The big misc Politics thread

[The Dark Elf]

Wanna bitch about politics? USE THIS THREAD

[Lil' Timmy]

you closed my 'political thread' thread ;(
it was overflowing with wit and whimsy ;(

oh and bush sux. :)

[CrazyHarij]

Wow, you've gone quite harsh on the political threads, jeesh..

I thinks it's abit sad that Bush won, guess he managed to win the hearts of too many patriotic anti-gay middle-eastern hating rednecks..

[Farrowlesparrow]

Wow, you've gone quite harsh on the political threads, jeesh..

I thinks it's abit sad that Bush won, guess he managed to win the hearts of too many patriotic anti-gay middle-eastern hating rednecks..

Yeah...does it cause you to lose sleep at night I wonder.

[The Dark Elf]

Wow, you've gone quite harsh on the political threads, jeesh..

I thinks it's abit sad that Bush won, guess he managed to win the hearts of too many patriotic anti-gay middle-eastern hating rednecks..
We let them go on and on and on, but enough is quite enough.

I did make this sticky thread, so not entirely harsh.. Just trying to keep the place clean, far too many threads all about the same thing. This way people can still post about that stuff without annoying the other users, and a LOT of users are complaining now. It's been going on for weeks, so enough is enough.

[Burn]

No Dark elf is right, political threads are fine unless you all act like dumb shits, and lets face, most of you where.

Anyways, Im from the UK so I did'nt care either way.

edit: DE posts faster then I do.

[Zeus]

Well I'm glad I have vision problems (severe vision problems), so I can't get drafted when bush brings back the draft when he invades Iran.

[CrazyHarij]

Yeah...does it cause you to lose sleep at night I wonder.

Not at all, however maybe you should consider that in times like these it's popular to pay more attention to and express your views on politics, it doesn't stop just because the election is finished.

Are you going to close down the HL2 Discussion forum once Half-Life 2 is released?

[Prince of China]

I usually stay away from Political threads, but I'll see and post here. I'm hoping to learn a thing or two.

[Farrowlesparrow]

Not at all, however maybe you should consider that in times like these it's popular to pay more attention to and express your views on politics, it doesn't stop just because the election is finished.

Are you going to close down the HL2 Discussion forum once Half-Life 2 is released?


I assume you are refering to my sticky...I was simply refering to the fact that people are still debating like it will change the past.

It will not. -and I did not say that people should stop debating, but that they should simply take into consideration the place and the time. I was asking, and perhaps telling them to calm down.

You are acting on the border of childish with that Hl2 comment, and my simple answer is no :|


Oh, and you do't lose sleep over an issue you portray as being so important? Well I believe mr.Reak said it best...its obvious you don't care, and in fact most of the world doesn't care. We only pretend to for whatever selfish reasons we have. Cynical? Perhaps...but there is some truth.

[Lil' Timmy]

No Dark elf is right, political threads are fine unless you all act like dumb shits, and lets face, most of you where.

Anyways, Im from the UK so I did'nt care either way.you do realize we're bombing you next right? it's the dragons.. we need critish dragons of lore for our war on terrorism!

[mortiz]

I just think it's funny.

[The Dark Elf]

Not at all, however maybe you should consider that in times like these it's popular to pay more attention to and express your views on politics, it doesn't stop just because the election is finished.

Are you going to close down the HL2 Discussion forum once Half-Life 2 is released?
Hopefully people can keep it civil within this thread

Remember, this isn't a politics forum.. which makes your example a mute point.

It got out of hand.. been like that for weeks, tons of threads, all the same subject, cluttering the offtopic section. Until people calm down or you get your own politics section.. it remains like this.

[Ennui]

MY APOLOGIES TO THE WORLD
America was unable to get its fscking act together and now we're all screwed.

[neptuneuk]

haha this is so cool... i can say what i like and bitch all i want and u cant do anything

bush and kerry suck!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ComradeBadger]

We'll still ban/destroy/xline troublemakers even if they do it in here :)

[qckbeam]

What is it with you guys? There was a huge election in the United States that will affect the course of the world and has left a huge number of people very, very angry and you say we're bitching/moaning/complaining and dwelling on the past, close all threads relating to politics, and give us one thread to speak in? What the **** were you expecting in the off-topic forum exactly? Why aren't we allowed to make topics on what we wish to talk about? Why the bullshit quite frankly? Your reasons aren't making much sense.

