Your preferable character in hl2 expansion [Archive]

nutcrackr

07-01-2005, 01:34 AM

I think Adrian would be cool just because of history, but I think a combine soldier moving up through the ranks to combine elite then eventually betraying Breen and turning into a Stalker(the limbless ones) for his betrayal would rock so badly.

Edit: What announcement about an expansion? The one which Gabe said Alyx would be fun to play? I remember no official conformation :o

bboymatty

07-01-2005, 02:52 AM

nah guys, adrian shepard through and through, and no combine bullshit either.

he just gets plonked down in the middle of the street in his fatigues and with the same guns from hl1:opfor and starts blasting the crap out of anything.

pure poonage.

also, gearbox should make the expansion as they are responsible for shepard in the first place

bring in the drill instructor for good times too.

DO U READ ME DIRTBAG?

Tantalus

07-01-2005, 03:53 AM

Shepard. Maybe Barney in the week. But combine are to meh.

hegele

07-01-2005, 04:45 AM

Barney, during your absence for a week

thats a great idea! Maybe the resistance began to think that their leader (Freeman) was dead, and they all turned to Barney for leadership. The huge gathering of resistance fighters came during that week anyway, it would be amazing to be Barney rounding up and encouraging more fighters.

Another thing thats great about that idea is that there wont be any conflicts about interacting with Freeman (because you see ech other alot in HL2).

Excellent idea Samon.

TAOakenshield

07-01-2005, 05:20 AM

A cool expansion pack for Adrian Shepard would be him fighting in the 7-hour war. The G-man, thinking that his employers have gained control of Xen and Earth has put him away a bit to swiftly and, within a few hours, when the Combine strikes down upon Earth (and Xen, supposedly) the G-man rapidly brings Adrian back to put him in charge of some elite military commando which is given the mission to infiltrate and destroy one of the first citadels to have spawned in the middle of an important city. It could be some kind of "last resort" effort to regain control of Earth and destroy the Combine while they haven't completely set in.

Of course it would end in Shepard's failure, or capture, and he could become one of the first metrocops.

If that capture happened someway through the game maybe you could play the last part as a metrocop "who hasn't completely turned to the combine" (Adrian could fake some kind of assimilition and/or disguise himself) and be one of the first to secretly set up the Resistance, side-by-side with Barney or something like that.

That would rock beyond anything imaginable! :thumbs:

There could be material for endless hours of exciting story and action... if, of course, this works within Valve's story (i.e. if the G-Man's goal is really to win back the Earth for his employers, etc)

Anyways, food for thoughts.

Samon

07-01-2005, 08:20 AM

thats a great idea! Maybe the resistance began to think that their leader (Freeman) was dead, and they all turned to Barney for leadership. The huge gathering of resistance fighters came during that week anyway, it would be amazing to be Barney rounding up and encouraging more fighters.

Another thing thats great about that idea is that there wont be any conflicts about interacting with Freeman (because you see ech other alot in HL2).

That'd be great :D

Sid Burn

07-01-2005, 10:30 AM

A combine soldier would be great!!!

Scotsman

09-01-2005, 12:02 AM

Shephard would be cool, although we may only see him if gearbox do an expansion. Plus, he'd fit into the timeline quite well. With skills almost comparable to Freemans, Gman isn't gonna just leave him in that space prison thing. My guess is G-Man will use him to help Gordan behind the scenes, setting things up for him and occasional cameo sightings of him etc.

kupocake

09-01-2005, 09:35 AM

Barney, I also think it's the most likely, and at that it's most likely to be in the missing week. It's also a very economical descision to make as well, voice actor wise: No need to hire the voices for Eli or Alyx or Barney, probably not even Mossman or the G-Man and maybe not even Breen. They could create a bunch of new characters, say have a network of leaders doing certain things, and Barney turning up and co-ordinating this stuff.

After that, I vote for the Combine Soldier. Shepherd is really not an important character, in fact - he's barely a character at all. Though I suspect that fan pressure may persuade Valve to bring him back...

Samon

09-01-2005, 12:58 PM

Though I suspect that fan pressure may persuade Valve to bring him back...

Unfortauntley

The Monkey

09-01-2005, 01:01 PM

Give me an official source that says that Alyx will be in the next expansion.

Walter

09-01-2005, 07:18 PM

I think this will help ( only that the website is in dutch ) .

http://www.gamereactor.dk/texter/?id=58676&PHPSESSID=18ff1e16340ce7007d2f9b18acfba050

It's an interview with Doug Lombardi .

The Monkey

09-01-2005, 07:36 PM

I think this will help ( only that the website is in dutch ) .

http://www.gamereactor.dk/texter/?id=58676&PHPSESSID=18ff1e16340ce7007d2f9b18acfba050

It's an interview with Doug Lombardi .

It's danish. I can read it, but it'll take some time.

