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Torsion
26-08-2003, 05:14 AM
Crabcakes is right, The desert eagle was created in the united states, hence it is an american gun. However, only isreal uses it for the army.
Torsion
26-08-2003, 05:16 AM
Damn, mods can delete this. It was meant as a reply to another post but I hit the wrong button.
LoneDeranger
26-08-2003, 05:16 AM
No, the deagle deserves it's own thread :)
ReZeroX
26-08-2003, 05:51 AM
hopefully there wont be a deagle in HL2. well we know there wont be but maybe theyll pick some new guns for CS2 or whatever. they need to bring in twice as many this time around.
LoneDeranger
26-08-2003, 05:56 AM
I'd like to see some heavy weapons in CS2 .. ie grenade launchers.
Mr.Reak
26-08-2003, 05:58 AM
Uh, isn't a gun used in HL2 IS a DE in fact?
Black-Falcon
26-08-2003, 05:58 AM
Oh god no! Have you ever played the game SoF2? In DM first one to get the grenade launcher usually wins. Not fun at all.
LoneDeranger
26-08-2003, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Reak
Uh, isn't a gun used in HL2 IS a DE in fact?
No it's H&K USP.
Mr.Reak
26-08-2003, 06:02 AM
Oh you are right, bleh. Oh well :)
http://www.hkpro.com/uspmatch.htm
TheOriginalEvil
26-08-2003, 06:06 AM
Lmao this desert eagle thing we started is getting big! Oh and yeah the DE better be in CS2 and Yes HL2 USP is BADASS!
TheOriginalEvil
26-08-2003, 06:09 AM
Dude wtf is wrong with you?
Flyingdebris
26-08-2003, 06:26 AM
who cares? this thread was dead before it was started but these quotes brighten it up. Cool quotes by the way...
Anwar
26-08-2003, 06:38 AM
Desert Eagle is the first truly functional Magnum-caliber semi-automatic, single action pistol. Gas operated, with non-adjustable gas system, rotating bolt for positive lock-up. Large extractor claw for very dependable extraction process. Now available in four calibers .357, .44, .440 Cor-Bon, .50 AE. All are magnums (although earlier production included .41, which is obsolete now). Customized versions include: various finish, barrels, grips, sights etc.
Development started in 1979. First Introduced on the market in 1983 as Mark I model. Originally an American idea first was produced in Israel by IMI (that stands for Israeli Military Industry). US exporter and later manufacturer - Magnum Research Inc.(Minneapolis). Though in 2000 production has been moved back to Israel, for that Saco Defence was sold.
I got that from www.about.com
It is made in Isreal so it is NOT an American gun. Not anymore anyways.
ApocalypseNow
26-08-2003, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Anwar
It is made in Isreal so it is NOT an American gun. Not anymore anyways.
DAMMIT why does a small little country get such a cool gun :flame:
its supposedly not that great of a gun. (inaccurate)
Gordon'sFreeman
26-08-2003, 08:07 AM
ITS A USP MATCH! MUAH!
I like how HL2 uses guns that aren't included in EVERY SINGLE FPS, like the m16, mp5's, deagles.
It's nice to see some fresh new weapons, some that aren't even in production yet (m29).
bizzy420
26-08-2003, 08:36 AM
grenade launchers in mp games kinda suck.
3rd Impact
26-08-2003, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by bizzy420
grenade launchers in mp games kinda suck.
I hear that. AVP2's grenade launcher was good though, IMHO.
Anthraxxx
26-08-2003, 04:02 PM
Hmmm... let's not all be CS n00bies and call the damn gun a Deagle. It's a Desert Eagle.
Anwar
26-08-2003, 06:28 PM
they actually make smaller caliber gun called the "Baby Eagle."
rootbin
26-08-2003, 09:59 PM
the desert eagle is not a very effective weapon... its extremely loud, hard to fire accurately, small clip... they have bullets for .45's that are ap, so why do you need a pistol that fires .50 rounds? its just silly.
fun to shoot though :D
TheOriginalEvil
26-08-2003, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by Anwar
they actually make smaller caliber gun called the "Baby Eagle."
