Sam Fisher vs. Solid Snake

[ray_MAN]

Who would win in a map that had trees for Snake and pipes for Sam. I think Sam would win because he'd whip out his awesome knife and hang from a tree.

[B-MAn]

Snake can also hang from trees and has a knife also theres his awesome CQC stuff but i just think Sam Fisher would have a slight advantage

[Gray Fox]

Solidsnake can take on a walking battleship, it's no contest.

[Kouler]

Right you are, Grey Fox. Snake is also cooler.

[Dalamari]

Solidsnake can take on a walking battleship, it's no contest.

In the MGS world he can, but in the Splinter Cell world they don't pause for hour long flashbacks, while Snake is having acid trips *BAM* Sam just knifes him.

[KU_]

Sam. His equipment is far more advanced than Snake's.

[Danimal]

Heh, somebody read my post in the Gordon Freeman vs Sam Fisher thread. :D

[Zeus]

Sam...because his games are far, far, superior to MGS games (and yes I have played the mgs games)

[Dalamari]

Sam...because his games are far, far, superior to MGS games (and yes I have played the mgs games)

Ditto and ditto

[Foxtrot]

Pipes are higher up than trees, Sam would have the height advantage and would win.

[Danimal]

I have never played Splinter Cell... But Snake was a cool character when I played the MGS1 demo when I was a wee lad

[jimbo118]

Sam...because his games are far, far, superior to MGS games (and yes I have played the mgs games)
get your flame shield

[oldagerocker]

Sam is american, therefore, he Must be the best. :)

[Dalamari]

get your flame shield

Story - MGS

Graphics - Splinter Cell

Gameplay (As in, stealth) - Splinter Cell

Environments - Splinter Cell

Too much story filler and useless stuff - MGS

[Malfunction]

When you do a versus thread, I think the two characters in hand-to-hand combat, not each guy with his best shit. So, in that case, Sam wins hands down. Play Chaos Theory to know why.

Now, if they had all of their greatest weapons, obviously Snake would win, because, well, he has a FAMAS, Nikita ****ing surface-to-air rocket launcher, and everything else.

Sam is sneaky, Snake is not, therefore, Sam is better in CQC.

[jimbo118]

Story - MGS

Graphics - Splinter Cell

Gameplay (As in, stealth) - Splinter Cell

Environments - Splinter Cell

Too much story filler and useless stuff - MGS
story-metal gear
music-metal
ambience-metal gear
sound-metal gear
replay value-metal gear,sp anyway
graphics-metal gear is ps2 so duh,sc,although mg3 is the best looking ps2 game 4 me
gameplay-overall metal gear,boss fights etc,less linear,less samey,
environments-mgs3's jungle was awesome

AI:METAL GEAR!!!!!!

[Foxtrot]

story-metal gear
music-metal
ambience-metal gear
sound-metal gear
replay value-metal gear,sp anyway
graphics-metal gear is ps2 so duh,sc,although mg3 is the best looking ps2 game 4 me
gameplay-overall metal gear,boss fights etc,less linear,less samey,
environments-mgs3's jungle was awesome

AI:METAL GEAR!!!!!!
Multiplayer, ****ing owned.

[Gray Fox]

story-metal gear
music-metal
ambience-metal gear
sound-metal gear
replay value-metal gear,sp anyway
graphics-metal gear is ps2 so duh,sc,although mg3 is the best looking ps2 game 4 me
gameplay-overall metal gear,boss fights etc,less linear,less samey,
environments-mgs3's jungle was awesome

AI:METAL GEAR!!!!!!

QFE, how could anybody say sc has better gameplay, it's a complete ripoff of mgs2, just with a different perspective, which is enough to make it interesting, and besides mgs is always different, every mgs game has is really original, sc might aswell come form EA, it's exactly like an EA game, and franchise is certanly beeing handled like EA would handle it.

Edit: ooh and did I say snake has a soliton radar. Snake can even see the vison filed of sam. And he defeated liquid snake( well not techincally, fox die killed liquid), the cooles character ever in a video game, and if he is lucky enough to kill him then ficher doesn't stand a chance.

[jimbo118]

Multiplayer, ****ing owned.
I said sp,or cant you read?ps2 online is s*it anyway,and sc mp isnt very impressive to me,fu*king owned yourself

[Foxtrot]

I said sp,or cant you read?ps2 online is s*it anyway,and sc mp isnt very impressive to me,fu*king owned yourself
I can read, but that is like me saying SC > MGS because SC came out first (ignoring MGS1 and 2).

[riomhaire]

Snake can also hang from trees and has a knife also theres his awesome CQC stuff but i just think Sam Fisher would have a slight advantage
That's Naked Snake.

[Harryz]

Snake.

Close-Quarter-Combat, enough said.

[jimbo118]

I can read, but that is like me saying SC > MGS because SC came out first (ignoring MGS1 and 2).
how did you get that from what i said?

[The Monkey]

Never heard of them.

[jimbo118]

Never heard of them.
lol really?

[Voodoo_Chile]

Actually I prefere Naked Snake(Big Boss) to Solid.Far funnier guy (Get into the Cardboard Box in Snake Eater and Call up SIGINT and you'll see what I mean)
I cant really decide as both games a very well made and Play like a dream.

However since its a personal thing not about graphics or gameplay(Im assuming you just want me to size up the two characters) I'd go for Snake
Much more back story,a far more interesting character,Is the clone of the greatest warrior ever known(But I still think that if Big Boss was in his prime,he'd beat Solid) and he's beaten 3 Walking Death Mobiles with little outside Help.Also Solid has had much more Expierience then Sam Fisher.

[Foxtrot]

how did you get that from what i said?
Because you said MGS has more replay value than SC, excluding multiplayer. Multiplayer was a HUGE part of SC, a lot of time and resources went into making it and that is also what I spent 90% of my time playing.

[The Monkey]

lol really?

Well I've heard of Fisher, but I've no clue who he is...

[Loke]

Never heard of them.

Solitua Snakeua
http://www.spawn.com/toys/games/mgs2/solid/images/mgs2_solid_photo_01_dl.jpg

Sam Fisher
https://secure.ubi.com/login/Skins/splintercell3/en-US/sam_fisher.jpg

Tough fight... But I think Snake would win, he’s made of steel.

[joule]

Sammy gets my vote.

[Ames]

Snake. Duh.

Giant Metal Gears go dead because of him.

[KU_]

Snake has to pause to equip his weapons, on the other hand, Sam just takes his off, puts new ones on in seconds. Sam has Lambert and Grim to tell him where Snake is it any given time, during real time. Snake would have to pause to talk to the Colonel.

[jimbo118]

Because you said MGS has more replay value than SC, excluding multiplayer. Multiplayer was a HUGE part of SC, a lot of time and resources went into making it and that is also what I spent 90% of my time playing.
oh ok you should have made it more obvious as to what part of my post you were implying,i did say sp replay value though but yeah mp obviously has replay value

[jimbo118]

Actually I prefere Naked Snake(Big Boss) to Solid.Far funnier guy (Get into the Cardboard Box in Snake Eater and Call up SIGINT and you'll see what I mean)
I cant really decide as both games a very well made and Play like a dream.

However since its a personal thing not about graphics or gameplay(Im assuming you just want me to size up the two characters) I'd go for Snake
Much more back story,a far more interesting character,Is the clone of the greatest warrior ever known(But I still think that if Big Boss was in his prime,he'd beat Solid) and he's beaten 3 Walking Death Mobiles with little outside Help.Also Solid has had much more Expierience then Sam Fisher.
thats 1 of the major probs i have with sam,he has no characterisation whatsoever,i couldnt care less about him tbh when i play sc,whereas snake has a past etc thats quite interestng

[KU_]

Because Sam is just another soldier. If you play SCCT, someone (not going to spoil anything) offers Sam a job, and Sam denies it. The person says Sam is just going to be another forgotten soldier, and Sam says he's not in it for the fame. Which is true about most soldiers, they do what they have to, not to make them look like a hero.

[Malfunction]

Snake is more of the John Rambo guy, which in reality, always gets you killed. I mean, shit, if you've played SC:CT how can you say Snake is cooler? I mean, damn, he's just so efficient.

You guys are also stating false things. How in the world does Snake have more experience than Sam? Fisher's only been working with the government for basically his entire life, and even if Snake had been too, I think Sam is a lot older than Snake.

[Foxtrot]

oh ok you should have made it more obvious as to what part of my post you were implying,i did say sp replay value though but yeah mp obviously has replay value
It is OK, I was trying to come off as an ass.

[jimbo118]

It is OK, I was trying to come off as an ass.
;) :)

results show a dead heat

[Lt. Drebin]

It's a tough call...I might be inclined to give the edge to Snake....

But, the dude has a mullet...nuff said...we have a tie.

[jimbo118]

It's a tough call...I might be inclined to give the edge to Snake....

But, the dude has a mullet...nuff said...we have a tie.
in mgs1 he didnt have the mullet and looked badass

[Lt. Drebin]

in mgs1 he didnt have the mullet and looked badass

You only need to have a mullet once in my books to get that crown.

[Sprafa]

Fisher would win. More experience, nightvision would be a killer if he went around taking out lightbulbs.

[Axyon]

QFE, how could anybody say sc has better gameplay, it's a complete ripoff of mgs2, just with a different perspective, which is enough to make it interesting, and besides mgs is always different, every mgs game has is really original, sc might aswell come form EA, it's exactly like an EA game, and franchise is certanly beeing handled like EA would handle it.Possibly one of the most stupid things I've read in a long time, well done. How can Splinter Cell 'rip off' MGS2 when they're both a completely different style of game? One has you shadow crawling throughout urban environments with a keen emphasis on stealth, the other has you running around a ship and multi-tiered plant in the middle of the ocean, with the emphasis on minimal stealth and mainly action.

I'm not going to comment on who would 'win' in this fight, as it seems the matchup is rather random. The two characters rely on different methods of approach and fighting techniques in a game. As characters though, I prefer Sam - his dark style of humour really appeals to me, I don't know how many times he's made me chuckle with an inappropriately-timed dry comment.

