I have a cure for america regaurding missile attacks (or attacks in general)

[dream431ca]

The cure: STOP BUILDING UP YOUR MILITARY AND STOP THE STAR WARS PROGRAM!! The more the world wants to get into PEACE...america wants to provoke a war. Think about it. What will happen if the americans build the star wars program...the americans WANT other countries to shoot missiles at them...I mean who in hell shoots missiles at other countries in this age?? Americans are bringing up a challenge to other countries by strengthing their military and the star wars system. If they stop all that, it will bring a message to other countries that america is no longer EXPECTING an attack of any sorts.

America is constantly trying to have the strongest military...the unnecessary missile defense system and an arrogant attitude towards other countries. I think for the world to have a greater peace america has to stop trying to be the (world police) BECAUSES NOBODY WANTS YOU TO!!

There...I'm done. and I don't care if you :flame: :flame: flame :flame: :flame: me for that....just remember..you didn't have to read my post.

[bliink]

yeah face it... if china wants to pwn you, some prissy little missile shield aint gonna help you. esp when its only got a predicted 11% success ratio (or there abouts)

[dream431ca]

I'm just sick of america's "war solves everything!!" attitude. That's complete bullshit.

[gh0st]

I'm just sick of america's "war solves everything!!" attitude. That's complete bullshit.
you are so stupid. i mean.. jesus, i dont know where to begin. "war solves everything?" maybe its because you arent from america, or are listening to what mommy or jacque shove down your throat.. but i'm fairly certain youre clueless. iraq shouldent have happened. had we known now what we knew then, we wouldent be in iraq. our intelligence community made a mistake, but good has come (and WILL come) from it. afghanistan is wholly justified. id be happy to debate any other war we've been in recently with you.

[nofx]

What do you man america's war solves everything attitude. Dont you see the thousands of protesters protesting the war in this country o_O your really lame stereotyping gets you no where btw

[dart321]

OK then. You're opinion is now well noted. Congratulations.

[dream431ca]

Well...why is military growing and growing and won't stop..I think america has more things on it's mind other than iraq.

[MadHatter]

Blah, blah, yadda, yadda, blah, hadda, blah I eat buttons.

[bliink]

Blah, blah, yadda, yadda, blah, hadda, blah I eat buttons.

basically, yeah

[gh0st]

Well...why is military growing and growing and won't stop..I think america has more things on it's mind other than iraq.
heres a thought, maybe because national security is a top issue to americans. maybe because unlike your country we actually get attacked by terrorists. maybe we now need to finish the job in iraq and afghanistan.

[dream431ca]

you are so stupid. i mean.. jesus, i dont know where to begin. "war solves everything?" maybe its because you arent from america, or are listening to what mommy or jacque shove down your throat.. but i'm fairly certain youre clueless. iraq shouldent have happened. had we known now what we knew then, we wouldent be in iraq. our intelligence community made a mistake, but good has come (and WILL come) from it. afghanistan is wholly justified. id be happy to debate any other war we've been in recently with you.


Good will never come from bombing a city (or country) for NOTHING!!!! And what GOOD??? tell me one thing that is good about iraq (or any other war?). Again your telling me war solves everything.

[nofx]

The military is growing because people want to protect their freedom, and serve their country. The military is involved in more than you think, "War" the military has provided aide to my state of Florida when we had the hurricane season and we were unfortunate to be in such a position but we bounced back. Also the military are the people who protects us so anotheer 9/11 type thing doesnt happen

[dart321]

Well...why is military growing and growing and won't stop..I think america has more things on it's mind other than iraq.

And maybe because we're about to attack our annoying ass neighbors to the North? Actually, probably wouldn't take that much military force. :P (I'm just kidding)

[Tr0n]

I'm sorry cananda has no military... :P

[dream431ca]

heres a thought, maybe because national security is a top issue to americans. maybe because unlike your country we actually get attacked by terrorists. maybe we now need to finish the job in iraq and afghanistan.

Maybe your government should stay of other countries.. I realize that it's not your decision..it's your government. Realize I am talking about your government when I am refering to "americans" since it represents you.

[dream431ca]

And maybe because we're about to attack our annoying ass neighbors to the North? Actually, probably wouldn't take that much military force. :P (I'm just kidding)

We don't need no military BRING THE HOCKEY STICKS!! :sniper:

[gh0st]

Good will never come from bombing a city (or country) for NOTHING!!!! And what GOOD??? tell me one thing that is good about iraq (or any other war?). Again your telling me war solves everything.


And what GOOD??? tell me one thing that is good about iraq (or any other war?).
world war 2 - nazi germany defeated
afghanistan - al qaeda broken up, their supporters usurpsed
iraq - brutal and opressive dictator removed from power
war of 1812 - a tie :D

i never said war solves everything. it solves many problems, because there are people in this world that dont respond to anything other than force. bad always comes with war, but good comes from it. look at technological advances since ww2, look at beautiful american capitalism budding in the middle east.

