Homosexuality

[ALEXDJ]

What are you thoughts?

[jondy]

Heh, nuff posting? You're on fire! *votes* By the way, the poll is pretty flawed :|

[ALEXDJ]

Heh, nuff posting? You're on fire! *votes*
at least i'm not flaming

[The Monkey]

I believe that every person chose whether to be hetro, homo or bi. There's nothing abnormal with being homo. Humans are different, so if the world was full of just hetro, I'd know that someting strange was going on.

[ALEXDJ]

There's nothing abnormal with being homo. .
besides the fact that they are attracted to the same sex

[jondy]

What's inherently wrong with that?

[The Monkey]

besides the fact that they are attracted to the same sex

As I said, it would be abnormal if everybody was attracted to the opposite sex.

[Recoil]

...I really wonder why this is a topic people still need to talk about... :upstare:

[The Monkey]

Some bastard voted for all.

[jondy]

Yeah, things are pretty ****ed up right here :O :D

[qckbeam]

It's perfectly normal, their is nothing wrong with it, and it isn't a choice.

[ComradeBadger]

It's perfectly normal, their is nothing wrong with it, and it isn't a choice.
This man is correct.

[PickledGecko]

Agreed.

Also, what do you mean by popular?

[baxter]

It's perfectly normal, their is nothing wrong with it, and it isn't a choice.


agreed

[ALEXDJ]

As I said, it would be abnormal if everybody was attracted to the opposite sex.
i agree, but then wouldn't it make it normal,

[ALEXDJ]

Agreed.

Also, what do you mean by popular?
modern culture made it popular to be gay and thinks that it's uncool to say shit agains them

[ALEXDJ]

ok, here it goes, i personally think that one part of homosexuals are mentally ill people (maybe abused during childhood, or something like that), and the other part is a bunch of pervs. bisexuals are defenetly pervs if you think about it

[baxter]

ok, here it goes, i personally think that one part of homosexuals are mentally ill people (maybe abused during childhood, or something like that), and the other part is a bunch of pervs. bisexuals are defenetly pervs if you think about it



Are you joking or just trying to wind people up?

[CptStern]

sigh ...homosexuality hasnt been a "mental" disease since the 70's. It's not a disorder, it's not a choice ..it just ...is

[ALEXDJ]

Are you joking or just trying to wind people up?
i am dead serios, i think our culture lost it's morals, and became to accepting towards ubnormal sex,

i mean, i am not going to tell gays that they can not be gay, but i wouldn't encourege them

what's next, TV series about necrophiliacs or "pedophile eye for a normal guy"

[ALEXDJ]

but, come on, don't you think it's logical to say that bisexuals are just perv.?

[AJ Rimmer]

but, come on, don't you think it's logical to say that bisexuals are just perv.?
No. No, I don't.

[ComradeBadger]

Congratualtions - you're a bigot.

[ALEXDJ]

if you are homosexual you are attracted to same sex, discusted by oppiset sex
heterosexual are attracted to oppiset sex, discusted by same sex

bisexuals... not discusted by anything

[qckbeam]

if you are homosexual you are attracted to same sex, discusted by oppiset sex
heterosexual are attracted to oppiset sex, discusted by same sex

bisexuals... not discusted by anything

Sexuality isn't quite so black and white for most people.

[ALEXDJ]

Sexuality isn't quite so black and white for most people.
really? so "most" straight guys are a little gay? is that what you are saying?


on the other hand, u are right, it's not quite so b&w, but still, usually a straight guy is discusted by a view of two man makeing out

[baxter]

if you are homosexual you are attracted to same sex, discusted by oppiset sex
heterosexual are attracted to oppiset sex, discusted by same sex

bisexuals... not discusted by anything



stop, mate just stop.

[qckbeam]

really? so "most" straight guys are a little gay? is that what you are saying?

I'm saying it's very rare to find someone who is 100% gay or straight. Most people just fall close to what they identify themselves as. Some people land right in the middle, finding both men and women attractive.

[ALEXDJ]

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/kissing.jpg


tell me if you like what you see

[qckbeam]

Erm...ok

[ALEXDJ]

I'm saying it's very rare to find someone who is 100% gay or straight. Most people just fall close to what they identify themselves as. Some people land right in the middle, finding both men and women attractive.

hey, you should have quoted my "on the other hand" comment

[Tr0n]

Hell I'm hetero but I ain't afraid to say if a guy is hawt or cute or whatever.

It's called being secure with your sexuality...also my vote is option 4.

[baxter]

I'm leaving this thread you are an idiot and a bigot.

[ALEXDJ]

I'm leaving this thread you are an idiot and a bigot.
see ya, sweety

[ALEXDJ]

Hell I'm hetero but I ain't afraid to say if a guy is hawt or cute or whatever.

.
can i send you my pic. and you tell me if i'm cute or not?


ps

stop flipping me off

[jimbo118]

It's perfectly normal, their is nothing wrong with it, and it isn't a choice.
ditto,love is love you homo............phobe

@alex

[Tr0n]

can i send you my pic. and you tell me if i'm cute or not?


ps

stop flipping me offThats a weird question...mmmmm...I don't even know how to respond to that.

Sure I guess.

[jimbo118]

what's next, "pedophile eye for a normal guy"
so gays are paedophiles? :dozey:

[baxter]

see ya, sweety

I apologies was just going when I saw you ever so snooty remark.
I take it by your stereo type remark you assume I am gay?

[ALEXDJ]

so gays are paedophiles? :dozey:
oh my ... freaken read the posts complitly, don't twist my words

[ALEXDJ]

ditto,love is love you homo............phobe

@alex

u are right, love is love

sexual attraction is not love

[ALEXDJ]

I apologies was just going when I saw you ever so snooty remark.
I take it by your stereo type remark you assume I am gay?
i thought u were leaving

[baxter]

I explained my reason to stay answer the question

[ALEXDJ]

I explained my reason to stay answer the question
don't get mad, it's just every time i hang out with one of my homosexual friends (i know at lease 4 i can think right now), they mostly talk about sick shit, and are extrimly sexual most of the times

once again, i don't really care if you are gay or not
but i don't think it should be encoureged
i mean, look at it, media LOVES gay (most of the times gay men, they a more fun then lesbians), and sort of promots homosexuality, and i think that's wrong

and homosexual marrage is defenetly a wrong idea, 100%

[Lucid]

Homosexuals are fine...as long as they don't
a) Hit on me at all.
b) Have kids.

[Tr0n]

don't get mad, it's just every time i hang out with one of my homosexual friends (i know at lease 4 i can think right now), they mostly talk about sick shit, and are extrimly sexual most of the times

once again, i don't really care if you are gay or not
but i don't think it should be encoureged
i mean, look at it, media LOVES gay (most of the times gay men, they a more fun then lesbians), and sort of promots homosexuality, and i think that's wrong

and homosexual marrage is defenetly a wrong idea, 100%Funny...I have a gay cousin and he doesn't do that.He has that stereotypical gay voice, but if he didn't you wouldn't really know he was.

[baxter]

I'm not getting mad, simply amused by your assumptions.
For the record I am not gay I am a married with three lovely children.
Off down the pub now and leave you to argue your corner.
BTY I have a large circle of friends, some of which are gay. They don't talk sick shit and one of my best friends, who is gay happens to my first Childs god father.
See you later sweetie when I'm pissed.

[Kangy]

but, come on, don't you think it's logical to say that bisexuals are just perv.?

A hearty well done. This post manages to actually annoy me more than anything gh0st, Seinfeld or Calanen have ever posted. Have you ever considered that people are different to you? That they have different standards, that they have had different experiences in their life? I guess there may be a bisexual pervert out there (more than likely, really) but I'm pretty sure there are also bisexual fathers, mothers, leaders, civil rights activists, soldiers, typists, workists. Heck, you name it. I bet there's a bisexual doing that job.

[satch919]

don't get mad, it's just every time i hang out with one of my homosexual friends (i know at lease 4 i can think right now), they mostly talk about sick shit, and are extrimly sexual most of the times

once again, i don't really care if you are gay or not
but i don't think it should be encoureged
i mean, look at it, media LOVES gay (most of the times gay men, they a more fun then lesbians), and sort of promots homosexuality, and i think that's wrong

and homosexual marrage is defenetly a wrong idea, 100%

Why couldn't this stay in the other thread? We've been over this already. A lot of us are just going to rehash the same stuff over and over again.

You hang out with your homosexual friends huh? Im guessing that you're hetero, right? Did you ever think that they were just trying to get a rise out of you since you're hetero?

You say that you don't care if someone's gay or not but yet you are against them getting married? I thought you didn't care.

Promoting homosexuality?! :laugh: You make it sound like watching a program with a gay guy will turn you gay. Dude, if you're straight then you don't have anything to worry about. Its not like its a virus or something.

Seeing the way that you talk about homosexuals, I find it hard to believe that you have any as friends.

Homosexual marriage is the wrong idea huh? Heterosexual couples can't even keep it together these days. The divorce rate hovers around 50%. Maybe marriage as a whole is a bad idea huh?