[hasan]

I hate bush.
yay.
but I don't care because I hate kerry too.

anyway, imo: the first step to get rid of bush should've been to get rid of fox news.

[Farrowlesparrow]

What is it with you guys? There was a huge election in the United States that will affect the course of the world and has left a huge number of people very, very angry and you say we're bitching/moaning/complaining and dwelling on the past, close all threads relating to politics, and give us one thread to speak in? What the **** were you expecting in the off-topic forum exactly? Why aren't we allowed to make topics on what we wish to talk about? Why the bullshit quite frankly? Your reasons aren't making much sense.


You know, my initial answer to this was the typically arrogant one of


"So?"

However I am going to say that my sticky explains itself really, and if you do have a problem with that, then its not really my problem. There isn't a lot more for me to add(To what I said previously in other threads and the sticky) really

[qckbeam]

So the sticky is your answer? Well your sticky is quite frankly a load of bullshit. Telling everyone to listen up or shut up is just stupid. Saying that the anger over the election that ended only hours ago is whining, bitching, moaning and complaining is stupid. Telling us we can only talk about it in this thread is stupid. I don't care if it's a gaming forum, this is off-topic chat. This is all a load of bullshit and some of us do have a problem with it and you can bet it'll be your problem as well.

[CrazyHarij]

I assume you are refering to my sticky...I was simply refering to the fact that people are still debating like it will change the past.

It will not. -and I did not say that people should stop debating, but that they should simply take into consideration the place and the time. I was asking, and perhaps telling them to calm down.

It did look alot more like telling people to shut the f*ck up since "nobody" cares about politics, regarding your whole intent on the topic.

You are acting on the border of childish with that Hl2 comment, and my simple answer is no :|

Well then, good that I'm surrounded by so mature people then.
I was implying that suddenly forbidding politic discussion to the point of this, banning people for posting a politic thread, is perhaps just a little to the extreme? But then again, it doesn't seem to be that obvious to you in comparison of the HL2 comment.

Oh, and you do't lose sleep over an issue you portray as being so important? Well I believe mr.Reak said it best...its obvious you don't care, and in fact most of the world doesn't care. We only pretend to for whatever selfish reasons we have. Cynical? Perhaps...but there is some truth.

Well, I may not be 100% interested into politics but at least I am respecting the fact that there's people who are, to an extent, we have alot of great debaters on here and they deserve to have an environment where they can at least exchange ideas on this subject, right?

Hopefully people can keep it civil within this thread

Remember, this isn't a politics forum.. which makes your example a mute point.

It got out of hand.. been like that for weeks, tons of threads, all the same subject, cluttering the offtopic section. Until people calm down or you get your own politics section.. it remains like this.

Last time I checked, this section is an off-topic forum. I hope you realise that this whole forum is so big by now that discussion on major world subjects is inevitable, and instead of prohibiting it the way you do now, you should let it stay within reasonable limits. This is just comparable to the way North Korea forbid people to freely discuss foreign matters.

Anyhow, just my two cents.. Encourage people to speak in a civilised matter rather than prohibiting them from speaking in a matter at all. :)

[Sprafa]

http://www.eyeranian.net/cover.jpg

[seinfeldrules]

Sprafa not even your pictures can get him defeated now! :D .

[The Dark Elf]

Last time I checked, this section is an off-topic forum. I hope you realise that this whole forum is so big by now that discussion on major world subjects is inevitable, and instead of prohibiting it the way you do now, you should let it stay within reasonable limits. This is just comparable to the way North Korea forbid people to freely discuss foreign matters.

Anyhow, just my two cents.. Encourage people to speak in a civilised matter rather than prohibiting them from speaking in a matter at all. :)

I atleast gave you a thread for it, nobody told me to, was my choice.. Either just keep deleting them as they crop up or give you a place to talk about it until we get a politics forum sorted

Just a shame some people are getting pretty vocal/nasty about it (not you Crazy) and making the rest of you who want to talk about politics look silly :(

[Lil' Timmy]

I atleast gave you a thread for it, nobody told me to, was my choice.. oooh.. what are you some kind of big "super mod.. oh wait.. nvm. :|

[seinfeldrules]

I atleast gave you a thread for it, nobody told me to, was my choice.. Either just keep deleting them as they crop up or give you a place to talk about it until we get a politics forum sorted