Maybe your government should stay of other countries.. I realize that it's not your decision..it's your government. Realize I am talking about your government when I am refering to "americans" since it represents you.
our government cant stay out of other countries, i suggest you take some advanced history courses. our current position is not one we've asked for, its been layed upon us by european powers of the 18th and 19th centuries.

[dream431ca]

world war 2 - nazi germany defeated
afghanistan - al qaeda broken up, their supporters usurpsed
iraq - brutal and opressive dictator removed from power
war of 1812 - a tie :D

i never said war solves everything. it solves many problems, because there are people in this world that dont respond to anything other than force. bad always comes with war, but good comes from it. look at technological advances since ww2, look at beautiful american capitalism budding in the middle east.


Actually in 1812 we burnt your white house down. :smoking:

I understand that war brings us more technology and such, but that was 60 years ago..haven't we evolved just a little??

[bliink]

look at beautiful american capitalism budding in the middle east.

In a parallel universe, I'm sure you just said; look at beautiful american communism budding in the middle east.

[Tr0n]

Actually in 1812 we burnt your white house down. :smoking:

I understand that war brings us more technology and such, but that was 60 years ago..haven't we evolved just a little??Oh no the "evolved" debate...

[gh0st]

Actually in 1812 we burnt your white house down. :smoking:

I understand that war brings us more technology and such, but that was 60 years ago..haven't we evolved just a little??
yeah but we replaced it with a better one.. and it wasent really canadians it was more like british, unless you still consider yourself british.

technology is irrelevant, at this point its ideology.

edit: and actually the british burned it down in 1814.

[Tr0n]

In a parallel universe, I'm sure you just said; look at beautiful american communism budding in the middle east.or facist, or socialist, or blah blah...To many parallel universes to type.

[dart321]

Actually in 1812 we burnt your white house down. :smoking:



But you didn't win! Ha! We we're gonna remodel anyway.

[dream431ca]

Ghost....what european things have been inplemented in the 18 and 19 century?? just out of curiousity...we learn about america in Junior high in Canada..but we don't go into that much. I'm interested to hear about it.

[dream431ca]

But you didn't win! Ha! We we're gonna remodel anyway.

Hey..just a question..would you be shocked if Canada does it again..I would laugh soooo hard...and so would you I believe.

[MadHatter]

Ghost....what european things have been inplemented in the 18 and 19 century?? just out of curiousity...we learm about america in Junior high in Canada..but we don't go into that much. I'm interested to hear about it.

What do you mean by "things" and "implemented"?

[bliink]

or facist, or socialist, or blah blah...To many parallel universes to type.

yup. It doesnt matter what you believe, its all the same in the long run. all the same.

[MadHatter]

yup. It doesnt matter what you believe, its all the same in the long run. all the same.

Just like cats and dogs and men and women.

[Tr0n]

Venus and Mars.

[dream431ca]

What do you mean by "things" and "implemented"?


I heard that it's not america's choice to bother other countries.

[dart321]

lol. I had to bring this pic up, sorry:

[bliink]

Just like cats and dogs and men and women.

yeah. This argument is basically worthless, any country as powerful as the US would react in the same way, regardless of ideology. its human nature

[OCybrManO]

The military is growing because people want to protect their freedom, and serve their country. The military is involved in more than you think, "War" the military has provided aide to my state of Florida when we had the hurricane season and we were unfortunate to be in such a position but we bounced back. Also the military are the people who protects us so anotheer 9/11 type thing doesnt happenThe most important factor in stopping terrorist attacks is knowing about them ahead of time (that comes from intelligence agencies). Then, usually, once we know it is coming the local law enforcement, airport security, federal air marshals, etc are enough to stop the threat. There are very few, if any, cases in which the military needs to be called in. So, no, the military isn't usually deployed during terrorist attacks... except in retaliation. Also, the military wasn't really needed after the hurricanes. They were probably just called in because they were either already in the area or they had nothing else to do. There were plenty of people willing to help out.

[dream431ca]

lol. I had to bring this pic up, sorry:

You have no idea how true that is...never get boats from britian. (sorry britian :) )

[gh0st]

Ghost....what european things have been inplemented in the 18 and 19 century?? just out of curiousity...we learm about america in Junior high in Canada..but we don't go into that much. I'm interested to hear about it.

the monroe doctrine; an attempt to create a more insular republic and continent, safe from the precieved threat of european monarchy. isolationism, and noncolonization. various protective tariffs against europe in an attempt to stop trade. just a few. america was very insular to the europeans until world war 1.

[MadHatter]

I heard that it's not america's choice to bother other countries.

.......?

[Viperidae]

and it wasent really canadians it was more like british

Umm, sorry to interrupt, but who the hell do you think America is?

[Ames]

There is no really good way to solve the problems that plague our world today. If we try to do it one way, something or someone messes it all up. It's those damn assholes out there.....