[The Mullinator]

If you don't think homosexuality is a normal human thing then simply look at ancient Greece. Take a look at a map of the mediterranean, you should be able to find an island off the coast of Greece called "Lesbos". That island recieved its name back during the time of the ancient Greek civilization and I bet you can guess now where the word "lesbian" comes from.

However that is not really the best example, ancient Greeks were known to have very homosexual tendencies and it was looked at as being perfectly normal for them.

Can you tell me what is so bad about it? Is it because the bible says marriage is between a man and a woman? Is it because biologically we were designed to be with the opposite sex? Is it because you simply feel uncomfortable so you assume it must be wrong?

By the way, ever think about why guys enjoy seeing lesbians? Couldn't you make an assumption from that that maybe since guys don't feel uncomfortable seeing two lesbians that maybe it means humans really don't have that hard of a time accepting homosexuality?

[ALEXDJ]

gay marrege is wrong because marrage is a foundation for the human society

[ALEXDJ]

Heterosexual couples can't even keep it together these days. The divorce rate hovers around 50%. Maybe marriage as a whole is a bad idea huh?
don't make it right for gay marrage though, it's a whole different issue

[The Mullinator]

gay marrege is wrong because marrage is a foundation for the human society
Its not sacred though is it? Its only real use is to give us an excuse to propagate. Sure it is really the main requirement in society for propagation but why limit it to those who are straight? Its not going to cause fewer people to get married if gays are allowed to marry and its certainly not going to cause a drop in the birth rate.

[Bodacious]

Personally I disagree with homosexuality and I don't think it is any different than necrophelia, pedophelia or beastiality. Keep reading.

HOWEVER, I also believe people have a right to live their life how they choose and I am not going to tell someone else how to live. I would welcome a homosexual into my community just as I would anyone else.

[$kelet0r]

Is it...?
I thought human interaction and interdependence was the basis for human society
guess i must be wrong
personally i've nothing against homosexuality - frankly if it doesn't affect me its none of my damn business - personal liberties, freedom of association and expression and such
The way Alexdj talks you'd think that gays suddenly appeared for the first time in the last 20 years.
Sexuality is determined by your genes - your environment only affects how those genes manifest themselves in a persons actions

[ALEXDJ]

Its not sacred though is it? Its only real use is to give us an excuse to propagate. Sure it is really the main requirement in society for propagation but why limit it to those who are straight? Its not going to cause fewer people to get married if gays are allowed to marry and its certainly not going to cause a drop in the birth rate.
it is sacred

[ALEXDJ]

ok, i'm sorry for thinking that (pardon my words for the next line) sticking your dick in an another guy's hole, where the shit comes out, is sick and wrong

[Bodacious]

As far as gay marriage goes, some divorce lawyers will be doubling their income. I bet you won't find a single divorce lawyer supporting a ban on gay marriages.

[jimbo118]

u are right, love is love

sexual attraction is not love
so being gay isnt about being in love with another person too?only straight people can be in love,what age are you as a matter of fact?

[$kelet0r]

Sacred huh?
Ahh good ol' religion to the rescue - the eternal spring of logic
sorry for the sarcasm alexdj but it looks like you made this poll to have your own predijuces confirmed only to have them thrown back in your face by more open minded people
the way it should be really

[jimbo118]

Personally I disagree with homosexuality and I don't think it is any different than necrophelia, pedophelia or beastiality. Keep reading.

HOWEVER, I also believe people have a right to live their life how they choose and I am not going to tell someone else how to live. I would welcome a homosexual into my community just as I would anyone else.
jesus christ how is homosexuality like paedophilia?

[Shippi]

I don't see what's so bad about it. It's not causing any harm. I don't see how you can think all gays/bi's are perverts either o_0

[ALEXDJ]

jesus christ how is homosexuality like paedophilia?
sexual abnormality relationship

[ALEXDJ]

I don't see what's so bad about it. It's not causing any harm.
or is it?

[jimbo118]

sexual abnormality relationship
im not even going to bother

[qckbeam]

or is it?

Oh Jesus Christ, what are you on about with this thread? You've yet to make a single argument. Was there any purpose to this at all?

[PvtRyan]

Personally I disagree with homosexuality and I don't think it is any different than necrophelia, pedophelia or beastiality. Keep reading.

HOWEVER, I also believe people have a right to live their life how they choose and I am not going to tell someone else how to live. I would welcome a homosexual into my community just as I would anyone else.

You welcome them in your community (wouldn't wanna be there though) yet you compare them to people who screw corpses and molest children? I'm sure they'll appreciate that. Those are people who actually hurt other people.
First you insult them, then you try to say something that makes it up.

And you disagreep with it? How the hell can you disagree with it? It's like me saying that I disagree with black people, about their choice to be black.
It's not a choice, it's not a fad, history shows it, nature shows it.



Oh Jesus Christ, what are you on about with this thread? You've yet to make a single argument. Was there any purpose to this at all?

Don't you see it qck? With your sinful lifestyle, which you obviously chose, you'll make Jebus and God smite humanity!

[ALEXDJ]

so being gay isnt about being in love with another person too?only straight people can be in love,what age are you as a matter of fact?
i think love is over used and abused

i think there is only one kind on love, it's something i you can't find, and you can't loose

don't mistaken attraction for love

dont age discriminate

[jimbo118]

Sacred huh?
Ahh good ol' religion to the rescue - the eternal spring of logic
sorry for the sarcasm alexdj but it looks like you made this poll to have your own predijuces confirmed only to have them thrown back in your face by more open minded people
the way it should be really
never noticed you b4 man,from dublin eh? ;)

[PvtRyan]

i think love is over used and abused

i think there is only one kind on love, it's something i you can't find, and you can't loose

don't mistaken attraction for love

dont age discriminate

So gay people only think they are in love, but are in fact shallow people who go purely for looks (those hairy sweaty man looks... :dozey: )

[The Mullinator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

The definitions of what marriage is have a huge amount of variation between cultures and between the past and the present. Its so far from universal that I have to say unless you are going to submit and find only one particular religions idea of marriage in one particular time period as sacred then you might as well take any other ideas of marriage from any other religion and declare them an affront to the definition of marriage as well.

Heck you might as well declare millions of marriages from previous parts of human history all over the world invalid.

[$kelet0r]

or is it what?
Let me get this you find someone elses sexuality - something they have no control over - offensive, yet you proudly have the hammer and sickle of the most depraved, evil and sick dictatorial regime to have ever existed on earth as your avatar
The hypocrisy is mind-blowing, disgusting and downright ridiculous really

And you actually have no right to say another word in this thread if you have any honour at all after that little bit of hypocrisy

[jondy]

dont age discriminate

Don't discriminate at all. Is this thread still going? :O

[PickledGecko]

modern culture made it popular to be gay and thinks that it's uncool to say shit agains themI kind of agree with that statement, but I believe you’re implying that if something is popular others will convert. I don’t agree with that. I think it’s good that gay people are now accepted for what they are, people who prefer sex with people of the same gender.

ok, here it goes, i personally think that one part of homosexuals are mentally ill people (maybe abused during childhood, or something like that), and the other part is a bunch of pervs. bisexuals are defenetly pervs if you think about itGeneral feeling today is that sexuality is neither black and white, nor set in stone. Some people who have a hetro relationship and then divorce and adopt a homo lifestyle (or vice versa) are not necessarily “repressed” and merely feel strong hetro feelings early in life and change preference later in life (or vice versa). On a side note, sexuality also changes severity throughout life, some people at certain stages in life don’t have any sexual feelings at all.

i am dead serios, i think our culture lost it's morals, and became to accepting towards ubnormal sexI agree, people have become more accepting of minorities, but I don’t see that as a bad thing.

what's next, TV series about necrophiliacs or "pedophile eye for a normal guy"Does the phrase “consenting adults” mean anything to you? I don’t think anybody who condones homosexuality would condone necrophilia or paedophilia. You may associate them within the “perversions” category but they are far from the same thing.

if you are homosexual you are attracted to same sex, discusted by oppiset sex
heterosexual are attracted to oppiset sex, discusted by same sex

bisexuals... not discusted by anythingI think you are the one who has the problem with sex. I am not “disgusted” by homosexual sex; it does nothing for me, good or bad. “Normal” people don’t define themselves by what disgusts them but by what turns them on.

Did you know that the ability to be disgusted exists in all of us from birth, but the things we are disgusted by are learned?

don't get mad, it's just every time i hang out with one of my homosexual friends (i know at lease 4 i can think right now), they mostly talk about sick shit, and are extrimly sexual most of the times

once again, i don't really care if you are gay or not
but i don't think it should be encoureged
i mean, look at it, media LOVES gay (most of the times gay men, they a more fun then lesbians), and sort of promots homosexuality, and i think that's wrong

and homosexual marrage is defenetly a wrong idea, 100%
They don’t talk that way because they’re gay, some hetro people talk about sick, highly sexual things too. The media creates and enforces stereotypes all the time, you ever see a sit-com that doesn’t have a fat bloke married to a sexy slim woman. How often do you see that in real life? Do you believe that makes fat people believe they are sexy? As for “promoting” homosexuality, put it this way, has TV made you want to become homosexual?