No maybe your thinking of the "toddler" or "fetus" eagle.
LeeUK
27-08-2003, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by TheOriginalEvil
No maybe your thinking of the "toddler" or "fetus" eagle.
or pigeon
lol
Chris_D
27-08-2003, 12:26 AM
Hang on... IMI, who I believe manufacture the Desert Eagle, stands for Israeli Military Industries doesn't it? Does that not mean it is manufactured in Israel therefore making it an Israeli gun?
LoneDeranger
27-08-2003, 12:31 AM
Yep, from the same people who bought you the Uzi and armoured bulldozers.
Murray_H
27-08-2003, 12:33 AM
"Part of a modern return to vogue of large-calibre combat pistols, the Desert Eagle originated in the USA, but went through to production at Israel Military Industries (IMI) in Israel."
So you could say its from either the USA or Israel, and you'd probably be right. It may have been initially designed in the US, Israel liked it and bought the designs or whatever and then they refined it to how we know the Desert Eagle today. Or i may be completely wrong :)
Prince of China
27-08-2003, 12:36 AM
The equivilent of the deagle is the Colt. M1911-A1(To me it is).
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Tredoslop
The equivilent of the deagle is the Colt. M1911-A1(To me it is).
Could you elaborate on that a little?
They are very differant guns.
.......
The .50 DE ...is nothing but a trophy peice.
Originally posted by Alau
I like how HL2 uses guns that aren't included in EVERY SINGLE FPS, like the m16, mp5's, deagles.
It's nice to see some fresh new weapons, some that aren't even in production yet (m29).
Ive been saying that even since i joined these forums....but there are alot of l33t CS players that diasagree, so watch your ass. :P
XtAkm4p
27-08-2003, 12:50 AM
damn, i wanna shoot a deagle... is it any fun? how much is one?
why? its overall a not so good gun.
And I have shot guns before i dont find it that fun. Gets boring fast unless your shooting at real people. Thats not legal though.
Letters
27-08-2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by subs
why? its overall a not so good gun.
And I have shot guns before i dont find it that fun. Gets boring fast unless your shooting at real people. Thats not legal though.
Hehe... it may not be legal... but it sounds like you have some experience...
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by subs
why? its overall a not so good gun.
And I have shot guns before i dont find it that fun. Gets boring fast unless your shooting at real people. Thats not legal though.
Thats a retarded comment....i bet you wouldnt have the balls to shoot someone if you had the chance.
"damn, i wanna shoot a deagle... is it any fun? how much is one?"
biggest handguns ive shot are a .45 and a .357 magnum .....
The .357 hurts like bitch if you dont grip it right. ...so i imagine the .50 isnt any better.
Prince of China
27-08-2003, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by crabcakes66
Could you elaborate on that a little?
They are very differant guns.
.......
The .50 DE ...is nothing but a trophy peice.
Ive been saying that even since i joined these forums....but there are alot of l33t CS players that diasagree, so watch your ass. :P
Well, they both have 7 rounds so, that's why to ME the M1911-A1 is like an equivilent-except a bit better.(Duh!)
dont be a bitch, i was trying to make a point and was being sarcastic.
Im trying to say that shooting at cans and bricks with any gun does get boring. (well for me atleast)
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Tredoslop
Well, they both have 7 rounds so, that's why to ME the M1911-A1 is like an equivilent-except a bit better.(Duh!)
The 1911 is an awsome, effective weapon, witch has been proven over the last 100 years.
I dont see how the fact that the .50 DE has a 7 round mag.....makes it equivalent.
Originally posted by subs
dont be a bitch, i was trying to make a point and was being sarcastic.
Im trying to say that shooting at cans and bricks with any gun does get boring. (well for me atleast)
try shooting old appliances... :) that never gets boring.
FoB_Ed
27-08-2003, 01:14 AM
And I have shot guns before i dont find it that fun. Gets boring fast unless your shooting at real people. Thats not legal though.