:|

[dart321]

Umm, sorry to interrupt, but who the hell do you think America is?

Uh, a combination of just about every single race on the face of this Earth?

[Tr0n]

.......?Awwwww....now ain't that cute...BUT IT'S WRONG!!!!

(whoever knows what cartoon that phrase comes from gets a cookie :D)

[gh0st]

Umm, sorry to interrupt, but who the hell do you think America is?
he said the canadians burned down the whitehouse, which is wrong. the british (i.e. redcoats) did. they even jacked madisons dinner. and america isnt just english, its pennsylvania dutch, irish, east european, and basically anything. many settlers didnt consider themselves so much british, as they did "protestant, catholic, puritan, opressed, etc." after the declaration of independence was created we stopped being british.

edit: i forgot the most important of monroes doctrines.. nonintervention.

[Viperidae]

Uh, a combination of just about every single race on the face of this Earth?

At the time he was talking about, no. British colony ring any bells?

[bliink]

Awwwww....now ain't that cute...BUT IT'S WRONG!!!!

(whoever knows what cartoon that phrase comes from gets a cookie :D)

that guy in the "cow and chicken" type cartoons

[gh0st]

At the time he was talking about, no. British colony ring any bells?
HAHA. youve been watching too many garfield thanksgiving specials please see my above post to be informed.

[Viperidae]

HAHA. youve been watching too many garfield thanksgiving specials please see my above post to be informed.

Perhaps... :eek:

[Tr0n]

that guy in the "cow and chicken" type cartoonsYour close :D...Hint: has to do with 2 dogs.

[bliink]

Australia was a british colony..... (is).... :P

EDIT: 2 stupid dogs?

[dart321]

At the time he was talking about, no. British colony ring any bells?

You said what America is, not what America was. :P

[Tr0n]

Australia was a british colony..... (is).... :P

EDIT: 2 stupid dogs?Damn't...heres your cookie. :hmph:

[bliink]

Damn't...heres your cookie. :hmph:

Yesssss :D I knew watching cartoons instead of sleeping all those nights would pay off!

[Viperidae]

You said what America is, not what America was. :P

Mmm... I talk as if the past was the present... cuz it is!!! *Runs back into time machine*

[dream431ca]

he said the canadians burned down the whitehouse, which is wrong. the british (i.e. redcoats) did. they even jacked madisons dinner. and america isnt just english, its pennsylvania dutch, irish, east european, and basically anything. many settlers didnt consider themselves so much british, as they did "protestant, catholic, puritan, opressed, etc." after the declaration of independence was created we stopped being british.

edit: i forgot the most important of monroes doctrines.. nonintervention.

Canada is the same way...except for the decleration of independance. We don't consider ourselves british either...to tell you the truth..Canada is just a whole mix of people..like a mosaic (hope I spelled that right.) Americans consider themselves american. Most Canadians don't consider themselves "Canadian". It just sounds kind of silly to us.

[gh0st]

Canada is the same way...except for the decleration of independance. We don't consider ourselves british either...to tell you the truth..Canada is just a whole mix of people..like a mosaic (hope I spelled that right.) Americans consider themselves american. Most Canadians don't consider themselves "Canadian". It just sounds kind of silly to us.
good for you.

[Tr0n]

Canada is the same way...except for the decleration of independance. We don't consider ourselves british either...to tell you the truth..Canada is just a whole mix of people..like a mosaic (hope I spelled that right.) Americans consider themselves american. Most Canadians don't consider themselves "Canadian". It just sounds kind of silly to us.Well I guess it's because we are patriotic?

[dream431ca]

I also have heard that if an immigrant comes to america and wants to stay he has to forget his religon and other things like that. Just wanted to see if this is true.

[MadHatter]

Saying, "I'm American" is like saying we are neither, British, French, Indian, Chinese, Italian, African, or whatever. It's just saying I'm me and I'm human. It's just a generalizing label.

[gh0st]

I also have heard that if an immigrant comes to america and wants to stay he has to forget his religon and other things like that. Just wanted to see if this is true.
please kill yourself.

[Tr0n]

Wait where did you hear that one from?That is far far far from the truth...Damn you should study up on our constitution and history. :laugh: All religion and beliefs are allowed here....

[MadHatter]

I also have heard that if an immigrant comes to america and wants to stay he has to forget his religon and other things like that. Just wanted to see if this is true.

Whoever told you that must smoke more dope than the Pope.

[Viperidae]

Also considering that it's not America, it's the United States of America, America being the other giant piece of land on the planet.

[dream431ca]

IMO (and I'm not talking about america) Patrotism is good to a point. "Yes I like where I live" "Yes I like my country" is very good. But Patrotism where "Yes my country is better than your country" type stuff is not so good.

[MadHatter]

Whoever told you that must smoke more dope than the Pope.

Hey, I made a rhyme. Someone give me a sticker.