[Foxtrot]

I don't see what is so right about 2 guys having sex, and what is so wrong with a guy having sex with a willing child. What is the difference?

[jimbo118]

i think love is over used and abused

i think there is only one kind on love, it's something i you can't find, and you can't loose

don't mistaken attraction for love

dont age discriminate
something you cant find,cant loose,eh ok?do you have any coherent arguments?also what are you on about 'dont mistake attraction for love',i'll say it again,you believe gay people cant fall in love with 1 another

[Shippi]

So, ALEXDJ, why can't gay people fall in love with one another?

[Murray_H]

Homosexuals are fine...as long as they don't
a) Hit on me at all.

I used to think like this. Until I realised - homosexual people don't fancy every member of the opposite sex. Just because you are male does not mean a gay man wants to grab you and kiss you, just like how you don't want to grab and kiss every female you see (sorry for a male orientated view, but judging by previous polls on forum demography I think it will apply to most people :p)

[jondy]

I don't see what is so right about 2 guys having sex, and what is so wrong with a guy having sex with a willing child. What is the difference?

The difference is evident in the question. One's a legal adult, the other is a child.

What two consenting adults get up to in their own rooms is none of your business

[$kelet0r]

"I don't see what is so right about 2 guys having sex, and what is so wrong with a guy having sex with a willing child. What is the difference?"

Woah there is no right or wrong about sex between consenting adults
But in human society a child is not fully developed mentally or physically until the late teens and surely that entitles a child to all the protection that society can give
so bullshit is gay sex the equivalent of paedophilia because paedophilia is wrong wrong wrong but gay sex is just sex between 2 people who if u are not one of them does not concern u in any way

[The Mullinator]

I don't see what is so right about 2 guys having sex, and what is so wrong with a guy having sex with a willing child. What is the difference?
Well first of all can you tell me what the similarities are? Because aside from the fact that both are illegal in some states I don't see what any possible similarities could be.

[Foxtrot]

The difference is evident in the question. One's a legal adult, the other is a child.

What two consenting adults get up to in their own rooms is none of your business
Legal is just a term defined by society and law, so in a sense homosexuality is illegal. Some similarites are: Both are abnormal, you can not get a guy pregnate by "blowing a load" in his ass, you also can't get young girls pregnat (depending on age). So if anything, having sex with children is more normal than having same gender sex.

[Feath]

For someone with the hammer and sickle as your avatar, you're rather right wing.

Sexual preference is just a preference. You wouldn't call anyone strange or morally wrong because they didn't like Star Trek. You would think "oh well, I like it a lot". Why would people finding people of the same sex. You could argue that it's against nature, but then again dogs are against nature. Farming is against nature. Medicine is against nature.

[$kelet0r]

Is homosexuality not alos defined by society because it wouldn't exist if human society didn't exist
and how is having sex with a preteen child in any way normal
geez this is all very worrying
You are saying that well if 2 consenting adults can do whatever they want in their private lives then its ok for anyone to do anything they want to - disturbing logic
so what it boils down to is that u are disgusted by the act of gay sex itself and nothing else regardless of personal freedoms, love, nature....
Man u are very very insecure about your sexuality

[PickledGecko]

People, today and historically, don’t always have sex just to have children. A sex drive and the eventual ejaculation is pleasurable, and throughout history people have engaged in sex or masturbation purely for the good feeling. Look at the way people behave as soon as contraception become available, the same amount of sex but with much smaller families. There is nothing wrong with enjoying an orgasm, even if it does not result in a pregnancy (unless your religion forbids it, but it’s your religion and has no bearing on anyone else).

As far a sex with children is concerned, pre-pubescent children do not have an adult sex drive. They can only be “willing” if the adult in question uses paedophile “tricks”. Such as, threats on them or their family or emotional blackmail, i.e. “Why won’t you do this, don’t you love me?” Even then, a “willing” child does not mean the child is enjoying it. I have never heard of a child who was molested and said they didn’t care or enjoyed it. All children describe some sort of coping mechanism that exists in humans to cope with severe psychological trauma, such as “disembodying” their mind and pretending they are watching the abuse happen to their body from, say the ceiling.

How anybody can say that abusing a child is the same as 2 consenting male adults engaging in sex boggles my mind.

[ALEXDJ]

you proudly have the hammer and sickle of the most depraved, evil and sick dictatorial regime to have ever existed on earth as your avatar


communism is "most depraved, evil and sick dictatorial regime"?

watch what you post

why do u assume that it's "proudly", maybe it a joke (sort of)?

[ALEXDJ]

How anybody can say that abusing a child is the same as 2 consenting male adults engaging in sex boggles my mind.
once again, it nowhere near being the same, but it's the same in the way of abnormal sexual activity

[qckbeam]

I don't see what is so right about 2 guys having sex, and what is so wrong with a guy having sex with a willing child. What is the difference?

An eight year old boy can not be called a "willing" participant in sex with a forty year old man. An eight year old is not in possesion of a fully developed adult brain, and is not capable of understanding what sex is. You obviously don't have the slightest goddamn clue just what sexual abuse can do to a person. It ruins your ability to put trust in other people, it ruins your ability to become intimate with another, it ruins your self-esteem. You become depressed because of it, you dream about it, you have flashbacks. You end up feeling like a worthless piece of shit because some disgusting excuse for a human being decided it would be fun to coax you into sex, or physically force you into it.

[jondy]

once again, it nowhere near being the same, but it's the same in the way of abnormal sexual activity

'It nowhere near being the same'.

Reckon you just answered your previous question

[ALEXDJ]

For someone with the hammer and sickle as your avatar, you're rather right wing.

Sexual preference is just a preference. You wouldn't call anyone strange or morally wrong because they didn't like Star Trek. You would think "oh well, I like it a lot". Why would people finding people of the same sex. You could argue that it's against nature, but then again dogs are against nature. Farming is against nature. Medicine is against nature.

i'm not any wing, second, it's my right to think and say that homosexuality is an abnormal sexual practice, that i don't agree with



let me ask all of you a question

let's say your SON comes up to you and says "Daddy (or Mommy), I really don't know who i am attracted more, men or women, who do you think i should be attracted to more (if i am a boy)."

now, please, be complitly honest, and don't fix your answer in order to prove me and couple other people wrong

[Tr0n]

Like I suggested in a previous thread...


Lets all have hawt man sechs and see what the whole fuss is about. :D

[ALEXDJ]

An eight year old boy can not be called a "willing" participant in sex with a forty year old man. An eight year old is not in possesion of a fully developed adult brain, and is not capable of understanding what sex is. You obviously don't have the slightest goddamn clue just what sexual abuse can do to a person. It ruins your ability to put trust in other people, it ruins your ability to become intimate with another, it ruins your self-esteem. You become depressed because of it, you dream about it, you have flashbacks. You end up feeling like a worthless piece of shit because some disgusting excuse for a human being decided it would be fun to coax you into sex, or physically force you into it.

good point, but let's drop the connection between child molestation and homosexuality

ps
to everybody

[jondy]

let me ask all of you a question

let's say your SON comes up to you and says "Daddy (or Mommy), I really don't know who i am attracted more, men or women, who do you think i should be attracted to more (if i am a boy)."

now, please, be complitly honest, and don't fix your answer in order to prove me and couple other people wrong

You're making the mistake of assuming that homosexuality is a choice. For the most part it's not.

EDIT: It was the anti-gay people that bought up the connection between child molestation and homosexuality... don't back away from what you thought was a coherent argument unless you admit you're wrong

[Murray_H]

let's say your SON comes up to you and says "Daddy (or Mommy), I really don't know who i am attracted more, men or women, who do you think i should be attracted to more (if i am a boy)."

now, please, be complitly honest, and don't fix your answer in order to prove me and couple other people wrong

I think any good parent would tell their kid it's up to them who they find attractive.

[ALEXDJ]

something you cant find,cant loose,eh ok?do you have any coherent arguments?also what are you on about 'dont mistake attraction for love',i'll say it again,you believe gay people cant fall in love with 1 another
ok, my PERSONAL (key word) believe, is that you can't fall in love

see the way they i look at it

when you "fall in love" you want to be with that person

"want to"(key word) - something that is far from love

i think love is when you don't "want" anything, you just love
as i said, there is only ONE LOVE, the same love for your mother, for your wife(if you love her), for your God... it's all but One Feeling, One Love







Phrase from an art work:
"When we used to be lovers, I loved you with all my heart."

[qckbeam]

good point, but let's drop the connection between child molestation and homosexuality

ps
to everybody

I was explaining to Foxtrot just how backwards his way of thinking was, so waht do you mean by telling me "but let's drop the connection child molestation and homosexuality"? You brought this angle up.