Just a shame some people are getting pretty vocal/nasty about it (not you Crazy) and making the rest of you who want to talk about politics look silly

I agree. I wish this sort of thing could be discussed without some of the stuff found on the first page. ;(

[CrazyHarij]

I atleast gave you a thread for it, nobody told me to, was my choice.. Either just keep deleting them as they crop up or give you a place to talk about it until we get a politics forum sorted

Just a shame some people are getting pretty vocal/nasty about it (not you Crazy) and making the rest of you who want to talk about politics look silly :(

Yes, I guess you have a point.. The amount of spam and flaming some people have performed within such a short timespan is awful. :|

I don't want to be rude or tell you how to run your own site,
all I'm asking for is that you could consider letting people speak about it freely once things have cooled down in a while. :E

Everyone has their own interests, what you don't give a rats ass about might be a big part of someone elses interests.. Though I doubt this is something I have to say. :P

[The Dark Elf]

Yes, I guess you have a point.. The amount of spam and flaming some people have performed within such a short timespan is awful. :|

I don't want to be rude or tell you how to run your own site,
all I'm asking for is that you could consider letting people speak about it freely once things have cooled down in a while. :E

Everyone has their own interests, what you don't give a rats ass about might be a big part of someone elses interests.. Though I doubt this is something I have to say. :P
Once the political forum is sorted all the threads will be undeleted and moved into there and unlocked, you can then talk about it as much as you want in as many threads as you want.

For now this will have to do.

[Prone]

how pathetic.

I've declared my opinion.

[Lil' Timmy]

oh there's going to be a poli forum? i was kinda hoping they'd all just be deleted from now on :(

oh and on-topic..
american people > common sense

[neptuneuk]

So the sticky is your answer? Well your sticky is quite frankly a load of bullshit. Telling everyone to listen up or shut up is just stupid. Saying that the anger over the election that ended only hours ago is whining, bitching, moaning and complaining is stupid. Telling us we can only talk about it in this thread is stupid. I don't care if it's a gaming forum, this is off-topic chat. This is all a load of bullshit and some of us do have a problem with it and you can bet it'll be your problem as well.

d0Nt d1S Teh Stickeh!!

[seinfeldrules]

The amount of spam and flaming some people have performed within such a short timespan is awful

CrazyHarij, some people? You mean yourself right.

Wow, you've gone quite harsh on the political threads, jeesh..

I thinks it's abit sad that Bush won, guess he managed to win the hearts of too many patriotic anti-gay middle-eastern hating rednecks..

Glad to see you have an open mind. Why not just congratulate the winner and move on. We wont get anywhere by just sitting back and hurling insults at each other.

[Absinthe]

I am ashamed of my country right now. It may be an irrational shame, but it exists nonetheless. I'm ashamed that issues such as gay marriage and stem cell research were considered more important than the well-being of our economy and a disastrous war that has claimed thousands of lives. I'm ashamed that everybody cried for impeachment when Clinton lied about getting head, but nobody did squat when Bush lied about Iraq. I'm ashamed that my fellow Americans are willing to put themselves through four more years of bullshit color-coded alerts, the orchestrated fear of a terrorist attack, and a false sense of safety. I'm ashamed that so many people bought into the lies that the conservative media threw at them.

And right now, I want that dastardly little pretzel to attempt an assassination on Bush a second time. But I know that if Bush were to die, he'd only be replaced by an even more evil bastard: Dick Cheney.

[palindrome]

Ya, who needs moral values anyways?

[qckbeam]

d0Nt d1S Teh Stickeh!!

Well I just don't understand how "The Weather Thread" and other assorted meaningless topics (no offense to their creators at all) are allowed but now, after a very large world event has taken place, we are stuck to one thread and on thread alone and told that we can bitch and moan in here. It's degrading, it's stupid, and as I've said many times already, it's a load of bullshit. I'll be vocal, and I'll be nasty about it, because it's just so ridiculous. Can't talk about movies in OT, can't talk about games in OT, can't talk about telelvision or music in OT, can't talk about politics in OT. What is the point of having a ****ing OFF TOPIC section?

[Maxi]

Kick munro and starmonkey, this thread is pathetic! I do however understand why it is here. But it's still pathetic!