Grundlegod

09-01-2005, 07:41 PM

I think taht it would be wonderful to be either a combine soilder questioning his role in this system or Adrian sheperd. It would be sweet to see how angry sheperd would be after getting out of that stasis :P

vsaravia

09-01-2005, 09:28 PM

I voted for Combine Soldier. I can come up with various story lines and plots for that expansion. ;)

lasagne

09-01-2005, 11:10 PM

a barnicle. that would be the most excited and intruiging plot for the expansion

kupocake

09-01-2005, 11:18 PM

It would be sweet to see how angry sheperd would be after getting out of that stasis :P
This is precisely what is wrong with wanting Shepherd back. He's only going to be as angry as you are when you load up the game. HL series Player-Characters are constructed from a player's experiences, their gun hand and a few NPCs who refer to you by the name your character has. If you remove the player's experiences, the player characters in these games become nothing. There is no character development, so surely bringing these characters back to play in expansions is ultimately pointless?

Selerox

10-01-2005, 12:10 AM

In an ideal world, I'd vote for Dog ;)

DeusExMachina

10-01-2005, 12:13 AM

Adrian Shephard. Opposing Force 2 ^__^.

Firefox

10-01-2005, 01:35 AM

Shepard or Calhoun.

Phat-t

10-01-2005, 02:24 AM

Well I don't think being a Combine Soldier or Metrocop would make too much sense because I'm pretty sure when combine soldiers go through the conversion process, their free will is taken away, with all those implants in them and everything (check the "stripped combine soldier" model in the model viewer, its what they look like after they've been converted to a combine soldier). Also even though Metrocops are supposedly human "volunteers" and are rumored to be still human, im pretty sure they would have to go through some kind of brainwash proccess or something before becoming a metrocop. Therefore, as a combine soldier or a Metrocop, you can't have some kind of moral dilemma and suddenly rebel against the combine. You'd only be killing civilians, resistence members, and zombies the whole game and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be too much fun. So I think we can rule the possibility of being a combine soldier the whole expansion out. Maybe they could have you as a Metrocop that wasn't brainwashed properly or something, but the chances are slim in my book.

That said, for an expansion I'd like to find out what happened to Shepard.

Dr. Freeman

10-01-2005, 04:14 AM

Unfortauntley

why is it unfortunate?
Adrian Shepherd is a popular character.. almost as much as Gordon is.. and for good reasons...so why it would it be "unfortunate" to bring him back i don't understand.
anyway the poll is showing Adrian as the run away winner...i really hope Valve gives/caves in to this demand.

its not alot to ask really.

BRODIEMAN2k4

10-01-2005, 04:25 AM

Shepard no contest

Joe

10-01-2005, 04:40 AM

Personally, I see no fun that could come from being a combine soldier/elite/CP/etc.

From playing HL2, they all seemed generic. None of the soldiers had any personality. Even the Marines in HL had some lines besides those that are in combat, talking about Gordon. I recall one line being something such as "Killing aliens is one thing, but civilians? Who ordered this operation anyway?" Or "So what is it with this Freeman guy anyway? All I know is he's been killing my buddies. Oh he'll pay, he'll definately pay"

The Combine soldiers/elites lacked any of that kind of character.

Adrian I would really like to see make a return. Not as a combine soldier or any of the like though. How he became associated with them is moronic. Adrian was detained by the G-man. If anything, he's going to be used similiar to Gordon Freeman. Just because he was a US Marine, doesn't necessarily mean he has to be in somesort of military organization such as the Combines.

The 7 hour war is a perfect excuse to implement Adrian. How though, well, that is left to the imgination of Mod makers and Valve.

BRODIEMAN2k4

10-01-2005, 04:46 AM

Plus Shepard survived the Black Mesa incident when he shouldnt have, even the gman was trying to have him fail. Yet he survived, which proved he would be useful to the Gman.

kupocake

10-01-2005, 09:02 AM

The Combine soldiers/elites lacked any of that kind of character.
PICK UP THE CAN.

it's kind of the point of the Combine that they're lacking in individuality.

Adrian Shepherd is a popular character.. almost as much as Gordon is.. and for good reasons...
I challenge you to name one good reason for Shepherd's popularity.

DEATH eVADER

10-01-2005, 10:01 AM

I would like to have it feature the gman, back in the haydays when he could walk and talk like a normal person. The mod could also explain thatnifty gift of teleportation.

Jellyman

10-01-2005, 10:03 AM

Can you Vote twice (he he) :devil:

Murray

10-01-2005, 12:09 PM

I must go with Adrian Shephard.
Opposing Force was an awesome mod/expantion and I really want to know what happened to him. Blue Shift wasn't ecually entertaining though.
I don't see why it would be fun to play as a combine soldier either, they only torture other people and what would my assignment be? Kill the revolutionists(is that a real word?)? Meh, that wouldn't be too fun in my opinion.
Finally, playing as Gordon Freeman, nope, that is the purpose of Half-Life 3. Period.