I have a solution! Just buy a paintball or airsoft gun (airsoft guns are like BB guns except they shoot plastic instead of metal BBs) and shoot anyone you want!
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by FoB_Ed
I have a solution! Just buy a paintball or airsoft gun (airsoft guns are like BB guns except they shoot plastic instead of metal BBs) and shoot anyone you want!
I wouldnt reccomend shooting at anyone who has a real gun.
Anthraxxx
27-08-2003, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by TheOriginalEvil
No maybe your thinking of the "toddler" or "fetus" eagle.
No, he means Baby Eagle.
From Magunmresearch.com
Baby Eagle® Pistol Available Again
9mm, .40 S & W, .45 ACP
The baby of the Desert Eagle family offers an excellent handgun value and plenty of firepower. Just like the Desert Eagle, the Baby Eagle features a barrel with polygonal rifling to reduce barrel wear and enhance contact between the bullet and the bore. The grip is exceptionally comfortable and well-liked by shooters.
The Baby Eagle is available in 3 calibers, with variations resulting in a total of 9 separate models. The compact (short frame and barrel) and semi-compact (short barrel) pistols have the same excellent shooting characteristics as the standard (full-size) Baby Eagle and are ideal for shooters with smaller hands. All Baby Eagles are black and all are made of steel except the versions with polymer frames. All Baby Eagle magazines hold 10 rounds.
Suggested retail $499.00.
Prince of China
27-08-2003, 03:43 AM
A sweet Handgun, the SW99.
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by Anthraxxx
No, he means Baby Eagle.
From Magunmresearch.com
Baby Eagle® Pistol Available Again
I think it was a joke bro.
screw the DE....i want this
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg83-e.htm
Anthraxxx
27-08-2003, 04:17 AM
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg83-e.htm
nah, screw that. If you want a revolver, get a Raging Bull
Prince of China
27-08-2003, 04:20 AM
Oh yea? Check this one out.
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by Anthraxxx
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg83-e.htm
nah, screw that. If you want a revolver, get a Raging Bull
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Taurus_Raging_Bull.htm
nah...its not as cool looking :P
TheOriginalEvil
27-08-2003, 04:46 AM
haha crab all the sudden your a weapon know it all, shows how good google is. =]
Prince of China
27-08-2003, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by crabcakes66
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Taurus_Raging_Bull.htm
nah...its not as cool looking :P
The more cooler a weapon looks doesnt mean it's more powerful, the cross-bow in Half-Life was pretty ugly but it was strong.
XtAkm4p
27-08-2003, 09:00 AM
woot raging bull's from brasil
oh yeah
crabcakes66
27-08-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by TheOriginalEvil
haha crab all the sudden your a weapon know it all, shows how good google is. =]
I just wanted to see what it looked like .. :P
Gunner
27-08-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by crabcakes66
screw the DE....i want this
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg83-e.htm
That has got to be the most beautiful firearm in the history of mankind! Even better looking than the Raging bull! Great find Crabby :D
Gunner
27-08-2003, 08:30 PM
By the way when I was in transit in Amsterdam the other day, there were these leaflets lying around in the coffee shops advertising a store in the Airport... Now the funny thing is it says (anyone who speaks dutch can translate I don't know what it really says):
"Nepwapens Zijn Geen SOUVENIRS" with pictures of a colt pistol, a colt rifle, and a desert eagle and on the back glocks and sauer sigs or whatever... One gun even has a price tag of 270 euros! It's funny that they're actually selling replicas in an airport! lol :0
Sushi
27-08-2003, 08:52 PM
lol, the raging bull or the desert eagle would be great for big game hunting, take down an elephant with a clip :p
Anthraxxx
28-08-2003, 12:05 AM
I think it'd be funny to go deer hunting with dual Desert Eagles. I don't think that there would be any deer left after you are done killing it....
Boogaleeboo
28-08-2003, 08:23 AM
I think it'd be funny to go deer hunting with dual Desert Eagles. I don't think that there would be any deer left after you are done killing it....