[ALEXDJ]

I think any good parent would tell their kid it's up to them who they find attractive.
dude, part of the question is that the kid is confused, HE doesn't know.

[ALEXDJ]

You're making the mistake of assuming that homosexuality is a choice. For the most part it's not.

EDIT: It was the anti-gay people that bought up the connection between child molestation and homosexuality... don't back away from what you thought was a coherent argument unless you admit you're wrong

so, you can't anwenser my question?

[Murray_H]

dude, part of the question is that the kid is confused, HE doesn't know.

Well no-one can decide for him, and if he thinks he likes both sexes equally then I guess he's bisexual. And there's nothing wrong with that!

[qckbeam]

dude, part of the question is that the kid is confused, HE doesn't know.

So you sit them down and say something like "This is a confusing and difficult part of life for everyone. My advice to you is this- don't worry about it. Your sexuality is a small part of who you are and will clear itself up as you grow older. There is no rush to define yourself, and there is no right or wrong answer. Whatever conclusions you come to just know that your mother and I will always love you, and you'll always be our son."

[gh0st]

ditto,love is love you homo............phobe

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?

Fact is, homosexuality goes against any evolutionary principle ever. We breed to reproduce. Things are set up in that way. Homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Imagine if everybody was gay. We'd be absolutely ****ed as a species. Does this make sense? I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle.

[ALEXDJ]

Well no-one can decide for him, and if he thinks he likes both sexes equally then I guess he's bisexual. And there's nothing wrong with that!
So, You would tell your little kid: "Well, son, since you can't deside, you should have relationships with both girls and guys."

Being complitly honest, that is what you would tell your kid, right?

i'm not judging you by any means, so be cool

[Feath]

i'm not any wing, second, it's my right to think and say that homosexuality is an abnormal sexual practice, that i don't agree with



let me ask all of you a question

let's say your SON comes up to you and says "Daddy (or Mommy), I really don't know who i am attracted more, men or women, who do you think i should be attracted to more (if i am a boy)."

now, please, be complitly honest, and don't fix your answer in order to prove me and couple other people wrong

I'd say "Son, you're a bit too young to ask that. Come back when you call me 'dad'. By by then you'll probably know if you are attracted to women or men".

[ALEXDJ]

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?

Fact is, homosexuality goes against any evolutionary principle ever. We breed to reproduce. Things are set up in that way. Homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Imagine if everybody was gay. We'd be absolutely ****ed as a species. Does this make sense? I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle.

love and sex, have very little connection (at least in my world)

[qckbeam]

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?

Fact is, homosexuality goes against any evolutionary principle ever. We breed to reproduce. Things are set up in that way. Homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Imagine if everybody was gay. We'd be absolutely ****ed as a species. Does this make sense? I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle.

You can't love an animal in the same way you can love a human being simply because it is not human. Love is something that needs to be given and gotten. A horse can not show you "love" in the way another human can. A horse can show affection for you if you you take care of it, and are kind to it.

Sexual love for a child is harmful to that child, as I explained before. It's impossible for a child to grasp the concept of sex, and it has horrible after-effects. An adult that would do this to a child lusts after them, it's the furthest thing from love there is.

[The Monkey]

The EDIT button is there for a reason.

I disagree with many of you. I think that homosexuality is a choise, one that everybody makes, whether you're aware of it or not. I don't think you're born with it, but rather develops it as you grow and mature. If they live in a society where it's alright to be gay, they will have a better time develop it, but if they live in a society that does, they will try to adapt to the "ideal".

[Feath]

love and sex, have very little connection (at least in my world)

Sex and you have very little connexion.

Bom bom tish.

[gh0st]

You can't love an animal in the same way you can love a human being simply because it is not human. Love is something that needs to be given and gotten. A horse can not show you "love" in the way another human can. A horse could show affection.
Sexual love for a child is harmful to that child, as I explained before. It's impossible for a child to grasp the concept of sex, and it has horrible after-effects. An adult that would do this to a child lusts after them, it's the furthest thing from love there is.
You cant prove any of what you just said. Can you prove my girlfriend loves me? Can you prove my mom loves me? Can you prove my cat loves me? Who are you to judge?

[Kangy]

i'm not any wing, second, it's my right to think and say that homosexuality is an abnormal sexual practice, that i don't agree with



let me ask all of you a question

let's say your SON comes up to you and says "Daddy (or Mommy), I really don't know who i am attracted more, men or women, who do you think i should be attracted to more (if i am a boy)."

now, please, be complitly honest, and don't fix your answer in order to prove me and couple other people wrong

I'd say that it's not up to me to decide things for them, as they're not me, and they should find it in themselves, or think about it in time if they can't. I'd tell them I'd accept whatever they chose, because they'd be my children, and I'd love them no matter what they wanted to do with their lives.

[Mr Stabby]

I dont see why you should think you should have the right to dictate to adults what they want to do if it does not harm others.

I also think its funny how so many homophbic people have nothing against lesbians

[qckbeam]

You cant prove any of what you just said. Can you prove my girlfriend loves me? Can you prove my mom loves me? Can you prove my cat loves me? Who are you to judge?

I can tell you that a cat, while it can show affection for its owners, is not capable of loving you in the way a human being can, at least by my definition of love. My dog for example: She doesn't love me in the way my parents love me. She is affectionate towards me. I take care of her. I feed her, take her for walks, and play with her. I'm very fond of her. But she only shows me affection because I'm her care-giver, she just isn't capable of understanding anything beyond that, and I'm certain she has no concept of love unconditionally. If I were mean to her, and she had someone else to feed her, pet her, and play with her, she'd leave without thinking twice. As for your mom or girlfriend, I have no idea who they are, but since they are human beings I'd say they are capable of human love.

[gh0st]

I can tell you that a cat, while it can show affection for its owners, is not capable of loving you in the way a human being can, at least by my definition of love. As for your mom or girlfriend, I have no idea who they are, but since they are human beings they are capable of human love.
Ok, so if I love my mom and she loves me, should that be ok?

By love I'm talking about sexual attraction. How is homosexuality ok, and that isnt?

[willyd]

I'd say "Son, you're a bit too young to ask that. Come back when you call me 'dad'. By by then you'll probably know if you are attracted to women or men".

Im not gonna lie, that was by far the best answer I've heard.

[The Monkey]

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?

Fact is, homosexuality goes against any evolutionary principle ever. We breed to reproduce. Things are set up in that way. Homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Imagine if everybody was gay. We'd be absolutely ****ed as a species. Does this make sense? I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle.

You know, in one blow I lost all the respect for you. We, as the human race, are since long far beyond the simple laws of nature. We have developed many different ways of life. Humans ditters on all fronts of society, including the sexual one.

It's against the "evolutionary principle" to save lives by medicine, by settle on other other places. It was against the evolutionary principle to climb down from the trees, it was against the evolutionary principle to leave africa. It's against the evolutionary principle to care about other people, since only one own's life is important. The very progress of humanity is against evolutionary principle.

Good night.

[Tr0n]

You cant prove any of what you just said. Can you prove my girlfriend loves me? Can you prove my mom loves me? Can you prove my cat loves me? Who are you to judge?Nah...your gf is probally cheating on you, your mom considers you a red headed step child, and your cat wants to kill you in your sleep.

:D


J/k! I <3 you gh0st.Not the gay I want to be your lover kind of love tho...


But I still don't see how being gay is not normal since it's been around since the dawn of man.Also you need to read that post gh0st....who are you to judge who loves who?So what if a man loves another man or a women loves another women sexually?Hell do you look at lesbian porn?Most guys do...

[gh0st]

Nah...your gf is probally cheating on you, your mom considers you a red headed step child, and your cat wants to kill you in your sleep.

:D


J/k I <3 you gh0st.Not the gay I want to be your lover kind of love tho...


But I still don't see how being gay is not normal since it's been around since the dawn of man.Also you need to read that post gh0st....who are you to judge who loves love?So what if a man loves another man or a women loves another women sexually?Hell do you look at lesbian porn?Most guys do...
I hope she is, I hate that bitch. Both of them!!

I'm not one to judge love, but neither is anybody else. I'm willing to stick with the status quo of men+women. I find homosexuality unnatural and grossly backwards in thinking. Lesbian porn... no, actually I try to avoid that. Unless they are making out, then its hot. But we all know lesbians are ugly anyway :rolleyes: (yes, stereotyping, I'm just kidding).

You know, in one blow I lost all the respect for you. We, as the human race, are since long far beyond the simple laws of nature. We have developed many different ways of life. Humans ditters on all fronts of society, including the sexual one.
I hope I can regain your respect, it means so much to me :upstare: If you loes respect for people based upon their opinion, your respect means nothing to me.

Humans do indeed "ditter" in many respects. We are, however, all still human, and there are certain things that all humans have in common. That it is 'right' (in MY and many others opinion) for men to love women, etc.

It's against the "evolutionary principle" to save lives by medicine, by settle on other other places. It was against the evolutionary principle to climb down from the trees, it was against the evolutionary principle to leave africa. It's against the evolutionary principle to care about other people, since only one own's life is important. The very progress of humanity is against evolutionary principle.