[gh0st]

IMO (and I'm not talking about america) Patrotism is good to a point. "Yes I like where I live" "Yes I like my country" is very good. But Patrotism where "Yes my country is better than your country" type stuff is not so good.
my country is better than your country though

[dream431ca]

please kill yourself.

Don't you guys still have the so called "melting pot"??

[Viperidae]

*Gives MadHatter a sticker*

Feel better?

[Tr0n]

Hey, I made a rhyme. Someone give me a sticker.Here is your "I'm a dumbass" sticker. :P

[MadHatter]

my country is better than your country though

You're on your own now, Ghost. I can see where this discussion is headed now.

[Tr0n]

Don't you guys still have the so called "melting pot"??It's a saying...not an actual pot....

[gh0st]

Don't you guys still have the so called "melting pot"??
of course, since when have we not? edit: yes listen to tr0n for he is wise

You're on your own now, Ghost. I can see where this discussion is headed now.
i do my best :) im just joshing anyway

[dream431ca]

It's a saying...not an actual pot....

oh it's like I never knew that (sarcastic)

[bliink]

my country is better than your country though

And most americans fail to see why world opinion is not in their favour....

EDIT: I know, you may have been kidding, but that attitude is very prevalent

[Tr0n]

oh it's like I never knew that (sarcastic)Well word your sentences better. :P

[Tr0n]

And most americans fail to see why world opinion is not in their favour....Denial leads to suicide... :p Don't deny our POWAS!

[dream431ca]

These topics have always have had some :flame: :flame: :flame: heat :flame: :flame: :flame: associated with them. I'm not surpised of the flaming going on. But when your talking about america and canada..well..that's alot a flame.

[MadHatter]

These topics have always have had some :flame: :flame: :flame: heat :flame: :flame: :flame: associated with them. I'm not surpised of the flaming going on. But when your talking about america and canada..well..that's alot a flame.

Which is kind of stupid because America and Canada are made up of the same people and originated from the same people / countries. Why so much anger?

[dream431ca]

Which is kind of stupid because America and Canada are made up of the same people and originated from the same people / countries. Why so much anger?

But VERY different ideologies.

[Tr0n]

Spread the love baby.... :E

[MadHatter]

But VERY different ideologies.

And weather and temperatures.

[bliink]

Spread the love baby.... :E

I love you guys! :P

[Viperidae]

And weather and temperatures.

And we're half French.

[Tr0n]

And we're half French.I feel bad for you... :p

[dream431ca]

I'm just glad I'm not a redneck..they get more abuse than the french :x

[Tr0n]

I'm just glad I'm not a redneck..they get more abuse than the french :xYea true...but most of that crap is a bunch of stereotypical bullshit.Theres nothing wrong with being a country boy. :P

[Viperidae]

I feel bad for you... :p

Ahh... ce n'est pas aussi pire qu'on pense.

[MadHatter]

And we're half French.

Not all of you.

[MadHatter]

Ahh... ce n'est pas aussi pire qu'on pense.

Ignorez-le. Les français sont bons et la France est un grand endroit.

[bliink]

Ignorez-le. Les français sont bons et la France est un grand endroit.

j'aussi!, j'aussi!
Je souhaite parler français avec vous, cependant, le google est quelque peu imprécis

[aeroripper]

Okay i'm gonna lunge into the fray... first of all:

he said the canadians burned down the whitehouse, which is wrong. the british (i.e. redcoats) did. they even jacked madisons dinner. and america isnt just english, its pennsylvania dutch, irish, east european, and basically anything. many settlers didnt consider themselves so much british, as they did "protestant, catholic, puritan, opressed, etc." after the declaration of independence was created we stopped being british.

edit: i forgot the most important of monroes doctrines.. nonintervention.

You seem to know your history, now tell me what happens when somebody like bush keeps getting more and more power (patriot act, patriot act II, victory act... etc)

Giving up our god given rights != more security, just more control
What is absolutely essential that people realize is something like the patriot act is GROSSELY undermining our bill of rights and without a bill of rights, we as citizens, might as well be dead in the eyes of our government (think expendable and easily confused cattle).

my country is better than your country though

Now you've stepped into the realm of nationalism, worked for hitler\stalin... why can't it work for us? So while cheney is screaming that a nuclear attack on our cities is "not a matter of if, but when" yet the adminstration keeps saying that we are safer then we were on 9/11 then i call that a flat out lie. We've seen the way bush and his adminstration runs things and so has the world. Get ready to start hearing the march of soldiers footsteps down the streets, and then we can show the world why our country is better than theirs...

[MadHatter]

j'aussi!, j'aussi!
Je souhaite parler français avec vous, cependant, le google est quelque peu imprécis

Google?

[bliink]

Google?

yes! www.google.com :)

[Tr0n]

Google is my friend.

[aeroripper]

I want to oogle at my noodle

[MadHatter]

yes! www.google.com :)

Oh, ah, I thought you meant google as in something other than the site.