Sid Burn

10-01-2005, 01:04 PM

why is it unfortunate?
Adrian Shepherd is a popular character.. almost as much as Gordon is.. and for good reasons...so why it would it be "unfortunate" to bring him back i don't understand.
anyway the poll is showing Adrian as the run away winner...i really hope Valve gives/caves in to this demand.

its not alot to ask really.
well, maybe in HL3... you'll fight together with Adrian. If Alyx was the side kick in HL2... maybe he'll be the one in HL3. :cool:

Samon

10-01-2005, 01:07 PM

well, maybe in HL3... you'll fight together with Adrian. If Alyx was the side kick in HL2... maybe he'll be the one in HL3.

Hopefully not, Shepard sucks :P

Dr. Freeman

10-01-2005, 03:41 PM

I challenge you to name one good reason for Shepherd's popularity.

i'll give u two.

hes a survivor just like Gordon and hes a bit of the anti-hero as well..(since he was sent in to "clean up" the mess and ends up straying orders) and these days, anti-heroes are popular :p

kupocake

10-01-2005, 05:57 PM

i'll give u two.

hes a survivor just like Gordon and hes a bit of the anti-hero as well..(since he was sent in to "clean up" the mess and ends up straying orders) and these days, anti-heroes are popular :p
But he has no character! These reasons are ones you just make up because you experienced the game - you are Shepherd, but nothing happens to the character, it happens to you. It's great from our point of view, but it renders such a character worthless.

Dr. Freeman

10-01-2005, 07:16 PM

But he has no character! These reasons are ones you just make up because you experienced the game - you are Shepherd, but nothing happens to the character, it happens to you. It's great from our point of view, but it renders such a character worthless.

well the same could be said about Gordon since u essentially are Gordon.
if they were to make an expansion based around Adrian, they could develop the character...which is still better IMHO than creating a whole new character just for an expansion through the eyes of a Combine solider.

besides, hasn't it always been about us, the gamers? IE, what we like and dislike.

Angry Lawyer

10-01-2005, 08:14 PM

Bah, if you want an anti-hero, pick Thomas Covenant. He'd be good at fighting Combine/sulking about leprosy/blowing things up with wild magic.

People these days wouldn't know a proper anti-hero if it bit them in the face...

-Angry Lawyer

kupocake

10-01-2005, 08:23 PM

which is still better IMHO than creating a whole new character just for an expansion through the eyes of a Combine solider.
There's no reason why an entirely new character wouldn't be equally compelling, considering how excited people got about Shepherd with so little to work with.

I say make a new character - they can do far more interesting things with them. If they bring back Shepherd, it'll be just a repeat of HL2 itself, no matter what contrived story they think up for getting him somewhere interesting.

Samon

10-01-2005, 08:28 PM

I am seriously hoping they dont bring back Shepard, or anything from opposing force, it really would tick me off.

But hey, Race x wont be makign a return at least :D

Spread the good word!

Walter

10-01-2005, 08:36 PM

... playing as Gordon Freeman, nope, that is the purpose of Half-Life 3. Period.

exactly .

Walter

10-01-2005, 08:39 PM

Hopefully not, Shepard sucks :P

Shephard rocks !

Samon

10-01-2005, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Walter
Shephard rocks !

Haha, i guess its your opinion, but hopefully, whether its your opinion or not, vavle completley disregard him from the universe of half life 2 :D

jondy

10-01-2005, 09:34 PM

Blatantly Calhoun will be making a return. F'kin love the street wars - one of the best parts of Hl2 IMHO.

Walter

10-01-2005, 09:48 PM

Haha, i guess its your opinion, but hopefully, whether its your opinion or not, vavle completley disregard him from the universe of half life 2 :D

Never heard of that .

Joe

10-01-2005, 09:56 PM

PICK UP THE CAN.

The Combine that tells you to pick up the can is CP, Not a soldier or Elite. I "personally" believe that the CPs are merely humans, Not the Trans-humans the Elites and Soldiers are. Perhaps I should have clarified that more.

it's kind of the point of the Combine that they're lacking in individuality.

Exactly why I feel it wouldn't be enjoyable to play as one.

Though, maybe Valve could work something using the CP angle, it seems like more trouble then it's worth, especially with fans seemingly "demanding" and expansion pack with a more memorible character, such as Barney or Shepherd, etc.

Joe

10-01-2005, 10:02 PM

I challenge you to name one good reason for Shepherd's popularity.

Shepherds popularity arises from the fact that people are naturally curious as to what happened to him. Barney was present in Half Life 2, so the demand for a Barney expansion probably is not nearly as high as that for Opposing Force. The ending of Opposing Force left me wanting to know what happened to him, and it seems many share this concern. That's my .02 anyway.

Samon

10-01-2005, 10:08 PM

Never heard of that .