What? Evolution means MOVING FORWARD, by gaining tactile skills and intelligence. All of those things are moving forward. If we had your definition of evolution we'd be living in trees still? Holy dog shit, thank you Darwin!

[Lemonking]

I dont mind
as long as the gays leave me alone
did you guys know that there are only pretty lesbians in pron not in real life?

[Foxtrot]

I dont mind
as long as the gays leave me alone
did you guys know that there are only pretty lesbians in pron not in real life?
Yah, there is a HUGE difference between porn lesbians and real life ones, I know a few IRL...

[Lemonking]

Yah, there is a HUGE difference between porn lesbians and real life ones, I know a few IRL...

I know 2 Lesbos there so ugly that I think that they only became lesbians cuz there so friggin ugly and couldnt get a boy friend

[Mr Stabby]

I
did you guys know that there are only pretty lesbians in pron not in real life?

;( nooooooooo :cheese:

[Foxtrot]

I know 2 Lesbos there so ugly that I think that they only became lesbians cuz there so friggin ugly and couldnt get a boy friend
Haha same, the one I know cuts herself for attention. It is actually more of scratching than cutting, as she has about 200 cuts on her arms and thighs.

[Kangy]

You are both despicable. Have fun being heartless bastards.

[Feath]

I know a girl that was a lesbian for a while and she was a rather attractive lap dancer.

[Lemonking]

You are both despicable. Have fun being heartless bastards.

wtf does despicable mean?

[oldagerocker]

Haha same, the one I know cuts herself for attention. It is actually more of scratching than cutting, as she has about 200 cuts on her arms and thighs.
I'm going to ignore that. I implore you stfu pretty quick. :sleep:


There's nothing wrong with homosexuals, they are just like you and me.

[Kangy]

wtf does despicable mean?


"de·spic·a·ble
adj.
Deserving of contempt or scorn; vile."

[Foxtrot]

I'm going to ignore that. I implore you stfu pretty quick. :sleep:


There's nothing wrong with homosexuals, they are just like you and me.
Where did I say there was somthing wrong with them in there? Good job making stuff up, you are quite good at it.

[Tr0n]

Hell my mom is bisexual and she was a model.

[KoreBolteR]

Alex.. homosexuality has been going on for centuries.
its nothing to do with out culture... its just the way people are, they either inherit these 'gay' genes, or they choose to like people of the same sex.

paedophilia on the otherhand is sick. the innocent children dont know what the hell is going on, and will ruin the rest of thier lives. as with homosexuality, there are 2 normal people , in love.... the same as if a man and a woman were in love.

[Lemonking]

"de·spic·a·ble
adj.
Deserving of contempt or scorn; vile."


dude stfu If you would see that chicks face you would probely puke
and u dont know her like I do

[Lemonking]

Hell my mom is bisexual and she was a model.


is she hawt?
:cool:

[Tr0n]

I will not answer that question....because she is my mom.

[Llama]

you pathetic bastards
Homosexuality is a choice that people make themselves....if you dont like it rhen seriously...**** you

Yes, being gay is perfectly alright

[Ikerous]

I will not answer that question....because she is my mom.
That most assuredly means yes.

[Lemonking]

you pathetic bastards
Homosexuality is a choice that people make themselves....if you dont like it rhen seriously...**** you

Yes, being gay is perfectly alright


was that fu(k you ment for me?
then fick dich selber du fotzen gesicht :laugh:

[jimbo118]

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?

Fact is, homosexuality goes against any evolutionary principle ever. We breed to reproduce. Things are set up in that way. Homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Imagine if everybody was gay. We'd be absolutely ****ed as a species. Does this make sense? I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle.
lol your post was funny,and you know i was talking about gay relationships,not generalising so be quiet,

[Tr0n]

That most assuredly means yes.No...it means I'm not going to answer that question. :P

[gh0st]

lol your post was funny,and you know i was talking about gay relationships,not generalising so be quiet,
Yeah I was too.

So be quiet.

[Kangy]

dude stfu If you would see that chicks face you would probely puke
and u dont know her like I do

What, so it's okay to completely trash people you know solely based on their looks and sexual orientation just for the reason that you know them and I don't? Wow, I love that idea, I really do.

[jimbo118]

Yeah I was too.

So be quiet.
you weren't what,generalising?

and my post was about gay people being 'in' love?theres a diff you know?

[KoreBolteR]

well we have the result of the poll. and the winner is:

There is nothing wrong with Homosexuality.

gg.

[jimbo118]

well we have the result of the poll. and the winner is:

There is nothing wrong with Homosexuality.

gg.
the right result

[KoreBolteR]

the right result

yeah i voted for it.

i dont see anything wrong with it, read my posts above. :thumbs:

[jimbo118]

yeah i voted for it.

i dont see anything wrong with it, read my posts above. :thumbs:
yeah i read it ;)

[eatbugs]

What are these choices anyway?

[riomhaire]

It's just the way some people are.

[jimbo118]

i still find it hard to believe some people actually voted for the first 2

[CptStern]

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?

Fact is, homosexuality goes against any evolutionary principle ever. We breed to reproduce. Things are set up in that way. Homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Imagine if everybody was gay. We'd be absolutely ****ed as a species. Does this make sense? I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle.


whack, whack whack

that's the sound of me beating to death a good friend of mine and his wife because they're married yet are infertile

whack whack whack ..a few paraplegics (they'll never reproduce)

whack whack whack ..the mentally handicapped ...whack whack ...the weak ...whack whack ...anybody who looks/acts/is different than me ....whack whack whack ..everybody and anybody who doesnt conform



I'm not against gay people, but I am against their lifestyle

please explain how their lifestyle affects you in the slightest way?

[Foxtrot]

whack, whack whack

that's the sound of me beating to death a good friend of mine and his wife because they're married yet are infertile

whack whack whack ..a few paraplegics (they'll never reproduce)

whack whack whack ..the mentally handicapped ...whack whack ...the weak ...whack whack ...anybody who looks/acts/is different than me ....whack whack whack ..everybody and anybody who doesnt conform





please explain how their lifestyle affects you in the slightest way?

Gay people may not chose to be gay (it is debatable) but they defintely chose to talk with a lisp, do the limp wrist, and dress like that. I am not saying all gay people do that, but some do. Oh and butt sex is icky.

[Tr0n]

/me whacks stern for being canadian

[baxter]

modern culture made it popular to be gay and thinks that it's uncool to say shit agains them

am dead serios, i think our culture lost it's morals, and became to accepting towards ubnormal sex,

but, come on, don't you think it's logical to say that bisexuals are just perv.?

if you are homosexual you are attracted to same sex, discusted by oppiset sex
heterosexual are attracted to oppiset sex, discusted by same sex

bisexuals... not discusted by anything

see ya, sweety

can i send you my pic. and you tell me if i'm cute or not?

don't get mad, it's just every time i hang out with one of my homosexual friends (i know at lease 4 i can think right now), they mostly talk about sick shit, and are extrimly sexual most of the times

once again, i don't really care if you are gay or not
but i don't think it should be encoureged
i mean, look at it, media LOVES gay (most of the times gay men, they a more fun then lesbians), and sort of promots homosexuality, and i think that's wrong

and homosexual marrage is defenetly a wrong idea, 100%

gay marrege is wrong because marrage is a foundation for the human society

don't make it right for gay marrage though, it's a whole different issue

ok, i'm sorry for thinking that (pardon my words for the next line) sticking your dick in an another guy's hole, where the shit comes out, is sick and wrong

sexual abnormality relationship

communism is "most depraved, evil and sick dictatorial regime"?

watch what you post

why do u assume that it's "proudly", maybe it a joke (sort of)?

i'm not any wing, second, it's my right to think and say that homosexuality is an abnormal sexual practice, that i don't agree with



let me ask all of you a question

let's say your SON comes up to you and says "Daddy (or Mommy), I really don't know who i am attracted more, men or women, who do you think i should be attracted to more (if i am a boy)."

now, please, be complitly honest, and don't fix your answer in order to prove me and couple other people wrong

good point, but let's drop the connection between child molestation and homosexuality

ps
to everybody

ok, my PERSONAL (key word) believe, is that you can't fall in love

see the way they i look at it

when you "fall in love" you want to be with that person

"want to"(key word) - something that is far from love

i think love is when you don't "want" anything, you just love
as i said, there is only ONE LOVE, the same love for your mother, for your wife(if you love her), for your God... it's all but One Feeling, One Love

dude, part of the question is that the kid is confused, HE doesn't know.

love and sex, have very little connection (at least in my world)



I wish I was as clever as you.

[riomhaire]

Really so is it love if I "love" a horse? What if a little kid loves me and I love that little kid? Is that "love"? **** no. If its ok for people of the same sex to "love" each other, it should be ok for me to love whatever animal, child, inanimate object, I want to. Are you going to claim that isnt love?
I think that gayness is OK because they love eachother while someone who is in 'love' with a horse is violating an animal that does not care about them and if that animal was a human it would be rape.