That, or they'd eat you as you were rolling around on the ground with broken wrists.
I'll take a .22 over a .50 any day.
Ridic
28-08-2003, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Boogaleeboo
That, or they'd eat you as you were rolling around on the ground with broken wrists.
I'll take a .22 over a .50 any day.
moron....
taking a .45 or a .40 or a 9mm over a .50 is one thing....taking a .22 is just stupid...for anything...
Doobz
28-08-2003, 08:30 AM
a .22 is basically an m-16 round, although an m-16 is longer
SilentKilla
28-08-2003, 08:44 AM
I didnt read any of this but the first post, so dont flame me, but if im not mistaken, which i probably am, i thought the Desert Eagle was originated in Isreal, Magnum Research incorp makes it now. I recently bought a 9mm Baby Eagle.
Ridic
28-08-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Doobz
a .22 is basically an m-16 round, although an m-16 is longer
yea...um...not really. I have an AR-15 which is the same thing as an m16, just the civilian model. It fires 5.56mm rounds....which is a lot bigger and longer than a .22. A lot FATTER and a lot LONGER....so dont say crap when you have no idea what your talking about....
Let me shoot you with my little .22, then let me shoot you with my AR-15....yea, i think you will know after that.
SilentKilla
28-08-2003, 08:53 AM
I just bought a Walther P-22, man that shit is l337z0r, it fits my hand like a glove. this isnt mine, but its the exact same.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/upload/976368705-1.jpg
And yes, 22. bullets dont compare to .223 at all... ever... why... even....
/me runs and hides
Ridic
28-08-2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by SilentKilla
I just bought a Walther P-22, man that shit is l337z0r, it fits my hand like a glove. this isnt mine, but its the exact same.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/upload/976368705-1.jpg
And yes, 22. bullets dont compare to .223 at all... ever... why... even....
/me runs and hides
yea, iv seen those things up close. They look really cool. Just like the walther p99? (or something) that is in the new 007 movies. Though id rather have a higher caliber pistol i would definitly buy one of those, just because it looks pretty cool, and i heard they were cheap.
SilentKilla
28-08-2003, 09:00 AM
yes, they look very similar to the P99, which i prolly would have rather had, but i got this gun for $180 instead of $280, so i had to take it. It was brand new too. The P99 runs about $500 something, they are nice guns, very cheap to shoot (.22). Leet stuff.
Originally posted by ReZeroX
hopefully there wont be a deagle in HL2. well we know there wont be but maybe theyll pick some new guns for CS2 or whatever. they need to bring in twice as many this time around.
...that would really make the game better would it
Prince of China
28-08-2003, 11:34 AM
Any weapon in Half-Life 2 that hasn't been in CS would be good.
Anwar
28-08-2003, 11:54 AM
I find most gun experts on game forums have never actually shot a gun in real life. Nor have the owned one.
gun threads are quite popular aren't they.
Anwar
28-08-2003, 12:01 PM
indeed
crabcakes66
28-08-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Anwar
I find most gun experts on game forums have never actually shot a gun in real life. Nor have the owned one.
Probobly true.
Jerjerod
28-08-2003, 07:04 PM
why dont they just give gordon one of these
http://www.accuratereloading.com/700ne.html
Masta_B
28-08-2003, 08:05 PM
Nepwapens Zijn Geen SOUVENIRS----> fake weapons are no Souvernirs(can't translate it)
Detharin
06-09-2003, 01:55 PM
Couple things. First the Desert Eagle is a damn good gun for what it does. Its meant for hard targets and long range target shooting. You can snipe with it, clean a room with it, and its a good all around gun. I own two, a mark I and a Mark XIX so i know what im talking about from experience. They need work, out of the box with the factory rust coating it wont work well. Clean it, oil it, and break it in and it will perform beautifully.
I also own a spas-12 and im rather annoyed they didnt make it a semi automatic. Yes it can function as a pump shotgun but thats only when using low power rounds like beanbags. Going into combat the semi-auto function would be used and it can dump all 8 shells in about 2 seconds. (not claiming with any degree of accurac though.)
