Whats your country to you?

[15357]

vote!

for some reason, i want to sacrifice myself for my country. :devil:

[Danimal]

The country I live in. I accidently voted "Other"

[Datrix]

A country, that i live in.

[qckbeam]

It's a country; I live in it. My home and everything I know is here, which is worth something. I do hope to expand my horizons with time though. I'm not big on nationalism. If the country were in serious crisis and on the brink of destruction, I would defend it. Otherwise, forget about it.

[Anthraxxx]

I voted Number 2. I live in the United States I truly believe that it would be my duty to defend my country with all that I have. I have great pride in being a citizen of the USA.

[xLostx]

if anyone ever says shit about canada i sure as hell talk back :)

[eatbugs]

Now, lets not forget New Zealand, the home of the Kiwi.

[Alix Mcdean]

I live in it :D

-Alix

[CREMATOR666]

I will defend it with everything I have so that I may play my PC under the roof of my house and post in this forum :D Honor and glory!!!!

[The Monkey]

A country, that i live in.

I would not die for Sweden. The lives of people are more important than the existance of a country.

[Qwert93]

Since Singapore is so small, it is my duty to save her. :sniper:

[CrazyHarij]

It's a country that I live in, pretty much.

And no, I'd not die for Sweden. I don't think I'd even fight for Sweden.

[15357]

not that many patriots around here..........

[Recoil]

not that many patriots around here..........

Better that way :p

I couldn't be, not that I would be regarded bad by foreigners but mostly by my own people...

(btw this thread will be faster in 'politics' than we marched in in Poland*...)

(*politically incorrect joke, as suiting the politics section ;))

[15357]

Better that way :p

I couldn't be, not that I would be regarded bad by foreigners but mostly by my own people...

(btw this thread will be faster in 'politics' than we marched in in Poland*...)

(*politically incorrect joke, as suiting the politics section ;))


oh........

understandable.


now would a nice mod plz move this?

[Danimal]

Done...

[Recoil]

Not yet, but it will turn out into a huge bashing thread... :)

[15357]

Hmm, I don't know if this should be moved.

don't then.

edit: i want huge therad!!!

*cough*

[Ranga]

A place that I live in... but that I might fight for if there was a guarantee of my safety.

<Bombing raid>

/me hides under table

[Calanen]

I live in Australia. I'd prefer to live in the US. Id fight invaders into Australia, depending on who they were and why we were fighting them. I'd fight for the US too.

[15357]

I live in Australia. I'd prefer to live in the US. Id fight invaders into Australia, depending on who they were and why we were fighting them. I'd fight for the US too.

what if

US vs Austrailia?

[KoreBolteR]

i live in it. but if things came to the worst and another country wanted to kill us all, id defend and destroy

[Kangy]

I'd fight for the UK, but only if we were actually in danger (Battle of Britain scenario). Likewise, I'd probably fight for a lot of countries if they were in real danger of being taken. France, Germany, Australia, US and such. But to me, my country is a place I live in. I like some of the people, I like some of the culture and history. Not all of them, not all of it. I'd like to move some day because it'd help me understand the world better.

[kirovman]

I live in Australia. I'd prefer to live in the US. Id fight invaders into Australia, depending on who they were and why we were fighting them. I'd fight for the US too.

Naturalise as a US citizen then. Arnie did it. And I have a friend who could have, but wanted to stay a UK citizen only. Lives back in the UK now.

As for me I would defend the UK if asked, but it's never gonna happen (we have a professional army, not conscripts).

I'd sure as hell kick invaders out of my hometown, even if the invaders happened to be from London :D

But place where I live I guess.

[Farrowlesparrow]

I didn't vote because I don't like the poll, but I'd fight for my country, because my country seems more like an extension of me and my family...
That however, can be said for most of the world, though I do not feel it so strongly.

[Absinthe]

I live in it.

However, under the right circumstances, I'd fight for my country.

[Calanen]

what if

US vs Austrailia?

It would never happen. But in a hypothetical fanstasy scenario, it would depend why and I would decide on the issues and circumstances.