[CptStern]

Gay people may not chose to be gay (it is debatable) but they defintely chose to talk with a lisp, do the limp wrist, and dress like that. I am not saying all gay people do that, but some do. Oh and butt sex is icky.

some people choose to stick rings in their nose, chin, ...errrr member, some choose long hair or short hair, dark clothes, bright clothes, some people listen to rap music, others country and still others opera, some people like pick up trucks and hoedowns, while others like theater and literature ....

..should I continue?


btw no one is forcing you to have butt sex, if you think it's icky then that's your preference ....oh and butt sex is not exclusive to homosexuals

[Foxtrot]

I think that gayness is OK because they love eachother while someone who is in 'love' with a horse is violating an animal that does not care about them and if that animal was a human it would be rape.
But what if the animal loved you?

[Foxtrot]

I think that gayness is OK because they love eachother while someone who is in 'love' with a horse is violating an animal that does not care about them and if that animal was a human it would be rape.
But what if the animal loved you?

some people choose to stick rings in their nose, chin, ...errrr member, some choose long hair or short hair, dark clothes, bright clothes, some peopl eisten to rap other country and still other opera ..should I continue?


btw no one is forcing you to have butt sex, if you think it's icky then that's your preference ....oh and butt sex is not exclusive to homosexuals
Some people chose not to bath, and I am not going to be around those kinds of people. Some people stick their penis in other peoples assholes, I am not going to hang around those kind of people. It is OK to not like gay people because of their culture, if it my freedom.

Damn double post, I hit quote instead of edit.

[Edcrab]

Well, we have legally declared that children and animals are incapable of giving consent, so I can't help but dissaprove of parallels with bestiality or paedophilia.

If a man and a woman want to copulate, let them. Same goes for any pair of consenting adults of any gender.

[CptStern]

Some people chose not to bath, and I am not going to be around those kinds of people. Some people stick their penis in other peoples assholes, I am not going to hang around those kind of people. It is OK to not like gay people because of their culture, if it my freedom.

you want to hate someone because they're different; that's bigotry ...and I have the right to call a spade a spade ..or bigot in this case


if and when you're sexually active I bet at least half of the people in your peer group will try butt sex

[riomhaire]

But what if the animal loved you?
Animal's can't fully 'love' in that sense of the word as they are not completly sentient. Love is what keeps a sentient society together as sentient creatures can fight their instincts and love is there so a mother will protect its child and a man will want to bread. Even though I believe that I still don't love my mam any less.
And how the hell would you know an animal 'loved' you.

[Foxtrot]

you want to hate someone because they're different; that's bigotry ...and I have the right to call a spade a spade ..or bigot in this case


if and when you're sexually active I bet at least half of the people in your peer group will try butt sex
Where did I say I hate gay people?

Animal's can't fully 'love' in that sense of the word as they are not completly sentient. Love is what keeps a sentient society together as sentient creatures can fight their instincts and love is there so a mother will protect its child and a man will want to bread. Even though I believe that I still don't love my mam any less.
And how the hell would you know an animal 'loved' you.
What about dolphins? Can I have hot buttsecks with dolphins?

[riomhaire]

What about dolphins? Can I have hot buttsecks with dolphins?
Are they sentient, if so yes, but only under some surcomstances

You have a hartbeat moniter attached to it and its heartbeat speeds up when it sees you
It has never attacked you or any other human
It often rubs up against you
Your name isn't Mr. Zoo

(BTW this was a joke)

[Edcrab]

Can't think of any laws that openly state that dolphins or animals with higher thought processes are capable of giving consent.

Can't think of any that prevent two adults from ****ing each other either. Just because I'm hetero doesn't mean I dislike or even care what other people get up to.

[baxter]

Don't know whether I dare to agree with you, it may be taken out of context. :D

[el Chi]

besides the fact that they are attracted to the same sex...and there it is.
Why didn't you just state your views in the first post?

To all the people who compared homosexuality to bestiality and paedophilia:

I detest every single fibre of your being with the fire and passion of a thousand suns and I hope you die alone and unloved in a small puddle of your own filthy bile.

They're really very, very different in so very many ways:
Bestiality involves a human being and a member of an entirely different species that probably has no idea what's going on until - well, y'know. Homosexual sex involves two human beings. Heterosexual sex involves two human beings. Or more, depending on how you feel.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Paedophilia involves, almost as a matter of course, rape. Consensual gay sex does not. Nor does consensual heterosexual sex.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Homosexuality can be observed in animals, so out goes the theory that it's "unnatural".
It serves an evolutionary purpose: Healthy, able-bodied members of an over-populated community of animals that can contribute in terms of gathering food, looking out for predators, etc. but NOT contribute to over-crowding. So out goes the theory that they're detrimental to the human race.

Homophobia is just as bad as racism. Thank God the majority of people who've taken the poll appear to realise that.

It's been observed that many homosexuals were exposed to higher-than-usual levels of testosterone in the womb. This means that lesbians may have bigger hands than you, and many gay men have bigger penises than you.

[qckbeam]

Thank you el Chi, really, thank you. You've summed everything up perfectly :)

[el Chi]

No, no. Thank you. :)

[pomegranate]

There really isn't any need for 11 pages of this (entertaining as it is). All that needs to be asked is:

1. Does homosexual sex, and the stereotypically associated personality, lifestyle, and culture actually harm anyone?
2. Do people have a choice?

My answers are no and no. Therefore, I don't believe it's immoral, and I don't believe it's anybody else's business, and I don't believe it should be oppressed by any means.
Seriously, why would you be so bothered about what other people are doing when it has no effect on you whatsoever? If the idea of gay people makes you angry or bothered, get a life.
I think this method can be applied to most moral arguments.


<edit: ooops, "anyone one">

[el Chi]

I don't believe it's anybody else's business, and I don't believe it should be oppressed by any means.
Seriously, why would you be so bothered about what other people are doing when it has no effect on you whatsoever? If the idea of gay people makes you angry or bothered, get a life.Perfectly put.

[baxter]

1. Does homosexual sex, and the stereotypically associated personality, lifestyle, and culture actually harm anyone one?
2. Do people have a choice?

My answers are no and no. Therefore, I don't believe it's immoral, and I don't believe it's anybody else's business, and I don't believe it should be oppressed by any means.
Seriously, why would you be so bothered about what other people are doing when it has no effect on you whatsoever? If the idea of gay people makes you angry or bothered, get a life.
I think this method can be applied to most moral arguments


Hopefully this is the final statement in this thread.

[Lemonking]

I dont mind gay Peolple but I dont wanna have em around me
basta no more comments from me

[PickledGecko]

Gay people may not chose to be gay (it is debatable) but they defintely chose to talk with a lisp, do the limp wrist, and dress like that. I am not saying all gay people do that, but some do. Oh and butt sex is icky.
People choose to talk with a lisp and act in other stereotypicaly "gay" ways? Have you ever been to High School? If that was true, as soon as the boy in question got his first beating, he'd be talking and acting just like everbody else the very next day.

Butt sex is icky to me too, thats why I don't do it. Doesn't mean I go around telling other people who do like to stop, its none of my concern.

[brink's]

Gay people should be shot on the spot and a gay fetus should be liquified the second it's found out to be unatural, cause their not real people like you and me. I mean sure they look real enough, but we all know what's really going on. They're trying to rid our society of of inequalities, make everyone equal, even if the only reason is so everyone can be happy. I will not stand for this, if we allow gay marrage or someone to be homosexual, what's next????? Eating meat on a friday? No more race discrimination. not on my watch.

[Foxtrot]

...and there it is.
Why didn't you just state your views in the first post?

To all the people who compared homosexuality to bestiality and paedophilia:

I detest every single fibre of your being with the fire and passion of a thousand suns and I hope you die alone and unloved in a small puddle of your own filthy bile.

They're really very, very different in so very many ways:
Bestiality involves a human being and a member of an entirely different species that probably has no idea what's going on until - well, y'know. Homosexual sex involves two human beings. Heterosexual sex involves two human beings. Or more, depending on how you feel.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Paedophilia involves, almost as a matter of course, rape. Consensual gay sex does not. Nor does consensual heterosexual sex.
Which two of those three options has the most in common?

Homosexuality can be observed in animals, so out goes the theory that it's "unnatural".
It serves an evolutionary purpose: Healthy, able-bodied members of an over-populated community of animals that can contribute in terms of gathering food, looking out for predators, etc. but NOT contribute to over-crowding. So out goes the theory that they're detrimental to the human race.

Homophobia is just as bad as racism. Thank God the majority of people who've taken the poll appear to realise that.

It's been observed that many homosexuals were exposed to higher-than-usual levels of testosterone in the womb. This means that lesbians may have bigger hands than you, and many gay men have bigger penises than you.

You aren't very accepting of different types of people.

