why Doom 3 sucked.

[Garfield_]

One of the main reasons why Doom3 was shit, atleast my opinion. The weapon feeling in the final game was shit, the guns were crap aswell as the weapon sounds. If anyone of you ever played the Beta you would understand. The weapons in the beta had a much better sound and you could shoot fast if clicking fast.

This game could have been better the way the Beta was, even if its like a b-horror movie =)

[Doppelgofer]

it wasn't a beta...it was an alpha

...and i agree...weapon sounds were much better plus it had a whole creepier feeling than the retail game does

[Uriel]

I do admit DOOM 3 was a dissapointment. I wanted a remake, not a completely new game. DOOM was about Deathmatching, CO-OP, Big areas, and a crud load of enemies coming at you. This was more of a jump out and scare yah game. And what about the Cyberdemon Lord? I didnt wanna damn Soul Cube to defeat him. All i wanted to do is take him down with my shotgun. Speaking of the shotgun, i didnt want some futuristic shotgun, i wanted the DOOM shotgun. The kind thats in your closet right now (cept for you British peeps). And the imps looked more like aliens, not demons. I wanted a brown leathery imp, weighing 300 pounds, screaming at me. The sound was terrible, they just needed to revamp the old sounds and music. ARRGGG, so frusterating.

[Kouler]

Revamp the old sounds and music? Lawwl

*game starts player in a hangar with the E1M1 midi song looping in the background*
"welcome to mars! all new arrivals need to check out at reception!"

[willyd]

hehe midi sounds
but the game really did suck. i still havent beat it, i played for like 8 hours and then was like wow im not having any fun. halflife2 i played til it was over because i wanted to keep playing.

[satch919]

This has NEVER been discussed before!! :eek:

The only gun sound that I didn't care for was the machinegun. Everything else sounded appropriate. I believe there's a mod that switches out the new sounds with the ones from the alpha.

[DeusExMachina]

I liked the futuristic visuals of the weapons and station and such. id's certainly got creative minds at their offices. Though whichever idiot didn't make it so weapons dont have flashlights on it is just...ugh.

[Garfield_]

This has NEVER been discussed before!! :eek:

The only gun sound that I didn't care for was the machinegun. Everything else sounded appropriate. I believe there's a mod that switches out the new sounds with the ones from the alpha.

All damn weapons in the retail sounded like softairguns, in the Beta, or no the alpha they sounded really good and realistic aswell as they fitted to the gun.
And why does the enemies have to dissapear when you shoot at them ?
that sucks, in the alpha they didnt, i really enjoyed shooting dead bodies so the blood just flew all over the place. =)

[Garfield_]

I liked the futuristic visuals of the weapons and station and such. id's certainly got creative minds at their offices. Though whichever idiot didn't make it so weapons dont have flashlights on it is just...ugh.

That was just a stupid way to make the game more scary :(

anyone wanna get scared ? try FEAR, its almost as scary as Alien vs Predator :)

[ríomhaire]

That was just a stupid way to make the game more scary :(

anyone wanna get scared ? try FEAR, its almost as scary as Alien vs Predator :)
You found AvP scary?

[Lucid]

You found AvP scary?

So did I.
It was pretty creepy.
The original AvP captured the feel of the movies the best imo.

[KagePrototype]

You found AvP scary?

You didn't?

:p

[Pauly]

I liked the game, should they have called it doom 3? no, they shouldn't of. If they made it their own title that would be nifty.

[mortiz]

No, it wasn't the sounds that made DooM 3 suck, it was the level design. They were all very similar with the exception of the Hell levels (which I actually enjoyed), also they used the same tricks to scare you throughout the game. It got to the point where it become monotonous.

[ríomhaire]

You didn't?

:p
It was one of the worst sell-out Hollywood money-grabing films ever. It was also exremly predicable and completly uunbelievable. The worst part, when the guy is doing the translation that reveals the plot
The ancient civilisation that worshiped the Preds wrote a thing starting with
"A bunch of Aliens found a backwater planet..."
Yes the Aztecs had words for 'aliens' and 'planet'.:dozey:

[Garfield_]

it was just too predictable, but isnt that they way a b-horror movie is too =?

