Guess which game does not have locational damage.

[Bleeder]

HALO 2! Meaning shooting a guy in the foot will kill him as fast as shooting him in the head. and before anyone flames me about it, the sniper rifle "registers" a headshot if you hit them in the head, however hitting them in the head does not do more damage. I don't know about you guys, but I actually feel insulted by that, that is one of those things that has been done in FPS for awhile now, but they couldn't be bothered, so now the whole game is one big spray and pray fest. It just seems stupid....why regress the genre?

[dart321]

*Gasp* Holy crap! Halo 2 is now a piece of shit!

Edit: Where are you getting this from? You have the leak?

[Sparta]

Who cares?

[Bleeder]

Thank you for your well thought out and worded reply. Next time try and say something relevant.

[Bleeder]

if you dont care then you dont have to post.....posting to tell me you don't care is counter productive. (no, i dont have the leak...i don't even have an xbox, this was confirmed from a friend who questioned a rep directly while at a managers conference for EB)
I am not saying that "XBOX IS TEHSUXORZ!!!" I am pointing it out because i think it is a strange thing for them not to have in a fps and i wanted to start a discussion about it.

[KagePrototype]

It's a console FPS, and a very fast one at that. it doesn't need locational damage, which will just make things more frustrating.

[dart321]

You're really desperate to try and find fault with halo 2 huh? I'm not saying the game won't have faults, but shooting a guy in the head and him taking more damage than shooting a guy in the torso and him taking less is not a major issue with me. At all. I, and many other, do not play Halo for it's realistic approach to combat. I don't even know if what you're posting is accurate.

[AmishSlayer]

HALO 2! Meaning shooting a guy in the foot will kill him as fast as shooting him in the head. and before anyone flames me about it, the sniper rifle "registers" a headshot if you hit them in the head, however hitting them in the head does not do more damage. I don't know about you guys, but I actually feel insulted by that, that is one of those things that has been done in FPS for awhile now, but they couldn't be bothered, so now the whole game is one big spray and pray fest. It just seems stupid....why regress the genre?

That's just plain incorrect (for the most part). Hitting people in the head for getting rid of shields doesn't do any extra dmg. After the shields are down locational dmg comes into play. As you said, snipers get 1 shot headshots. I'm pretty sure this is how it was in Halo 1 too. Shields take the same dmg no matter where. In SP there are hitbox locations as well after shields are down (for the enemies that have shields).

[Bleeder]

No i'm saying if you shoot a guy in the foot it does as much damage as shooting him in th head....so there is no point to aim.....it is dumbed down....and i am not trying to find fault with halo 2, this was told to me and i happened to find that strange. I am trying to start civilized discourse, not a flame war. No Amish waht the rep has said is that the sniper rifle is a 1 shot kill no matter where you hit the guy, it just tells you if you've hit the head, but there is no point to aim for the head.

[seinfeldrules]

They just said there isnt any HP though, its all shields.

Also, how the heck do you feel 'insulted' by it. Wow.

[KagePrototype]

No i'm saying if you shoot a guy in the foot it does as much damage as shooting him in th head....so there is no point to aim.....it is dumbed down....

I'll say it again...

It's a console fps. It is hard to aim with a control pad. How is this surprising?

[Bleeder]

how is it not suprising? ok whatever, you guys obviously don't care, and would rather all have a go at me personally rather than discussing the info that i brought up, so flame away guys....have fun.

[blackeye]

off topic. Bleeder do you go to scona in edmonton?

[Bleeder]

scona?

[Dalamari]

HOLY SHITE NO LOCATIONAL DAMAGE!

Really dude, it's a thing most games don't have, although Halo 2 has some locational damage as in a headshot and body shot does diff dmg.

[KagePrototype]

how is it not suprising?

Well, like I said, Halo focuses on very fast, very violent combat. If the player is punished for not being able to target a certain body part because it's too hard on an Xbox control pad, then things become frustrating, and thus not fun.

[Prada]

No i'm saying if you shoot a guy in the foot it does as much damage as shooting him in th head

Pure bs.

First of all there is something called headshot with the sniper rifle (instant kill duh).