Chris_D
06-09-2003, 02:25 PM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/images/163500_lrg.jpg
seeing this has been bumped up I thought I'd show you the new S&W 500... I saw it in a national newspaper a few weeks ago. They cost around £600 and each .50cal magnum bullet costs £3.
scribblehead
06-09-2003, 02:39 PM
Daaaamn...thats a friggin' canon!!! O_o
bastard_loud
06-09-2003, 02:43 PM
Why are people so obsessed with guns?
People only need guns if they're police or military or something along those lines. USA gun laws are the most retarded in the world.
PvtRyan
06-09-2003, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by )[eVo]( Para
By the way when I was in transit in Amsterdam the other day, there were these leaflets lying around in the coffee shops advertising a store in the Airport... Now the funny thing is it says (anyone who speaks dutch can translate I don't know what it really says):
"Nepwapens Zijn Geen SOUVENIRS" with pictures of a colt pistol, a colt rifle, and a desert eagle and on the back glocks and sauer sigs or whatever... One gun even has a price tag of 270 euros! It's funny that they're actually selling replicas in an airport! lol :0
"Fake guns are no souvenirs" :P
crabcakes66
06-09-2003, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Detharin
Couple things. First the Desert Eagle is a damn good gun for what it does. Its meant for hard targets and long range target shooting. You can snipe with it, clean a room with it, and its a good all around gun. I own two, a mark I and a Mark XIX so i know what im talking about from experience. They need work, out of the box with the factory rust coating it wont work well. Clean it, oil it, and break it in and it will perform beautifully.
I also own a spas-12 and im rather annoyed they didnt make it a semi automatic. Yes it can function as a pump shotgun but thats only when using low power rounds like beanbags. Going into combat the semi-auto function would be used and it can dump all 8 shells in about 2 seconds. (not claiming with any degree of accurac though.)
Nice to hear somone who sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Its still hard for me to believe a .50DE is an effective weapon.
Although ive read and heard the recoil on a .357 magnum is worse.... only shot a 357 once and my wrist was a little sore afterwards.
crabcakes66
06-09-2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by bastard_loud
Why are people so obsessed with guns?
People only need guns if they're police or military or something along those lines. USA gun laws are the most retarded in the world.
I dont dispute that gun laws in the usa are screwed up.....but i like guns..they can be alot of fun.
Anthraxxx
06-09-2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by ReZeroX
hopefully there wont be a deagle in HL2. well we know there wont be but maybe theyll pick some new guns for CS2 or whatever. they need to bring in twice as many this time around.
Yanno what kinda weapon selection they should have in CS2? It should be like the one in Ravenshield. 57 weapons.....and more to come with Athena Sword...
bastard_loud
06-09-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by crabcakes66
I dont dispute that gun laws in the usa are screwed up.....but i like guns..they can be alot of fun.
I suppose if you live out in the sticks, shooting empty cans or a busted copymachine can be fun. I can even imagine people getting a hardon because the shiny finish on their new Raging Bull looks so great.
But what else is there? As far as i know guns and ammo are quite expensive (dunno about ammo tho really), and there's so much cooler stuff out there to spend your hard earned money on.
Like a 256mb 9800Pro for example :)
crabcakes66
06-09-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by bastard_loud
I suppose if you live out in the sticks, shooting empty cans or a busted copymachine can be fun. I can even imagine people getting a hardon because the shiny finish on their new Raging Bull looks so great.
But what else is there? As far as i know guns and ammo are quite expensive (dunno about ammo tho really), and there's so much cooler stuff out there to spend your hard earned money on.
Like a 256mb 9800Pro for example :)
Well I do currently live in the stix....well not really but i could drive for 30 minutes and be out there.
As far as getting a boner over anything but a woman......not gonna happen. I said guns can be fun......not that i am a crazy gun fanatic. I dont even own a gun.
theres a differance bettween a raging bull looking sexy and sex.