[Lucid]

It was one of the worst sell-out Hollywood money-grabing films ever. It was also exremly predicable and completly uunbelievable. The worst part, when the guy is doing the translation that reveals the plot
The ancient civilisation that worshiped the Preds wrote a thing starting with
"A bunch of Aliens found a backwater planet..."
Yes the Aztecs had words for 'aliens' and 'planet'.:dozey:


...I believe he was talking about the GAME... Not the movie(which I thoroughly enjoyed.)

[mortiz]

The AvP games were scary as hell.

[StardogChampion]

Well the entire game ended up being 10x scarier than Ravenholm. I don't get what you're all complaining about the gun sounds, they were fine. No one will mention the little click of HL2's spudgun, oh, handgun*

[mortiz]

DooM wasn't scary at all past the start, it was just boring. They should have just packed the levels choca-bloc full of enemies like in the original DooM (which is what id does best) and not tooted it as a horror game.

[Cole]

It wasn't ment to be badass...Doom 3's weapons were.

[JellyWorld]

I didn't like the half life 2 gun sounds either. Shoot me, but I liked the sound and feel of Halo:CE's assault rifle the best.

[Uriel]

Sickening, I hate Halo weapons. Feels like im tickiling the enemy with the assualt rifle and the rest of the weapons resemble kitchen appliances.

[ríomhaire]

Sickening, I hate Halo weapons. Feels like im tickiling the enemy with the assualt rifle and the rest of the weapons resemble kitchen appliances.
Halo 2's weapons are terrible but the beauty of Halo 1's was the tackticleness. The Assault Rifle was quite powerful but the plasma shields was heavily resistant to bullets while the plasma guns were less effective against organic material so you had to use the right weapons at the right time.
Sorry for the off-topicness.

[Przemek]

I must say I enjoyed Doom3, but I did expect something different.
The pre-release screenshots were cool, and I liked the "alpha" maps.

Sounds - yes, deffinitely, the sounds in the retail Doom3 sucked. If Trent Reznor would stick with the project, the game would be a completely different experience.

Oh, but did I hate the expansion - Resurrection of Evil! Same gameplay with a crappy gravity-gun rip off :P And near the end of it, fighting with 9657296 monsters at the same time wasn't fun - this ain't Serious Sam!

Wonder what's idsoftware up to now...

[Samon]

I must say I enjoyed Doom3, but I did expect something different.
The pre-release screenshots were cool, and I liked the "alpha" maps.

Sounds - yes, deffinitely, the sounds in the retail Doom3 sucked. If Trent Reznor would stick with the project, the game would be a completely different experience.

Oh, but did I hate the expansion - Resurrection of Evil! Same gameplay with a crappy gravity-gun rip off :P And near the end of it, fighting with 9657296 monsters at the same time wasn't fun - this ain't Serious Sam!

Wonder what's idsoftware up to now...

ROE, in my opinion, was far better than Doom 3. And ID didn't do the expansion.

[DeusExMachina]

Quake IV > Doom III

FTW.

[iMMuNiTy]

Agreed. DooM 3 failed to use the engine to their advantage. It slipped out of their hands. After so many years of development and attempts to create a game that will stand out in the crowd. Quake 4, on the other hand, seems to be perfect. However, we've seen nothing more than a trailer. We'll have to wait for the final release, and then flame or worship it in these very forums. :)

[fantasiser]

While Doom 3 was still worth playing, I agree that it was a massive dissappointment and far less than what it should have been.
I cant think of a single other game or company that could get away with making the entire game in THE SAME FREAKIN ROOM OVER AND OVER. I mean they didnt have any sort of environment change (exclude hell and outside areas, which account for a such a small amount of the game they can be dismissed).
Even classic Doom had more variety and more inspired levels. The monsters were fairly boring, with the pinky demon and possibly the big guy with 2 rocket launchers being the only ones worth mentioning.
And WHY did trent reznor have to leave, WHY!?!?!??
I couldnt STAND the shotgun sound, it was so TINNY, it sounded like some pebbles banging loudly against an empty TIN. In fact, screw it, all the weapon sounds sucked.

HL2's arent the best either, i REALLY liked the beefy sounds in FEAR, but HL2's still werent outright BAD like Doom3.

The alpha was a better game, with better levels.

[Samon]

HL2's arent the best either, i REALLY liked the beefy sounds in FEAR, but HL2's still werent outright BAD like Doom3.