Hence the hopefully

kupocake

10-01-2005, 10:15 PM

Shepherds popularity arises from the fact that people are naturally curious as to what happened to him.
I suppose that's a good enough reason. But there's not much more beyond this curiosity, and why does this have to be shown by making the character playable? Valve are only going to be able to make so many expansions, so why not do something different, especially as bringing back Shepherd will just work in the same way that bringing back Freeman did.
The Combine that tells you to pick up the can is CP, Not a soldier or Elite. I "personally" believe that the CPs are merely humans, Not the Trans-humans the Elites and Soldiers are. Perhaps I should have clarified that more.
The topic starter has already stated that he meant the combine collectively as the masked humanoids from HL2, so I was collectively considering them and offering an example of individuality. Actually, scrap that: I had spent the entire day knocking a drinks can off a desk and asking bemused kids to "Pick Up the Can", so I was just going BS on you :P That said, if an expansion focused on a combine viewpoint, it would surely star a metrocop or else give some reason for why a soldier/elite would suddenly get individuality. Individuality is something that Breen dislikes and probably tried to get rid of in the higher ranks, but guys like Mr Pick Up the Can represent a Combine force where individuality still exists, and where we could get an Expansion character from.

BigBrother

10-01-2005, 10:38 PM

sheperd would be awesome.....but I think father grigori would be cool too

Angry Lawyer

10-01-2005, 10:41 PM

Actually, scrap that: I had spent the entire day knocking a drinks can off a desk and asking bemused kids to "Pick Up the Can"

You're my new hero.
Still, I agree with your idea of individuality amoungst the lower ranks.

*fetches an empty drink can and prepares to nudge it off of a table*

-Angry Lawyer

BigBrother

10-01-2005, 10:50 PM

I voted for sheperd

Walter

10-01-2005, 11:15 PM

sheperd would be awesome.....but I think father grigori would be cool too

Nah , I think It would suck , because that guy probably died in the original game .

P.S. I also think It would suck playing him because he never leaves Ravenholm .

BigBrother

10-01-2005, 11:18 PM

good point...but still....."take on the role of father grigori as he immigrates to city whatever"

that'd be tight.....shotgun and all.....I would pwn the can guy

Is This Tea

10-01-2005, 11:36 PM

Shepherds popularity arises from the fact that people are naturally curious as to what happened to him. Barney was present in Half Life 2, so the demand for a Barney expansion probably is not nearly as high as that for Opposing Force. The ending of Opposing Force left me wanting to know what happened to him, and it seems many share this concern. That's my .02 anyway.
Very plausible explanation of his popularity. I wonder if the gearbox people were smart enough to plan it that way (hopping that when a hl2 came around they would be in demand again) or if it was a happy accident for them. Either way Valve will be handling the expansion pack which I am very happy about. The demand for Shepard is high. Whether or not valve decides to play it safe and acquiesce to the fans or take a risk and potentially surprise us all remains to be seen. My .02 is that valve seems to show a pattern of risk taking to me. We’ll see.

Edit:
Holy crap BigBrother… 50 posts in 3days since you joined… that officially qualifies as an assload. Metric assload.

Walter

10-01-2005, 11:42 PM

I've seen talking about Shephard in a lot of forums . Looks like everyone want to know what happened to him after OF ended .

superjuanchango

10-01-2005, 11:46 PM

Where is Father Gregory?

Pesmerga

11-01-2005, 12:04 AM

You've guys have got it all wrong. I don't pick any of those choices, I wanna be the British guy spotted talking to the Gman. Maybe he's actually an ex-combine, or an agent from the Rebellion sent to spy on the Combine? Perhaps that's why he knows the attack is heading for the town? I know that you might say that Gman told him, which is as probable as my theory, but it'd still be fun to play a guy with the only accent in the game (besides Gman's appauling lack of ability to link words together smoothly). But, from those choices, I'd go with being a metrocop. And screw helping the resistance, I wanna be a bad-guy for once.

twad

11-01-2005, 04:40 AM

G-MAN! we can pratice our omnipresence and giggle at gordon when he look for us pointlessy.

The Mexican

11-01-2005, 09:10 AM

Adrian Sheapead. I want to know what happen to him after op4

Sid Burn

11-01-2005, 10:32 AM

Adrian Sheapead. I want to know what happen to him after op4
Maybe Shepard is fighting on another planet helping to liberate it against the combines. :cool:

Samon

11-01-2005, 12:49 PM

Maybe Shepards dead in a grave, i can only hope.

Walter

11-01-2005, 03:14 PM

No way !

SilentGunz

11-01-2005, 03:17 PM

official spokesperson? right...

But I agree, definately Adrian Shepherd. We need to know what happened to him after he was put in holding.

Nap

11-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Okay, stupid question... but who the heck is Adrian Shepard?

Samon

11-01-2005, 04:10 PM

Okay, stupid question... but who the heck is Adrian Shepard?

The main character of opposing force

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 04:12 PM

adrian shepard = poor man's gordon freeman

Samon

11-01-2005, 04:28 PM

adrian shepard = poor man's gordon freeman

:bounce:

Sigged!