[mortiz]

My country is just a country that I live in. Personally I think patriotism is a bain of humanity.

[Calanen]

Naturalise as a US citizen then. Arnie did it. And I have a friend who could have, but wanted to stay a UK citizen only. Lives back in the UK now.

Its not as easy as saying 'yeah i want to be one' you have to be sponsored by corporation for employment. I lost my job in the USA, and could not get another job. Its hard enough to get a job, but it was impossible for me having the baggage of needing a visa and so on. Most companies also will not sponsor u for a greencard, they keep you on a visa, then u cant leave their employ and if u do u r heading back to your homeland.

I even tried to enlist in the United States Army, did the enlistment test and so on. But, they said they needed to check with battalion command before I could get in, as my circumstances were 'irregular'. in the interim period, my visa with my former employer was finished, meaning I had to leave the USA before the army worked out what it was doing.

There was just no way to do it - unless you are:

1) A Political Asylee or from Cuba;

2) Going to Marry an American for real, or convince an American that its real when you marry her, stay for more than 2 years and then bail OR have a sham marriage with some1 very very very cluey to convince the INS who is willing to live with you for 2 years and not turn you in, and never put a foot wrong when talking to the Feds (thats like 1 in a million people btw);

3) win the greencard lottery - roughly 45,000 greencards per year, over 10 million applicants.

4) Have enough money to get an investors visa - roughly US 100,000 with a good lawyer ( not even close to having that money)

5) Get a corporation to sponsor you for a greencard - to do so you must be in a position where they can prove to the satisfaction of the Dept of Labour that no1 else in the United States can do your job. Big call.

6) Serve honorably in a combat theatre for 6 months in the US military, you are eligible for US citizenship then BUT u cannot join the US Army without a greencard, usually.....

7) Be in a category of employment that has automatic rights to a greencard, such as a distinguished professor, or extraordinary ability (like Arnie for his weightlifting).

8) Be the unmarried son or daughter of a US citizen.

9) Be the unmarried daughter or son of a US greencard holder BUT - the application process takes about 8 years, atm.......to move through the queue. Likely to be longer by the time you get to the end of your queue.

So basically - the options are few, not very realistic, and none of which I could apply for or meet. And to be honest, very few people could.

[JellyWorld]

Since Singapore is so small, it is my duty to save her. :sniper:

Since Singapore is so small, you f*cking run away if anyone attacks you.

[JellyWorld]

My country is just a country that I live in. Personally I think patriotism is a bain of humanity.
I agree.

[Calanen]

Since Singapore is so small, you f*cking run away if anyone attacks you.

Last time it happened, no1 ran away I think - they just surrendered when it was hopeless.

[jimbo118]

how about would you fight for another country,like the spanish civil war,so many volunteers went to fight from all over the world

[Razor]

It's a country; I live in it. My home and everything I know is here, which is worth something. I do hope to expand my horizons with time though. I'm not big on nationalism. If the country were in serious crisis and on the brink of destruction, I would defend it. Otherwise, forget about it.


So you voted for option two then?

edit: I think a lot of people are getting confused, or is it just me? You vote for option 1, yet you would fight for your country if it was ever attacked, so you should of voted for option 2?

I would expect every to fight for their country, perhaps not to save the government, but to save themselves, their home, their family and their friends.

[JellyWorld]

Last time it happened, no1 ran away I think - they just surrendered when it was hopeless.

Basically everyone who could afford to run away did. It's not that easy, considering the fact that japan had taken the whole of Malaya.

[kmack]

the country i live in :cheers:

[Absinthe]

So you voted for option two then?

edit: I think a lot of people are getting confused, or is it just me? You vote for option 1, yet you would fight for your country if it was ever attacked, so you should of voted for option 2?

I would expect every to fight for their country, perhaps not to save the government, but to save themselves, their home, their family and their friends.

I think it depends on what you consider a country to be. I would fight to protect the ones I love and what I hold dear. The preservation of the concept of the United States, however, is something I could care less about.

[Calanen]

Basically everyone who could afford to run away did. It's not that easy, considering the fact that japan had taken the whole of Malaya.

