View Full Version : Another step towards theocracy
Absinthe
11-11-2004, 07:49 PM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,361521,00.html
October, I know. But I really thought that this should be brought up again for anybody that missed it.
The man is not only a bible nut, but he has no problem with mixing his religious beliefs with his work. He apparently refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. He believes that women with PMS should seek help through the bible and prayer. He thinks that birth control pills cause abortions. And whaddya know? He was put into place by an individual with heavy ties to the Bush family, despite the objection of many FDA staff members.
Mechagodzilla
11-11-2004, 07:59 PM
Ha, who's laughing at Canada's healthcare system now? :P
Four cc's of jesus, stat!
Ha, who's laughing at Canada's healthcare system now? :P
Four cc's of jesus, stat!
my aunt has cancer in canada, and her next appointment is in 6 months, they gave her 7 in the diagnosis.
CptStern
13-11-2004, 04:33 AM
my aunt has cancer in canada, and her next appointment is in 6 months, they gave her 7 in the diagnosis.
you're so full of shit. Now I'm just pissed..my father DOES have cancer and has been operated on, had radiation and has been in and out of hospitals, rehab centers etc alll in the span of a month ..so stop talking out your ass
Raziaar
13-11-2004, 04:36 AM
you're so full of shit. Now I'm just pissed..my father DOES have cancer and has been operated on, had radiation and has been in and out of hospitals, rehab centers etc alll in the span of a month ..so stop talking out your ass
How do you know he's lying? He very well could not be. I've heard from many sources that canada has great healthcare... its just sometimes the system takes a long time, and so some people are forced to opt to pay heavy prices for it in the states for more immediate service.
So before you say somebody is full of shit, just think to yourself that these things might be different on case by case basis. I've seen no reason not to believe that he indeed has a very sick relative.
And just FYI, i'm against the american medical system right now. I loathe doctors. I got charged 700 bucks for an ear infection when they just gave me a little ear splint thing inside the ear and some medicine and prescriptions(which cost extra money at walgreens)
CptStern
13-11-2004, 04:39 AM
please ..he described terminal cancer ..what doctor would postpone a treatment to someone who's dying? Terminal cancer can often be a very painful death I seriously doubt she would be in home care with amount of critical care she may need
CyberSh33p
13-11-2004, 06:18 AM
thats right, and you can't trust those immigrants to tell the truth either
K e r b e r o s
13-11-2004, 06:32 AM
CptStern seems very irritibleableblelble these days.
Whats getting your goat CptStern? <besides people like me -- thought I'd give that answer out> :D
you're so full of shit. Now I'm just pissed..my father DOES have cancer and has been operated on, had radiation and has been in and out of hospitals, rehab centers etc alll in the span of a month ..so stop talking out your ass
my aunt has cancer, she had it once before, breast cancer, now she has it again, and she not getting any chemo, because shes too "rich" , mind u she worked as a cleaning lady for 40 years.
also my cousin, 4 years old, had teh catslip, or that defect where his lip isnt shaped right, cant drink or anything. the operation was supposed to happen when he was 8, in canada, long after he would be made fun of. his mom took him the US, 2 weeks later, hes now fine.