[Prince of China]

Both Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell are two different types of stealth games, I agree with Axyon. Splinter Cell is more realistic, however I can both relate to those games as a martial artist, such as Metal Gear Solid 3's CQC, by the way, I don't see why people say that Solid Snake has CQC, in Metal Gear Solid 3- you're Big Boss. Metal Gear Solid is really an action game. When you get spotted, if you make everything go normal, stealth isn't the main priority. In Splinter Cell, stealth is your main priority and engagement is the last thing you want. My vote goes to Sam. Konami has thought of Metal Gear Solid as a "Hide and Seek" kind of game. In a real hand-to-hand fight where the laws of reality apply, Sam would win.

[B-MAn]

Sam is sneaky, Snake is not, therefore, Sam is better in CQC.

Dude have u even played MGS3?! Snake MADE (a form of) CQC with the Boss.

[jimbo118]

Possibly one of the most stupid things I've read in a long time, well done. How can Splinter Cell 'rip off' MGS2 when they're both a completely different style of game? One has you shadow crawling throughout urban environments with a keen emphasis on stealth, the other has you running around a ship and multi-tiered plant in the middle of the ocean, with the emphasis on minimal stealth and mainly action.

I'm not going to comment on who would 'win' in this fight, as it seems the matchup is rather random. The two characters rely on different methods of approach and fighting techniques in a game. As characters though, I prefer Sam - his dark style of humour really appeals to me, I don't know how many times he's made me chuckle with an inappropriately-timed dry comment.
a man who hasnt played mgs3 then

[Gray Fox]

Possibly one of the most stupid things I've read in a long time, well done. How can Splinter Cell 'rip off' MGS2 when they're both a completely different style of game? One has you shadow crawling throughout urban environments with a keen emphasis on stealth, the other has you running around a ship and multi-tiered plant in the middle of the ocean, with the emphasis on minimal stealth and mainly action.
Now that is one of the most stupid things I have heard, mgs certainly has action but 90% of the times you are hiding, you obviouly haven't played mgs or atleast not very well.

[MarcoPollo]

SNake?SNAKE? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKEEEE!!!!

What what?1!??!! You young whippersnappers!

I've snapped plenty of whips in MY day ;).

[Prince of China]

Dude have u even played MGS3?! Snake MADE (a form of) CQC with the Boss.
Snake and The Boss developed together, however, in Metal Gear Solid 3, it wasn't a "form" of CQC, it was the real thing, based on the actual techniques created by William Ewart Fairbairn. In Metal Gear Solid, they just modified it to fit with the story.
Sam probably excels at CQC, militart combat, hand-to-hand/Defendu and Ninjutsu.

[Axyon]

a man who hasnt played mgs3 thenTry looking through the MGS3 threads, I have played it. Besides, this isn't about MGS3, because that is Naked Snake, not Solid.

Now that is one of the most stupid things I have heard, mgs certainly has action but 90% of the times you are hiding, you obviouly haven't played mgs or atleast not very well.There's a big difference between hiding and stealth gameplay. 90% of the time? That's BS, and you know it. There's instances where I've played through MGS2 and only hid once or twice. The option is there, yes, but you don't need to hide.

[Iced_Eagle]

Sam Fisher pwns ;)

Terrorist: "Are you going to kill me?!"
Sam Fisher: "Only if you say the word 'monkey'."

LOL classic....

[Prince of China]

I don't see why some people say that Solid Snake knows CQC.

[jimbo118]

Try looking through the MGS3 threads, I have played it. Besides, this isn't about MGS3, because that is Naked Snake, not Solid.


yeah but my comment was about your 90% action thing,not on snake or sam,mgs3 is hardly like that,the stealth/action is more fun imo anyway

[Prince of China]

Axyon also mentioned that they're both two different styles of play.

[Axyon]

yeah but my comment was about your 90% action thing,not on snake or sam,mgs3 is hardly like that,the stealth/action is more fun imo anywayI haven't mentioned anything relating to 90%...

[jimbo118]

There's a big difference between hiding and stealth gameplay. 90% of the time? That's BS, and you know it. There's instances where I've played through MGS2 and only hid once or twice. The option is there, yes, but you don't need to hide.
play on a higher difficulty level.you definately need to use stealth then

[Prince of China]

I don't even see why people compare both of them. Metal Gear Solid has nothing to do with real life combat at all. Going around installations and alerting people and being able to get shot multiple times is hardly realistic. When the enemy is told to go back to their positions, they seem to forget about you.

[jimbo118]

I don't even see why people compare both of them. Metal Gear Solid has nothing to do with real life combat at all. Going around installations and alerting people and being able to get shot multiple times is hardly realistic. When the enemy is told to go back to their positions, they seem to forget about you.
maybe coz its a GAME,the enemy go back to their positions too in sc

[jimbo118]

I haven't mentioned anything relating to 90%...
oh yeah that was fox,sry,i meant your comments on it being primarily action

[Prince of China]

maybe coz its a GAME
Correct, they are both games, but when people compare two things, they should find a better category. I could compare Sulfur to salmon because they both fit under the category of things that who the letter "S" in them.

[Axyon]

play on a higher difficulty level.you definately need to use stealth thenOn higher difficulty levels they do more detailed sweeps - that kind of defeats the point of hiding, since they can usually find you. On higher difficulty levels you may need to run away, but hiding is still not a necessity. I'm still talking about MGS2, by the way... 2 and 3 are very much different games in terms of gameplay - camouflage and hiding is required quite a lot more in 3.

[jimbo118]

Correct, they are both games, but when people compare two things, they should find a better category. I could compare Sulfur to salmon because they both fit under the category of things that who the letter "S" in them.
its only compared coz metal gear and splinter cell are the only decent 3rd person stealth games so they are obviously going to be compared,thief too

[Axyon]

its only compared coz metal gear and splinter cell are the only decent 3rd person stealth games so they are obviously going to be compared,thief tooThief, exactly - that would be a much better matchup than MGS. Sam versus Garrett would make an interesting fight.

[jimbo118]

On higher difficulty levels they do more detailed sweeps - that kind of defeats the point of hiding, since they can usually find you. On higher difficulty levels you may need to run away, but hiding is still not a necessity. I'm still talking about MGS2, by the way... 2 and 3 are very much different games in terms of gameplay - camouflage and hiding is required quite a lot more in 3.
well you must be a good shot then as 3 shots will kill you on higher difficulty levels

[Prince of China]

its only compared coz metal gear and splinter cell are the only decent 3rd person stealth games so they are obviously going to be compared,thief too

Then why not compare Garret to Solid Snake or Sam?
There's also Tenchu.

[jimbo118]

Thief, exactly - that would be a much better matchup than MGS. Sam versus Garrett would make an interesting fight.
well garretts a thief so he'd be own'd

[jimbo118]

Then why not compare Garret to Solid Snake or Sam?
There's also Tenchu.
coz the thread is sam and snake

edit did you all hear that the team who make sc are working on the new thief game,thief fans at ttlg aren't the happiest but thief 3 was very much like splinter cell anyway

[Prince of China]

Interesting, is the new StarCraft: Ghost game a 3rd person stealth game?

[jimbo118]

Interesting, is the new StarCraft: Ghost game a 3rd person stealth game?
starcraft?

[Prince of China]

www.blizzard.com
Look for StarCraft: Ghost.

[AmishSlayer]

Snake by a longshot. Sam may be good, but nobody can beat Snake.

He as stealth camo, unlimited ammo, rations, missile launchers, and most of all...carboard boxes.

[Gray Fox]

But in the end we all know that Raiden owns them all.

[AmishSlayer]

But in the end we all know that Raiden owns them all.

No way...Raiden doesn't have the experience Snake does in the field. He is a VR baby.

[B-MAn]

I don't see why some people say that Solid Snake knows CQC.

have you played mgs3?

[BHC]

sam has 3 giant lights giving away his every position, also snake is just more badass in about every way imaginable. End of discussion :p

[KU_]

sam has 3 giant lights giving away his every position, also snake is just more badass in about every way imaginable. End of discussion :p

The three lights on Sam's goggles are simply there so you can know your location on the screen at any time. Grab a pair of real nightvision goggles, you can't see them light up. And Snake doesn't even have night vision. :dozey:

[B-MAn]

The three lights on Sam's goggles are simply there so you can know your location on the screen at any time. Grab a pair of real nightvision goggles, you can't see them light up. And Snake doesn't even have night vision. :dozey:

yes he does he also has thermal vision (so does sam) just because they;re not strapped to his face all the time doesn;t mean he doesn;t have them.

[Gray Fox]

Yes he does, but he does not need to, he has the soliton radar. He has got the remote controlled missles, he can defeat a guy who can read his mind.

[BHC]

The three lights on Sam's goggles are simply there so you can know your location on the screen at any time. Grab a pair of real nightvision goggles, you can't see them light up. And Snake doesn't even have night vision. :dozey:

it's...silly :| and actually, yes, snake does have nightvision at least in MGS for psx.

[<RJMC>]

Sam is american, therefore, he Must be the best. :)

you sir are a idiot

btw both character are cool but snake can destory a giant biped walking robot

[Samon]

I think both characters are great, to a certain point of view. I love Fishers dark humour and quick jokes and how he jests about the situation.

Whereas Snake is a character with alot of emotion and has a stronger story behind him, the MGS series as a whole is a whole lot less serious at times, and is able to deliver a better story.

But if it were a contest of who would win in a battle, i would say Snake. I imagine sam sneaking around on pipes and shadows, whereas Snake just whips out his stinger and blows ten tons of shit at him.

[AmishSlayer]

Let's put both in the same room. It could be pitch black for all I care.

Both start sneaking around - night vision or thermal goggles - whatever. They can both see each other via whatever vision mode. Sam opens up with his pistol (which becomes highly inaccurate after a shot or two. Sam switches to his SC-20K and opens up (this also becomes highly inaccurate). Even so, Snake probably gets shot 6+ times in this encounter - Ration - Full life :D.

