Finally, Guirella Talk " KILL ZONE 2 IS REAL "

[weskerQ8]

The official UK PlayStation.com website recently posted an interview with Guerilla Killzone PS3 designer, Jan-Bart Van Beek. It goes like...

here it's http://ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616591p1.html

now Killzone PS3 designer Said that the video is real
and IGN's Editors Said that the video is just a fake !!!!!

as IGN says " There you have it! IGN believes, overwhelmingly, that the video is a fake. That's where we stand. Prove us wrong, Guerilla. Prove us wrong. "

What do you think guys ?!!

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/616/616298/killzone-next-gen-20050518031918692.jpg

[Sparta]

Already been posted, and its fake

[Mr-Fusion]

hype hype hype hype

:)

playing into Sony's hands so perfectly.

[Absinthe]

Wait, where did they say the video is real? They never said that. At least not directly.

[weskerQ8]

IGN: Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.

[jimbo118]

Already been posted, and its fake
yes its been posted and its fake.

[Nid Banikeri]

representation doesn't mean its real :sleep:

[Cons Himself]

it just begs the question - why waste so much time and money on such an expensive CGI cutscene?

the answer? hype.

dont dont dont

dont believe the hype

[Absinthe]

IGN: Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.

That does not mean in-game. In fact, with an obtuse answer like that, I'd figure it's pretty obvious that the video was fake. If they wanted to confirm that it's in-game, they'd say "Yeah, it's in-game".

[<RJMC>]

now guerilla (no guirella lol) must hav make a game whit similiar graphics if they don want to dissapoint

[Tr0n]

Sadly...the video was not in-game. :(

/me falls to his knees and cries

[weskerQ8]

The days will show as if it's real or not

and I really wish it could be real

[Cons Himself]

thats sony for ya

[Absinthe]

thats sony for ya

Every E3 for ya as well.

[PvtRyan]

Flashbacks to the oh so great Emotion Engine!

[KagePrototype]

The days will show as if it's real or not

and I really wish it could be real

Mate, the odds are against you here. Just give up. :p

[Gorgon]

Sadly...the video was not in-game. :(

* Tr0n falls to his knees and cries

:sleep: they just fuked it up.....

[StardogChampion]

I wonder if it was fully pre-rendered CG, or more akin to the HL2 "representation", where it was using the in-game engine.

Somehow I doubt it's the engine at all. I'm on the entirely CG side of the fence...

[Cons Himself]

course its CG. they havent even manufactured a finalised PS3 yet. just alpha dev kits knocking around.

[EVIL]

I know some dudes from Guirella, I'l ask them if its real, can't promise anything tho

[Chav]

Why dont we just email killzone asking them if it was real in-game footage??

I'll email them, they have the same language as me(dutch)

[Lemonking]

so even if it aint real game is still gonna kick ass

[Kangy]

I hated the first one, so I'm holding real doubts to the actual playability of the final product, despite whatever amount of sexiness it might have.

[Malfunction]

Why dont we just email killzone asking them if it was real in-game footage??

I'll email them, they have the same language as me(dutch)

Because they probably don't want to reveal whether it's real-time or not. If it was pre-rendered, imagine how pissed everyone would be. I bet the actual final product wouldn't do so well, because people would have felt like it could have been so much better.

[Warbie]

so even if it aint real game is still gonna kick ass

There's blind faith for you :)

I weep for the PlayStation Generation :'(

[jimbo118]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59243

interesting interview with phil harrison on the ps3, thought i might post it here instead of creating a thread.

[FictiousWill]

Can we change the thread title? kthnx

[DeusExMachina]

There's blind faith for you :)

I weep for the PlayStation Generation :'(

Yeah, PlayStation always pumping out great games...

[Cerpin]

In the one picture I saw, where the camera is right above the shoulder of some soldier (on the bridge), you can clearly see the normal-mapped texture on his shoulder, as well as on the ground, you know, the "square-by-square" thing you get when you zoom in on the bump-maped Doom 3 textures. It looks good, but CG (which is a lame term as all graphics are computer generated) by todays standard have moved far away from flaws like that.