EDIT:
Well I just don't understand how "The Weather Thread" and other assorted meaningless topics (no offense to their creators at all) are allowed but now, after a very large world event has taken place, we are stuck to one thread and on thread alone and told that we can bitch and moan in here. It's degrading, it's stupid, and as I've said many times already, it's a load of bullshit. I'll be vocal, and I'll be nasty about it, because it's just so ridiculous. Can't talk about movies in OT, can't talk about games in OT, can't talk about telelvision or music in OT, can't talk about politics in OT. What is the point of having a ****ing OFF TOPIC section?
To discuss matters that aren't related to HL2 except this and that and that and this and oo maybe that too!

[seinfeldrules]

I'm ashamed that so many people bought into the lies that the conservative media threw at them.

Odd considering the mainline media is considered mostly liberal. Refer to CBS's document story if you will. Or how they wanted to break the Iraq munition problem the day before the election.

And right now, I want that dastardly little pretzel to attempt an assassination on Bush a second time. But I know that if Bush were to die, he'd only be replaced by an even more evil bastard: Dick Cheney.

That is just disgusting. You should be ashamed to call yourself an American at all if this is how you truly feel. Why not just make it offical and move somewhere else.

[Absinthe]

Glad to see you have an open mind. Why not just congratulate the winner and move on. We wont get anywhere by just sitting back and hurling insults at each other.

Because the winner is a colossal moron that cheated his way into office, started a war that has killed thousands, has trampled on civil rights, and seems intent on undoing the separation of the Church and State.

I cannot congratulate such a man. This isn't a ****ing board game.

[CrazyHarij]

CrazyHarij, some people? You mean yourself right.
I let you decide.

Glad to see you have an open mind. Why not just congratulate the winner and move on. We wont get anywhere by just sitting back and hurling insults at each other.

Why do you look upon that as an insult? From those americans I've spoke with, that seems to be exactly the case. There were a lot of people who should've done more research and try to be abit more open minded and they may have voted for a more qualified candidate, that's all I'm saying.

[seinfeldrules]

Because the winner is a colossal moron that cheated his way into office, started a war that has killed thousands, has trampled on civil rights, and seems intent on undoing the separation of the Church and State.

A colossal moron that scored higher on his SATs then 90% of Americans and attended Yale. You can whine all you want, but no progress will come out of it. You are only hampering the progress of this country.

[Absinthe]

Odd considering the mainline media is considered mostly liberal. Refer to CBS's document story if you will. Or how they wanted to break the Iraq munition problem the day before the election.

And yet Fox news gets more viewers than every other network. And in a poll done before the election, it was found that high percentages of Americans thought we found WMD's in Iraq, we found ties to Al Qaeda, and the international community supports us.

That is just disgusting. You should be ashamed to call yourself an American at all if this is how you truly feel. Why not just make it offical and move somewhere else.

If you can't take morbid humor, then that's your problem.

[palindrome]

:P :dork:

[seinfeldrules]

Why do you look upon that as an insult? From those americans I've spoke with, that seems to be exactly the case. There were a lot of people who should've done more research and try to be abit more open minded and they may have voted for a more qualified candidate, that's all I'm saying.

What Americans? On this board. That isnt real America. They did do the research and voted for who they wanted. Just because they didnt vote for who you wanted doesnt mean it wasnt educated for them. Get over yourselves, your opinion isnt perfect.

[Lil' Timmy]

damn, this thread went from kinda funny to complete shit real quick :(
oh well, i guess it's better that it's confined in here at least :)

[seinfeldrules]

And yet Fox news gets more viewers than every other network.
Probably because they are sick of the liberal slant.

If you can't take morbid humor, then that's your problem.
I dont see how you can find humor in killing someone your fellow countrymen voted into office. Im sure it would be real amusing to you if it really did happen.

[CrazyHarij]

What Americans? On this board. That isnt real America. They did do the research and voted for who they wanted. Just because they didnt vote for who you wanted doesnt mean it wasnt educated for them. Get over yourselves, your opinion isnt perfect.

Well, americans all over IRC and americans reporting on the news.

My opinion isn't perfect, but the last time I checked it's mine.

[seinfeldrules]

Well, americans all over IRC and americans reporting on the news.

My opinion isn't perfect, but the last time I checked it's mine.

Then apparently you arent talking to the majority of Americans that did vote for Bush. Those same Americans you shamed for not 'researching' the canidates and basically called them stupid for voting Bush. Your opinion as you mentioned is yours, it doesnt mean you need to insult others, or shame them, for holding an opposite opinion.