[bliink]

Oh, ah, I thought you meant google as in something other than the site.

quelque chose plus... adulte eh? :p lol :E

[Viperidae]

Google = horrible translater. Babelfish is worse. Try translating 'Bah bah bah bah bah, I'm loving it!' to German, then back to English in Babelfish. It comes out as 'Bah bah bah bah bah, it likes!'

Yikes!

[MadHatter]

quelque chose plus... adulte eh? :p lol :E

Oui, je ne peux pas retenir mes pensées sales. :imu:

Me and my gutter mind. :smoking:

[bliink]

Oui, je ne peux pas retenir mes pensées sales. :imu:

Me and my gutter mind. :smoking:

cela amuse plutôt :p

[Homer]

Everyone hates the US military until they need its help.

Maybe if there was a single other nation on the planet capable of projecting any real power other than China(Who you DO NOT want to be the most powerful nation on earth)...

[Steve]

I'm just glad I'm not a redneck..they get more abuse than the french :x
yeah, dude..people HATE us...but we HATE the french even more than anybody, so we're happy!

[The Dark Elf]

yeah, dude..people HATE us...but we HATE the french even more than anybody, so we're happy!
The French aren't _that_ bad.. I still like Paris, nice place to visit for a weekend.

[Icarus]

The French aren't _that_ bad.. I still like Paris, nice place to visit for a weekend.

I'd actually like to vist Paris, kinda hard to do with the biases though

[ZeeM]

heres a thought, maybe because national security is a top issue to americans. maybe because unlike your country we actually get attacked by terrorists. maybe we now need to finish the job in iraq and afghanistan.

if your stupid goverment ever stops attacking every country on their way and being so arrogant you wouldn`t need that. and stop calling ppl stupid.

And when he says American he of course means goverment, not ppl...

[Icarus]

if your stupid goverment ever stops attacking every country on their way and being so arrogant you wouldn`t need that. and stop calling ppl stupid.

And when he says American he of course means goverment, not ppl...
If you want to get political, go on the politics board...keep it away from here

[burner69]

Please stop saying "America saved you asses in the second world war". You did it because the Japanese dragged you into it.

And Britain ain't much better (I'm from England by the way) we only got involved when Germany invaded some where where we got coal from (I can't remember the place but should be able to find out if you want to).

War is sick, we only get involved when we feel we have to, and it solves problems by killing people who have differing views.

And America's space program, although a good idea, does have it's down side as dream pointed out.
The nuclear arms race was started by America to drain the resources of other countries; America is a rich country - I won't go into why, we all know that it was founded on rather nasty grounds (Britain is the same, I'm not flaming, I'm stating fact) and it's hold on third world countries is sick, you do know how much money they make from third world countrues don't you? But anyway - nuclear arms race was started by America. They knew that everytime they bought a nuke, countries like Russia would buy one too to stay on top. Eventually these countries ran out of money leaving America the top nuclear power.

Stop shouting abuse at people making points against your government, they deserve it, as do others.

And the Afgan war was the biggest farce I have seen in my life. Many innocents died so America could find a head to have on a stick from 9/11. Now that country has been left to die after we (america, UK, and others) invaded and left it to pick up the pieces. When bush didn't catch OBL he tried to link Saddam with him, then tried to say he was a major world threat, and when all that was found to be BS you just said "he was a bad man". Go to war on one premise, come out the other side on another. Crock of crap. If that is your idea of war solving problems you are misguided.

And people who are saying "Ah we helped you in WW2, we shouldn't have, see how you'd do." Don't dare say that. Your country men died for a cause you probably weren't even alive during. Respect them, don't drag them into a ****ing debate about American politics.

Thank you

[burner69]

And mods, yes, could you please move this to the politics board? As it clearly is politics

cheerz

[Icarus]

Please stop saying "America saved you asses in the second world war". You did it because the Japanese dragged you into it.

And Britain ain't much better (I'm from England by the way) we only got involved when Germany invaded some where where we got coal from (I can't remember the place but should be able to find out if you want to).

War is sick, we only get involved when we feel we have to, and it solves problems by killing people who have differing views.

And America's space program, although a good idea, does have it's down side as dream pointed out.
The nuclear arms race was started by America to drain the resources of other countries; America is a rich country - I won't go into why, we all know that it was founded on rather nasty grounds (Britain is the same, I'm not flaming, I'm stating fact) and it's hold on third world countries is sick, you do know how much money they make from third world countrues don't you? But anyway - nuclear arms race was started by America. They knew that everytime they bought a nuke, countries like Russia would buy one too to stay on top. Eventually these countries ran out of money leaving America the top nuclear power.

Stop shouting abuse at people making points against your government, they deserve it, as do others.