I thought fears were stupidly tinny :p

[Asuka]

Some guns in Doom 3 could have looked a lot better, but i felt the sounds were good. Game did its job and i loved Doom 3 and the exp.

[fantasiser]

I thought fears were stupidly tinny :p

Well it just goes to show that different people have different perspectives. I still think the D3 shotgun felt like it was a hollow light peice of plastic.
On a side note, the recoil effects of FEAR also add to the feeling that your holding a big heavy bullet launcher.

[Samon]

Well it just goes to show that different people have different perspectives. I still think the D3 shotgun felt like it was a hollow light peice of plastic.
On a side note, the recoil effects of FEAR also add to the feeling that your holding a big heavy bullet launcher.


I can't say Doom 3's weapons were brilliant, I admit - some did sound relativley weak but at least they looked good ;)

[Dario D.]

For the most part I enjoyed HL2's weapon sounds, but the best weapon sounds award really goes to CS:S.

Doom3's sound scores points in the fact that it is *really* consistent. Every weapon sounds like it's from the same family, and you can tell that the sound designer was really trying to pull that off, and with great success in stylizing the weapon sounds to all match.

But nobody mentioned to him that just because it's "stylized" doesn't mean it's "good". Alot of people don't understand that, and sell themselves to style, just because "it's stylish". Half the styles out there are worthless, and the quiet, soft nature of the Doom3 weapon sounds are no different.

Besides, isn't doom supposed to have massive, explosive weapons? It should be a pioneer in weapons of excessive power. What it does it give you a load of weak weapons with no sense of rpesence or power.

Of course, louder weapons would annihilate any sense of horror, but if there's one thing horror games have proven, it's that excessive amounts of loud weapons removes suspense.

Doom3 basically tries to mix excessive action with horror. That's like mixing steak and oranges. You can have one, or the other, but not both. To get the two to work together would take some redesigning of the game. Maybe put some oranges into the marinara sauce for the steak. You know... action, with a suspenseful background, or certain scary areas where you can't use firearms. But pulling that off takes skill, and Id is only good with graphics and simple gameplay.

I've never, ever considered Id to be a company with skill. They've never made a smart game, and even their simple games (Quake) are too simple, and fall far short of games like UT.

[TheSomeone]

It was one of the worst sell-out Hollywood money-grabing films ever. It was also exremly predicable and completly uunbelievable. The worst part, when the guy is doing the translation that reveals the plot
The ancient civilisation that worshiped the Preds wrote a thing starting with
"A bunch of Aliens found a backwater planet..."
Yes the Aztecs had words for 'aliens' and 'planet'.:dozey:

Might just be me coming in a bit late into this thread, but I do beleive they're talking about the game, which is supposed to be one of the scariest games every made, which by the way came out years before the movie.

[fantasiser]

I've never, ever considered Id to be a company with skill. They've never made a smart game, and even their simple games (Quake) are too simple, and fall far short of games like UT.

I agree wholeheartedly. Their best effort for an awesome game by far was Quake 3, and thats because it was pure deathmatch and the gameplay didnt need any work on it. They just had to make graphics, maps and netcode, and the players did the rest.

Even then i always enjoyed UT more than Quake 3
And UT2k3 and UT2k4 dont even have a rival.

[Lucid]

Id are exceptional engine makers, You gotta admit that.

[Garfield_]

The doom3 shotgun, it doesnt even sound you can just hear the bullets hit the wall :D

[AzzMan]

I liked Doom3:burp:

[Garfield_]

I enjoyed it alot, just saying that it could have been much better with just a few minor changes =)

[iMMuNiTy]

Reasons why I hate DooM 3:

- Poor storyline.
- Poor gameplay. Seeing Half-Life 2, its competitor, taking the lead mainly because of the gravity gun, it copied it, renamed it, and put it into a quick-made EP. Lame.
- Poor sounds. As mentioned earlier. Piss-weak sounds.

After I noticed issues, which I list below, I considered DooM 3 to be one of the worst sequels ever made (IMO obviously). It soaked earlier Dooms in mud.