I believe your friend has the leak, that will explain all the french in the game :rolling: (since the french version is the leaked one)

[Stigmata]

No i'm saying if you shoot a guy in the foot it does as much damage as shooting him in th head....so there is no point to aim.....it is dumbed down....and i am not trying to find fault with halo 2, this was told to me and i happened to find that strange. I am trying to start civilized discourse, not a flame war. No Amish waht the rep has said is that the sniper rifle is a 1 shot kill no matter where you hit the guy, it just tells you if you've hit the head, but there is no point to aim for the head.And this information is from a friend who asked a guy who asked an EB manager? Now that's what I call concrete information! :dozey:

And if you're trying not to start a flame war, don't word your opinions this way. When I read your post, you really came off as an anti-Halo fanboy. Phrases like "I feel insulted", "they couldn't be bothered" and "why regress the genre" are obviously not going to go over well with Halo fans, myself included. Now please, get some CONCRETE info. Not "I heard this from a friend of a friend of a guy who owns a store that's selling the game" kind of info. The first-hand-experience kind of info. For all we know, the guy relaying or communicating the information is an idiot.

[Bleeder]

well, i see your point, but I don't really think that it should have locational damage so you would HAVE to aim for the head, so much as it should have it so that if you HAPPEN to hit their head while firing at tham it would kill them. NO my friend is the manager of an EB games...he asked the rep personally while at a managers conference.....how is that NOT concrete? And if he was an idiot why would i even tell you? I have no stake in this, i was never stoked for Halo 2, i do not own an xbox and i am not going to compare halo2 to half-life 2 as they are 2 totally different games. they will both be good in their own ways.

I am stating that IN MY PERSONAL OPINION locational damage adds to a game, and i don't think it would have been that hard to implement, and i was suprised that in as high profile a game as Halo2 they wouldn't put that in. (also i admit i could have worded my post a little less angrily, seeing as im not actually angry.)

[Stigmata]

NO my friend is the manager of an EB games...he asked the rep personally while at a managers conference.....how is that NOT concrete? And if he was an idiot why would i even tell you? I have no stake in this, i was never stoked for Halo 2, i do not own an xbox and i am not going to compare halo2 to half-life 2 as they are 2 totally different games. they will both be good in their own ways.Ahh, okay. I must have misread your post. Sorry :)

Still, this rep (and forgive me for not knowing), what exactly does he do? Is he a Bungie rep? Unless he's a Bungie rep, or unless you can say he undoubtedly, definitely played Halo 2, I have no reason to fully believe what he told you.

[Bleeder]

It's ok :) . Yes he was a Bungie rep. Looking back at my posts i can see that i did come off like a bit off a knob, and for that I apologize. i just want to know what everyones opinion on this is.

[Dalamari]

Not much reason to care if a footshot/armshot makes a diff in a game where you get .3 seconds to think.

[Stigmata]

It's ok :) . Yes he was a Bungie rep. Looking back at my posts i can see that i did come off like a bit off a knob, and for that I apologize. i just want to know what everyones opinion on this is.Well, since I haven't played Halo 2 yet, I'll just have to wait until Tuesday to find out if I'll like it or not. I think I'll enjoy it, since all the changes so far to the core experience seem to have been for the best. Except maybe the removal of healthpacks, which might hurt gameplay a bit, but unless those packs contained a single-use robot that injected biofoam into the MkV Mjolnir suit, they didn't make any sense.

[destrukt]

HALO 2! Meaning shooting a guy in the foot will kill him as fast as shooting him in the head. and before anyone flames me about it, the sniper rifle "registers" a headshot if you hit them in the head, however hitting them in the head does not do more damage. I don't know about you guys, but I actually feel insulted by that, that is one of those things that has been done in FPS for awhile now, but they couldn't be bothered, so now the whole game is one big spray and pray fest. It just seems stupid....why regress the genre?

using a pistol in halo: combat evolvd you could kill an enemy much faster [2 or so bullets] than shooting them anywhere else.

and hitting them in the head does do more damage, it can take 3 sniper bullets in combat evolved [depending on shield + life], but if you hit them in the head with full shield/life it kills them in 1 shot ?

gg.

+ this automatically makes a game crap? i'm kind of sick of hl2 fanboys claming that hl2 is sooooo awesome because of the awesome source engine and it's awesome physics.

[Venmoch]

So wait, Halo 2 should be punished because it doesn't have locational damage?

Even though it contains futuristic equipment and weaponary and is very far removed from the real world? Why would it have been useful?