However, that`s not proving anything for either yes or no.

EDIT: Added the photo.


http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928377_20050516_screen003.jpg

[French Ninja]

Though the video was beautiful, I was more amazed by the atmosphere. Seeing the ISA soldier push the Helgan soldier over the edge, explosions and the dropship landings made my heart jump. :)
thats sony for ya
Microsoft did the same thing with HALO 2. :sleep:

[special-ed]

Nope, it's real alright.. if you watch the kz2 trailer in slow motion you'll notice some ingame glitches, such as characters spawning in the background and nps clipping through eachother.. this is no pre-rendered fake!

[special-ed]

Just deal with it pc gamers, it has been 5 years in the making and the new consoles simply kick ass..

[special-ed]

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=928377&topic=21048987&page=0

the proof..

[Sainku]

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=928377&topic=21048987&page=0

the proof..

Yea that is much more convincing than the company themselves saying it wasn't real.



burned, thats twice today

[special-ed]

It will look exactly like this, if you ask me it should look much better.. being the next gen console and all..

[chu]

Consoles are the rue of all evil. That and religion.

[qckbeam]

They never said it was real. Actually, going by what they said in the interview it's pretty obvious it was a fake and they just don't want to admit it.

[Absinthe]

Nope, it's real alright.. if you watch the kz2 trailer in slow motion you'll notice some ingame glitches, such as characters spawning in the background and nps clipping through eachother.. this is no pre-rendered fake!

Apparently you missed the part where they said they were rushing to churn out that video.

So no, the existence of glitches in the video doesn't conclude that it's ingame.

so even if it aint real game is still gonna kick ass

What makes you so sure about that? If what you saw was a representational prerendered video, then that means you've seen nothing of the actual game itself. And seeing as how the first Killzone sucked, I don't see how you can claim with any certainty that the new game will be good.

[special-ed]

The player was scripted to show the enviroments.. and most of the events were as well..
but these are the actual graphics.

[Absinthe]

but these are the actual graphics.

Evidence to support this? Good luck coming up with any.

[qckbeam]

The player was scripted to show the enviroments.. and most of the events were as well..
but these are the actual graphics.

And why exactly should I trust you, some random guy on the internet with the name "special-ed"?

[special-ed]

more people need to look at the videos and then realize their being dumbasses..

[qckbeam]

more people need to look at the videos and then realize their being dumbasses..

I agree with you on that point

[Absinthe]

more people need to look at the videos and then realize their being dumbasses..

A convincing argument if I ever heard one. And I actually agree.

[special-ed]

Also when you create a CGI you only focus on what the camera is pointing at. Nothing happens off screen so you just put in the things you want to see at that time and nothing else. So it is very unlikely to have a glitch in a CGI unless you have an ignorant programmer.

[Sainku]

We are being so stupid not trusting sony who has screwed us over before, that there console is capable of producing graphics that it takes 17 high-end processors hooked up a week to pre-render. What are we thinking.


You are the one being a dumbass if you think that CG can't have glitches in them, or be poorly done.



If you want to know what ps3 graphics will look like, look at UE2007 and fight night. You are just falling for the same hype that pissed us all of when the ps2 was released, that incredible emotion engine that could do toy story in real time .

[Absinthe]

Also when you create a CGI you only focus on what the camera is pointing at. Nothing happens off screen so you just put in the things you want to see at that time and nothing else. So it is very unlikely to have a glitch in a CGI unless you have an ignorant programmer.

They admitted that it was rush job and that they only finished it 3 days before the PS3 unveiling.

Just because something's prerendered doesn't mean it's devoid of errors.

[qckbeam]

Also when you create a CGI you only focus on what the camera is pointing at. Nothing happens off screen so you just put in the things you want to see at that time and nothing else. So it is very unlikely to have a glitch in a CGI unless you have an ignorant programmer.

I can tell you have a wealth of knowledge relating to the topic at hand. You're most certainly right. It's all because of those damned ignorant programmers.

[special-ed]

hmm.. around 4 billion dollars going into graphics and sony happens to hire ignorant programmers.