And the Afgan war was the biggest farce I have seen in my life. Many innocents died so America could find a head to have on a stick from 9/11. Now that country has been left to die after we (america, UK, and others) invaded and left it to pick up the pieces. When bush didn't catch OBL he tried to link Saddam with him, then tried to say he was a major world threat, and when all that was found to be BS you just said "he was a bad man". Go to war on one premise, come out the other side on another. Crock of crap. If that is your idea of war solving problems you are misguided.

And people who are saying "Ah we helped you in WW2, we shouldn't have, see how you'd do." Don't dare say that. Your country men died for a cause you probably weren't even alive during. Respect them, don't drag them into a ****ing debate about American politics.

Thank you

Did you not see me telling you people to stop?

Take it to the politics board

[burner69]

And mods, yes, could you please move this to the politics board? As it clearly is politics

cheerz

No I must have missed that

[MadHatter]

Some people are just adamant to a level of stupidity.

[burner69]

I'm giving an opinion.
I'm more than aware that things aren't black and white, but how can you defend one stand point while giving the plus side to others?

If Bush started being like that no one would listen. "Well Iraq might have WMDs, we're really not sure. If they have, and have the ability and desire to use them on us, he MUST be removed (a point I would agree on). But then again, the information I have is not great, and is open to interpretation. Perhaps this will all be a big mistake."

I'm arguing a point I believe in, I leave it to the pro-bush people to fill in the gaps. That's what a debate is. That's what this is.

[gh0st]

You seem to know your history, now tell me what happens when somebody like bush keeps getting more and more power (patriot act, patriot act II, victory act... etc)

Giving up our god given rights != more security, just more control
What is absolutely essential that people realize is something like the patriot act is GROSSELY undermining our bill of rights and without a bill of rights, we as citizens, might as well be dead in the eyes of our government (think expendable and easily confused cattle).
bush isnt getting more powerful, the federal government is simply gaining the powers necessary to prosecute criminals (i dont think you know what the patriot act is, you just tie it with losing your rights - a very left notion) and defend the country. you can either view it as a conspiracy or see it for what it is. ive actually read the entire document. even though it was a bitch, its really not as bad as people make it out to be.



Now you've stepped into the realm of nationalism, worked for hitler\stalin... why can't it work for us? So while cheney is screaming that a nuclear attack on our cities is "not a matter of if, but when" yet the adminstration keeps saying that we are safer then we were on 9/11 then i call that a flat out lie. We've seen the way bush and his adminstration runs things and so has the world. Get ready to start hearing the march of soldiers footsteps down the streets, and then we can show the world why our country is better than theirs...
i said i was kidding. its the same thing about my signature... its all satire, calm down. cheneys statement is true, terrorists seek to undermine our defenses all the time, eventually we will miss - thats just war.


Please stop saying "America saved you asses in the second world war". You did it because the Japanese dragged you into it.

youre right. would you have done differently? this proves my point of isolationism, something europe has taken away from us.


And America's space program, although a good idea, does have it's down side as dream pointed out.
The nuclear arms race was started by America to drain the resources of other countries; America is a rich country - I won't go into why, we all know that it was founded on rather nasty grounds (Britain is the same, I'm not flaming, I'm stating fact) and it's hold on third world countries is sick, you do know how much money they make from third world countrues don't you? But anyway - nuclear arms race was started by America. They knew that everytime they bought a nuke, countries like Russia would buy one too to stay on top. Eventually these countries ran out of money leaving America the top nuclear power.

even if what you claim is true.. which it isnt, there are many more causes to the space program and nuclear arms race than just beating the soviets.. which you should also be glad of.

america founded on nasty grounds? enlighten me.


And the Afgan war was the biggest farce I have seen in my life. Many innocents died so America could find a head to have on a stick from 9/11. Now that country has been left to die after we (america, UK, and others) invaded and left it to pick up the pieces. When bush didn't catch OBL he tried to link Saddam with him, then tried to say he was a major world threat, and when all that was found to be BS you just said "he was a bad man". Go to war on one premise, come out the other side on another. Crock of crap. If that is your idea of war solving problems you are misguided.

many innocents died, but the afghani's have obviously accepted and embraced democracy (wrapped up their first democratic election). afghanistan left to die? we still have thousands of troops there, and are giving billions of dollars in aid. they have a government now. they havent been left to die, youre just pulling stuff out of your ass. the iraq war was the result of faulty - yet unignorable - evidence linking saddam with obl. war solved the problem of saddam.


And people who are saying "Ah we helped you in WW2, we shouldn't have, see how you'd do." Don't dare say that. Your country men died for a cause you probably weren't even alive during. Respect them, don't drag them into a ****ing debate about American politics.
i never said we shouldent have... in fact, im glad we did. people forget all too easily. i've met a lot of european folks alive during ww2, and none of them have nearly the hate of america that their offspring do. and yeah, a lot of my countrymen did die, several from my family. i dont disrespect them.