Sam reloads, Snake busts out his katana and starts blocking all bullets Sam shoots. Snake presses R3 - STAB MOVE - Sam dodges and runs for his petty life. Snake busts out his Nikita missile launcher and fires a missile - Sam jumps up and grabs a pipe barely dodging the missile. Damn, too bad the Nikita cannot be controlled in vertical space :P

Snake busts out his patriot with unlimited ammo and fires a few short bursts hitting Sam. Sam dies because he can't take nearly as many bullets as Snake.

(Don't tell me that Raiden has the sword not Snake...anything Raiden can do...Snake can do. Snake chooses not to be lame and do that little cartwheel thingy when he runs and presses X because he knows the roll is cooler and less homosexual)

END OF STORY

[jimbo118]

Let's put both in the same room. It could be pitch black for all I care.

Both start sneaking around - night vision or thermal goggles - whatever. They can both see each other via whatever vision mode. Sam opens up with his pistol (which becomes highly inaccurate after a shot or two. Sam switches to his SC-20K and opens up (this also becomes highly inaccurate). Even so, Snake probably gets shot 6+ times in this encounter - Ration - Full life :D.

Sam reloads, Snake busts out his katana and starts blocking all bullets Sam shoots. Snake presses R3 - STAB MOVE - Sam dodges and runs for his petty life. Snake busts out his Nikita missile launcher and fires a missile - Sam jumps up and grabs a pipe barely dodging the missile. Damn, too bad the Nikita cannot be controlled in vertical space :P

Snake busts out his patriot with unlimited ammo and fires a few short bursts hitting Sam. Sam dies because he can't take nearly as many bullets as Snake.

(Don't tell me that Raiden has the sword not Snake...anything Raiden can do...Snake can do. Snake chooses not to be lame and do that little cartwheel thingy when he runs and presses X because he knows the roll is cooler and less homosexual)

END OF STORY
roflmao :D ,i was just about to tell you that raiden only uses the katana until i saw the last bit

[BRODIEMAN2k4]

Once Sam's spotted, he's helpless. Snake no contest

[B-MAn]

Let's put both in the same room. It could be pitch black for all I care.

Both start sneaking around - night vision or thermal goggles - whatever. They can both see each other via whatever vision mode. Sam opens up with his pistol (which becomes highly inaccurate after a shot or two. Sam switches to his SC-20K and opens up (this also becomes highly inaccurate). Even so, Snake probably gets shot 6+ times in this encounter - Ration - Full life :D.

Sam reloads, Snake busts out his katana and starts blocking all bullets Sam shoots. Snake presses R3 - STAB MOVE - Sam dodges and runs for his petty life. Snake busts out his Nikita missile launcher and fires a missile - Sam jumps up and grabs a pipe barely dodging the missile. Damn, too bad the Nikita cannot be controlled in vertical space :P

Snake busts out his patriot with unlimited ammo and fires a few short bursts hitting Sam. Sam dies because he can't take nearly as many bullets as Snake.

(Don't tell me that Raiden has the sword not Snake...anything Raiden can do...Snake can do. Snake chooses not to be lame and do that little cartwheel thingy when he runs and presses X because he knows the roll is cooler and less homosexual)

END OF STORY


couldn;t have said it better myself...really

[DeusExMachina]

Snake would own Fisher up the bunghole hands down.

[Sparta]

Bah, Snake and Sam would both fall to Leon S Kennedy and his superior DODGE abilities :E

[Ren.182]

Snake is rugged, he lives for war and combat, he has a bandana which gives him infinate ammo and active camoflage (stealth).

Snake wins :)

[bvasgm]

Snake chooses not to be lame and do that little cartwheel thingy when he runs and presses X because he knows the roll is cooler and less homosexual.
That last part cracked me up. Although I think Sam would win, I concede to the superior knowledge of googlefight.com
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Sam+Fisher&word2=Solid+Snake

222 posts w00t!!one!1!

[Datrix]

Sam eats Snakes for breakfast. ;)

[Ennui]

Snake wins.

[BRODIEMAN2k4]

Once sam's spotted by even the most mediocre of thugs, it's like a kitten vs. a tank, he'll get ripped to shreds

[Axyon]

have you played mgs3?No, he's absolutely correct. CQC is only a part of MGS3, in which you play Naked Snake, not Solid Snake.

[Dalamari]

Let's put both in the same room. It could be pitch black for all I care.

Both start sneaking around - night vision or thermal goggles - whatever. They can both see each other via whatever vision mode. Sam opens up with his pistol (which becomes highly inaccurate after a shot or two. Sam switches to his SC-20K and opens up (this also becomes highly inaccurate). Even so, Snake probably gets shot 6+ times in this encounter - Ration - Full life :D.

Sam reloads, Snake busts out his katana and starts blocking all bullets Sam shoots. Snake presses R3 - STAB MOVE - Sam dodges and runs for his petty life. Snake busts out his Nikita missile launcher and fires a missile - Sam jumps up and grabs a pipe barely dodging the missile. Damn, too bad the Nikita cannot be controlled in vertical space :P

Snake busts out his patriot with unlimited ammo and fires a few short bursts hitting Sam. Sam dies because he can't take nearly as many bullets as Snake.

(Don't tell me that Raiden has the sword not Snake...anything Raiden can do...Snake can do. Snake chooses not to be lame and do that little cartwheel thingy when he runs and presses X because he knows the roll is cooler and less homosexual)

END OF STORY


Ok, there is a big difference between Raiden and Snake, Snake was a US Soldier, only knows basic tactics and weapons, specializes in stealth. Raiden was a rebel soldier, then was trained with VR and got a suit that increases all of his attributes. Now, Snake cannot sneak in the Splinter Cell world, since Splinter Cell is based totally on shadows, MGS is just based on staying out of the vision cone.

Now, the battle IF fought on Sam's turf (realism) would go much different. Sam and Snake both start at opposite ends, Thermal and NVG's of course. Sam would take the high route of pipes and high vents, Snake would be left to the lower levels since he can hardly jump as high as Sam. Sam would simply hang off a pipe, wait for Snake, lift Snake up by the neck, and SLIT, The End.

Now, your thing with the katana and bullet deflecting doesn't work since Snake never ONCE uses it, if we were going by that then Sam gets a bio-chemical device that can wipe out a whole town, including Snake. The only way this fight would be fair is if we were basing this on melee, in which it would be a tie, both of them have basically the same amount of combat experience and skill, and they both use the same tactics.

So this fight can never really have a winner unless Konami and Ubi come together to make a movie about it.

[BHC]

MGS games are a little bit more fiction oriented.

[MarcoPollo]

i think those who say Snake would win just think he is so cool because the AI in metal gear solid was shit

You sneak past....
Guard:What was that?!! What was that just now!?

[BRODIEMAN2k4]

Ok, there is a big difference between Raiden and Snake, Snake was a US Soldier, only knows basic tactics and weapons, specializes in stealth. Raiden was a rebel soldier, then was trained with VR and got a suit that increases all of his attributes. Now, Snake cannot sneak in the Splinter Cell world, since Splinter Cell is based totally on shadows, MGS is just based on staying out of the vision cone.

Now, the battle IF fought on Sam's turf (realism) would go much different. Sam and Snake both start at opposite ends, Thermal and NVG's of course. Sam would take the high route of pipes and high vents, Snake would be left to the lower levels since he can hardly jump as high as Sam. Sam would simply hang off a pipe, wait for Snake, lift Snake up by the neck, and SLIT, The End.

Now, your thing with the katana and bullet deflecting doesn't work since Snake never ONCE uses it, if we were going by that then Sam gets a bio-chemical device that can wipe out a whole town, including Snake. The only way this fight would be fair is if we were basing this on melee, in which it would be a tie, both of them have basically the same amount of combat experience and skill, and they both use the same tactics.

So this fight can never really have a winner unless Konami and Ubi come together to make a movie about it.


One problem

Snake isnt stupid

[DeusExMachina]

i think those who say Snake would win just think he is so cool because the AI in metal gear solid was shit

You sneak past....
Guard:What was that?!! What was that just now!?

LOL. And your going to try and tell me that SC has better AI?

[KU_]

LOL. And your going to try and tell me that SC has better AI?

Actually Splinter Cell 3 has great AI. Guards respond like real people would in the situation. They flank, use suppressing fire, go get back up, retreat if outnumbered, turn tables over to get cover, lay down to make it harder to shoot. Yea, and the exclamation marks don't come over their head either.

[AmishSlayer]

Actually Splinter Cell 3 has great AI. Guards respond like real people would in the situation. They flank, use suppressing fire, go get back up, retreat if outnumbered, turn tables over to get cover, lay down to make it harder to shoot. Yea, and the exclamation marks don't come over their head either.

Wow...I have seen absolutely none of this behavior when I'm fighting the AI. When I make a noise - they react properly for the most part hunting down the source with a light source if they have one...but the battle tactics have yet to impress me. Not to mention if I'm standing less than a foot away from them and they see me in low light they first wonder what I am...

If I'm spotted they spray 'n pray at first. Assuming I take cover they keep firing...and keep firing...and keep firing, maybe they'll finally get behind some cover or run away...but I have yet to see them flank or lay down suppressing fire...or even lay down to get a good shot. They have never even tried to approach me or flush me out. They just shoot or run...

For reference I'm like 7 levels into the game so I think that's enough basis for a general judgement.

I'm not saying MGS AI is amazing or anything, but I think the tactics they use to clear a room and tactics they use to find you and the way they'll throw a grenade into a vent to kill you are more impressive than SCCT's AI.

[jimbo118]

Sam eats Snakes for breakfast. ;)
actually big boss does and rabbits,fish,crabs,birds,mushrooms,scorpions.....