[destrukt]

one more point: hl2 does have locational damage and halo2 is goign to be more successfull ? whoa, bee el to hl2.

[BHC]

But in the orginal halo headshots do more damage then foot shots, I know that. (in MP) and why all this Halo 2 vs. Half-Life 2 bullshit just let eachother enjoy your games.. that's so sad that you guys have nothing better to do then argue them against each other. :hmph:

[destrukt]

who says we don't have anything better to do :X

[Neutrino]

I dislike games with no locational damage. Not that I would by H2 anyway, but I wouldn't like that if it was true.

[Warbie]

Headshots hurt more in Halo - i'm sure they will in Halo 2.

You say you're not trolling - but the title of this thread alone suggest otherwise. You may as well have said 'ner ner nee ner ner Halo is pooo'!!11

[Newbie's Journey]

Who cares?

smart player cares

[Soundwave]

Meaning shooting a guy in the foot will kill him as fast as shooting him in the head. and before anyone flames me about it, the sniper rifle "registers" a headshot if you hit them in the head, however hitting them in the head does not do more damage. I don't know about you guys, but I actually feel insulted by that, that is one of those things that has been done in FPS for awhile now, but they couldn't be bothered, so now the whole game is one big spray and pray fest. It just seems stupid....why regress the genre?

This sounds extremely familiar...like there's another big FPS game that starts with H and ends with 2 that has this same problem...damn I can't think of the name of it.

[Edcrab]

Soundwave: You've stumped me there.

Deus Ex 2 didn't have (proper) locational damage at first, but the outcry was apparently so great that it warranted a patch to correct it. I just prefer locational damage in my games, but Halo 2 seems to be more hectic-arcade-chaos then any kind of tactical simulation, so it would fit fairly well. Hell, we don't even know if this is right.

[SidewinderX]

I am trying to start civilized discourse, not a flame war.


Then this was a fairly sad attempt at civil discourse.

Anyway, for the sake of the "discourse", if you want to explain it... You're a guy with a shield, clad in armor. The rounds hit the armor.

And regardless, I'm sure there isn't any less locational damage than there was in Halo 1. If you didn't have a problem with it then, I'm sure you won't now.

[Ames]

Natural Selection doesn't have locational damage...and it's the most widely played third party mod for HL.

[Mithrandir2]

wow you are stupid. ever heard of something called shields?

why do you suppose it takes 3 headshots as opposed to 7 (i think) chest shots to kill someone in Halo? enlighten me please

[BRODIEMAN2k4]

Halo 1 had locational damage

[chu]

Can't we try and just enjoy games anymore?

It's everyone's job to pick apart a game that other people like just because they are jealous they don't get the same amount of enjoyment from it.

...sad

[shadow6899]

destrukt, why do u think halo2 will sell/be more popular then hl2?? it MAY sell more but i highly doubt it may be more popular in the long run.... specially w/ valves support of mods.

[Sparta]

Can't we try and just enjoy games anymore?

It's everyone's job to pick apart a game that other people like just because they are jealous they don't get the same amount of enjoyment from it.

...sad
I know its so annoying and just pathetic

[Soundwave]

Not to mention hypocritical, in this case at least.

But yeah I'm going to go with pathetic as the most fitting description as well.

[brink's]

This sounds extremely familiar...like there's another big FPS game that starts with H and ends with 2 that has this same problem...damn I can't think of the name of it.
How so?
/EDIT: missed like 5 posts

[Bleeder]

Ok, i need to say one thing here, it feels like everyone is personally attacking me for stating an opinion, and saying that im a HL2 fanboy picking on Halo2......and i think you're maybe being a little bit reactionary about it. I didn't mean to be "picking on it" I was trying to point out a feature that I, as a gamer, thought they would have had in it....not because i think HL2 is any better than Halo2, but because I LIKE BUNGIE. This is a feature that i feel adds to the game, and I was personally upset that it wasn't going to be in the game,and that was all i was trying to say.

I have been called "pathetic..annoying...sad....hypocritical" and been accused of "trolling" so far in this thread, even after I apologized for my initial post. I guess that wasn't good enough so here you go...I apologize for my poor choice of wording on the title of the thread, I apologize for voicing my opinion in a way that you guys all found offensive, I apologize for apparently being an idiot in all things under the sun, I apologize for any insults you may have felt I slung. Most of all I apologize for attempting (as misguided and idiotic an attempt as it apparently was) to start a conversation. Had i known it was going to make me feel like this big a pile of shit, i never would have bothered. thnx for th ego boost.

