz5th]

Noob here, I haven't played 1.6 at all. CS:S is it for me. But some interesting points made by all of you.

I have some questions for you guys in this regard:

1) What's a hitbox?
2) What's an average framerate for CS:S
3) Is there a way to check what your fps is?

sorry for the noob questions...thx.

[CookieCuttah]

Source has troubles, but 1.6 isn't perfect either. I like source, because it feels more smooth, I like to see the visuals, and while the hit boxes are pissy sometimes, they sometimes work instead to make a unique situation

[Loc-Dog]

Noob here, I haven't played 1.6 at all. CS:S is it for me. But some interesting points made by all of you.

I have some questions for you guys in this regard:

1) What's a hitbox?
2) What's an average framerate for CS:S
3) Is there a way to check what your fps is?

sorry for the noob questions...thx.
1) A hitbox is the area of the model you need to fire at to get a "hit".

Example:

http://mercury.walagata.com/w/mullins/hitbox.JPG

To get a headshot, the game requiers you to shoot within the red box around the enemys head.

2) Framerates depend entierly on what kind of computer you have. Also what the scene is. If its some kind of massive firefight with lots of things on screen, the avarage framerate for a 2 ghz computer is about 20 fps, more or less. While the same scene for a top of the line computer might run at 50-60 fps.

3) Type net_graph or show_fps in the console.

CS 1.6 has much higher FPS because it has shitty graphics and low detail. Also i heard somewhere that the hitboxes in CS 1.6 are 30% larger than in Source. Wich explains why its so easy to get a Headshot in 1.6.

[Hectic Glenn]

CS 1.6 has much higher FPS because it has shitty graphics and low detail. Also i heard somewhere that the hitboxes in CS 1.6 are 30% larger than in Source. Wich explains why its so easy to get a Headshot in 1.6.
LMAO, are you kidding me? Easier? Ask nearly...ANYONE, and they will tell you Source is a headshot fest, there are far more headshots in source without a shadow of doubt.

It feels like when i look for 1.6 servers i can hardly find a server with more than 10 people.
Marcopollo, you are looking in the wrong places. Do a search for de_dust 2 on 1.6, and refresh, you'll see so many full servers with 24 people playing, anytime of day.

CS:S? It runs ok for the most part, 80 fps here and there, I get like a 10 fps drop just from shooting and god forbid I get into a fire fight with more than one person, FPS dies. So I absolutely destroy my visual settings, like sub HL1 look here. STILL have FPS problems. I can run BF2 at a happy 50+ fps almost always in heavy action and the game looks awesome. WHY DO YOU TORMENT ME SO GOD.
I have the same problem, and i have the same specs, except im running a P4 2.66ghz. Deathmatch runs fine though, and dystopia.

Seriously some of you people have no idea when it comes to CS 1.6. You have to have played it for a long time to make any judgement. Your just guessing. If you are taken in my just source's graphics you are pretty dense and easily impressed.

[Humidor]

Perhaps people think the old CS is better because they fear change?
I know many of my friends have never even played CS:Source but claim that they hate it, and won't buy it.
When they do play CS:Source, they blame every death on the scary new engine. They say the hitboxes made me miss him, my framerate is low that's why I died, and it's too easy to get a headshot.
Either way I don't care what people think, I enjoy CS:source far more than CS 1.6, if someone wants to play on the archaic engine so be it.

[shabazz5th]

Again, I've never played 1.6, but I can relate to this argument. On the Halo2 forums its the exact same thing. The first Halo takes skill and the 2nd one doesn't...

People are afraid of change. The sad thing is, people have dedicated so much time on the first game and when the second game comes out, it's slighly different, bringing them down to a level playing field with everyone.

Give them time...in a year or two, they will love it and hate the NEXT installment.

But personally I can't say a damn thing about 1.6...CS:Source is great though!

[Loc-Dog]

Hectic: I've played CS on and off since 1.0. I was in a clan too (shitty one, but anyway).

I've been playing Source now since it came out. And i can say straight up that in Source you need to aim. Now and then i still play some 1.6, for the memories. What happens is that i walk into the hallway on Dust 2 (bomb site B) with nothing but a glock. And then i kill 3 CT's without even looking, by means of headshot.

Sure, in Source you get headshots too. When you aim for the head. Sometimes in 1.6 you dont even hit the opponent when you can clearly see a limb behind a box or something.

[DEATHMASTER]

source is kick ass, never tried 1.6, probably never will

[CookieCuttah]

Hectic: I've played CS on and off since 1.0. I was in a clan too (shitty one, but anyway).

I've been playing Source now since it came out. And i can say straight up that in Source you need to aim. Now and then i still play some 1.6, for the memories. What happens is that i walk into the hallway on Dust 2 (bomb site B) with nothing but a glock. And then i kill 3 CT's without even looking, by means of headshot.

Sure, in Source you get headshots too. When you aim for the head. Sometimes in 1.6 you dont even hit the opponent when you can clearly see a limb behind a box or something.

Yeah, I shot right at someone's forehead. Was like what the hell, then shot at the chest, headshot. 1.6 is weird, source is pretty clear when you hit, and even though sometimes its bordering on weird, if you see someones head sticking out- chances are you can hit it.

[Firkat54]

source is kick ass, never tried 1.6, probably never will
Well..seeing as they were right when they said CS 1.6ers hate source because their computer doesn't even support the source engine, niether will I.