Mint_Sauce

11-01-2005, 04:40 PM

I wanna play as DOG

Dr. Freeman

11-01-2005, 05:52 PM

Maybe Shepards dead in a grave, i can only hope.

dun hate :|

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 05:54 PM

congratulate

$kelet0r

11-01-2005, 06:04 PM

What have people got against shephard
he rocked
op4 was excellent as well made as many top modern games

have him fight the 7 hour war first zombies in the suburbs, then the remnants of the vortigaunt and there combined brothers the alien grunts, gargantua and flocking floater, then synths, then combine tanks and infantry - that would be incredible!!!

Very disturbing that so many want to be a combine - torture, murder, evil, alien.
Kill them imo

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 06:07 PM

I agree...sheperd and gordon should join forces

kupocake

11-01-2005, 07:18 PM

What have people got against shephard
he rocked
I want to know what everyone's got against Valve creating an entirely new character for the purpose of doing something new.

Is This Tea

11-01-2005, 07:46 PM

I want to know what everyone's got against Valve creating an entirely new character for the purpose of doing something new.
I think its lack of imagination… I bet they could learn to love a new character if the exp rocked.

Chrsim

11-01-2005, 08:50 PM

Maybe a game where you play Colonel Odessa Cubbage? That would be quite an expansion pack... The entire game consists of hiding down in basements, holding lectures, ordering resistance-fighters around and sending them towards their doom. :rolleyes:

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 08:58 PM

I wanna be a manhack

$kelet0r

11-01-2005, 09:36 PM

Don't hate shephard - he's part of the official story
and there is a huge amount of story potential in him
why wouldn't people want him back

Joe

11-01-2005, 09:39 PM

I suppose that's a good enough reason. But there's not much more beyond this curiosity, and why does this have to be shown by making the character playable? Valve are only going to be able to make so many expansions, so why not do something different, especially as bringing back Shepherd will just work in the same way that bringing back Freeman did.

Was bringing back Freeman a bad thing? :E

Of course, Shepherds Aftermath could be told in a number of ways besides playing him, but that's the most fun in "the masses" minds, and when you're dealing with a Teenage dominated community, well, I think you get the idea. :E

The topic starter has already stated that he meant the combine collectively as the masked humanoids from HL2, so I was collectively considering them and offering an example of individuality.

Ahhh, I did not catch that.

That said, if an expansion focused on a combine viewpoint, it would surely star a metrocop or else give some reason for why a soldier/elite would suddenly get individuality. Individuality is something that Breen dislikes and probably tried to get rid of in the higher ranks, but guys like Mr Pick Up the Can represent a Combine force where individuality still exists, and where we could get an Expansion character from.

Hmmm, from the CP's perspective I could see an expansion pack happening... That is assuming that my theory is correct in that the CPs are still indeed Human, and not Trans-Human such as the soldiers and Elites. This could work towards the individuality we speak of, and not the robotic-clone-no-free-mind mentality the Soldiers and Elites display.

Will have to see what Valve has in store for us, now won't we? :E

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 09:40 PM

freeman rocks the house...shepard is just as good though

Joe

11-01-2005, 09:42 PM

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 09:46 PM

I agree

Frank

11-01-2005, 10:14 PM

Barney... because I wanna see what happens during the time Gordon and Alyx is gone

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 10:16 PM

oh I didnt even think about that

Walter

11-01-2005, 10:50 PM

I would love to have that machine gun from OF instead of the Overwatch standart . Well , both of them are good , but the first one has something special .

BigBrother

11-01-2005, 10:51 PM

yeah it really did

Is This Tea

11-01-2005, 11:04 PM

Aside from it having an awesome sound effect… And moving you’re body back when it was fired…
It had relatively limited ammo... which helped to make it a special weapon…. You would only bring it out when it was time to lay down the line…

$kelet0r

12-01-2005, 08:34 PM

a minigun hivehand which launches snarks as secondary fire - now that's firepower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Walter

12-01-2005, 11:34 PM

I just love to shoot those '' Green Cows " with it .

Flyingdebris

13-01-2005, 12:49 AM

shephard without a doubt. Creating new characters is great, but tying up loose ends is better. Adrian is very much a loose end. We all know what became of gordon after hl1, ditto for barney, but we still have no clue what became of Adrian aside from being put away for later.

The 7 hour war, i think woud be too soon and too short. It happened almost right after the BMRF incident. That would mean that after all the gman's talking, he'd be back in an hour and say "oh yeah you're needed" and pluck adrian out of stasis. Plus its only 7 hours, hl2 takes about 20 hours to beat (unless you speed through)

I think if Adrian is brought back, the best place to put him would be somewhere during the post-citadel explosion revolution. Since he's not famous like THE Gordon Freeman, he'd probably be lower on the totem pole of things. He'd also probably have more stuff explained to him and eventually get a chance to become the next hero people flock to seeing as how everyone thinks Gordon is dead.