[^Ben]

Keep digging.

[FictiousWill]

I can tell you have a wealth of knowledge relating to the topic at hand. You're most certainly right. It's all because of those damned ignorant programmers.


hahaha stop kicking, Qckbeam, the blood will ruin the carpet! :laugh:

[<RJMC>]

Consoles are the rue of all evil. That and religion.

you think someone is paying attention of what you say?

[special-ed]

If any more posts, NEVER trust ign, EVER!!

[<RJMC>]

If any more posts, NEVER trust ign, EVER!!
why? (dam 6 char limit)

[special-ed]

This was ingame graphics and gameplay. Its been confirmed at E3 ladies and gentlemen. Confirmed 3 times by one of the Sony producers on G4 live!! Close the thread..

[Cerpin]

George Bush just announced on tv that he was a transvestite.

Proof?

[special-ed]

Poor hl2 fan boys, go crawl in a hole and cry now..

[Cerpin]

No, **** you. I`m a fan of all systems, so you can go and crawl up somewhere. I want this to be real time graphics, hence, I want proof.

[Neutrino]

This was ingame graphics and gameplay. Its been confirmed at E3 ladies and gentlemen. Confirmed 3 times by one of the Sony producers on G4 live!! Close the thread..

Never heard that. Do you have a link?

In my opinion, it's obviously fake. If it was real sony and the game company would be shouting "In game footage!" from the rooftops. They would never leave any question if it was actually real because it would be in their best interest to say their system can actually produce graphics of that quality.

[Feath]

Also when you create a CGI you only focus on what the camera is pointing at. Nothing happens off screen so you just put in the things you want to see at that time and nothing else. So it is very unlikely to have a glitch in a CGI unless you have an ignorant programmer.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1414018&postcount=113

Using the technique described by Pi, I'm sure that you could end up with various glitches such as "characters spawning in the distance".

[Foxtrot]

keyboard+mouse > boomerang

[special-ed]

keyboard+mouse = ps3's 6 usb ports

[<RJMC>]

keyboard+mouse = ps3's 6 usb ports

whats exactly the purpose of the usb thing?

I dont know

is to conect allmost everithing to other device or something like that?

[Neutrino]

whats exactly the purpose of the usb thing?

I dont know

is to conect allmost everithing to other device or something like that?

It's to connect usb devices to the console, which includes keyboards and mice. Probably the eye toy thing uses usb as well, though I'm just guessing.

[Smack500]

Just deal with it pc gamers, it has been 5 years in the making and the new consoles simply kick ass..

lol u3 eats killzone 2 for breakfast.

This is funny seriously. Now that some of the hype from some of the new gen console games are coming out, the console fanboys are back to spouting their normal bs. I hope they do know that while the new gen consoles are being worked on and coming out, so is new pc hardware. A new line of 512mb cards should be coming out soon from nvidea and ati.

And please dont even say **** about control options.

[Mr. Redundant]

two sony representatives said it was real (however one did mention it was a VIDEO of INGAME "TO SPEC" gameplay for killzone 2) today on G4's "E3 05 live"

that being said, it still seems too good to be true.

[Sparta]

two sony representatives said it was real (however one did mention it was a VIDEO of INGAME "TO SPEC" gameplay for killzone 2) today on G4's "E3 05 live"

that being said, it still seems too good to be true.
I guess it depends on their definition of "real" ;)

[venturon]

And the damn controversy continues. Notice how no one ever comes out and says, "Dude, that's me playing." You know, we don't even get a simple, "The footage was generated using the in-game engine and a lot of cool scripting." We always just have to settle with, "Hey, look at out Killzone! It's what we intend Killzone to be." What does that even mean anyway?

This has got to be the ****ing stupidest writeup I've ever read. It's very little wonder why they didn't come out and say anything when IGN never came out and asked a straight ****ing question. Why in god's name IGN didn't just ask "Is the Killzone 2 trailer real-time in-game footage?" when they clearly wanted to know, is beyond me.