[Planeforger]

Not that I particularily care about this "civilized discourse", but the Halo side seems to be defending itself by saying that Halo 1 had it. I think that Bleeder was trying to say that Halo 2 doesn't...even if Halo 1 did.

Also, if they didn't make locational damage because it would be to hard to aim, then it is a problem with the X-box hardware and not the game's problem.

[Moto-x_Pat]

It's okay Bleeder. I still love you. :)

[Sparta]

Not to mention hypocritical, in this case at least.

But yeah I'm going to go with pathetic as the most fitting description as well.
Edit: nevermind

[destrukt]

I apologize for voicing my opinion

you didn't post an opinion, you were trying to state that halo2 doesn't have locational damage.

you can't have an opinion about this type of thing, it's like trying to have an opinion about the sun rising or not - we all know the answer.

[CrazyHarij]

Aww, don't be mean to Bleeder, guys :(

There are many pro's for this feature, if it's true. The hitpoints have been removed for more realism and all you have is the shield, once the shield is down you can only take one or two bullets at max before dying, this is mainly to increase speed and pace.. If they then had in locational damage it'd make the players stop to aim at the head, something that is much harder with an Xbox controller than with a mouse, so it'd slow the game down. And like Sidewinder said, the bullets hit the shields which have the same amount of protection everywhere on the body.

I'm not trying to protect Halo 2, don't think of me as a H2 fanboy (I am equally hyped for both HL2 and H2), I'm just saying that Bungie would have reasons for not having locational damage if they removed it.

Then again, it'd be weird if they didn't have locational damage on the enemy troopers without shields like Grunts and Jackals, they had that in Halo aswell.

[Bleeder]

Destrukt.....it was my opinon that that was a bad thing. No need for the sarcasm.

[Ryjalon5k]

HALO 2! Meaning shooting a guy in the foot will kill him as fast as shooting him in the head. and before anyone flames me about it, the sniper rifle "registers" a headshot if you hit them in the head, however hitting them in the head does not do more damage. I don't know about you guys, but I actually feel insulted by that, that is one of those things that has been done in FPS for awhile now, but they couldn't be bothered, so now the whole game is one big spray and pray fest. It just seems stupid....why regress the genre?


I must say that you are speaking complete and utter bullshit, the original halo had location damage, and so will halo2.

[Homercidal]

Fear not, Xbox boys! Now you can buy an adapter from Lik-Sang which will allow you to plug a KB/Mouse into your Xbox and permits faster turns, and more accurate aiming. You game can become fluid and more natural, bringing a realism in movement unparalleled by any other modern technology.

The days of the Xbox fan having to dream about playing their favorite games on the PC, just for the advanced control options are near an end.

[Foxtrot]

I don't understand the logic behind locational sheild damage, wouldn't the sheild take just as much damage no matter where you shoot it? I guess bleeder lives in a different world with different physics than we have.

[Soundwave]

Fear not, Xbox boys! Now you can buy an adapter from Lik-Sang which will allow you to plug a KB/Mouse into your Xbox and permits faster turns, and more accurate aiming. You game can become fluid and more natural, bringing a realism in movement unparalleled by any other modern technology.

The days of the Xbox fan having to dream about playing their favorite games on the PC, just for the advanced control options are near an end.

I got mine in over a week ago, and while it is definately more comfortable to use than a controller, it's not quite as effective as what you are suggesting. It still can't compare to mouse movement in PC games, but it gets the job done. About the only problems I have had so far is vehicle turning in Halo and the possibility that it might not be good enough in actual close combat multiplayer battles, which I have not gotten to test yet.

If you hate controllers for FPS though it's a good purchase for sure.

[shadow6899]

ya destrukt, stop bein an ass. infact to me it sounds like ur trolling, saying halo2 is better and is gunna sell more.

[Zeus]

Guess who is a HL2 fanboy?

[shadow6899]

almost everybody here?

[destrukt]

ya destrukt, stop bein an ass. infact to me it sounds like ur trolling, saying halo2 is better and is gunna sell more.

do you know what trolling is?

also, i was stating a fact. so far halo2 is set to sell more though in the future hl2 could overtake it.

please, please read my posts and sit there pondering for >2 hours.