Walter

13-01-2005, 01:02 AM

I just love to shoot those '' Green Cows " with it .

With the Machine gun I mean ...

Dr. Freeman

13-01-2005, 05:30 AM

$kelet0r

13-01-2005, 09:02 AM

Sid Burn

13-01-2005, 11:06 AM

Why are people convinced the 7 hour war happened immediately after Black Mesa
Remember Nihilanth was conducting the combine invasion of earth before freeman stopped him and the gman conquered xen with earth forces
its likely it took years before breen could approach the combine again to organise the next invasion
Halflife was set 1990s - post cold war
Halflife 2 - roughly 2017
nothing suggests that the combine have been in charge for a huge amount of time as city 17 is still largely intact - not consumed.
Hmm... wrong.
1995- first establishment of contact to Xen
2000- black mesa incident. you are put to stasis at the same year. defeat of the mighty Nihilanth.
2004- combines invade earth resulting the beginning and end of 7 hours war. USA is also destroyed. this made the rest of the world surrender too. No wonder Europe and the rest(except USA) is still intact.
2010- Gordon released from stasis resulting the beginning of the defeat of the mighty combines. at the same year... he was put to stasis again.

Samon

13-01-2005, 05:01 PM

Remember Nihilanth was conducting the combine invasion of earth before freeman stopped him and the gman conquered xen with earth forces

Why do people insist, the military did not invade xen.

Quek

13-01-2005, 06:29 PM

i'd like to be an combne soldier. how would look killing freeman and killing him in the future again?!

Joe

13-01-2005, 07:47 PM

i'd like to be an combne soldier. how would look killing freeman and killing him in the future again?!

Not to good, because Valve would undoubtly make Gordon never seen in the game, let alone killable.

Walter

13-01-2005, 09:36 PM

[QUOTE=Sid Burn] No wonder Europe and the rest(except USA) is still intact [QUOTE]

What does that mean ?

kupocake

13-01-2005, 09:47 PM

USA is also destroyed. this made the rest of the world surrender too. No wonder Europe and the rest(except USA) is still intact.
Where is ANY of that said at all?

Angry Lawyer

13-01-2005, 09:56 PM

I agree with Kupoartist. There's no mention of the USA's destruction. The USA might be powerful, but, damn, it's not so powerful that the Combine would devote all their resources to demolish it.

-Angry Lawyer

Walter

13-01-2005, 10:08 PM

It is told in the game that the whole world has been conquered . Even you , Americans . That's why there are so many of you in city 17 . You were transfered there from your country .

Walter

13-01-2005, 10:12 PM

Hmm... wrong.
1995- first establishment of contact to Xen
2000- black mesa incident. you are put to stasis at the same year. defeat of the mighty Nihilanth.
2004- combines invade earth resulting the beginning and end of 7 hours war. USA is also destroyed. this made the rest of the world surrender too. No wonder Europe and the rest(except USA) is still intact.
2010- Gordon released from stasis resulting the beginning of the defeat of the mighty combines. at the same year... he was put to stasis again.

Hmm... that means that Alyx is about my age . ( I think she's 21-24 in 2010 )

kupocake

13-01-2005, 10:20 PM

It is told in the game that the whole world has been conquered . Even you , Americans . That's why there are so many of you in city 17 . You were transfered there from your country .
Being Conquered is entirely different from the total destruction that Sid Burn implies by saying that the USA is "destroyed".

And who are you calling an American?

rpgprog

14-01-2005, 05:47 AM

G-MAN! we can pratice our omnipresence and giggle at gordon when he look for us pointlessy.

def G-MAN. although better than this would be if you had some sort of commanding role. Like you went around messing with reality in order to help Gordan complete certain tasks. I.e. blocking the barriers of places he shouldn't go. that coversation with Odessa or explain the other times he was watching Gordan. And Obviously save Gordan.

If we were the G-MAN then we would def find out who hired us.

Quek

14-01-2005, 01:29 PM

and why not Father grigori?!

piggy

14-01-2005, 08:03 PM

shepard would rule ass if he was put in before the 7hour war, killing the first combine strikeforces that hit the earth, and then in the middle of everything a huge chunk of land would just float up in the air. Kaboom (imagine the particle effects) dirt would be flying all over the place, then there is a large beam from the sky, Boom (again) flash, and theres the citadel, with tons of manhacks streaming out. <Begin 7hour war>

rpgprog

15-01-2005, 05:25 AM

and why not Father grigori?!
because he doesn't leave ravenholm. So besides the maybe two hours it took to destroy it, there would be no NPC's and no story and would conflict with Gordon's adventure too much. I really do not know, but it seems like VALVe tries to avoid Gordon in its expansions, Just a thought

Milkman

15-01-2005, 06:34 AM

Bring back the Corporal!

piggy

15-01-2005, 12:13 PM

every1 vote 4 shepard

SimonomiS

15-01-2005, 12:28 PM

Why do people insist, the military did not invade xen.