[jimbo118]

i think those who say Snake would win just think he is so cool because the AI in metal gear solid was shit

You sneak past....
Guard:What was that?!! What was that just now!?
lol thats funny,metal gear has probably the best ai i've ever seen,and dont start with that cone bs

[-### HlPwNs ###-]

hero vs. hero treat does not make sense. go write fan fictin were snake and fish fight and maybe free man joins fight and kills them. ;) this is more fun and constructiv i rekon

:cat::cat::cat:

[Dalamari]

lol thats funny,metal gear has probably the best ai i've ever seen,and dont start with that cone bs

Why not start with "that cone bs" as in that is what the guards use to look for people, you could shoot out all the lights in a map *with all 3 lights that you can do this to* and no matter one, if you're in the cone, they see you. And it's true, the SCCT guards just spray, but if you get full alert and actually try to hide, they use tactics.

[jimbo118]

Why not start with "that cone bs" as in that is what the guards use to look for people, you could shoot out all the lights in a map *with all 3 lights that you can do this to* and no matter one, if you're in the cone, they see you. And it's true, the SCCT guards just spray, but if you get full alert and actually try to hide, they use tactics.
metal gear 3 baby,no conage in sight,metals gears guards use tactics too

[Pressure]

Solid Snake is my hero, Sam Fisher is a zero. HAHA! I am the tie breaker.

[B-MAn]

No, he's absolutely correct. CQC is only a part of MGS3, in which you play Naked Snake, not Solid Snake.

true..i keep forgetin that snakes a clone

[Antlion Hunter]

9 Words for Snake:WHO OPENED A CAN OF FAMILY SIZED WHUP ASS!?

[MarcoPollo]

lol thats funny,metal gear has probably the best ai i've ever seen,and dont start with that cone bs


You've got to be kidding me. The AI is really good, I was just making a joke, but It is deffinatly not the best. Theres WAY better AI. Such as Far Cry and Doom 3.

[B-MAn]

Doom 3 had good ai? :laugh:

[jimbo118]

You've got to be kidding me. The AI is really good, I was just making a joke, but It is deffinatly not the best. Theres WAY better AI. Such as Far Cry and Doom 3.
doom roflmao ,you made my day

[MarcoPollo]

Doom 3 had great AI if you weren't a pussy and played it on Hell

[AmishSlayer]

Doom 3 had great AI if you weren't a pussy and played it on Hell

Doom had AI?

Last time I checked on all difficulties all enemies charged you or stood there and fired. Imps sometimes leapt at you or just swiped...oooh...amazing.

[Fat Tony!]

Snake was voted the coolest video game character ever he seems to be able to survive jumping off cliffs into water and huge metal gears, sam fisher is just a guy with too many tools

[KU_]

Wow...I have seen absolutely none of this behavior when I'm fighting the AI. When I make a noise - they react properly for the most part hunting down the source with a light source if they have one...but the battle tactics have yet to impress me. Not to mention if I'm standing less than a foot away from them and they see me in low light they first wonder what I am...

If I'm spotted they spray 'n pray at first. Assuming I take cover they keep firing...and keep firing...and keep firing, maybe they'll finally get behind some cover or run away...but I have yet to see them flank or lay down suppressing fire...or even lay down to get a good shot. They have never even tried to approach me or flush me out. They just shoot or run...

For reference I'm like 7 levels into the game so I think that's enough basis for a general judgement.

I'm not saying MGS AI is amazing or anything, but I think the tactics they use to clear a room and tactics they use to find you and the way they'll throw a grenade into a vent to kill you are more impressive than SCCT's AI.


What difficulty are you playing it on? And most of the time if it's just one guard he'll spray and pray, but if it's multiple ones, they flank. Co-op really shows the tactics off well.

[AmishSlayer]

What difficulty are you playing it on? And most of the time if it's just one guard he'll spray and pray, but if it's multiple ones, they flank. Co-op really shows the tactics off well.

I play on Hard. I've had two encounters that I decided to fight through with two and three guys - one ran away and hid behind some cover further away but was not shooting, the other just sat behind nearby cover firing to where he thought I was. I snuck around and grabbed him from behind - killed him. The second was easy enough, I climbed up onto the cover he was behind and jumped down on him.

The 2nd time it was 3 guys all talking...I tossed a frag in, drew my gun and shot one guy in the head. A second guy blew up while the third ran out the back door. I followed by another route and snuck up on him.

I haven't purposely started big gunfights in thegame because that's not the point. I suppose the AI could be good if you let it live long enough or go in guns blazing everywhere you go.

EDIT: I've played the first co-op level. We never had any firefights. We managed to get through relatively unscathed apart from an accidental bump here and there that just resulted in a close-up shanking.

[KU_]

Yea, co-op get's pretty hard. It's really buggy right now for PC though.

[Tinneth]

Snake is a far better character than Sam Fisher. Plus the Splinter Cell games SUCKED.

[KU_]

Funny you should say the Splinter Cell games sucked, when SC3 has an average ratio of 95% on www.gamerankings.com While MGS3 maintains a 92%. Don't get me wrong, I love both games, but to say a game sucks when it has received great praise is just stupid.

[oni_666]

Snake hides in cardboard box, sam creeps up behind, whips out super duper duct tape ( knife proof), wraps box up like xmas present, whips out cigarette lighter and sets fire to box, Hmmm!! Is that roast chicken, Or just snake!

[Direwolf]

Number of giant robots defeated by Sam Fisher : 0
Number of giant robots defeated by Solid Snake: 7 (approximately)

Until I see Sam Fisher roar down a runway on a motorcycle with guards, a helicopter, and a giant robot in hot pursuit, he's gonna be second in my book.

[Axyon]

Number of giant robots defeated by Sam Fisher : 0
Number of giant robots defeated by Solid Snake: 7 (approximately)

Until I see Sam Fisher roar down a runway on a motorcycle with guards, a helicopter, and a giant robot in hot pursuit, he's gonna be second in my book.Number of giant robots defeated by Solid Snake had he been set inside the realistic and believable world of Sam Fisher: 0

[Gray Fox]

Number of giant robots defeated by Solid Snake had he been set inside the realistic and believable world of Sam Fisher: 0

In fishers world it would have been easier, snake would not need so many rockets do defeat metal gear, and a metal gear would be far clumsier.

[KU_]

Number of giant robots defeated by Sam Fisher : 0
Number of giant robots defeated by Solid Snake: 7 (approximately)

Until I see Sam Fisher roar down a runway on a motorcycle with guards, a helicopter, and a giant robot in hot pursuit, he's gonna be second in my book.

Number of giant robots with nuclear weapons attached in the real world:0.

[Gray Fox]

If you believ fishers wolrd is real, you need to go to a doctor.

[Zeus]

If you believ fishers wolrd is real, you need to go to a doctor.

Actually Fisher's world is a LOT more belivable than snake's. In the real world you wouldn't expect some cyborg ninja or some guy who can control his bullets to come at you but you could definitly see sneaking up behind a guy and interrogating him, ect..

[Ames]

We aren't doing a fight in Fisher or Snake's world. They were in a map
that had trees for Snake and pipes for Sam.

[Sir Phoenixx]

Number of giant robots defeated by Sam Fisher : 0
Number of giant robots defeated by Solid Snake: 7 (approximately)

Until I see Sam Fisher roar down a runway on a motorcycle with guards, a helicopter, and a giant robot in hot pursuit, he's gonna be second in my book.
And yet, Solid Snake didn't do that either...

[Gray Fox]

Actually Fisher's world is a LOT more belivable than snake's. In the real world you wouldn't expect some cyborg ninja or some guy who can control his bullets to come at you but you could definitly see sneaking up behind a guy and interrogating him, ect..

And? It still is far from real, so the argument that there are no giant walking robots in the real world is useless.

[Gray Fox]

And yet, Solid Snake didn't do that either...

Yes he did, well as naked snake/big boss, but it's still snake.

[Direwolf]

It's a Snake, and since they're cloned from each other I can't say the difference is really enough to nitpick over.
Plus Solid could have done it if he wanted to. :D

[Zeus]

And? It still is far from real

I disagree, it's quite realistic IMO....

[Ennui]

Snake's a whole lot cooler than Sam, though.

Unless we want to talk Serious Sam.

[jimbo118]

snake owns da poll

[Tinneth]

Funny you should say the Splinter Cell games sucked, when SC3 has an average ratio of 95% on www.gamerankings.com While MGS3 maintains a 92%. Don't get me wrong, I love both games, but to say a game sucks when it has received great praise is just stupid.

To me, they sucked. To you, it may be great. Its called an opinion.

[Ennui]

To me, they sucked. To you, it may be great. Its called an opinion.
Yep, you can't really deny someone else's opinion. I don't particularly like Splinter Cell either.

[Sir Phoenixx]

Yes he did, well as naked snake/big boss, but it's still snake.
You still said Solid Snake, not Big Boss, Naked Snake, or even just Snake.

It's a Snake, and since they're cloned from each other I can't say the difference is really enough to nitpick over.
It's still two different people.

So, if I were to say Solid Snake died in the end of MGS and got his arm surgically attached to Revolver Ocelot in MGS2, even though it was Liquid Snake, I'd still be correct since they're both "Snakes", right?

[KU_]

Well, thanks captain obvious. But in your original post you didn't state it was your opinion. And your opinion is different from basically all the reviewers.

[Direwolf]

I appreciate the Splinter Cell games. They really are great.
At the same time none of those games have dropped my jaw and made me mutter something along the lines of "Holy God" when something happened onscreen.
So far all three 3D Metal Gear Games have done that for me.

[Sui]

SOLID SNAKE.

Solid snake is the ultimate warrior. He has been cloned from Big Boss himself, who helped create the ultimate fighting style- CQC - and single handedly took on the Boss and her Cobra unit. But that's not the best part of Snake's profile, oh no. You see, Snake was the "defect" clone of Big Boss. He was created simply so that Liquid and Solidus could live. He recieved all of Big Bosses infiriour genes...