Well clearly the civilians would run away - but we were talking about the armed forces. About 130,000 allied troops were captured. Some got away, but very few.

[Sprafa]

I would fight for the lives of other citizens in need, but not for my country. Never for my country or any other.

[GiaOmerta]

I'd fight for the glory of Rome.
Death before dishonor.

[qckbeam]

So you voted for option two then?



I didn't vote actually :p

[gh0st]

Meh. I'd fight for it, I might even be happy to. I'm not all that idealistic about it though, its just something that needs doing. Defending your country is no different than defending your home. You wouldnt let some foreign asshole take a dump all over your house, so why let them attack your country?

[Bodacious]

I have fought for my country. I have fought for other nations. There is no ifs, ands, or buts, I will fight again if called upon.

[Vorac1ous]

Other, mix of great patriotism\want to kick the crap out of the government. :)

[15357]

don't you people feel grateful for the goverment?

they help us, protect us, educate us, tax us, ect.

[clarky003]

you guys can keep thinking small .... earth is my home and she needs to be kept in good health :)

[oldagerocker]

I'd die for Britain, millions have before me for good cause, if we were ever attacked, say if nazism came around again, i'd be first in the cue to sign up.

[CptStern]

you guys can keep thinking small .... earth is my home and she needs to be kept in good health :)

I agree, my land has no borders ..so all you people in texas "GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN" :E

I'll fight to defend my country but I wont fight for my country ..there's a huge distinction

[qckbeam]

don't you people feel grateful for the goverment?

they help us, protect us, educate us, tax us, ect.

Why are you making it sound like we are in the debt of government? It's not some divine entity handed down to humanity from god. It's something we made, it's something we fund, and it's something we run. The people in government are supposed to serve the will of the citizens. It is their job, and they are given fair payment for it. Those in government were never meant to have a seat above us; they are not our rulers. We are theirs. We have no need to feel as though we are in their debt. I will only ever put my life on the line if this country is in real danger, because it is an extension of my home and I will fight to protect that. Throwing away your life because "government says so" is not honorable, or brave. It's stupid. You owe them nothing.

[pvtbones]

I'll fight to defend my country but I wont fight for my country ..there's a huge distinction


^ what he said

[Stigmata]

^ what he said^ What he said.you guys can keep thinking small .... earth is my home and she needs to be kept in good health :)^ And also what he said.

If only we were all part of one big nation. That would be mighty fine.

[diluted]

I would not die for my country. I'm a wuss. ;(

[Calanen]

Some people say that they would only fight to defend the actual borders of their country. But fighting a war is not so simple these days. What if you know a terrorist is building a nuclear bomb in the middle east, and is intending to go to the USA - just has to pull the ship within a mile of the shore, and detonate the bomb before he clears customs. it would seem silly not to attack the terrorist base that was building the bomb. Threats are everywhere - and sometimes you have to go to them.

[bliink]

Some people say that they would only fight to defend the actual borders of their country. But fighting a war is not so simple these days. What if you know a terrorist is building a nuclear bomb in the middle east, and is intending to go to the USA - just has to pull the ship within a mile of the shore, and detonate the bomb before he clears customs. it would seem silly not to attack the terrorist base that was building the bomb. Threats are everywhere - and sometimes you have to go to them.

True, although, I think the "only if the borders were under attack" argument assumes that the nation itself is facing mortal threat.
A nuke going off at sea (even wiping out a major city) won't constitute mortal threat to a country.

Also, I think a thread I created a while back might be a little interesting here:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48072

[Steve]

Despite my extreme dislike for the current direction of the federal government, I've managed to remain extremely patriotic. I love the United States, and, given the right circumstances, I would fight and die for it.

[eatbugs]

Since I'm the only person on this forum who represents New Zealand I must say that us Kiwi's are a crazy bunch and I would sake my own life for the defence of this great Nation.