Real guns are no more expensive than paintball.....and the ammo is cheaper....by alot.
Dont knock target shooting untill you have tried it :)
bastard_loud
06-09-2003, 03:22 PM
I wasn't aiming at you specifically with my last post Crabcakes,
but i was talking about some of the crazy gun fanatics, as you call them.
I know there's a diff between a gun looking sexy and sex.
But you have to agree with me when i say that there are people out there who have trouble seeing this difference.
As for the ammo, im quite surprised to hear that paintballammo is more expensive than the firearm kind. That just sounds very odd to me, although i'll believe you when you say so.
I'm not knocking targetshooting, because like i said, i can imagine it being fun for a while. Even done some of myself with a BB-gun.
As for the gunlaws i mentioned earlier...
In a country with such a high crimerate, lots of firearm-involved murders, highschool, snipershootings etc etc etc, isn't it just ridiculous to allow every citizen to bear arms? Keep pointing at videogames, movies and whatnot, but lets be honest here - taking away people's rights to have firearms would solve LOTS and LOTS of problems. I'm not saying it's THE solution, but it would definately help people look at other methods to resolve their "issues".
BTW if my posts seem incoherent or something, my apologies for English isn't my native language. I'm trying my best tho :)
Non-flaming Greets,
B. Loud.
crabcakes66
06-09-2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by bastard_loud
I wasn't aiming at you specifically with my last post Crabcakes,
but i was talking about some of the crazy gun fanatics, as you call them.
I know there's a diff between a gun looking sexy and sex.
But you have to agree with me when i say that there are people out there who have trouble seeing this difference.
As for the ammo, im quite surprised to hear that paintballammo is more expensive than the firearm kind. That just sounds very odd to me, although i'll believe you when you say so.
I'm not knocking targetshooting, because like i said, i can imagine it being fun for a while. Even done some of myself with a BB-gun.
As for the gunlaws i mentioned earlier...
In a country with such a high crimerate, lots of firearm-involved murders, highschool, snipershootings etc etc etc, isn't it just ridiculous to allow every citizen to bear arms? Keep pointing at videogames, movies and whatnot, but lets be honest here - taking away people's rights to have firearms would solve LOTS and LOTS of problems. I'm not saying it's THE solution, but it would definately help people look at other methods to resolve their "issues".
BTW if my posts seem incoherent or something, my apologies for English isn't my native language. I'm trying my best tho :)
Non-flaming Greets,
B. Loud.
Your english is fine dont worry about that. :)
Im really not sure if making guns ilegal to own, would solve the problem(not that making theM ilegal would happen anyway).
A qoute from another forum:
Posted by Hoagster
So, given: Here in Switzerland every man over 18 is issued an assault rifle to keep at home. Hand guns are very easy to pick up (especially across the border), ie thugs don't even need illegal channels to pick weapons. A lot of crap is coming in from places like nearby Bosnia. There are virtually no accidental shootings at home and the crime rate is very low.
Therefore, I dont think one can come straight out and say that if everybody had guns the place would fall into chaos, nor that having guns at home automatically increases the risk of killing kids, nor would I even say that everybody having guns is the reason the crime rate here is low. I think it has a whole lot more to do with the culture/attitude about guns.
bastard_loud
06-09-2003, 03:45 PM
I understand what you (and that Hoagster dude) are saying, it DOES have a lot to do with the culture and attitude towards guns.
It's just my opinion that making guns illegal for civilians, would be a little step towards the place where everybody "just gets along".
You're probably right about it not ever happening.
Anyways, i guess this is too big of a subject to discuss on a forum.
If country leaders can't seem to figure out the right way to handle this problem, i guess we can't either.
But i still think the NRA are a bunch of retards :)
Thanks for replying!
PvtRyan
06-09-2003, 03:46 PM
Yeah it's more the attitude than the actual guns, but guns certainly makes it easier for people to resolve to violence.
I don't know if crimerates rise because of the firearm laws, but violent crimes are higher I think.