People choose to talk with a lisp and act in other stereotypicaly "gay" ways? Have you ever been to High School? If that was true, as soon as the boy in question got his first beating, he'd be talking and acting just like everbody else the very next day.

Butt sex is icky to me too, thats why I don't do it. Doesn't mean I go around telling other people who do like to stop, its none of my concern.
Haha sorry, I don't go to "The OC" or whatever high school drama shit you watch, I go to a real high school, with real people not actors and scripts. Gay kids are not made fun of in general, they are actually more popular than you would expect someone like that to be.

[Lemonking]

1 more comment^^
I wanted to say that its pretty stupid to think being Gay is cool
stupid TV Shows like Will and Grace etc thats just stupid.
Being aint normal I accept but it will never will be normal

[el Chi]

You aren't very accepting of different types of people.You mean I don't accept people who aren't accepting of homosexuals?Don't try and switch that nonsense round on me Foxtrot.
Make a valid counter-argument as to why I'm wrong and homosexuality actually IS like paedophilia and/or bestiality or don't bother discussing at all.

...they are actually more popular than you would expect someone like that to be.That says it all.
Gay people, obviously, are disgusting abominations and should be ashamed and deported to a secluded island OR "re-educated".

[pomegranate]

Being aint normal I accept but it will never will be normal

Uh, reading that - I mean, trying to read that sentence just broke my brain. Thanks. Please rephrase.

[PickledGecko]

Really Foxtrot? I'm surprised because in my school "gay" means bad.
"Man, I think Maths is soooo gay" means "I don't like Maths much"
"Rollerbladers are soo gay" means "People who use rollerblades are not as cool as us skateboarders"
etc
etc
edit: well it did 6 years ago anyway. Maybe times have changed.

[Foxtrot]

You mean I don't accept people who aren't accepting of homosexuals?Don't try and switch that nonsense round on me Foxtrot.
Make a valid counter-argument as to why I'm wrong and homosexuality actually IS like paedophilia and/or bestiality or don't bother discussing at all.

That says it all.
Gay people, obviously, are disgusting abominations and should be ashamed and deported to a secluded island OR "re-educated".
Good job on being shallow, and judging people on their sexual orientation and no who they are/what they do. I was refering to what kind of person they are, in this example the guys name is Zahmee(dont know how to spell it) a fat arab kid with an incredible lisp and who likes to wear silk.

Really Foxtrot? I'm surprised because in my school "gay" means bad.
"Man, I think Maths is soooo gay" means "I don't like Maths much"
"Rollerbladers are soo gay" means "People who use rollerblades are not as cool as us skateboarders"
etc
etc
People use those terms but they won't harass or harm any gay people.

[Lemonking]

Uh, reading that - I mean, trying to read that sentence just broke my brain. Thanks. Please rephrase.

sry Mr english :sleep:

I accept the gays but for me they will never be normal

[el Chi]

Good job on being shallow, and judging people on their sexual orientation and no who they are/what they do. I was refering to what kind of person they are, in this example the guys name is Zahmee(dont know how to spell it) a fat arab kid with an incredible lisp and who likes to wear silk.That was so far from the implication of your post it's ridiculous.
If they're gay and they're a tw*t, then they're still a tw*t, regardless of sexuality, race, religion, able-bodied or otherwise.
At no point did I say anything to the contrary, so a fine job ye did there, placing word upon word into my mouth.

[Raziaar]

Homosexuality... okay.


The only one problem I see in this forum, is the fact that people are saying its 'not a choice'.

How is it not a choice? Its certainly not an element of nature.

Nature, by design, encourages opposite sex procreation. That is how we are programmed... by design. Just like nearly every other creature out there save for the ones who reproduce from just themselves.

The body produces Pheromones, which 'attracts' the opposite sex, and oftentimes aggrivates the same sex. This is nature's way of keeping things the way it intended, and for the most part this works except in the cases of humans who are individual by nature, and intelligent enough to do things that go beyond their human instinct... and also in the cases of animals and organisms who's biological functions have been 'frayed' so to speak.

There has been no study in the entire HISTORY of mankind that can prove that homosexuality is in the genes. There are none that proves this. This was something created by homosexuals to further their cause, which is fine... but its wrong to claim something is scientific when it is in fact... not. They can't prove this, and up to this date they never have.

On the other hand... there have been countless studies proving that there are mechanisms in the body that produce and guide the human species towards heterosexuality.. such as Pheremones and many other bodily functions.

Homosexuality is simply a choice. It's the human ability to be independant of the instincts that our history as a race has developed. Homosexuality is fine... go ahead, be a homosexual if you want... but don't try claiming it's in the genes... because unless you provide a breakthrough scientific study with evidence to support this... it cannot be proved, and has not been proved.


You choose to be homosexual. Just like I can suddenly become homosexual tomorrow if I have the willpower. Biology leans our race towards heterosexuality. Intelligence and design allows us to stray from that path if we choose knowingly... unlike animals who might become mistaken by having a chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects etc.

[PickledGecko]

I accept the gays but for me they will never be normal
Of course not, just like homosexuals will never see hetrosexuality as "normal". Its all a matter of perspective.

[Lemonking]

Of course not, just like homosexuals will never see hetrosexuality as "normal". Its all a matter of perspective.




No that not how it is....I tired of discusing this BS
I think its disguisting and I ****in hate TV shows Will and Grace and thsoe other stupid shows
I dont wanna have ******s around me but I wont shoot em or anything I will just go somewhere else
BASTA :borg:

[Murray_H]

Homosexuality... okay.

The only one problem I see in this forum, is the fact that people are saying its 'not a choice'.

How is it not a choice? Its certainly not an element of nature.

What is the world at the moment? Over-populated. Think of a solution that could naturally reduce population and thus start to regain some sort of balance with our resources - you got it, homosexuality!

[el Chi]

No that not how it is....I tired of discusing this BS
I think its disguisting and I ****in hate TV shows Will and Grace and thsoe other stupid shows
I dont wanna have ******s around me but I wont shoot em or anything I will just go somewhere else
BASTA :borg:This is all meant to be said in a genuinely calm, reasoned voice. I am trying to imply nothing, I'm just interested:

Why don't you want to be near gay people? What harm can come to you by proxy?

[Murray_H]

This is all meant to be said in a genuinely calm, reasoned voice. I am trying to imply nothing, I'm just interested:

Why don't you want to be near gay people? What harm can come to you by proxy?

Funny, this was questioned a few hours ago (In & Out was on channel 4) - gay waves duh :rolleyes:

u will get gey0rized frm beeing around da gayos lolololol dont u no nuffing? lolz

[Lemonking]

This is all meant to be said in a genuinely calm, reasoned voice. I am trying to imply nothing, I'm just interested:

Why don't you want to be near gay people? What harm can come to you by proxy?

cuz I fear one day I will be in bad mood and I will slaughter any ****** that crosses my way cuz it disgusts me...like a big pile of shit on my shoe :|

[el Chi]

cuz I fear one day I will be in bad mood and I will slaughter any ****** that crosses my way cuz it disgusts me...like a big pile of shit on my shoe :|Wow, that's extreme stuff. REALLY extreme stuff.
Why does it irritate you that much? It has nothing to do with you...

[PickledGecko]

How is it not a choice? Its certainly not an element of nature.There are plenty of species that have sex with animals of the same gender.

Nature, by design, encourages opposite sex procreation. That is how we are programmed... by design... The body produces Pheromones, which 'attracts' the opposite sex, and oftentimes aggrivates the same sex. This is nature's way of keeping things the way it intended, and for the most part this works except in the cases of humans who are individual by nature, and intelligent enough to do things that go beyond their human instinct...

On the other hand... there have been countless studies proving that there are mechanisms in the body that produce and guide the human species towards heterosexuality.. such as Pheremones and many other bodily functions.Maybe humans are naturaly bisexual and the things you describe that encourage hetrosexual encounters are merely to ensure enough hetrosexual encounters happen to create babies. If a population is 50% female, that means a man can have procreational sex for a few months before his partner is pregnant for 9 months. So it doesn't really matter if 75% of sex is homosexual, because the women will be pregnant for that amount of time.

You choose to be homosexual. Just like I can suddenly become homosexual tomorrow if I have the willpower. Biology leans our race towards heterosexuality. Intelligence and design allows us to stray from that path if we choose knowingly... unlike animals who might become mistaken by having a chemical imbalance caused by any number of factors from pollution, to birth defects etc.I cannot conceive of anything that would make me want to have sex with another man, that is why I cannot conceive how anybody can claim it to be a choice anybody can make. But ultametly, the only people who can tell you if its a choice are those people who have made that choice. Have you ever been told its a choice by someone who made that choice? I've not.

[Lemonking]

Wow, that's extreme stuff. REALLY extreme stuff.
Why does it irritate you that much? It has nothing to do with you...


to be honest I dont know
I fell uncomfortable around Lezbos and Gays
meh thats just the way I feel deal with it kay.





PS: Im not gay

[Raziaar]

What is the world at the moment? Over-populated. Think of a solution that could naturally reduce population and thus start to regain some sort of balance with our resources - you got it, homosexuality!