CptStern
13-11-2004, 06:49 PM
come on what part of canada? some offshore drilling well owned by canada? please .."she wasnt rich enough?" earth to american guy ..healthcare is FREE for everyone
do you mean your cousin had a cleft palate? hmmmm a neighbour of mine's brother came from portugal with his 8 yr old son who had the same problem ..even though he wasnt canadian doctors VOLUNTEERED to freely give their time, the hospital paid for his stay and the portugeuse community paid for them to stay in canada. He had his operation one month after arriving and the last I heard the hospital was paying for a return trip so that they could follow up on his treatment (he had other problems)
there are over 50 million americans without health insurance ..that doesnt happen in canada
come on what part of canada? some offshore drilling well owned by canada? please .."she wasnt rich enough?" earth to american guy ..healthcare is FREE for everyone
do you mean your cousin had a cleft palate? hmmmm a neighbour of mine's brother came from portugal with his 8 yr old son who had the same problem ..even though he wasnt canadian doctors VOLUNTEERED to freely give their time, the hospital paid for his stay and the portugeuse community paid for them to stay in canada. He had his operation one month after arriving and the last I heard the hospital was paying for a return trip so that they could follow up on his treatment (he had other problems)
there are over 50 million americans without health insurance ..that doesnt happen in canada
toronto
"too rich" they took away her social security, and pension, cause she had to much in the bank, now shes getting her cancer treatment in america, because she like living
yes, a cleft palate, wow, why are non canadians getting better treatment than actual cnadians
CyberSh33p
13-11-2004, 10:06 PM
come on what part of canada? some offshore drilling well owned by canada? please .."she wasnt rich enough?" earth to american guy ..healthcare is FREE for everyone
do you mean your cousin had a cleft palate? hmmmm a neighbour of mine's brother came from portugal with his 8 yr old son who had the same problem ..even though he wasnt canadian doctors VOLUNTEERED to freely give their time, the hospital paid for his stay and the portugeuse community paid for them to stay in canada. He had his operation one month after arriving and the last I heard the hospital was paying for a return trip so that they could follow up on his treatment (he had other problems)
there are over 50 million americans without health insurance ..that doesnt happen in canada
interesting... aren't there about 50 million people living in canada btw? :)
Kangy
13-11-2004, 11:18 PM
toronto
"too rich" they took away her social security, and pension, cause she had to much in the bank, now shes getting her cancer treatment in america, because she like living
Sorry, but...
what?
Why the hell would they talk away all that because she's too rich? Public healthcare works, and is for the betterment of everybody.
ok, she worked as a cleaning lady for 40 years, when the government audited her, they stripped her of her pension and socail secruity. if public health care works, why did they docs give her 7 months to live, and her nect appointment for the cancer treatment is in 6? in america, shes ok now
CptStern
14-11-2004, 05:21 AM
I thought she had 7 moths to live? what? the american doctors had some sort of giant cancer deathray that is only used on disgruntled ex canadians dis-satisfied with their own healthcare system?
no, the canadian were idiots, turned out they coudl operate, and now its been 2 months after the op, so shes still worried.
Mechagodzilla
14-11-2004, 08:04 AM
no, the canadian were idiots, turned out they coudl operate, and now its been 2 months after the op, so shes still worried.
Huh? Her operation that will happen in six months happened two months ago? And therefore canadians are idiots?
Why was this even brought up in a thread about an overly religious american doctor?
I'm sorry for your aunt, but I really don't understand what (or why) you are writing.
K e r b e r o s
14-11-2004, 02:39 PM
I dont understand what any of this has to do with Theocracy.
CptStern
14-11-2004, 03:13 PM
no, the canadian were idiots, turned out they coudl operate, and now its been 2 months after the op, so shes still worried.
soooo they could operate but they decided not to do it but pretended to so that she would be worried? Your story is falling apart
soooo they could operate but they decided not to do it but pretended to so that she would be worried? Your story is falling apart
no, the canadians didint even give the thought of operating until the next 6month away visit, she went south of the border and in less than a month she was fine, finish, but no cancer
Huh? Her operation that will happen in six months happened two months ago? And therefore canadians are idiots?
Why was this even brought up in a thread about an overly religious american doctor?
I'm sorry for your aunt, but I really don't understand what (or why) you are writing.
and u, the canadians were like, "you have cancer, come back in months" she then came to the US, got the op, and is fine, she was calling the canadian docs idiots for the longest time. im writing because someone said that canada health care rocked
CptStern
14-11-2004, 03:49 PM
no, the canadians didint even give the thought of operating until the next 6month away visit, she went south of the border and in less than a month she was fine, finish, but no cancer
so let me get this straight ..she has terminal cancer yet the doctors didnt want to operate so then she went to the US for an operation, since she's canadian she couldnt have had insurance so that means she has to fork the bill for her operation ...I thought you said she worked as a cleaning lady ...hmmm did she all of the sudden strike it rich? in a conversation with my father's doctor he informed me that the total for my father's operation and radiation treatments would total close to $630,000 ...man I gotta get me a cleaning lady job they must pay big bucks ...oh and she's the idiot if she paid for a procedure she could have gotten for free.