Note that I don't actually give a shit about Killzone 2, or any of the nextgen consoles or PCs.

[Absinthe]

IGN didn't conduct the interview.

And special-ed clearly lives up to his name.

[venturon]

Then on what grounds should they complain? I don't get it. IGN seems to expect an answer for a question that was not asked.

[Absinthe]

Everybody should be well aware of the controversy surrounding the video. It's at the forefront of everybody's mind. IGN was complaining that when given the opportunity, the one conducting the interview didn't even ask for confirmation that the video was ingame. The ambiguous responses from Guerilla don't help too much either.

[Cons Himself]

lol special-ed is right, programmers make CGI, not artists and animators or anyone like that.

its all the damm programmers faults i tells ya!!

PS - CGI is a term used to describe pre-rendered graphics, not real time games engines - google it noob.


this quote is my favourite:

Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.

a representation ladies and gentlemen....

[Pi Mu Rho]

You know what's really amusing? The trailer is working. Realtime or prerendered, you're all talking about it. Money can't buy mindshare like that.

[Cons Himself]

doesnt mean im going to buy it. i bought an xbox when it came down to 150 quid, but i only bought halo and halo 2 for it.

and all the reviews claim killzone was a crap game by some nobody developers.

[NikolaX]

i cant see whay this tread is still going on. we all know it is prerenderd.
my last post in here.

[Cons Himself]

i think there's one more point that needs to be made - a lot of the killzone 2 screenies were taken from a HUD point if view - you can see your weapon sticking out in front of you.

now i know we all dont have a problem with pre redered scenes, per se...but when the developer tries to fool us into thinking its real time by making a pre rendered sequence from a first person pov, with your gun out in front of you and everything - i think thats taking it a bit too far.

[Cerpin]

You have a point, but do you really think, and look away from the whole "is it real-time?" thing now, that the video would have such an impact if they had used standard camera angles to show it, like movie? My guess is, well, we wouldnt be having this thread.

[Cons Himself]

no, but that is my point - they did it for the hype. they knew people would be debating whether it was real time or not - so they did a nice pre rendered mock up from a first person viewpoint, to give off the impression it was a video of the actual engine, and let all us idiots sit here talking about it.

Sony sucks - they always do this/// omg emotion engine!!11 does that mean i will have teh re4l emotionz when i pray Playstayshun2!111??

[Mr. Redundant]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/20/news_6126204.html

more fuel to the fire.

So how does Sony respond to the allegations? Far from being evasive, they met them head-on. "Yes, it is real time," a rep told GameSpot.

[jimbo118]

god i cant wait till e3 is over and bf2 and gta:sa come out so i wont have to hear this kz2 'was it, wasnt it' argument all the time.

mini rant over.

[Bling]

for those who havnt seen:

It was confirmed in game on g4

http://www.fattysquirrel.com/G4KZ2.mpg

but, idk who to trust :|

[jimbo118]

whos the guy who comfirmed it though? if that is ingame its the best looking game ever made.

[Bling]

whos the guy who comfirmed it though? if that is ingame its the best looking game ever made.

idk, but here is another source

http://www.gamespot.com/live/streamer_new2.html?title=E3+Live%2C+Show+9&path=2stream_e3_2005_show9.asx&pid=0&rgroup=8283

(at around 8:30 on the time bar)

[Sainku]

idk, but here is another source

http://www.gamespot.com/live/streamer_new2.html?title=E3+Live%2C+Show+9&path=2stream_e3_2005_show9.asx&pid=0&rgroup=8283

(at around 8:30 on the time bar)

I watched that, the sony reps have been saying it was real or done to spec all along, nothing new. Same hype they tried to pull for the ps2. They are full of it. The people who did the scene itself have acknowleged it was not real.

[MuToiD_MaN]

I think that the sony reps will say anything that will make more people get hyped about their console, so I don't trust them. I have decided to remain skeptical (VERY skeptical but not in one camp or the other) until the game is released. Then we shall see what is what. Since we can't see into the future, we instead try and predict what things are going to be like two years from now and post endlessly in forums. I charge you all with the challenge to above it.