But at the end of HL1, dont you see a trench in Xen with tanks and dead soldiers? Maybe my memorys hazy, but Im sure theres something that points to a Military Xen Invasion.

And for an expansion pack, how about they try and please everyone, Adrian Shepard in the 7 Hours War (Side note, if anyone hasnt seen the concept art entitled that, check it out, pretty awesome, didnt see it myself til yesterday :o ) Then he becomes a CP, before going up the ranks and getting implants to become a Prison Guard, then Combine Elite, then post-citadel explosion as he trys to fathom what to do next? Personally, Id just like to play as a Combine Elite, with single red lense vision. :E

Sid Burn

15-01-2005, 01:08 PM

But at the end of HL1, dont you see a trench in Xen with tanks and dead soldiers? Maybe my memorys hazy, but Im sure theres something that points to a Military Xen Invasion.

And for an expansion pack, how about they try and please everyone, Adrian Shepard in the 7 Hours War (Side note, if anyone hasnt seen the concept art entitled that, check it out, pretty awesome, didnt see it myself til yesterday :o ) Then he becomes a CP, before going up the ranks and getting implants to become a Prison Guard, then Combine Elite, then post-citadel explosion as he trys to fathom what to do next? Personally, Id just like to play as a Combine Elite, with single red lense vision. :E

yeah... G-man wanted the earths army to invade Xen. The reason he told you in the end that the border world of Xen is in his control now.

kupocake

15-01-2005, 05:14 PM

But at the end of HL1, dont you see a trench in Xen with tanks and dead soldiers? Maybe my memorys hazy, but Im sure theres something that points to a Military Xen Invasion.
That particular area was... particuarlly weird. There was a Xen Sky, but not a Xen landscape - the texture used for the ground was not one of the weird organic ones used in Xen, but one of the Desert Sand ones used in Black Mesa. Perhaps it was just a metaphor for the coming portal storm (Xen coming to earth).

Perhaps that's what happened - For a time, Xen could be seen in the Earth's sky as portals opened and Xen creatures came through.

Once again it's speculation, but it seems unlikely that the Earth invaded Xen at any point... Well, cept Freeman himself.

jmjneary

15-01-2005, 05:32 PM

what no alyx

Samon

15-01-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Kupoartist
Once again it's speculation, but it seems unlikely that the Earth invaded...well cept freeman himself

Agreed.

Sid Burn

15-01-2005, 05:56 PM

That particular area was... particuarlly weird. There was a Xen Sky, but not a Xen landscape - the texture used for the ground was not one of the weird organic ones used in Xen, but one of the Desert Sand ones used in Black Mesa. Perhaps it was just a metaphor for the coming portal storm (Xen coming to earth).

Perhaps that's what happened - For a time, Xen could be seen in the Earth's sky as portals opened and Xen creatures came through.

Once again it's speculation, but it seems unlikely that the Earth invaded Xen at any point... Well, cept Freeman himself.

Hmm... my best speculation about this is... maybe that battlefield was teleported by... hmm... G-man himself. :borg:

kupocake

15-01-2005, 05:57 PM

what no alyx
The poll question is "Who would you like to be in the next expansion ( after the announced one )". Alyx isn't an option, because it's about 95% probably going to be her in the "announced" expansion.

Sid Burn

15-01-2005, 06:01 PM

The poll question is "Who would you like to be in the next expansion ( after the announced one )". Alyx isn't an option, because it's about 95% probably going to be her in the "announced" expansion.
well, valve said that Alyx and Dog will indeed have an expansion... that makes it a 99% probability. :cool:

Samon

15-01-2005, 06:08 PM

well, valve said that Alyx and Dog will indeed have an expansion... that makes it a 99% probability.

100% :D

Wonder which we will play as though, me hopes dog.

amorn

15-01-2005, 06:55 PM

agree, i think u'll get to play as dog. why? because he/it/she doesnt talk!!!!! it has an armor, a grav gun already. what's more is that u can use dog strenght instead of a crowbar.

Phat-t

15-01-2005, 08:56 PM

I think that they meant you'd play as alyx with dog as a companion in more parts.

Dr. Freeman

16-01-2005, 06:55 AM

That particular area was... particuarlly weird. There was a Xen Sky, but not a Xen landscape - the texture used for the ground was not one of the weird organic ones used in Xen, but one of the Desert Sand ones used in Black Mesa. Perhaps it was just a metaphor for the coming portal storm (Xen coming to earth).

Perhaps that's what happened - For a time, Xen could be seen in the Earth's sky as portals opened and Xen creatures came through.

Once again it's speculation, but it seems unlikely that the Earth invaded Xen at any point... Well, cept Freeman himself.

perhaps Xen and Earth converging at some point like u said.. Xen coming to Earth in some sort of convergence.
while we may not agree on Adrian Shepherd, the one thing we do agree on is that it seems unlikely that Earth invaded Xen at any point.

anyway a convergence is a good explanation of what we saw at the end of OP4 but ultimately Valve can only explain it.