- Low-polygons. I'd rather play a game with a high polygon count and low-res textures than vice versa. People really look ugly "low-polygoned". That doesn't apply to monsters, though - you can't tell whether it's a low-polygon issue, or this is how the monster truly looks like. :P
- Darkness. I found the beginning intriguing and, well, scary. However it got monotonous further in-game, to the point of boredom. Seriously, though: we fought against hordes of combine soldiers in Half-Life 2, slowed down time and took every enemy out in Max Payne series, took out half of Hell inhabitants in Painkiller, and we're supposed to be afraid of dark? Pffft. Silent Hill, Resident Evil, F.E.A.R. - now those are scary games. For me, darkness is simply a lame excuse to cover up graphical isues and bugs.

Note the first sentence of my post - "Reasons why I hate DooM 3:". Not "Reasons why DooM 3 sucked", because technically, the game was pretty good. It used the shaders well, the monster design was pretty good, the AI was a standart. But for me, DooM 3 was a bad game. 'Nuff said.

[DEATH eVADER]

Doom3 shit! Ressurection of Evil more challenging yet more shitter!

[dream431ca]

I liked doom 3..I'll like it more when I hook my PC up to my big 5.1 stereo. :D

[Uriel]

I woulda been a lot happier with an old fashioned shotgun. Just like the old one (drools).

[DeusExMachina]

I woulda been a lot happier with an old fashioned shotgun. Just like the old one (drools).

Seeing as how it took place in the future, it wouldn't have made a lot of goddamn sense now would it?

[bam23]

Oh yea, and the fact that there isn't a single roll of duct tape or shoulder mounted lights in the future makes perfect sense :P

[DeusExMachina]

Never said it did.

[Sanius]

Why did I hate doom 3? Well, I didn't hate it. I just didn't like it, here is why.

The game was a so-called "remake" of doom. But did I see any cacodemons? Did I see a cyberdemon that wasn't easy to kill? did I see a spider mastermind? No, I did not. The game had terribly stale combat. None of the guns in the game had anything special. Unless you counted the shotgun, which is the only weapon worthwhile in it. Seriously, you can take down a ****ing baron of hell with that thing.
Lets not forget the game ran like shit. My 6800 and ect ect runs at about 30 fps in a firefight, while say, FEAR, with more light and fighting about 5 enemies with lots of particle effects and shadows, runs at 30-40 (lets not forget that doom 3 mostly had you fighting one-two enemies in a small dark room)

Scares were not scary, they were just audio scares, I can't stress this enough. For something to be scary, you need something visually scary, something that sounds scary, and good timing. doom 3 just stuck in that old scientist guy laughing and a ragdoll flying and then iD and magazines around the world marked the game as terrifying

Graphics didn't look that great to me afterawhile, atleast compared to FEAR (while still looking kind of the same (on my settings), runs alot better)

[Max_Payne]

in my opinion doom3 was brilliant. why? because it was aimed at getting people to get to use their imagination and get sucked into a world of darkness and terror. it worked for me.. i love being scared. and thats where they were striving at. juss like the silent hill series... they wanted u to thinka bout what might be around the next corner. for all of u who .. like myself... used a little imagition and was creeped out. i commend you. For those of you who didnt, dont worry its all good, all im tryin to say is let go. dont bring up your expectations for any game... and play it minute by minute rather goin into it and whomping it in two days.

PEACE

Mike:naughty:

Mike

[iMMuNiTy]

Seeing as how it took place in the future, it wouldn't have made a lot of goddamn sense now would it?Wouldn't it be cool? In the future, among all those creatures, with an ol' rusty Doom II shotgun. The player would say among the lines of "I was saving this for a special moment...". At least you could sticky tape a flashlight to it.

[Lucid]

Why did I hate doom 3? Well, I didn't hate it. I just didn't like it, here is why.

The game was a so-called "remake" of doom. But did I see any cacodemons? Did I see a cyberdemon that wasn't easy to kill? did I see a spider mastermind? No, I did not. The game had terribly stale combat. None of the guns in the game had anything special. Unless you counted the shotgun, which is the only weapon worthwhile in it. Seriously, you can take down a ****ing baron of hell with that thing.
Lets not forget the game ran like shit. My 6800 and ect ect runs at about 30 fps in a firefight, while say, FEAR, with more light and fighting about 5 enemies with lots of particle effects and shadows, runs at 30-40 (lets not forget that doom 3 mostly had you fighting one-two enemies in a small dark room)

Scares were not scary, they were just audio scares, I can't stress this enough. For something to be scary, you need something visually scary, something that sounds scary, and good timing. doom 3 just stuck in that old scientist guy laughing and a ragdoll flying and then iD and magazines around the world marked the game as terrifying

Graphics didn't look that great to me afterawhile, atleast compared to FEAR (while still looking kind of the same (on my settings), runs alot better)


The Cacodemon's (http://www.nextdimension.org/other/doom3/cacodemon.jpg) definitely there.
Perhaps you meant to say the Pain Elemental? (http://www.trilobite.org/doom/pain.html)

[Sanius]

sorry, I did mean to say pain elemental. thanks.