[burner69]

youre right. would you have done differently? this proves my point of isolationism, something europe has taken away from us.


america founded on nasty grounds? enlighten me.


many innocents died, but the afghani's have obviously accepted and embraced democracy (wrapped up their first democratic election). afghanistan left to die? we still have thousands of troops there, and are giving billions of dollars in aid. they have a government now. they havent been left to die, youre just pulling stuff out of your ass. the iraq war was the result of faulty - yet unignorable - evidence linking saddam with obl. war solved the problem of saddam.


i never said we shouldent have... in fact, im glad we did. people forget all too easily. i've met a lot of european folks alive during ww2, and none of them have nearly the hate of america that their offspring do. and yeah, a lot of my countrymen did die, several from my family. i dont disrespect them.

I don't know if I'd have done it differently, just that some people were talking like America rushed in and saved our asses because they felt they had to.

Brittish Colonists landing in America killed the natives to steal their land. Then used the survivors as slaves, whom they did not need to pay, so the country could rapidly expand. You wouldn't be the only country to do so, don't get me wrong, but I believe that makes my point.

Here is the state of Afgan http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/108363_afghaned.shtml

Faulty evidence for war should be thoroughly scrutinised before mobilising troops. Evidence that he MAY have had WMDs was not evidence that he planned to use them. He had no reason to.

You should be, and I'm sure are, very proud of your family. My relatives fought too.

Thank you for having a reasonable debate with me. Something some people on here seem incapable of.

[Death.Trap]

Oui, je ne peux pas retenir mes pensées sales. :imu:

Me and my gutter mind. :smoking:


Yes, I cannot retain my dirty thoughts.


o_O

How close was that?

[gh0st]

Brittish Colonists landing in America killed the natives to steal their land. Then used the survivors as slaves, whom they did not need to pay, so the country could rapidly expand. You wouldn't be the only country to do so, don't get me wrong, but I believe that makes my point.

indian slaves... that didnt happen. relations with the indians were tense from the beginning (the iroqouis, pontiacs rebellion and so on) but ive never heard of us enslaving them, since we didnt even begin enslaving blacks in large number until the late 1700's. the process of land going back and forth is the result of many treaties, and yes - of military might. technically they did attack us first, and set the tone for GB's whole colonization effort.


Here is the state of Afgan http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/108363_afghaned.shtml

the Bush administration has increased its attention to the needs there with plans for spending more on aid and reconstruction.

i never said it was perfect, but its getting there. these things do take time.


Faulty evidence for war should be thoroughly scrutinised before mobilising troops. Evidence that he MAY have had WMDs was not evidence that he planned to use them. He had no reason to.

i'm sure it was thoroughly scrutinized. i dont know, i wasent there, i can only assume that it was. the evidence was that he not only had them but was selling them etc etc whatever. of course he had reason to, the man is no friend of the united states


You should be, and I'm sure are, very proud of your family. My relatives fought too.

i'm not just proud of my family, i'm proud of any american (or soldier anywhere) who fights for his country. brave men profit a nation more than the cleverist of speakers ;) <--rtw


Thank you for having a reasonable debate with me. Something some people on here seem incapable of.
usually people are saying that about me. but.. the feelings mutual.

[burner69]

indian slaves... that didnt happen. relations with the indians were tense from the beginning (the iroqouis, pontiacs rebellion and so on) but ive never heard of us enslaving them, since we didnt even begin enslaving blacks in large number until the late 1700's. the process of land going back and forth is the result of many treaties, and yes - of military might. technically they did attack us first, and set the tone for GB's whole colonization effort.


the Bush administration has increased its attention to the needs there with plans for spending more on aid and reconstruction.

i never said it was perfect, but its getting there. these things do take time.


i'm sure it was thoroughly scrutinized. i dont know, i wasent there, i can only assume that it was. the evidence was that he not only had them but was selling them etc etc whatever. of course he had reason to, the man is no friend of the united states


i'm not just proud of my family, i'm proud of any american (or soldier anywhere) who fights for his country. brave men profit a nation more than the cleverist of speakers ;) <--rtw


usually people are saying that about me. but.. the feelings mutual.

I was under the impression that they enslaved the natives. If I'm wrong then fair enough, though it does not make it okay to kill them. Even if they did strike first, remember, it was on their soil. Brittish colonists were an invading force. And remember it was essentially Britains who did this - so I'm kinda arguing against my country here as well - so I'm not bias :)

I think the Afgan situation could have been handled a lot better, waiting a while before attacking Saddam (I'll come back to this point later) would have helped, as it would have left more resources open to helping the country we just invaded. I hope bush does take the idea of afgan seriously. I really do.