[Garfield_]

my country is just a place to live, i dont like it and ill move as soon as possible

[jondy]

my country is just a place to live, i dont like it and ill move as soon as possible

Yeah, I can imagine, you must get a bitch of a smog down in Coruscant :O

[el Chi]

I like Britain, but I wouldn't call myself fiercely patriotic. I feel more allied to London than I do to the UK.
I'd be very happy for us to join an EU superstate.

[Warbie]

The place I live in, and also the place i'm getting out of as soon as I can afford it.

[Razor]

True, although, I think the "only if the borders were under attack" argument assumes that the nation itself is facing mortal threat.
A nuke going off at sea (even wiping out a major city) won't constitute mortal threat to a country.

Also, I think a thread I created a while back might be a little interesting here:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48072

It might not be the nation facing mortal threat, but it would be the people living within 20 - 50 miles of the shoreline. Would you risk your life to help save those families?

[Calanen]

A nuke going off at sea (even wiping out a major city) won't constitute mortal threat to a country.

I think a nuke wiping out Sydney would be a mortal threat, and i'd get on any plane to anywhere to find out who did it and kill them.

[Bodacious]

I think a nuke wiping out Sydney would be a mortal threat, and i'd get on any plane to anywhere to find out who did it and kill them.


Nuclear attacks, especially today's would be a lot more than the initial damage of the explosion. The blast site would be uninhabitable for hundreds of years. The radioactive fallout would give millions of people cancer most likely. The economy would tank. A nuclear attack on any city would be devastating.

[CptStern]

all disputes between nations should be settled by participating in this (http://www.2flashgames.com/f/f-612.htm)

[15357]

Nuclear attacks, especially today's would be a lot more than the initial damage of the explosion. The blast site would be uninhabitable for hundreds of years. The radioactive fallout would give millions of people cancer most likely. The economy would tank. A nuclear attack on any city would be devastating.

actually, it can last only a month to 14,000 years. or, less than a second.

and, before they get cancer, they'll likely die of radiation sickness.


If only we were all part of one big nation. That would be mighty fine.


Yeah, Like the United Earth Directorate in starcraft broodwar.

then, we would only have to fight aliens and not ourselves.

exept some rebels.

[KoreBolteR]

all disputes between nations should be settled by participating in this (http://www.2flashgames.com/f/f-612.htm)

:O much more efficiant!

then we'll see who the real toughest are :rolling:

[Maxi]

Countries come and go, as do people and continents. The world is ever changing, it's natural, why would I want to stop change? Bad things always happend in life, it's inevitable. So why would I give my life so that a few power crazy people could keep their power? All I want to do is live a peacfull and fun life. If there's a war, I'll damn sure run away to peace.

[KoreBolteR]

will the world ever be one!

One Massive country.


i very much doubt it.. but i can see europe being a country one day. tbh

[Razor]

Countries come and go, as do people and continents. The world is ever changing, it's natural, why would I want to stop change? Bad things always happend in life, it's inevitable. So why would I give my life so that a few power crazy people could keep their power? All I want to do is live a peacfull and fun life. If there's a war, I'll damn sure run away to peace.


And what about your family and friends and loved ones, they might not be able to run so fast.

[kmack]

I have fought for my country. I have fought for other nations. There is no ifs, ands, or buts, I will fight again if called upon.

talk about blowing your own horn :|

captain america here will keep us safe :dozey:

[Pogrom]

Countries come and go, as do people and continents. The world is ever changing, it's natural, why would I want to stop change? Bad things always happend in life, it's inevitable. So why would I give my life so that a few power crazy people could keep their power? All I want to do is live a peacfull and fun life. If there's a war, I'll damn sure run away to peace.


I agree - there have been numerous nations, empires, kingdoms, states etc throughout the history of the earth. Eventually, they all crumbled.

But humanity endured. I think (hope and wish) that one day all the world will at least be on the same page when it comes to everyday life. Then there won't be any need to pigeonhole yourself as merely belonging to one country. You'll belong to the whole, and the country you live in will not be more meaningful than the city you live in.

[el Chi]

i very much doubt it.. but i can see europe being a country one day. tbhI look forward to it.
And I don't see that the world will NEVER be one "country".