It's starting to become more apparent that this rich, not so smart cleaning lady is a figment of your imagination
so let me get this straight ..she has terminal cancer yet the doctors didnt want to operate so then she went to the US for an operation, since she's canadian she couldnt have had insurance so that means she has to fork the bill for her operation ...I thought you said she worked as a cleaning lady ...hmmm did she all of the sudden strike it rich? in a conversation with my father's doctor he informed me that the total for my father's operation and radiation treatments would total close to $630,000 ...man I gotta get me a cleaning lady job they must pay big bucks ...oh and she's the idiot if she paid for a procedure she could have gotten for free.
It's starting to become more apparent that this rich, not so smart cleaning lady is a figment of your imagination
lol dumbass, ur making fun of my aunt having cancer, lol, thats like me saying ur dad got colon cancer from too much man secks.
the canadians though it was terminal, and she came to the us, were they did a real diagnosis, and then siad, we can cure u in like, 2 week man. her and her family paid for the op, an she saved up a god sum of money by never buying a car, tv or going out to eat and supplementing her gocery shopping by haveing a garden.
question to everyone: if u had cancer, and u had 2 chioces for an operation, wait 6 months but get it free, or pay for it and get rid of it in 2 weeks, what would u choose? cancer people, remeber that, not a face lift here
Absinthe
14-11-2004, 05:54 PM
lol dumbass, ur making fun of my aunt having cancer, lol, thats like me saying ur dad got colon cancer from too much man secks.
Actually, no. It's not the same thing.
Actually, no. It's not the same thing.
hes saying my aunts story is fishy, well thats an insult, considering she has cancer.
Lil' Timmy
14-11-2004, 06:27 PM
hes saying my aunts story is fishy, well thats an insult, considering she has cancer.i don't know who to believe, but stern is coming off as more credible.
but that's mostly because you're not making yourself clear at all.
stern is making valid points.
how am i not making myself clear? the canadian med system is so messed up my aunt may have died, where as american medicine has saved her.
fizzlephox
14-11-2004, 11:53 PM
ok, she worked as a cleaning lady for 40 years, when the government audited her, they stripped her of her pension and socail secruity. if public health care works, why did they docs give her 7 months to live, and her nect appointment for the cancer treatment is in 6? in america, shes ok now
The way you spell things so purposely wrong (you can spell government and audited but not security/secruity or next/nect?) and say things that make no logical sense marks you as one of these idiots who likes to mess around online and pretend to be something he's not. Go play a retard, you'd be much better at it.
Mechagodzilla
15-11-2004, 12:04 AM
Okay, going through the thread and attempting to understand what the hell is going on, I got this:
Eg is mad at the entirety of Canada because his aunt had to wait for free cancer treatment.
America, on the other hand, is neat-o-keen because she got to pay a large amount of money for near-instant treatment.
So, canadians are idiots because they offered to cure her cancer for free with a simple operation in a way that she did not find acceptable, while the US is great because they did the same thing for cash sooner?
She would have been cured either way you know, right?
fizzlephox
15-11-2004, 12:09 AM
This EG's some idiotic pretender who's gotten this whole topic off-track. I say we just ignore him and discuss the actual topic concerning this jesus nut doctor getting a powerful position on issues concerning women's health which should be strictly based on science and not books that tell people to read certain psalms for headaches and other ailments (which in another context could be considered some form of witchcraft).