"Guns dont kill people, guns help to kill people, because I think you wouldn't kill a lot of people by yelling BANG."
bastard_loud
06-09-2003, 03:53 PM
Yea, that's what i meant really. If you don't have a gun lying around, you're less likely tempted to use one if you have an issue with somebody.
Ofcourse, if you really plan to kill someone, not having a gun isn't too big of a problem. There's always knives, for example.
But stabbing someone to death is more personal i would believe, and therefore would occur less, as most murders happen in a blind rage.
theotherguy
07-09-2003, 01:36 AM
watch bowling for columbine, it should help you understand why americans are so adept to kill each other with guns
(the u.s has over 11,000 gun deaths each year, places like germany, and canada rareley have anywhere near 200, and canada is estimated to have more guns per capita)
crabcakes66
07-09-2003, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by theotherguy
watch bowling for columbine, it should help you understand why americans are so adept to kill each other with guns
(the u.s has over 11,000 gun deaths each year, places like germany, and canada rareley have anywhere near 200, and canada is estimated to have more guns per capita)
Its not quite that simple.....
Shirow-DG
07-09-2003, 03:49 AM
Its not quite that simple.....
But it's not a whole lot more complicated either :)
FoB_Ed
07-09-2003, 03:55 AM
Ofcourse, if you really plan to kill someone, not having a gun isn't too big of a problem. There's always knives, for example.
or martial arts! WATAAAAAH! :bounce:
Prince of China
07-09-2003, 04:20 AM
Who ever bumped this thread off should know that this thread is like a month old:|
theotherguy
07-09-2003, 04:20 AM
oh really? :cheese:
crabcakes66
07-09-2003, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Tredoslop
Who ever bumped this thread off should know that this thread is like a month old:|
thats funny since its no more than 2 weeks old.....
Detharin
07-09-2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by crabcakes66
Nice to hear somone who sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Its still hard for me to believe a .50DE is an effective weapon.
Although ive read and heard the recoil on a .357 magnum is worse.... only shot a 357 once and my wrist was a little sore afterwards.
Revolver or Semi Auto? Ive fired a .44 revolver and the kick was pretty bad, wheres firing my Desert Eagle the weight and design of the gun seems to control the kick better. My Mark I 357 i consider the kick to be pretty light given the weight of the gun. If your holding it right, and not limp wristing you body absorbs most of the impact and your left with a slight jerking of straight up and slightly to the right (for me at least).
The .44 on the other hand kicks harder but not to much. Its all in holding the gun properly and positioning your body. Some people recommend a weaver stance and ive found that to work well with both guns.
As for the statement about the .50 being an effective weapon, it is a good all around gun. If im busting into a room it will work well because one shot will drop most targets body armor or not. Sure a shotgun would work better, but a Desert Eagle would do fine. Just keep in mind its going to go through the target, through the wall behind the target, and probably at least another wall or two.
Ive heard rumor most SWAT or anti-terrorist groups have a Desert Eagle on hand just in case they have to deal with an armored target. This is after what happened in LA when two men in heavy body armor robbed a bank. The police issue 9mms would just splat against it.
If im sniping, a Desert Eagle with a scope should do ok. The factory sights are for 100 yards and you can add adjustable millet sights if you wish. I bought my mark XIX used, the finish had rubbed off in places and it had factory front sights and millet rear sights. In a check or two im going to get the front millets installed. You can snipe with a Desert Eagle but not at extreme ranges. I would say your fine up to 100 yards and beyond that the shooter will cause more misses than the gun.
Sulkdodds
07-09-2003, 04:17 PM
He's absolutely right. The IMI desert eagle (whether 50. or 357.) is perfect as a sniper's sidearm for close-up wetwork, or for an assault troop with a shotgun or something. It's certainly my favourite handgun in existence.
I have a question though. While my knowledge of guns is reasonably anal (despite living in the uk) I want to know what a falcon is. It's a real gun, and anyone who's played syphon filter will know it. It's apparently a modified eagle that can take any round calibre from 357. to 50. AE. Is this true?