...Which were probally his best. You see, Solidus and liquid are arrogant, agressive, unruly and hasty. They are the side of Big Boss that likes to rush into things, using brute force and not a care in the world for the concequences. But Solid Snake is different... Snake... he tends to be more careful. He slithers past his enemies, gaining an advantage through stealth, and then pounces. He also has some other "defected" genes... the genes that allow him to love. To care. To carry an emotion into battle. You see, you can't fight for the goverment or anyone else. You have to set your own rules, fight for what you believe in, so that you can sculpt a better tomorrow.

And that's why Snake wins. He has something to believe in. And what does Snake belive in, you ask? Well now, Why don't you ask him yourself...? :)

*edit* Just to say, I take pride in my imagionation, which is why I like MGS. I mean, why would I want to play Splinter cell when I could just play a game that has an amazing story, as well as characters you come to sympathise with... and care for.

Metal Gear Solid, In my opinion, is the best game EVER made. I would choose t o play MGS over HalfLife2 any day. I even like it better than WoW, and that's saying something.

[Sparta]

SOLID SNAKE.

Solid snake is the ultimate warrior. He has been cloned from Big Boss himself, who helped create the ultimate fighting style- CQC - and single handedly took on the Boss and her Cobra unit. But that's not the best part of Snake's profile, oh no. You see, Snake was the "defect" clone of Big Boss. He was created simply so that Liquid and Solidus could live. He recieved all of Big Bosses infiriour genes...

...Which were probally his best. You see, Solidus and liquid are arrogant, agressive, unruly and hasty. They are the side of Big Boss that likes to rush into things, using brute force and not a care in the world for the concequences. But Solid Snake is different... Snake... he tends to be more careful. He slithers past his enemies, gaining an advantage through stealth, and then pounces. He also has some other "defected" genes... the genes that allow him to love. To care. To carry an emotion into battle. You see, you can't fight for the goverment or anyone else. You have to set your own rules, fight for what you believe in, so that you can sculpt a better tomorrow.

And that's why Snake wins. He has something to believe in. And what does Snake belive in, you ask? Well now, Why don't you ask him yourself...? :)

*edit* Just to say, I take pride in my imagionation, which is why I like MGS. I mean, why would I want to play Splinter cell when I could just play a game that has an amazing story, as well as characters you come to sympathise with... and care for.

Metal Gear Solid, In my opinion, is the best game EVER made. I would choose t o play MGS over HalfLife2 any day. I even like it better than WoW, and that's saying something.
MGS was the one on Shadow Moses or something wasn't it? Where you start off and you go up that elevator onto that snowy island? That was pretty cool. Never played the full game though.

[Gray Fox]

SOLID SNAKE.

Solid snake is the ultimate warrior. He has been cloned from Big Boss himself, who helped create the ultimate fighting style- CQC - and single handedly took on the Boss and her Cobra unit. But that's not the best part of Snake's profile, oh no. You see, Snake was the "defect" clone of Big Boss. He was created simply so that Liquid and Solidus could live. He recieved all of Big Bosses infiriour genes...

...Which were probally his best. You see, Solidus and liquid are arrogant, agressive, unruly and hasty. They are the side of Big Boss that likes to rush into things, using brute force and not a care in the world for the concequences. But Solid Snake is different... Snake... he tends to be more careful. He slithers past his enemies, gaining an advantage through stealth, and then pounces. He also has some other "defected" genes... the genes that allow him to love. To care. To carry an emotion into battle. You see, you can't fight for the goverment or anyone else. You have to set your own rules, fight for what you believe in, so that you can sculpt a better tomorrow.

And that's why Snake wins. He has something to believe in. And what does Snake belive in, you ask? Well now, Why don't you ask him yourself...? :)

*edit* Just to say, I take pride in my imagionation, which is why I like MGS. I mean, why would I want to play Splinter cell when I could just play a game that has an amazing story, as well as characters you come to sympathise with... and care for.

Metal Gear Solid, In my opinion, is the best game EVER made. I would choose t o play MGS over HalfLife2 any day. I even like it better than WoW, and that's saying something.

QFT, that made me cry.

[MarcoPollo]

Snake and Sam fish VS. Omi, serious sam and that guy from 3D monstermaze castle



team 2 would definatly win.

[jimbo118]

SOLID SNAKE.

Solid snake is the ultimate warrior. He has been cloned from Big Boss himself, who helped create the ultimate fighting style- CQC - and single handedly took on the Boss and her Cobra unit. But that's not the best part of Snake's profile, oh no. You see, Snake was the "defect" clone of Big Boss. He was created simply so that Liquid and Solidus could live. He recieved all of Big Bosses infiriour genes...

...Which were probally his best. You see, Solidus and liquid are arrogant, agressive, unruly and hasty. They are the side of Big Boss that likes to rush into things, using brute force and not a care in the world for the concequences. But Solid Snake is different... Snake... he tends to be more careful. He slithers past his enemies, gaining an advantage through stealth, and then pounces. He also has some other "defected" genes... the genes that allow him to love. To care. To carry an emotion into battle. You see, you can't fight for the goverment or anyone else. You have to set your own rules, fight for what you believe in, so that you can sculpt a better tomorrow.

And that's why Snake wins. He has something to believe in. And what does Snake belive in, you ask? Well now, Why don't you ask him yourself...? :)

*edit* Just to say, I take pride in my imagionation, which is why I like MGS. I mean, why would I want to play Splinter cell when I could just play a game that has an amazing story, as well as characters you come to sympathise with... and care for.

Metal Gear Solid, In my opinion, is the best game EVER made. I would choose t o play MGS over HalfLife2 any day. I even like it better than WoW, and that's saying something.
*SNIFF* I love you man ;(

oh yeah sparta you should definately check out mgs1,do you have a ps1?if you have a gamecube you could get the remake,you really should play it,it was a landmark game

[Fat Tony!]

In the end, snake isn't that stealthy. He always gets caught so easily. But he makes up for that by being a really good figher, Sam is just mr sneaky and in the end would get torn to pieces by snake

[Sir Phoenixx]

What I didn't get about that when I heard that ingame, is if Solid Snake got the inferior/recessive genes and Liquid Snake got the superior/dominant genes, how is it that Solid is the one that looks exactly like Big Boss? The recessive genes are the ones that didn't show up, Solid Snake would have looked differently, Liquid Snake would have been the one that looked like Big Boss.

[Gray Fox]

solid dyed his hair, and as for liquid, well I forgot his explenation, but you should check out a mg fansite for that, just google it.

[Sir Phoenixx]

but you should check out a mg fansite for that
Those "explanations" came from a MGS fansite? They're not correct unless it comes from Konami and/or Hideo Kojima.

[Asuka]

Solid Snake BY FAR!

Metal Gear Solid was one of the greatest games of all time. The story, dialogue, characters. Everything was perfect. If i would have to pick 3 best games of all time. They would be:

Deus Ex
Half-Life 2
Metal Gear Solid

All 1st place.

[jimbo118]

also snakes knows nothing else but war etc,hes a loner who lives in the wilderness in alaska living off the flaura and fauna whereas sam is at home babysitting his daughters love child :hmph:

[<RJMC>]

What I didn't get about that when I heard that ingame, is if Solid Snake got the inferior/recessive genes and Liquid Snake got the superior/dominant genes, how is it that Solid is the one that looks exactly like Big Boss? The recessive genes are the ones that didn't show up, Solid Snake would have looked differently, Liquid Snake would have been the one that looked like Big Boss.

you are wrong is the oposite

[Axyon]

It's fairly obvious that the series of Snakes have been designed with the intention of appealing to the masses, while Sam is just there as a believable character, who appears to have a much more 'niche' fanbase. Sam will always be my favourite of the two, though... I must point out that some of the arguments as to why Snake is better are really quite ridiculous and laughable. Heh.

[Gray Fox]

It's fairly obvious that the series of Snakes have been designed with the intention of appealing to the masses, while Sam is just there as a believable character, who appears to have a much more 'niche' fanbase. Sam will always be my favourite of the two, though... I must point out that some of the arguments as to why Snake is better are really quite ridiculous and laughable. Heh.

No not really, Sam more superficial of the two characters. He is just designed to be cool, has very little personality, he just makes very sarcastic jokles but for the rest he is made not to offend anyone. Snake on the other hand is far deeper character, we know more about him, his good sides and his flaws, thats why there are people that really like him, but also people that hate him.

But anyways you win, jimbo's last post covinced me that sam is far thougher.
also snakes knows nothing else but war etc,hes a loner who lives in the wilderness in alaska living off the flaura and fauna whereas sam is at home babysitting his daughters love child
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I mean 7 giant walking battleships are nothing compared to that.

[Axyon]

But anyways you win, jimbo's last post covinced me that sam is far thougher.

I mean 7 giant walking battleships are nothing compared to that.This comment tells me you must not have had much experience at all with the Splinter Cell games. May I suggest you actually try playing them first before brushing them aside. If you had played them you would know that we see about 10 seconds of Sam's daughter throughout the entire series of games, and during that time it ends up with Sam being placed back into his line of work, rather than having to 'babysit' her. But hey, you'd know that if you'd played them.

:rolleyes:

[jimbo118]

It's fairly obvious that the series of Snakes have been designed with the intention of appealing to the masses, while Sam is just there as a believable character, who appears to have a much more 'niche' fanbase. Sam will always be my favourite of the two, though... I must point out that some of the arguments as to why Snake is better are really quite ridiculous and laughable. Heh.
i think you'll find sam has been designed 4 the masses as he is just your stereotypical tough guy with no layers or personality at all mar a few cheesy jokes thrown in,sam=the poor mans snake :eek:

[Samon]

I honestly think this is a ridiculously pointless argument :P

[KU_]

i think you'll find sam has been designed 4 the masses as he is just your stereotypical tough guy with no layers or personality at all mar a few cheesy jokes thrown in,sam=the poor mans snake :eek:

Snake- A guy still sporting a mullet... :sleep:

[jimbo118]

Snake- A guy still sporting a mullet... :sleep:
thats true...

[Direwolf]

It's a tactical mullet.