[CptStern]

sure it will: the United states of Free-topia!!!

ruled over by this guy

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_pope.jpg

[Llama]

sure it will: the United states of Free-topia!!!

ruled over by this guy

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_pope.jpg

Urgh...my ribs :E :E

[Tr0n]

sure it will: the United states of Free-topia!!!

ruled over by this guy

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_pope.jpgDamn't...I want a belt buckle like what he has!

[Ravioli]

seems like alot of swedish people.....we are the biggest gaming community with the biggest lan in the world (Dream hack) :D

Im swedish too....also, hl2 takes place in sweden (the Gas Pumps has swedish letters and money on) also its just LOOK like sweden!!!

[CptStern]

Damn't...I want a belt buckle like what he has!


you cant see it but this is what he's actually wearing:

http://www.noelheikkinen.com/images/belt3.jpg


but on the weekends he wears this:

http://www.kissfaq.com/merchandise/merch_belt_kisslogo.jpg


this is what he wants to wear but Laura wont let him:

http://www.yojoe.com/archive/clothing/images/1982gijoebuckle.jpg

[Tr0n]

Well something like this...

http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/goldmountainmining/initial-belt-buckle-1-180.jpg

or...

http://www.proudcowboy.com/rebel/buckle_rebel_t.jpg
http://www.proudcowboy.com/rebel/buckle_birth_t.jpg

:laugh:

[The Monkey]

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/national/armory18/sweden.jpg

[CptStern]

personally I hope he switches over to this far more appropriate belt buckle:

http://www.imosh.com/BUCKLES/images/BUK16%20BIG.jpg

[trizzm]

my country is the best place in the world and will only get better as we work on getting rid of idiotic liberals at the office who keep cutting scholarships by shots of 100 millions, destroying health care, underfunding public services and moving them towards the private sector and generally just being a bunch of god damned republicans.

that we're not seeing a mini french revolution right now is extrelely curious to me. those mass strikes don't seem to cut it for them. one thing is sure: liberals can not be idiots only in quebec forever and hopefully the rest of canada will finally wake up and their reign will be over sometime in the near future and then we can start working on getting rid of the 100 billion national debt they caused in the trudeau days.

oh wait the conservatives would take over, we're doomed.

[CptStern]

vote NDP, problem solved :)

[bliink]

I don't think a belt-buckle montage is really contributing to this thread... topic please.

[xLostx]

NDP...ha! Conservatives Yes.

[CptStern]

I don't think a belt-buckle montage is really contributing to this thread... topic please.


ok ok but you have to admit it was funny :E

[15357]

ok ok but you have to admit it was funny :E

funny, yes.

off topic, yes.


BACK ON TOPIC

[Korgoth]

A country is a chunk of land to which God may own but man does not, and to which I was born on...

Should I protect this land from other men? Why? Because my government allows me to live with "freedom" by working for the rich until I die? Who are they to decide whats good for me or you? Can't you live at your own pace?

Why should their establishment, become my burden? Why should I be forced to protect them from themselves. I want life, thats all I want.

Country is land, land belongs to no one, everyone wants to die for what they don't even understand. Life is free, freedom is free, anyone who tells you differently only wants to enslave you.

[CptStern]

NDP...ha! Conservatives Yes.

sure, if you like homophobes and self-serving conservative lackeys and american butt kissers ..then PC's your choice

[15357]

sure, if you like homophobes and self-serving conservative lackeys and american butt kissers ..then PC's your choice

it would be better if everything was united in 1 party. you wouldn't have to vote!

[kirovman]

it would be better if everything was united in 1 party. you wouldn't have to vote!

That's what they wanted to do in the Russian Federation a few years ago.

"What a great idea! Merge the opposition party with the current government! Less debate, more progress!"

[CptStern]

it would be better if everything was united in 1 party. you wouldn't have to vote!


ya but then that would be a dictatorship ...which would eventually lead to an invasion by the americans: "Canada has WMD and they're going to use them on freedom loving americans"

[pvtbones]

which would be followed by a global double yeh tee eff?

[CptStern]

heheh


"now watch this drive!"