And as for morality, I'm not against guns, but I am against bullets. Why not sell guns, but make ammunition illegal? If you must go hunting, set up reserves where you get ammo going in and get it taken away on the way out. I have nothing against love of guns, or gun collectors, but certainly a step in the right direction would be firing ranges that supply guns, and don't let you bring your own. As would banning sale of ammunition.
Oh, and paintball is the best thing ever.
Detharin
07-09-2003, 04:38 PM
A falcon as far as i know is a work of fiction. While a Desert Eagle can take a 357, 44, 440 corbor (hard to get these days), and .50 (.41 where available on an earlier model the mark VII i believe.) the 357 requires the changing of the bolt. While the bolt for the 44 and 50 is the same, a different bolt is used on the 357. It also strikes me as a bad idea to put a 357 round through the barrel that is designed for a 50. Plus youd have to carry a clip for each ammo type as a 357 shell will fit comfortable inside a 44 shell, and a 44 shell will fit inside a 50.
I just wish they would allow you to put a 10inch barrel on the desert eagle. It would be nice to have the 6inch with the laser sight and get a 10 inch with a scope attached for sniper work.
As far as video games taking liberties i still laugh about counterstrikes damage being lowered on the .50 at medium to long range and Rainbow Six Raven Shield having the option for both a 15 round magazine and a silencer for the .50.
crabcakes66
08-09-2003, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by Detharin
As far as video games taking liberties i still laugh about counterstrikes damage being lowered on the .50 at medium to long range and Rainbow Six Raven Shield having the option for both a 15 round magazine and a silencer for the .50.
I laugh at all the weapon characteristics in CS....and the fact that kids think its realictic.
Originally posted by Detharin
Revolver or Semi Auto?
It was a short barreled revolver.
..and humourously enough the guy had a lasersight on it..............
needless to say the red dot was on the ceiling more than anywhere else.
ductonius
08-09-2003, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by theotherguy
watch bowling for columbine, it should help you understand why americans are so adept to kill each other with guns
Just be sure to fast forward through the staged scenes, false information, splices speeches, manipulated images, mis-represented facts, etc, etc, etc.
Originally posted by theotherguy
(the u.s has over 11,000 gun deaths each year, places like germany, and canada rareley have anywhere near 200, and canada is estimated to have more guns per capita)
All of these numbers are wrong, just plain wrong. How the hell can you even talk of this subject without doing any research on it?
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For everyone who says the .50 DE is useless I would like to inform you that it is a good moose hunting weapon. Theres a bunch of guys around here that go out every year with thiers and hunt. You have to get within 30 meters of the moose, which makes it more sporting for the animal.
In addition, these guys can take pride in thier kills, cause it took skill for every one.
Pi Mu Rho
08-09-2003, 07:33 AM
You have to get within 30 meters of the moose, which makes it more sporting for the animal.
Why? Do you give the moose a gun too?
ductonius
08-09-2003, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by PiMuRho
Why? Do you give the moose a gun too?
No, but youre not garuenteed a single-shot take down if you try from any more.
Flyingdebris
08-09-2003, 07:59 AM
moose are pretty big, i have no hunting experience what so ever, but are they that hard to hit?
ductonius
08-09-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Flyingdebris
moose are pretty big, i have no hunting experience what so ever, but are they that hard to hit?
Well, like I said, I'm not the one doing the hunting. But the guys who go out say thats how close they get, and they do it so they get a single shot take-down and dont have to chase a moose through the bushes waiting for it to bleed to death.
Detharin
08-09-2003, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by crabcakes66
I laugh at all the weapon characteristics in CS....and the fact that kids think its realictic.
It was a short barreled revolver.
..and humourously enough the guy had a lasersight on it..............
needless to say the red dot was on the ceiling more than anywhere else.
I know the feeling on that, laser sites are good for telling how your handling the recoil. In the case of on the ceiling not very well : )
Im almost considering getting one that mounts on the trigger guard. Not so much for intimidation value as to work on my recovery. Need to get the gun refinished first though.
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