[Icarusintel]

It's a tactical mullet.
Yeah, you see his inventory? It's all stored in the mullet, cause obviously the Stinger won't fit anywhere else

[jimbo118]

Yeah, you see his inventory? It's all stored in the mullet, cause obviously the Stinger won't fit anywhere else
lol :laugh:

[duffers20]

i'm quite surprised about that result actually, i think sam fisher would be way better tahn solid snake, and I have played the mgs series on teh ps2.

[OCybrManO]

Fisher was winning by 8+ for a while... then the next time I checked Snake took the lead and hasn't lost it since then.

[MarcoPollo]

Snake- A guy still sporting a mullet... :sleep:

Thats why hes cool. Any guy with a mullet that fights robots is pretty sweet in my book.

[KU_]

Tactical Mullet. Lmfao!!!

[Foxtrot]

i think you'll find sam has been designed 4 the masses as he is just your stereotypical tough guy with no layers or personality at all mar a few cheesy jokes thrown in,sam=the poor mans snake :eek:
Snake is your typical veteran, flashbacks and a gruffly voice..yay!

[jimbo118]

Snake is your typical veteran, flashbacks and a gruffly voice..yay!
but snake invented that :naughty: and then ubi copied the formula flashbacks?

[Dalamari]

wtf people, Sam has an entire GOVERNMENT behind him, Snake has Otacon and....Otacon....for all we know, Snake is a terrorist.

[Lemonking]

Snake would own Sams ass

[Lemonking]

SOLID SNAKE.

Solid snake is the ultimate warrior. He has been cloned from Big Boss himself, who helped create the ultimate fighting style- CQC - and single handedly took on the Boss and her Cobra unit. But that's not the best part of Snake's profile, oh no. You see, Snake was the "defect" clone of Big Boss. He was created simply so that Liquid and Solidus could live. He recieved all of Big Bosses infiriour genes...

...Which were probally his best. You see, Solidus and liquid are arrogant, agressive, unruly and hasty. They are the side of Big Boss that likes to rush into things, using brute force and not a care in the world for the concequences. But Solid Snake is different... Snake... he tends to be more careful. He slithers past his enemies, gaining an advantage through stealth, and then pounces. He also has some other "defected" genes... the genes that allow him to love. To care. To carry an emotion into battle. You see, you can't fight for the goverment or anyone else. You have to set your own rules, fight for what you believe in, so that you can sculpt a better tomorrow.

And that's why Snake wins. He has something to believe in. And what does Snake belive in, you ask? Well now, Why don't you ask him yourself...? :)

*edit* Just to say, I take pride in my imagionation, which is why I like MGS. I mean, why would I want to play Splinter cell when I could just play a game that has an amazing story, as well as characters you come to sympathise with... and care for.

Metal Gear Solid, In my opinion, is the best game EVER made. I would choose t o play MGS over HalfLife2 any day. I even like it better than WoW, and that's saying something.



well ist by far the best Console game thats true

[Sparta]

well ist by far the best Console game thats true
Ahem......














ZELDA: OCARINA OF TIME


Jeez...some people....

[Lemonking]

Ahem......














ZELDA: OCARINA OF TIME


Jeez...some people....



yeah if 12-13 true

[Sir Phoenixx]

Sam has an entire GOVERNMENT behind him
Just like Solid Snake...

Terrorists (Foxhound) captured a nuclear weapons base in/around Alaska and threaten to launch if their demands aren't met, Solid Snake is sent in by the government to stop them.

In MGS2 he's acting alone, and in MGS3, Big Boss/Naked Snake is sent by the CIA.

[jimbo118]

wtf people, Sam has an entire GOVERNMENT behind him, Snake has Otacon and....Otacon....for all we know, Snake is a terrorist.
snake is a terrorist,care to explain that?you mean coz of what he did in mgs2?1 mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter blabla

[Direwolf]

Actually, in MGS2 Snake WAS a terrorist. His organization, "Philanthropy", was branded a terrorist fringe group by the government.

[jimbo118]

Actually, in MGS2 Snake WAS a terrorist. His organization, "Philanthropy", was branded a terrorist fringe group by the government.
i know, but in most peoples eyes they werent,ie.people who played the game knew they were doing the right thing

[OCybrManO]

i know, but in most peoples eyes they werent,ie.people who played the game knew they were doing the right thing... and? Terrorists "know" they are doing the right thing... especially suicide bombers. I mean, if you know you can't survive the mission you had better be damn sure (in your mind) that you're doing it for a good reason.

[jimbo118]

... and? Terrorists "know" they are doing the right thing... especially suicide bombers. I mean, if you know you can't survive the mission you had better be damn sure (in your mind) that you're doing it for a good reason.
wat r u on about,did i mention suicide bombers r anything,no so stfu

[OCybrManO]

I'm just pointing out the fact that your only arguments against someone saying Snake was a terrorist in MGS2 are that "people . . . knew they were doing the right thing" and "in most peoples eyes they werent." Do you see how the same arguments could be used by people we call "terrorists" to justify their actions? In their eyes they do what is necessary to get results because they have no alternative methods that would accomplish the same goals. Also, in many cases the so-called "terrorists" have the support of the public. There are two sides of every conflict. The people on your side are always "freedom fighters" or the "good guys" while the people fighting for the other team are "terrorists" or "evil-doers." It's all about perspective.

You don't have to have an aneurysm over it. Wow, and really... I can't stress this enough: When trying to call someone an idiot it would behoove you to use proper spelling, grammar, and syntax.

[Absinthe]

Sam wins because he'd get a height advantage, be uber sneaky, and then snipe off Snake, then he'd make a funny dry comment.

Snake, upon confronting Sam, would beat him for a moment, hold him at gunpoint, and then delve into a long-winded soliloquoy about philosophy, complete with flashbacks and shit. During this time, while Snake is ranting, Sam would be able to do heart surgery with his knife.

[MarcoPollo]

Snake would tie up sam and then have an acid flashback and flip out and sam would cut off hand and choke him with it

[jimbo118]

I'm just pointing out the fact that your only arguments against someone saying Snake was a terrorist in MGS2 are that "people . . . knew they were doing the right thing" and "in most peoples eyes they werent." Do you see how the same arguments could be used by people we call "terrorists" to justify their actions? In their eyes they do what is necessary to get results because they have no alternative methods that would accomplish the same goals. Also, in many cases the so-called "terrorists" have the support of the public. There are two sides of every conflict. The people on your side are always "freedom fighters" or the "good guys" while the people fighting for the other team are "terrorists" or "evil-doers." It's all about perspective.

You don't have to have an aneurysm over it. Wow, and really... I can't stress this enough: When trying to call someone an idiot it would behoove you to use proper spelling, grammar, and syntax.
when did i ever mention anything outside mgs2,i didnt so dont start banging on about situatons outside the context of what i said,dont associate me with views i never made pls,tbh i dont think you understood what i said about mgs2,i presumed most people knew the story but maybe you dont,

if you did play mgs2 you'd realise that snake was labelled a terrorist by the government(who are the patriots) after the tanker incident which they blamed on him even though they staged the whole thing to put stop to his work in the un-recognised philantrophy group,they wanted to put stop to him so they framed him for this 'terrorist incident' and he was hunted,THATS why i said people who played the game knew they werent terrorists so please learn the facts,thats why i got angry with you ...

and pls dont be so petty to excuse people of poor grammar,you know i did this to save time

[Direwolf]

Actually, I think Snake himself, if not his organization, was considered a terrorist before the tanker incident. Otacon talks about it when he boards the tanker.
They've been covertly destroying Metal Gear projects all over the globe apparently after Shadow Moses. We know Snakes not a bad "terrorist" as we'd think of him since he doesn't kill anyone on these missions and just blows up some hardware that would destroy the world.

[Sui]

I have noticed that my previous post was unsuccessful in making the whole forum love Solid Snake. So I’m going to try again. Well, I haven’t played a Splinter Cell game all the way through, so I can’t really compare Solid Snake to Sam Fisher. Instead, what I can do, is write all the really f**king amazing things about MGS, and hope that while reading this post you all say “wow, that’s amazing” and forget who Sam Fisher is.

So here we go.

Metal Gear Solid.

Ever since I was nine years old I’ve been intrigued by the MGS series. The cut scenes, the action, the stealth gameplay, the bosses… MGS has always been like playing a movie. But the one thing that struck me about it over everything else, was the emotion. No other game has ever touched me in the way that MGS did… Even at nine years old, I could see how Snake slowly evolved from a gruff, brutal killer interested in only himself, to someone who was capable of caring- loving. All snake thought about was the battlefield… until he met Meryl… and realised that life shouldn’t revolve around war.

The first time I played MGS, I was hell-bent on getting stealth camouflage, so naturally I gave in to Ocelot’s torture. To put it simply- if you survive the Torture, you get the bandanna (infinite ammo) and Ocelot lets some woman life. If you surrender, you get stealth. Back then, I didn’t pay much heed to the story behind a game ( politicians, patriots and terrorist demands went in one ear and out the other ); But as I was nearing the end of Snake‘s journey, suddenly the situation hit me like a bullet to the back of the head.

I’m sitting on the floor, grasping my controller, with my finger hovering over the square button. My eyes wander. To my left, is the enemy; Metal Gear Rex. To destroy it is the objective… my mission. But to my right, is a few pixels blinking on the screen… Just another Computer controlled character… and as I hoist the rocket launcher onto my shoulder, I realise I can’t do it. Just pressing the square button would unleash my rocket, destroying Metal Gear, and delivering me my Stealth Camouflage…. But the blinking pixels would be destroyed as well… and that’s what bothers me…

I drop the controller. Suddenly I realise. Those Blinking pixels are more than just a bunch of lines and colours… they’re Grey Fox. My friend… my companion… And I can’t kill him. The mission can wait. The camouflage can wait!