CptStern
15-11-2004, 03:06 AM
EG ...your story is complete bull ...people with terminal breast cancer rarely recieve surgery ..why? because they are dying..that's what terminal means ..so why would your aunt need life saving surgery if the treatment for terminal cancer is usually pain management drugs? Ok maybe you meant she needed a lump removed ..which the most common form of breat cancer surgery ..it's a day procedure and usually doesnt require the person to stay overnight ..so if it was a removal of a lump I dont see why it couldnt have been done in canada.
Now if you're referring to a modified radical mastectomy, then that is ually far more serious and the patient can be bed ridden for weeks ...but it is rarely life threatening. So the conclusion is one of the following
you're aunt is no longer with us (terminal cancer)
she had a routine lumpectomy which is a simple procedure, or she had a radical mastectomy which would be more serious but would hardly be life threatening
or the most likely scenario: you lied about the whole thing just to prove your non-existant point that healthcare in the US is better (which it is but only if you pay)
The canadian said it was terminal, the ameircan docs said, right this way miss, and poof, she was cured, minus a full breast.
fizzlephox
15-11-2004, 03:57 AM
The canadian said it was terminal, the ameircan docs said, right this way miss, and poof, she was cured, minus a full breast.
Omg this is just some idiot pretending to be some kid who no speaky english. If anything he said were true he wouldn't say things like that so lightly, and like I said before the way he spells things so purposely wrong (he can spell government and audited but not security/secruity or next/nect?) and says things that don't fit together mark him as one of these idiots who likes to be retarded and pretend to be something he's not online. Arguing with him's just giving him a higher post count.
CptStern
15-11-2004, 04:19 AM
The canadian said it was terminal, the ameircan docs said, right this way miss, and poof, she was cured, minus a full breast.
you mean a mastectomy :upstare:
you mean a mastectomy :upstare:
well id ont know the full medical name, but whateverish, i neer said u didnt know ur medical jargon
and the guy above stern, shut up, my aunt, my lightlyness. "OMGZ he talks about his aunts cancerz like it was nothing" well, she doesnt have cancer now, so i think shes fine.
CptStern
15-11-2004, 03:44 PM
yet she had 7 months to live ..which was cured with a masectomy ...which only an american could have performed
this one of the dumbest debates I've ever had
Mechagodzilla
15-11-2004, 03:45 PM
Alright. Even if your aunt is real, even if she did have cancer, even if the canadian doctor made a mistake and even if the US managed to treat her, here's the point:
You're willing to damn an entire country over a single incident.
Was the american cure a fluke? Or ws it a direct result of the money?
Was the canadian diagnosis accurate? Or was it an isolated error?
Has this ever happened before? Or afterwards?
Would your aunt be any different if the operation were postponed for the four months?
Do you even know?
You're not exactly making a damning criticism of the system with argument holes like that.
Certainly nothing worth killing a thread over. The thread didn't hurt anyone.
CptStern
15-11-2004, 03:49 PM
Certainly nothing worth killing a thread over. The thread didn't hurt anyone.
mecha I usually dont condone mercy killing but in this case I'm willing to turn a blind eye? will you do the honours good sir?
* hands mecha pistol*
Mechagodzilla
15-11-2004, 03:58 PM
I don't think my services will be needed. :P
Medical examiners set the thread's time of death at 7:20 PM on November 12th of 2004. (http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?p=961044#post961044)
The thread is dead! Long live the thread!
CptStern
15-11-2004, 04:02 PM
heehee :)
whatever, dunny thing is u guys got sooo upset whilist i done care
Absinthe
15-11-2004, 09:35 PM
whatever, dunny thing is u guys got sooo upset whilist i done care
Which is exactly why you persisted in this topic, correct? :rolleyes:
BTW Spellchecker is your friend.
Scotchy
18-11-2004, 11:27 AM
This is a very stupid arguement. But not for the reasons pointed out before. Allow me to shed light!