[Burn]

In this day and age its abit crud not to have it, even on a console with some skill you can aim at the head. Why people are flaming Bleeder for posting this is beyond me.

[Cole]

If you use a mouse n keyboard for an xbox..then an Xbox is 95% like a pc. Ecspecially when
-You can play alot of Xbox\PS2\Gamecube\N64\Ps1\Gameboy\Nintedo 1, NES, etc..nearly any damn console system imaginable.. games on the PC(Emulators, fully legal as long as you own the game).
-Pc's can use..controllers...

Someday, consoles will keep advanced in features and they will just turn out to be a PC. If Consoles systems somehow take over the market and PC gaming dies down well...that will actually HURT console systems.

What do people who make console games design there levels and there graphics on? Im pretty sure not the console, I'd say..the PC. If no one makes new tech for the PC then the console game makers can't design new graphics techniques, then it will only hurt Consoles.


Locational Damage would make sense. Though I think I already know the main reason why they don't have it. I bet you they took alot of little things out because of FPS(Frames per Second) issues. I bet you that was why. That, they took out alot of minor stuff just to boost the FPS.

Which would simply go to show the Xbox's age.

[Foxtrot]

If you use a mouse n keyboard for an xbox..then an Xbox is 95% like a pc. Ecspecially when
-You can play alot of Xbox\PS2\Gamecube\N64\Ps1\Gameboy\Nintedo 1, NES, etc..nearly any damn console system imaginable.. games on the PC(Emulators, fully legal as long as you own the game).
-Pc's can use..controllers...

Someday, consoles will keep advanced in features and they will just turn out to be a PC. If Consoles systems somehow take over the market and PC gaming dies down well...that will actually HURT console systems.

What do people who make console games design there levels and there graphics on? Im pretty sure not the console, I'd say..the PC. If no one makes new tech for the PC then the console game makers can't design new graphics techniques, then it will only hurt Consoles.


Locational Damage would make sense. Though I think I already know the main reason why they don't have it. I bet you they took alot of little things out because of FPS(Frames per Second) issues. I bet you that was why. That, they took out alot of minor stuff just to boost the FPS.

Which would simply go to show the Xbox's age.

You think new technologies would cease to be made because PC gaming died? So wrong...where do I start? If they make all the games on PCs then that alone is a reason to upgrade PCs, to supply the developers of games with new technology(and movie makers and everyone else who uses computers).

[Murray_H]

Does anyone know any UK retailers that sell the Xbox keyboard thing?

[GhostValkyrie]

To Bleeder: Hey, guess which game wasn't even pushed back a year beyond it's original date? Halo 2. Original date: DEC 2003. New Release Date: Tonight at 1201 AM. Now I love both, and think they will both be great games to experience. I'm just pointing out something, like you decided to.

[Soundwave]

Does anyone know any UK retailers that sell the Xbox keyboard thing?

Afaik, it's only available at Lik-Sang.com

I ordered from there and had no problems, if you want it now I recommend that site fully.

[Cole]

I laugh at anyone who thinks a year is a long time to wait..
Wasn't Sc:Ghost oringal release date Nov. 2002?
Its been held back 3 times. It's now set for a 2005 date....
lol...
If they make all the games on PCs then that alone is a reason to upgrade PCs, to supply the developers of games with new technology(and movie makers and everyone else who uses computers).
I'm not talking about pc games... I'm talking about console games..

You think new technologies would cease to be made because PC gaming died?

I never said "cease" thats to harsh. I Never said Pc Gaming dies.
If no one makes new tech for the PC
Does that say
-No one makes new tech for the pc?
--Meaning, No one is making tech for the pc.

-If no one makes new tech for the PC
--Meaning, what it everyone just stopped making new tech for the pc...what if...

I never said It did, I just saying that if it did.



HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE MISINTERPERATE ME ALL THE TIME, AM I THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND!

[Bleeder]

Ghostvalkryie, guess which game didn't have it source code stolen? ;P besides, I've already stated in this thread that I think both of them are going to be good........or didn't you read my posts either?

[destrukt]

gabe openly stated the source code theft did not drastically alter the release date.

[Ownzed]

Wow...that's pathetic..Halo 2 isn't that great after all.