And as I watch Metal Gear crush his exoskeleton into dust, I grasp the controller tight. From what I remember, this was the first time my hands had sweated while playing a computer game. That Metal Gear was going to hell, even if I had to go with it. For the next few minutes, I wasn’t sitting on my living room floor, tapping buttons furiously while my mum prepares the dinner; I was in an underground base, battling for my life and my honour, vigorously duelling with my opponent over the death of a close friend. Metal Gear Solid wasn’t a game… it was an experience.

When the battle was over, I watched the cut scenes closely this time. Absorbing the information… involving myself in the characters conversations. Sure, I didn’t really grasp the concept of the Gene Soldiers, but Liquid’s attitude made me cringe. He was just such an utter bastard.

But then…

He revealed… that Meryl was still alive. Suddenly I remembered back when she had been shot by Sniper Wolf… I remembered the pain that snake felt, the pain that I felt. Again, just like Grey Fox, it was the feeling of being completely helpless when someone you have fought alongside, grown to know… even love… is destroyed in front of you. I remembered her face.. Those blinking pixels… she was in pain. She no longer cared for war, for FoxHound… because I had shown her the horrors of war. How could I have done that?

Liquid unties the ropes binding my hands together.

It doesn’t matter now. That bastard will get what’s coming to him, and I’ll save Meryl and make it up to her. The whole building will blow up in 10 minutes… I can do this.

The battle starts.

* Whack,*, Liquid takes my health down by loads. Damnit, my hands are shaking now. I haven’t even hit him yet…

*Whack.* And again, my health is down by loads now… I’m losing…

*Whack.* I’m starting to get the hang of this, but not much time left…

It was then that Liquid screamed at me. Just a meaningless taunt, intended to distract me… but in actual fact it helped me realise something. He said, “Time is running out”.

Meryl.

And from that moment on, I slowly hunched over the TV screen, staring at the characters, battling so that those blinking pixels called “Meryl” wouldn’t leave my screen… ever. I fuelled all my anger and hatred into each button press, every swift movement of my finger was so that Meryl wouldn’t die. I beat liquid back, again and again, punch after punch, and as the fight was reaching the end- as the timer was running out- as both health bars were almost depleted…!

*WHACK*
…
…
“SNAAAAAAAKEE!*
…
*thump*

Liquid was dead.

Without hesitation, Snake ran over to Meryl and untied the ropes around her hands. My eye’s weren’t blinking, I was staring at the characters, hoping, praying that Meryl was fine.

…

Meryl… was dead.

Bang, the word echoed through my mind like a gunshot. Dead.

I remembered back at the torture chamber… Ocelot said that if I gave in, the woman would die… and I f**king gave In. Because I was intent on getting some shitty stealth camouflage, I let Meryl die. I let her die… and for what? Some extra for the game? A crappy piece of technology that makes you invisible? That’s now what MGS is about! It’s not about sneaking past enemies, or hiding, or shooting the bad guys… It’s about the emotions that can flourish on the battlefield. It’s about the sadness that I felt when Meryl was shot. It’s about the hatred I felt when my best friend was killed. It’s about the anger I felt when fighting my bastard brother, and it’s about the regret I felt when I let Meryl die.

You see, Snake started off as a battle hardened veteran who only felt alive when he was killing, just like YOU when you first started playing- you enjoy the action, the stealth, the cool way you kill people and the tension of escaping and outsmarting your enemies. But later on, snake doesn’t fight for the thrill of battle, or the joy of war. He fights so that the people he has watched develop and evolve on the battlefield, don’t die. He fights for a reason other than killing.

And so do you.

[jimbo118]

Actually, I think Snake himself, if not his organization, was considered a terrorist before the tanker incident. Otacon talks about it when he boards the tanker.
They've been covertly destroying Metal Gear projects all over the globe apparently after Shadow Moses. We know Snakes not a bad "terrorist" as we'd think of him since he doesn't kill anyone on these missions and just blows up some hardware that would destroy the world.
actually otacons tells snake that they are officially recognised by the un,still fringe but recognised,the un dont recognise terrorists now do they?

[Sulkdodds]

Very good. :D

But Thief 3 is better than both of them.

EDIT: Ignoring Thief 3, I've gotta say I'm a much bigger fan of MGS than Splinter Cell. Besides the plot and emotion, which Suicide's already covered, Splinter Cell seems to me (and I havent played Chaos Theory or MGS3) to be too linear and the places where you can use your 'special abilities' too fixed. In MGS2 you can clear an area in so many more different ways, or not clear it at all. That said, I love SC too. :p

[jimbo118]

I have noticed that my previous post was unsuccessful in making the whole forum love Solid Snake. So I’m going to try again. Well, I haven’t played a Splinter Cell game all the way through, so I can’t really compare Solid Snake to Sam Fisher. Instead, what I can do, is write all the really f**king amazing things about MGS, and hope that while reading this post you all say “wow, that’s amazing” and forget who Sam Fisher is.

So here we go.

Metal Gear Solid.

Ever since I was nine years old I’ve been intrigued by the MGS series. The cut scenes, the action, the stealth gameplay, the bosses… MGS has always been like playing a movie. But the one thing that struck me about it over everything else, was the emotion. No other game has ever touched me in the way that MGS did… Even at nine years old, I could see how Snake slowly evolved from a gruff, brutal killer interested in only himself, to someone who was capable of caring- loving. All snake thought about was the battlefield… until he met Meryl… and realised that life shouldn’t revolve around war.

The first time I played MGS, I was hell-bent on getting stealth camouflage, so naturally I gave in to Ocelot’s torture. To put it simply- if you survive the Torture, you get the bandanna (infinite ammo) and Ocelot lets some woman life. If you surrender, you get stealth. Back then, I didn’t pay much heed to the story behind a game ( politicians, patriots and terrorist demands went in one ear and out the other ); But as I was nearing the end of Snake‘s journey, suddenly the situation hit me like a bullet to the back of the head.

I’m sitting on the floor, grasping my controller, with my finger hovering over the square button. My eyes wander. To my left, is the enemy; Metal Gear Rex. To destroy it is the objective… my mission. But to my right, is a few pixels blinking on the screen… Just another Computer controlled character… and as I hoist the rocket launcher onto my shoulder, I realise I can’t do it. Just pressing the square button would unleash my rocket, destroying Metal Gear, and delivering me my Stealth Camouflage…. But the blinking pixels would be destroyed as well… and that’s what bothers me…

I drop the controller. Suddenly I realise. Those Blinking pixels are more than just a bunch of lines and colours… they’re Grey Fox. My friend… my companion… And I can’t kill him. The mission can wait. The camouflage can wait!

And as I watch Metal Gear crush his exoskeleton into dust, I grasp the controller tight. From what I remember, this was the first time my hands had sweated while playing a computer game. That Metal Gear was going to hell, even if I had to go with it. For the next few minutes, I wasn’t sitting on my living room floor, tapping buttons furiously while my mum prepares the dinner; I was in an underground base, battling for my life and my honour, vigorously duelling with my opponent over the death of a close friend. Metal Gear Solid wasn’t a game… it was an experience.

When the battle was over, I watched the cut scenes closely this time. Absorbing the information… involving myself in the characters conversations. Sure, I didn’t really grasp the concept of the Gene Soldiers, but Liquid’s attitude made me cringe. He was just such an utter bastard.

But then…

He revealed… that Meryl was still alive. Suddenly I remembered back when she had been shot by Sniper Wolf… I remembered the pain that snake felt, the pain that I felt. Again, just like Grey Fox, it was the feeling of being completely helpless when someone you have fought alongside, grown to know… even love… is destroyed in front of you. I remembered her face.. Those blinking pixels… she was in pain. She no longer cared for war, for FoxHound… because I had shown her the horrors of war. How could I have done that?

Liquid unties the ropes binding my hands together.

It doesn’t matter now. That bastard will get what’s coming to him, and I’ll save Meryl and make it up to her. The whole building will blow up in 10 minutes… I can do this.

The battle starts.

* Whack,*, Liquid takes my health down by loads. Damnit, my hands are shaking now. I haven’t even hit him yet…

*Whack.* And again, my health is down by loads now… I’m losing…

*Whack.* I’m starting to get the hang of this, but not much time left…

It was then that Liquid screamed at me. Just a meaningless taunt, intended to distract me… but in actual fact it helped me realise something. He said, “Time is running out”.

Meryl.

And from that moment on, I slowly hunched over the TV screen, staring at the characters, battling so that those blinking pixels called “Meryl” wouldn’t leave my screen… ever. I fuelled all my anger and hatred into each button press, every swift movement of my finger was so that Meryl wouldn’t die. I beat liquid back, again and again, punch after punch, and as the fight was reaching the end- as the timer was running out- as both health bars were almost depleted…!

*WHACK*
…
…
“SNAAAAAAAKEE!*
…
*thump*

Liquid was dead.

Without hesitation, Snake ran over to Meryl and untied the ropes around her hands. My eye’s weren’t blinking, I was staring at the characters, hoping, praying that Meryl was fine.

…

Meryl… was dead.

Bang, the word echoed through my mind like a gunshot. Dead.

I remembered back at the torture chamber… Ocelot said that if I gave in, the woman would die… and I f**king gave In. Because I was intent on getting some shitty stealth camouflage, I let Meryl die. I let her die… and for what? Some extra for the game? A crappy piece of technology that makes you invisible? That’s now what MGS is about! It’s not about sneaking past enemies, or hiding, or shooting the bad guys… It’s about the emotions that can flourish on the battlefield. It’s about the sadness that I felt when Meryl was shot. It’s about the hatred I felt when my best friend was killed. It’s about the anger I felt when fighting my bastard brother, and it’s about the regret I felt when I let Meryl die.

You see, Snake started off as a battle hardened veteran who only felt alive when he was killing, just like YOU when you first started playing- you enjoy the action, the stealth, the cool way you kill people and the tension of escaping and outsmarting your enemies. But later on, snake doesn’t fight for the thrill of battle, or the joy of war. He fights so that the people he has watched develop and evolve on the battlefield, don’t die. He fights for a reason other than killing.