The spelling errors made by Eg are very easy to make. Look to your keyboard. X is near C , if you type Security fast many of the letters could reverse. If you are not a formal typist but have developed from a "hunt-and-peck" technique up to a speedier typist without goign the regular route, you get in stroke patterns. Common prefixes and suffixes become so habitual in their typing pattern that a mistake of this type is very common.
About his story. If you take the time to put together what he's saying, it comes out basically like this:
His Aunt was diagnosed with terminalcancer and given 7 months to live. The Doctors she saw in Canada wanted to treat her a month before her expected death date. So she went to the US to seek alternate care. The US doctors discovered that the cancer was operable and went right to it. She was able to afford the surgery with her savings (which is pretty admirable imo) and get her masectomy.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. His problem is that a person was talking about how great the Canadiam medical system is. He had a personal story of it being not so great. So he told it. I like to thin kthat people dont go out of their way to invent a cancer infected aunt to take a swat at the Canadian socialized healthcare system.
I think his point that makes the Canadian system look bad to him is that his aunt was misdiagnosed and schedualed for treatment so close to her projected death, whereas the US doctors were able to remove the cancer with much haste.
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About this fellow that the topic is about. We all know this is bad, I cant frankly debate anything about it. It would just degenerate into "Yeah, this guy is ass... Theocracy... Bush is a monkey... MORE LIEK AMERKKKA, RITE GUYS" And who needs that?
There was a smaller story of a Pharmacist who refused to give birth control to a 33 year old woman on religious grounds. That can cause a stir im sure. But as the system is setup, Pharmacists dotn have to take the hypocratic oath... they arent bound by it. They are technically proprietors of a business, and as such have the right to refuse a sale for any reason they see fit.
At least that's how it works in the US.
Maybe that would be a better discussion topic? Might get a more varied viewpoint range.
CptStern
18-11-2004, 03:26 PM
This is a very stupid arguement. But not for the reasons pointed out before. Allow me to shed light!
The spelling errors made by Eg are very easy to make. Look to your keyboard. X is near C , if you type Security fast many of the letters could reverse. If you are not a formal typist but have developed from a "hunt-and-peck" technique up to a speedier typist without goign the regular route, you get in stroke patterns. Common prefixes and suffixes become so habitual in their typing pattern that a mistake of this type is very common.
About his story. If you take the time to put together what he's saying, it comes out basically like this:
His Aunt was diagnosed with terminalcancer and given 7 months to live. The Doctors she saw in Canada wanted to treat her a month before her expected death date. So she went to the US to seek alternate care. The US doctors discovered that the cancer was operable and went right to it. She was able to afford the surgery with her savings (which is pretty admirable imo) and get her masectomy.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. His problem is that a person was talking about how great the Canadiam medical system is. He had a personal story of it being not so great. So he told it. I like to thin kthat people dont go out of their way to invent a cancer infected aunt to take a swat at the Canadian socialized healthcare system.
I think his point that makes the Canadian system look bad to him is that his aunt was misdiagnosed and schedualed for treatment so close to her projected death, whereas the US doctors were able to remove the cancer with much haste.
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that's all fine and dandy but that doesnt explain the inconsistencies such as why they would delay an operation by 6 months. My father was diagnosed with a tumor and within a week and a half he had his operation, and it wasnt life threatening. Are you trying to tell me that a terminal case wouldnt get the same priority as a non-terminal case?
Scotchy
19-11-2004, 08:24 AM
I'm not trying to tell you anything, capn. I'm just saying that his story isnt hard to understand.
I would ask how a situation like he described could arise myself. But as I proposed; I doubt this guy would set there and concoct a fake aunt to make a point about Canadian healthcare. There's no point to it other than if you treat it as a genuine story.
Stranger things happen every day, many times a day, all over the globe.
hasan
19-11-2004, 09:22 AM
hmm well, I've heard alot of stories about doctors not caring about patients or giving completly false diagnosis.
I hanv't experienced any . thanks God. but still, I hear alot about it. so I'm willing to believe Eg's story.
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