[JNightshade]

HEY! GUESS WHAT! YOU STUPID SHITS ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE!

Maybe you like Doom 3, maybe you don't. But does it really matter? I mean, this is Halflife2.net, not Ihatedoom3forthisandthisandthis.com. Why are so many of you intent on ruining my day by spreading the seeds of ignorance and fanboydom? Shame on you all! I had this conversation with the "**** HALO 2" crowd, and now I need to carry it over to you. The reason you all sound so stupid is that IT'S ALL OPINION. And the thing you continue to slam means NOTHING at all! You all could've become this passionate about politics, or world hunger, or disease prevention, or anything that actually matters (well, that's debatable for politics, but still) but NO, YOU all chose to wage a holy war on a game that came out a year ago, which everyone in their right minds has either moved on from or treats like every other game.
Bah. So just stop it. Please.

[AmishSlayer]

HEY! GUESS WHAT! YOU STUPID SHITS ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE!

Maybe you like Doom 3, maybe you don't. But does it really matter? I mean, this is Halflife2.net, not Ihatedoom3forthisandthisandthis.com. Why are so many of you intent on ruining my day by spreading the seeds of ignorance and fanboydom? Shame on you all! I had this conversation with the "**** HALO 2" crowd, and now I need to carry it over to you. The reason you all sound so stupid is that IT'S ALL OPINION. And the thing you continue to slam means NOTHING at all! You all could've become this passionate about politics, or world hunger, or disease prevention, or anything that actually matters (well, that's debatable for politics, but still) but NO, YOU all chose to wage a holy war on a game that came out a year ago, which everyone in their right minds has either moved on from or treats like every other game.
Bah. So just stop it. Please.

Hey...guess what? If we were gonna discuss politics or world hunger or disease prevention we would've picked a different place to post. You're posting in the General Games forum and as you said yourself, "this is Halflife2.net". The General Games forum is obviously set up for everybody to discuss OTHER games or gaming in general.

And how is it "fanboydom" to rip on both games? Many have said HL2's guns weren't that great and neither were Doom 3's (I'm with those people)

Of course it's all opinion...it's not like there's much to discuss when it comes to fact... Facts can only be stated...not debated...and that's no fun.

I just think we struck a nerve with a Doom 3 fan.

I hated the AI...or whatever made EVERY monster just shoot or charge you. If he charges? Just stand still with your shotgun...wait for it... *BLAM*...moving on. If he shoots from one position you can peek and shoot quickly with another gun or lob one of your 50 grenades... hooray for amazing battles...

HL2's AI was better but it still didn't challenge me.

[Lt. Drebin]

HEY! GUESS WHAT! YOU STUPID SHITS ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE!

Maybe you like Doom 3, maybe you don't. But does it really matter? I mean, this is Halflife2.net, not Ihatedoom3forthisandthisandthis.com. Why are so many of you intent on ruining my day by spreading the seeds of ignorance and fanboydom? Shame on you all! I had this conversation with the "**** HALO 2" crowd, and now I need to carry it over to you. The reason you all sound so stupid is that IT'S ALL OPINION. And the thing you continue to slam means NOTHING at all! You all could've become this passionate about politics, or world hunger, or disease prevention, or anything that actually matters (well, that's debatable for politics, but still) but NO, YOU all chose to wage a holy war on a game that came out a year ago, which everyone in their right minds has either moved on from or treats like every other game.
Bah. So just stop it. Please.

Hey, don't sweat it man. As much as a lot of folks didn't like Doom 3, they're in the minority. It's a great game...if all these things people keep listing as problems with the game take away from their overall enjoyment, then it's their problem....further, if they want to waste their time bitching about it then....well..again, it's their problem. I recognize the game is not without faults, no game is.....except Ocarina of Time.....but I still enjoyed the game. Again, it's a fact, more people have enjoyed Doom 3 than have not. Just ignore it.