And so do you.
*sniff*seriously dude,i love you,well maybe not but you get me,like koj said snake=you,the gamer

that was a cool thing in mgs that if you survived the torture(and surviving wasnt just hard gamewise,constantly bashing circle is tough on the finger)a character would live...

[jimbo118]

Very good. :D

But Thief 3 is better than both of them.

EDIT: Ignoring Thief 3, I've gotta say I'm a much bigger fan of MGS than Splinter Cell. Besides the plot and emotion, which Suicide's already covered, Splinter Cell seems to me (and I havent played Chaos Theory or MGS3) to be too linear and the places where you can use your 'special abilities' too fixed. In MGS2 you can clear an area in so many more different ways, or not clear it at all. That said, I love SC too. :p
yeah thief 3 is gr8,brilliant story imo too,i really hope there'll be a thief 4,its sorta been semi-confirmed

[Direwolf]

actually otacons tells snake that they are officially recognised by the un,still fringe but recognised,the un dont recognise terrorists now do they?
I said that while Philanthropy is officially recognized, they don't seem to have a very good idea about Snake himself. It would seem that they've probably never officially connected the organization to him strongly enough to make it a problem.

[jimbo118]

I said that while Philanthropy is officially recognized, they don't seem to have a very good idea about Snake himself. It would seem that they've probably never officially connected the organization to him strongly enough to make it a problem.
you never said it was recognised by the un,i said that,but yeah your right,as snake said himself that if this mission goes wrong "we're going right off the fringe",it seems they tolerated snakes actions as he never killed anyone but helped rid the world of nukes

edit,lol this makes me want to play mgs2 again

[Sulkdodds]

Holy shit...what's with the carrots?

[AmishSlayer]

Im surprised this discussion has gone on so long over a simple poll.

Suicide42 is right...Snake wins hands down simply because of his character depth...and his awesome game.

[Sparta]

yeah if 12-13 true
Ahh not true. Statiscally speaking, its the highest ranking game ever according to www.gamerankings.com

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/197771.asp

Followed by Metal Gear Solid on Gameboy Colour not the PS1 version.

[BHC]

look since i'm the only gay in the village, snake > sam in a fight ok

[jimbo118]

Holy shit...what's with the carrots?
carrots?

[Absinthe]

Suicide42 is right...Snake wins hands down simply because of his character depth...and his awesome game.

Suicide's entire post was personal hyperbole and makes no real compelling argument to root for Snake except something along the lines of "OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE *splurt*".

[Raziaar]

Never played splinter cell. I heard SC: CHaos theory has coop though. Does it? Is it any good? Please let me know! I'm interested in the COOP games.

From my experience with metal gear games though... I absolutely love them. THe character depth, the storyline, is so interesting. And i'm not usually a fan of those types. I felt for all the characters surprisingly, and it was one of the most memorable games i've played for a console.

[Absinthe]

SC3 has coop and it's apparently amazing.

[Sui]

Suicide's entire post was personal hyperbole and makes no real compelling argument to root for Snake except something along the lines of "OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE *splurt*".

Did you even read it? I was stating how Snake is such a compelling character, who gradually evolves through the game, and drags you down; immersing you into his state of mind and making you witness the thorough emotions that plague him, hound him and drive him the the edges of his wavering sanity- and it is this depth that makes Snake such an involving character.

[OCybrManO]

Did you even read it? I was stating how Snake is such a compelling character, who gradually evolves through the game, and drags you down; immersing you into his state of mind and making you witness the thorough emotions that plague him, hound him and drive him the the edges of his wavering sanity- and it is this depth that makes Snake such an involving character.Who would win in a map that had trees for Snake and pipes for Sam. I think Sam would win because he'd whip out his awesome knife and hang from a tree.It's not "Who is the most emotionally deep character?"

[Sui]

It's not "Who is the most emotionally deep character?"

If it's not the best character, it completely depends on luck, and the enviroment.

I mean, in order to have a completely fair battle, the contestants would be stripped of all weapons, and the arena would be a big open space (Otherwise snake could just blow up Sam with a rocket launcher, or they would both just hide for the whole fight). In this situation Snake would win outright. He'd just run up to sam and break his neck.

In an urban enviroment, with weapons, it would probally be down to luck... basically, if one of them was to gain an advantage in stealth (if snake got behind same or vice versa) the fight would be over.

It's actually pretty equal in terms of fighting capabilities... Except snake is obviosuly better at close quater fighting, and sam is probally a bit better at hiding / sneaking...

But isn't what I just said really quite boring? I'm even boring myself. Emotion is much more interesting to write about! :D

*edit* wtf, every time I typed "sam" I instinctively spelt it "same"... strange

[Absinthe]

Did you even read it? I was stating how Snake is such a compelling character, who gradually evolves through the game, and drags you down; immersing you into his state of mind and making you witness the thorough emotions that plague him, hound him and drive him the the edges of his wavering sanity- and it is this depth that makes Snake such an involving character.

Yes, I did read it. And I'm sorry for never experiencing the deep emotional involvement you had with Snake. I personally think that the plots for the MGS series often got ridiculous. It succeeded in pulling me out of the game rather than into it.

How Snake made you feel says nothing about how he would fair against Sam Fisher.

[Raziaar]

Yes, I did read it. And I'm sorry for never experiencing the deep emotional involvement you had with Snake. I personally think that the plots for the MGS series often got ridiculous. It succeeded in pulling me out of the game rather than into it.

How Snake made you feel says nothing about how he would fair against Sam Fisher.

Maybe not... but it does influence how people will care on the outcome. From you Sam Fisher guys, you seem to be cold, unfeeling automatons. :P

So while you are fairly confident in your belief that he would win... you couldn't give a shit either way. Heh.

[Sulkdodds]

We-ll, are we discussing who has the better game, who would win in a fight or who is the better character?

My opinion: Snake has the better game (bear in mind I haven't played SC3), Snake would probably win in a fight as he seems to be just as skilled at mowing down scores of enemies as he is at sneaking - but their characters are both about as good, due to Fisher's amusing sarcasm and cynical nature.

[Planeforger]

Thief, exactly - that would be a much better matchup than MGS. Sam versus Garrett would make an interesting fight.

Garret would. I'd like to see Sam take his eye (and the Eye) from right under a god's nose. And if Garret had modern weaponry...
And, although I haven't played MGS, I'd say Snake would win, just because I dislike Sam and Splinter Cell in general. Dull game, just an ultra-linear versions of Hitman.

*raises flame shield*

[Sparta]

I've been playing Metal Gear Solid : Twin Snakes all day on my Gamecube and i gotta say

Solid Snake totally sucks balls compared to Sam Fisher.

Snake is just your average 2D badass. Sam is pretty much the same thing but at he's consistently cynical towards everything. And Sam sounds way cooler then Snake does, thanks to Michael Ironhand or whatever his name is (That sergeant guy from Starship Troopers, you know, the badass with one arm). Snake sounds like Alec Baldwin crossed with Clint Eastwood, and reminds me of what Max Payne would sound like with constipation. I dont know why but thats just what comes to mind.

but i haven't completed any MGS games yet, so i'll get back you when i have.

And after reading Sui's post about Meryl, Snake and all that jazz, it appears that it has almost nothing to do with Snake and all to do the game's connection to the player through making them care about other characters. I.E: Meryl.

[Venmoch]

Pffttt They both suck. Sgt Cortez would kick both their asses.

[Sui]

And after reading Sui's post about Meryl, Snake and all that jazz, it appears that it has almost nothing to do with Snake and all to do the game's connection to the player through making them care about other characters. I.E: Meryl.

It puts you in Snake's shoes, which helps you to relate to him; see the world in the same war-orientated pesimism as him. The game and the character's context are just as important then the character themselves, anyway.

[Sulkdodds]

Snake is just your average 2D badass.

Who is completely disillusioned with the world of shooting, fighting, secret operations but despite himself only feels alive when he's engaging in such antics, hates himself for that, is also cynical and cracks wise about things, and despite the fact that he was literally made to be a killer has managed to break free, foster relationships and now believes in fighting for what you believe in above all else? Doesn't sound much more 2D than Sam Fisher to me.

[Mac Daddy]

well in hand to hand i dont know who would win but in stealth definetly sam fisher because that is his job. mgs is anime on steroids turned into a game. i mean i started playing it on ps2 at my cousins house and it took about 30 mins to get to the game and quite frankly snake is a pussy.

[Absinthe]

You wanna talk about how conflicted Snake is? Well, feel free to load me up with more ammo.

If Sam is such a cold and single-minded killer, then I guess I could depend on him for efficiency and results.

[Pesmerga]

I don't know how many times he's made me chuckle with an inappropriately-timed dry comment.

"You mean, I'm gonna hit one for the gipper?"
"What the hell does that mean anyway?"

[Axyon]

"Sam, what the hell do you think you're doing?"
"He asked for it."

[Teta_Bonita]

well Solid Snake eats rabbits. cute, fluffy, rabbits. Did you ever see Same Fisher eat a rabbit? I DONT THINK SO!!
Snake wins.

[Sparta]

Who is completely disillusioned with the world of shooting, fighting, secret operations but despite himself only feels alive when he's engaging in such antics, hates himself for that, is also cynical and cracks wise about things, and despite the fact that he was literally made to be a killer has managed to break free, foster relationships and now believes in fighting for what you believe in above all else? Doesn't sound much more 2D than Sam Fisher to me.
Yeah thats a little more indepth but really just standard action hero stuff now-a-days. I mean, take John McClane from the Die Hard movies. He's a hopeless drunk, sarcastic bastard with loads of problems in his job and at home. Average stuff really.

[Pesmerga]

"Sam, what the hell do you think you're doing?"
"He asked for it."

"What?"
"Yeah, you must be a ninja."
"Look, I'm gonna kill you if you don't shut up"
"Wow, killed by a ninja. *gasp* So cool."

At that point I shoved a knife through his back. Made alot of noise on that 'ninja wood' crap :|

[Sulkdodds]

&q