Saddam not being a friend of the US (despite being put there by america) is no reason to declare war with him. I'm making the point that evidence that was clearly not great resulting in a war means there can be doubt cast over exactly HOW scrutinised it was. I'm sceptical because America really needed something to show after 9/11 - Saddam fits that too easily (especially when Bush was telling his people that Saddam was helping OBL etc)

Anyone who is willing to risk their lives for what they believe in deserves the highest possible respect from everybody.
Though clever speakers have got us very far.
Martin Luther
Ghandi

[gh0st]

I was under the impression that they enslaved the natives. If I'm wrong then fair enough, though it does not make it okay to kill them. Even if they did strike first, remember, it was on their soil. Brittish colonists were an invading force. And remember it was essentially Britains who did this - so I'm kinda arguing against my country here as well - so I'm not bias :)

then they were conquered.. imperialism prevails.


I think the Afgan situation could have been handled a lot better, waiting a while before attacking Saddam (I'll come back to this point later) would have helped, as it would have left more resources open to helping the country we just invaded. I hope bush does take the idea of afgan seriously. I really do.

i agree, things didnt go perfectly. waiting before attacking saddam would miss the chance to possibly get obl, which bush wouldent want to miss. the taliban harbored these people and were warned fairly before we attacked them. bush does take the idea of afghanistan seriously, thats why t hey now elect their own presidents.


Saddam not being a friend of the US (despite being put there by america) is no reason to declare war with him. I'm making the point that evidence that was clearly not great resulting in a war means there can be doubt cast over exactly HOW scrutinised it was. I'm sceptical because America really needed something to show after 9/11 - Saddam fits that too easily (especially when Bush was telling his people that Saddam was helping OBL etc)

this is your opinion and iw ont change it. id isagree with it though.

Anyone who is willing to risk their lives for what they believe in deserves the highest possible respect from everybody.
Though clever speakers have got us very far.
Martin Luther
Ghandi
youre right, but men like julius ceaser and macarthur also got us very far.

[MadHatter]

Yes, I cannot retain my dirty thoughts.


o_O

How close was that?

Precise. :D

[burner69]

then they were conquered.. imperialism prevails.


A comment I strongly disagree on. Suggesting just because you're stronger you have the 'right' to kill people is verging on evil.

i agree, things didnt go perfectly. waiting before attacking saddam would miss the chance to possibly get obl, which bush wouldent want to miss. the taliban harbored these people and were warned fairly before we attacked them. bush does take the idea of afghanistan seriously, thats why t hey now elect their own presidents.


this is your opinion and iw ont change it. id isagree with it though.


youre right, but men like julius ceaser and macarthur also got us very far.

I don't see how leaving Saddam would miss the chance to get OBL. The opposite infact, as it was believed he was in Afgan.

It seems Bush has a nack of doing a half-arsed job at things; Afgan a prime example. Elections there are good, but running water would be pretty cool too. He should not be allowed to do such things if he has such a half-arsed way of going about it.

Looks like we need good fighters and good speakers!

[MadHatter]

A comment I strongly disagree on. Suggesting just because you're stronger you have the 'right' to kill people is verging on evil.

I wouldn't exactly say they had the right to kill them either. But, the Brits had every right to conquer them and get away with it. In this world, the strong rule over the weak. The natives just happened to be the weak. It's common law of nature. You can complain about it all you want, but nature doesn't give a crap. Survival of the fittest.

[burner69]

I wouldn't exactly say they had the right to kill them either. But, the Brits had every right to conquer them and get away with it. In this world, the strong rule over the weak. The natives just happened to be the weak. It's common law of nature. You can complain about it all you want, but nature doesn't give a crap. Survival of the fittest.

Unfortunately, you're right.

But I wonder, did nature count on us evolving the Neo-Cortex?

[MadHatter]

Unfortunately, you're right.

But I wonder, did nature count on us evolving the Neo-Cortex?

I'll admit I don't know what the neo-cortex does, but I know it has to do with the cerebral cortex. Explain? I like learning new things. :D

As for nature counting on us to develop certain things. Well, I wonder if nature counted on humans to develop racism lol.

[burner69]

I'll admit I don't know what the neo-cortex does, but I know it has to do with the cerebral cortex. Explain? I like learning new things. :D

As for nature counting on us to develop certain things. Well, I wonder if nature counted on humans to develop racism lol.
The neo cortex, I believe, is the part of the brain, near the back, that essentially makes us different from apes. It made us human.

I think nature has a lot of explaining to do, dont u? :)

[<RJMC>]

Awwwww....now ain't that cute...BUT IT'S WRONG!!!!

(whoever knows what cartoon that phrase comes from gets a cookie :D)


the cartoon is 2 stupid dogs or something like that right?

[neptuneuk]

I also have heard that if an immigrant comes to america and wants to stay he has to forget his religon and other things like that. Just wanted to see if this is true.

you're looking for communist russia then, 1957

[neptuneuk]

Google = horrible translater. Babelfish is worse. Try translating 'Bah bah bah bah bah, I'm loving it!' to German, then back to English in Babelfish. It comes out as 'Bah bah bah bah bah, it likes!'

Yikes!

bah bah bah bah bah!, ich leibe es!