Your argument is flawed. First of all... in many areas of the world overpopulation is simply 'not' an issue. Second of all... where is your evidence to support this? You're just saying that it could possibly be a reason simply because some areas of the world are experiencing over-population. None of these behavioral quirks are experienced in animals. If they become overpopulated... chances are they will face detriment as they exhaust their food, etc. They don't suddenly turn homosexual.

And lastly. Homosexuality has been evident for many many thousands of years, back into the time of the greeks and romans, and even prior to that.

Explain to me then the whole 'overpopulation' problem back then.

[el Chi]

to be honest I dont know
I fell uncomfortable around Lezbos and Gays
meh thats just the way I feel deal with it kay.If that's the way you feel, then there's nothing I can do to sway your opinion. More's the pity, to be honest but oh well.

Homosexuality has been evident for many many thousands of years, back into the time of the greeks and romans, and even prior to that.

Explain to me then the whole 'overpopulation' problem back then.If we can observe it going back that long, then doesn't that suggest to you that there actually IS some inherent homosexual characteristic in some humans?

[PickledGecko]

No that not how it is....I tired of discusing this BSI wasn't attacking you if thats what you think. I was just saying that "normal" to you, is who you are. Everyone else is a little, or a lot, different from you and therefore not "normal". Thats fine with me, its the way of the human brain.

[pomegranate]

@ Raziar: Huh? You trying to suggest that ancient societies didn't suffer from overpopulation? It only requires an insufficient amount of food or space you know.

getting O/T now...

[Lemonking]

If that's the way you feel, then there's nothing I can do to sway your opinion. More's the pity, to be honest but oh well.


now why is that a pity?
Its just the way I think.
Then I could say its a pity
that men **** other men in the ass

[^Ben]

Because someone who wants to kill people just because they act differently must be so insecure about themselves deserves pity.

[pomegranate]

now why is that a pity?


Well, for one thing it's causing you to feel bad feelings towards other people, which doesn't benefit anyone, including yourself. Wouldn't you prefer to just be able to accept all people? It'd probably be better for your health.
Also, it's kinda a waste of time arguing about it, huh?

[riomhaire]

Whoever says homosexuality is a choice is ignorant.
(assuming you're a man) can you help getting an errection when you see a piece of porn or whatever, do you say to yourself, no I won't enjoy this anymore and do you make yourself not find women attractive?

[el Chi]

now why is that a pity?
Its just the way I think.
Then I could say its a pity
that men **** other men in the assI think it's a pity because it's just one more pointless barrier between people just like race, religion, language, nationality, etc. etc.
I don't see why it's a pity if some men have sex with each other. It's their business, not yours, nor mine.

[^Ben]

Oh, and to the poster who said that gay people have bigger pee pee's

I MUST BE THE GAYEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!!

lol :P

[Raziaar]

I cannot conceive of anything that would make me want to have sex with another man, that is why I cannot conceive how anybody can claim it to be a choice anybody can make. But ultametly, the only people who can tell you if its a choice are those people who have made that choice. Have you ever been told its a choice by someone who made that choice? I've not.

Yes, I have been told it's a choice by *MANY* people. Some of whom are my friends. And some of these people are unashamed to say that they have had past life experiences that have affected their change from heterosexual-to homosexual.

One has been abused for much of his young life by a member of the same sex, and over time he slowly changed to practicing homosexuality. And he admitted this change. That he never felt the desire originally that he liked men.

Another... another friend of mine at a young age offered her body to others of the opposite sex, in exchange for money, etc. After years of doing this, she changed her lifestyle to reflect that of homosexuality. She developed an attraction towards women, the people she did not offer her body to.


I myself grew up thinking that I was somehow attracted to other boys. But all this was a matter of social influences. Now, that i'm older and an adult, I don't still have this 'biological function' that makes me homosexual. I do not practice homosexuality and I do not entertain the thoughts of it regarding myself. It's just not who I am. But I could just as easily become a homosexual over the course of a period of time depending on social influences just like when I was a child. It all depends on what I want to do. I have the freedom to stray from my instincts.

[el Chi]

Oh, and to the poster who said that gay people have bigger pee pee's

I MUST BE THE GAYEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!!

lol :PYeah you wish, girlfriend.

[Murray_H]

now why is that a pity?
Its just the way I think.
Then I could say its a pity
that men **** other men in the ass

How do you feel about black people? Just wondering if your bigotry extends to other characteristics of humans....

About the homosexuality and population control, it was theory I read in new scientist about a year ago, I was mentioning it to open up areas of discussion

[PickledGecko]

Wooohooo, I'm the least gay man on the planet.


Oh, wait a minute...

[^Ben]

Yeah you wish, girlfriend.

/me goes limp wristed

Oh, puh-lease!

[pomegranate]

Raziaar, I'm pretty certain that when anyone talks about the choice of sexuality, we're asking whether a person can choose what gender they are attracted to (as opposed to simply, what gender they actually have sex with) Do you think that is possible?

[Raziaar]

If we can observe it going back that long, then doesn't that suggest to you that there actually IS some inherent homosexual characteristic in some humans?

No. That doesn't suggest anything to me. Its well known that ancient societies were very explorative about their sexualities, and socialities, even much moreso than we are today as hard as it is to believe. Over the course of history civilizations have changed regarding their views regarding homosexuality and other things. During the middle ages and later ages, this was evidenced as there was an extreme lacking of widespread homosexuality as there was in the earlier timeframes, and in even more overcrowded, diseased, famined situations.

Some of this is in part to religion, and much of it is not.

[Lemonking]

How do you feel about black people? Just wondering if your bigotry extends to other characteristics of humans....

About the homosexuality and population control, it was theory I read in new scientist about a year ago, I was mentioning it to open up areas of discussion

well I know alot African Black People Nigeria,Uganda (spelled right?)
there pretty cool but I have a problem with those gangsta dudes that live in America they think there sooo cool and hip blablabla

[PickledGecko]

Raziaar, they hardly sound like "choices". By choices I mean, waking up one day and thinking, "I think I'll try cock today", without any outside influences. Those examples sound more like trauma.

[Raziaar]

Raziaar, I'm pretty certain that when anyone talks about the choice of sexuality, we're asking whether a person can choose what gender they are attracted to (as opposed to simply, what gender they actually have sex with) Do you think that is possible?'

Yes, a person can choose what gender they are attracted to. I'm attracted to women. I can just as easily be attracted to men as well if I allow myself to be. It's all mental. Much of it is social, and cultural influence, as well as politics and religion.

[pomegranate]

Do you not think you might actually be bisexual?

[riomhaire]

Yes, a person can choose what gender they are attracted to. I'm attracted to women. I can just as easily be attracted to men as well if I allow myself to be. It's all mental. Much of it is social, and cultural influence, as well as politics and religion.
That is a load of crap in my opinion, you sexual orentation has to do with hormones, not your brain (unless you have a mental condition)

[Raziaar]

Raziaar, they hardly sound like "choices". By choices I mean, waking up one day and thinking, "I think I'll try cock today", without any outside influences. Those examples sound more trauma.

As much as i'm kinda turned away by your blunt choice of words... yes, people can and have done that exact same thing. And afterwards, they might be repelled by it.

I have a friend who has had sex with guys before, but considers himself straight. Prior to having sex with the guys, he was incredibly attracted to them. Incredibly turned on. That was lust. When the deed was overwith, after he had experienced orgasm... he was overwhelmingly turned off by the situation and regretted it. Yet he has since then done the deed again.


EDIT: and no this guy isn't me :P


Do you not think you might actually be bisexual?

No. I am not bisexual.

See. This is another social influence that turns some people gay. People keep pressuring them with comments on "oh, you must be gay!" "I know you're gay, you gotta be. You act gay".

When infact this person might have no desires for attraction of the opposite sex. But with enough time and enough pressure, he might start questioning himself when he should have no need to, and think he might be gay and later actually become fully fledged homosexual.

[pomegranate]

Right. Well, I'd say that guy is probably gay. I don't see how his experience is relevant to your opinion about choice. His attraction to men doesn't seem to have varied, or been a matter of choice.

[Raziaar]

Right. Well, I'd say that guy is probably gay. I don't see how his experience is relevant to your opinion about choice. His attraction to men doesn't seem to have varied, or been a matter of choice.

Heh. Well. Okay. I've said all I can really say about the matter. Its just going to be a rehashing of opinions for the next 14 pages otherwise.

I still stand by my belief that homosexuality is a choice. And until they actually 'prove' homosexuality is in the genes, which they as of today have not, i'll stand by that opinion.

[riomhaire]

He's bisexual.

Edit:
Heh. Well. Okay. I've said all I can really say about the matter. Its just going to be a rehashing of opinions for the next 14 pages otherwise.

I still stand by my belief that homosexuality is a choice. And until they actually 'prove' homosexuality is in the genes, which they as of today have not, i'll stand by that opinion.
It's not a choice and it's not genetic, it's hormonal!