Angry Lawyer

16-01-2005, 10:53 AM

OR...

It could be that they couldn't change the sky texture, on-the-fly during the level, and so that part ended up with a Xen sky...

Could have happened.

-Angry Lawyer

niddhoggr

16-01-2005, 01:34 PM

I always thought that if they brought shephard back, he would be a combine elite.

niddhoggr

16-01-2005, 01:39 PM

This is precisely what is wrong with wanting Shepherd back. He's only going to be as angry as you are when you load up the game. HL series Player-Characters are constructed from a player's experiences, their gun hand and a few NPCs who refer to you by the name your character has. If you remove the player's experiences, the player characters in these games become nothing. There is no character development, so surely bringing these characters back to play in expansions is ultimately pointless?

Than why did they make half life 2 starring GF? according to you it's pointless.

Space-Bar

16-01-2005, 03:27 PM

Colonel Cubbage

kupocake

16-01-2005, 09:22 PM

Than why did they make half life 2 starring GF? according to you it's pointless.
Pretty Much. Half-Life 2 could have been about anybody and it would have been just as good. Valve only brought him back because he is iconic. Besides, Gordon Freeman is somewhat more developed than Shepherd: Both the Black Mesa and Rebellion incidents are all about the guy in the orange suit. To forget Freeman in the lore of Half-Life would be rather harder than it would to forget Shepherd who didn't really do anything that great in the overall view of things (even his victory over OP4's Final Boss was ultimately pointless, given that the G-Man nuked Black Mesa anyway).

Samon

16-01-2005, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Kupoartist
even his victory over OP4's Final Boss was ultimately pointless, given that the G-Man nuked Black Mesa anyway.

Shepard owned :p

Absinthe

16-01-2005, 11:18 PM

I voted Combine soldier and then saw the Adrian option.

But really, I'd be happy for either.

rpgprog

17-01-2005, 05:01 AM

Walter

17-01-2005, 06:24 AM

piggy

17-01-2005, 03:51 PM

shepard rules.

i rest my case.

piggy

17-01-2005, 03:53 PM

and hey absinthe where do u get it all from.. my sig ur sig... ur priceless dude :D

Joe

17-01-2005, 06:05 PM

But, VALVe really cannot make a game with Shepard, he is Gearbox's property and I really doubt they would want to pay to use him, when they can just either make a new character or use one of the existing ones. I feel even a no named civ would be more likely than Shepard, sorry guys.

From what I understand, Valve either signed something with Gearbox or bought the rights, because Opposing Force is now included in Steam. If they wanted to do an expansion pack with Shepherd, they certainly could.

kupocake

17-01-2005, 07:16 PM

Surely, Gearbox has no rights to an expansion made for someone else's liscenced product?

rpgprog

17-01-2005, 07:46 PM

perhaps, but there might be some legal consequences there really is no reason for VALVe to voluntarily get tangled up in lawsuits, because no matter what, everyone is going to buy the exp, with or without shepard

TX_101

17-01-2005, 08:06 PM

Gearbox are gay and pathetic, they stole adrian shepard from valve

Samon

17-01-2005, 08:38 PM

You will find, TX_101...that adrian shepard is gearbox's creation...

Scotsman

17-01-2005, 09:57 PM

A Valve expansion with Alyx and Dog

followed by...

A Shephard expansion made by gearbox

Sounds fair enough.

rpgprog

17-01-2005, 10:53 PM

Gearbox are gay and pathetic, they stole adrian shepard from valve

um no, VALVe paid Gearbox so they could sell Shepard.

kupocake

17-01-2005, 11:13 PM

A Valve expansion with Alyx and Dog

followed by...

A Shephard expansion made by gearbox

Sounds fair enough.
As far as I see it, a collaboration with Gearbox is unlikely. Gearbox is already busy with other projects (not least Brothers in Arms or whatever their WW2 shooter is called), but I understand that the fell out with Valve somewhat whilst developing Counter-Strike Condition Zero, which resulted in Valve shifting the project into a third developer's hands.

Samon

17-01-2005, 11:19 PM

They fell out with gearbox, i didn't hear of this? Any link source to this dispute?

kupocake

18-01-2005, 06:13 PM

They fell out with gearbox, i didn't hear of this? Any link source to this dispute?

As hinted at in this December 2002 preview, there was some sort of dispute between Gearbox and Valve which resulted in the change in developers.
That's from this (http://www.planethalflife.com/features/articles/csczhandson/)
Hands-On article from Planethalflife on Condition Zero (I found it yesterday when looking for)

A dispute, isn't so much of a "falling out", but it makes you wonder how the relationship is. Mind you, if your development house got the chance to make an expansion that's a guaranteed liscence to print money, wouldn't you be prepared to put any past dispute behind?