[Gorgon]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html

look at the video PS3 ED said its all real and its not fake its part of the gameplay :w0oT!!

[special-ed]

lol u3 eats killzone 2 for breakfast.

This is funny seriously. Now that some of the hype from some of the new gen console games are coming out, the console fanboys are back to spouting their normal bs. I hope they do know that while the new gen consoles are being worked on and coming out, so is new pc hardware. A new line of 512mb cards should be coming out soon from nvidea and ati.

And please dont even say **** about control options.

I've been hating consoles with all my heart, sticking with pcs games through the end of the xbox/ps2 phase, but now i'm sick of all the shit pcs games have been bringing me and wish to switch back over to the new consoles. So go buy your 10,000 dollar supercomputer.. equal to the 500-700 (maybe less) ps3, which pwns it anyday.

[Chav]

Okay I emailed the ho's and this is what I got back:

Hi there (my name was here),

Thanks for getting in touch! With regards to the recent E3 Killzone
movie, I think it's best to let our SCEE colleagues clarify the
situation. Have a look at this link:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59243

Sorry to be so uninformative, but we're not quite ready to talk about
our current projects yet. We're working exclusively with SCEE, on their
PlayStation platforms and that's all we can really say..

All the best,

-Guerrilla

[special-ed]

Sainku, I wouldn't believe the interview from gamespot either (dumbshits), but the executive vice president of sony confirming it himself is a completely different story.

[Cons Himself]

if youre referring to the interview at eurogamer, the exec confirmed some things were pre rendered. he didnt specify which though...wonder why?

[Smack500]

I've been hating consoles with all my heart, sticking with pcs games through the end of the xbox/ps2 phase, but now i'm sick of all the shit pcs games have been bringing me and wish to switch back over to the new consoles. So go buy your 10,000 dollar supercomputer.. equal to the 500-700 (maybe less) ps3, which pwns it anyday.

Post like this truely show how ignorant you are. Just game related hardware, I have only spent 1,000$ on my pc. It is above the xbox 360, but slightly not as good as the ps3. Upon the ps3s release, pcs will be out that are better for around that amount.

You wont see it graphically (that current totl pcs are better), for quite sometime. Because developers dont get close to the full use out of totl pcs (until there not top of the line anymore).

Although theres no question consoles are cheaper and will continue to be. However a top of the line pc can do tons more then gaming. If you utilize it, its well worth the money.

[special-ed]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html

look at the video PS3 ED said its all real and its not fake its part of the gameplay :w0oT!!

This is what i'm talking about.

[special-ed]

Post like this truely show how ignorant you are. Just game related hardware, I have only spent 1,000$ on my pc. It is above the xbox 360, but slightly not as good as the ps3. Upon the ps3s release, pcs will be out that are better for around that amount.

You wont see it graphically (that current totl pcs are better), for quite sometime. Because developers dont get close to the full use out of totl pcs (until there not top of the line anymore).

Although theres no question consoles are cheaper and will continue to be. However a top of the line pc can do tons more then gaming. If you utilize it, its well worth the money.

I think i'll be very content with ps3 for some time.. list your specs so I can believe this bs.

[Smack500]

Thats your opinion, and Im not trying to argue with you on that. Just dont start spouting bs, that consoles are or will be technically better then pcs.

[Cons Himself]

only a nerd with no life or job only uses his PC just for gaming special-ed

[MuToiD_MaN]

I said rise above it! Rise above the speculation and flaming!

We all know from the e3 experiences of the past that companies make mock-ups that look really convincing as to how far along a game is, and the features a game provides. Something tells me that the final game won't fully deliver what we see in this demo. I don't care what vague, equivocating things game and console reps say that could be interpreted either way, I'm not falling for it.

So let the fanboys have their fun. We can still watch and laugh.

[<RJMC>]

gamespot take on the case

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/20/news_6126204.html

they say that one of they crow talked whit a sony represent or something like that and he say that is in real time

so if he is lying it will not be good for sony

still I dont think a company could make so big mistake (and I dont know about the emotion engine thing)

only time will tell