Besides, this discussion is so played out it's pathetic. There are more interesting threads on these forums.

[Uriel]

Hey, i liked DOOM 3, i gotta poster of it, read all of the novels of DOOM, have downloaded every DOOM midi. You could say im a DOOM freak. The first DOOM is my favorite game, i still play it. Its just got an atmosphere to it. What I wanted was a more open, brighter more action packed DOOM. Looks like I'm gonna get that in Quake 4, which makes me very happy. Believe me, I'm not a DOOM basher, I drove 2 damn hours just to buy it when it came out (I live in the middle of nowhere).

[KagePrototype]

HEY! GUESS WHAT! YOU STUPID SHITS ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE!

Maybe you like Doom 3, maybe you don't. But does it really matter? I mean, this is Halflife2.net, not Ihatedoom3forthisandthisandthis.com. Why are so many of you intent on ruining my day by spreading the seeds of ignorance and fanboydom? Shame on you all! I had this conversation with the "**** HALO 2" crowd, and now I need to carry it over to you. The reason you all sound so stupid is that IT'S ALL OPINION. And the thing you continue to slam means NOTHING at all! You all could've become this passionate about politics, or world hunger, or disease prevention, or anything that actually matters (well, that's debatable for politics, but still) but NO, YOU all chose to wage a holy war on a game that came out a year ago, which everyone in their right minds has either moved on from or treats like every other game.
Bah. So just stop it. Please.

If you need to vent, scream at the wall. Don't let out your frustrations out on people who want to discuss things in a somewhat civilised manner. No one is saying anyone's opinion is wrong here.

[Flyingdebris]

Personally i liked doom 3. I was able to get thoroughly in to it and enjoy it.

However, the game is much much better when you have found your minimod of choice from the hundreds that are out there. One or more for almost every gripe.

The only thing i really would have liked a lot better would be if the demons didn't always teleport in all the time. All too often the demons would teleport in and a battle ensued. I would have liked it better if there was less teleportation and more demons just marching around already there.

So far thats the only gripe mods haven't at the moment adressed.

-But if you want lights on your guns, there's like 50 mods for that alone.
-want a realistic shotty, like a 100 mods
-want lots of arbitary changes or different skin packs or sounds, like 300 mods

[AmishSlayer]

Hey, don't sweat it man. As much as a lot of folks didn't like Doom 3, they're in the minority. It's a great game...if all these things people keep listing as problems with the game take away from their overall enjoyment, then it's their problem....further, if they want to waste their time bitching about it then....well..again, it's their problem. I recognize the game is not without faults, no game is.....except Ocarina of Time.....but I still enjoyed the game. Again, it's a fact, more people have enjoyed Doom 3 than have not. Just ignore it.

Besides, this discussion is so played out it's pathetic. There are more interesting threads on these forums.


Two words: Water Temple

I also had lots of trouble with the auto-jumping system they had worked in. I just wish there was a jump button.

I liked Ocarina of Time a lot but it certainly isn't my favorite game or a flawless :P

[Lt. Drebin]

Two words: Water Temple

I also had lots of trouble with the auto-jumping system they had worked in. I just wish there was a jump button.

I liked Ocarina of Time a lot but it certainly isn't my favorite game or a flawless :P

Dude, just accept it. It's flawless. ;)


Well, to me it is.

[Lucid]

I loved Doom 3.

I still play alot online, solely for the Last Man Standing mod.
Fast-paced-co-op-gaming-bliss.

[AmishSlayer]

Dude, just accept it. It's flawless. ;)


Well, to me it is.

You know what would really make my day? If the next Zelda came out for some other system than GC...

...and you know what...when are they going to stop calling it "Legend of Zelda" ? It's hardly about Zelda any more it seems. Even when she isn't in the game it's still gotta be all about her... silly woman. :P

[Doppelgofer]

in my opinion doom3 was brilliant. why? because it was aimed at getting people to get to use their imagination and get sucked into a world of darkness and terror. it worked for me.. i love being scared. and thats where they were striving at. juss like the silent hill series...

were we playing the same game because i'm sure silent hill relies on psychological terror was as doom3 just threw imps at you from dark corners

effective for 5 minutes then wore thin