There were a lot of people who should've done more research and try to be abit more open minded and they may have voted for a more qualified candidate, that's all I'm saying.

[Absinthe]

A colossal moron that scored higher on his SATs then 90% of Americans and attended Yale. You can whine all you want, but no progress will come out of it. You are only hampering the progress of this country.

SATs. Yeah, I think those were before his days as a coke fiend party boy. And how exactly did he pass Yale? Oh yeah, he passed with Gentleman C's. Yeah, that's some real academic achievement, buddy. Bush was born rich. He didn't get anywhere because of his intelligence.

And if you want to accuse me of hampering the progress of this country, then go ahead. Election results were only a few hours ago, so I fail to see how I'm being at all detrimental. Or should I just 'lighten up" and "live with it" and adjust to this situation after a matter of seconds?

[Hot Soup]

As there seems to be quite the furore right now here's my position.

I'm authorising Farrow and TDE to continue as is until we get something in place. I have asked Munro for a politics sub forum to shunt everything into for the time. But I AM NOT having the numerous threads that simply end up flame, hate filled spam taking over this section. Yeah there are guys here who are the perfect gentlemen and I would trust 100% to conduct themselves in a proper manner. However there are others who act like twerps.

If this offends you at all then I'm sorry but in my opinion the antagonism that results in the bulk of the politics threads is more than enough justification for the moment. Obviously this is a highly charged political climate which is why I've asked Munro for a politics sub forum till things are back to normal such as they can ever be.

As for the comment about films and games and music. They've shown themselves consistently to be busy enough to warrant their own boards. Everything as always will be subject to review.

[Absinthe]

Probably because they are sick of the liberal slant.

Or because it's just easier and more comforting to imagine that everything is smooth-saling in the US of A.


I dont see how you can find humor in killing someone your fellow countrymen voted into office. Im sure it would be real amusing to you if it really did happen.

If you don't get morbid humor, then I won't bother trying to bring you around to it.

And if it did happen... Meh, I'll save that reaction for when the time comes.

[CrazyHarij]

Then apparently you arent talking to the majority of Americans that did vote for Bush. Those same Americans you shamed for not 'researching' the canidates and basically called them stupid for voting Bush. Your opinion as you mentioned is yours, it doesnt mean you need to insult others, or shame them, for holding an opposite opinion.

You don't call an unborn child stupid for not knowing about the outside world. Even the most intelligent men on earth can be extremely narrowminded, it's human nature. I never said every american who voted for bush did a bad move, I'm talking about the minority who I'm being told about on IRC and by the people who speak in the news.

[seinfeldrules]

SATs. Yeah, I think those were before his days as a coke fiend party boy. And how exactly did he pass Yale? Oh yeah, he passed with Gentleman C's. Yeah, that's some real academic achievement, buddy. Bush was born rich. He didn't get anywhere because of his intelligence.
C's in Yale arent exactly something to scoff at. Actually, a diploma from Yale period isnt something to scoff at.

Or should I just 'lighten up" and "live with it" and adjust to this situation after a matter of seconds?

You could lighten up some. At least respect Bush for winning. I mean a death threat, joking or not, the day he won doesnt show much hope.

[Steelwind]

I pesonally feel that reguardless of who won or lost, our country desperately needs to rally around its leaders and work together to improve our country. Sitting around being ashamed of your country and telling more than half of the citizens (voters) that they are "redneck morons" isn't going to do this country any good. The man won the election fair and square. It wouldn't hurt to respect the majority's decision and work to improve current issues, instead of insulting half the country for what you consider apparent ingnorance.

[kernkraft]

I'm not gonna go into the politics of thread-deleting here. I'm just gonna give my two cents about the election.

The problem with this election is that it proves the USA is behind the rest of the free world in terms of ideology. Mind you it's only 51% of your population that still thinks technologically-advanced weaponry makes the Ununited States the "best country in the world".

For the americans who voted for Kerry, I feel sorry for you too.
For the americans who voted for Bush, what the **** is wrong with you?

'nough said

[seinfeldrules]

Or because it's just easier and more comforting to imagine that everything is smooth-saling in the US of A.

Yeah, because lying about documents and puropesly holding off stories for an agenda is really showing the true colors of the USA.

And if it did happen... Meh, I'll save that reaction for when the time comes.
I wont hold my breath over your reaction. It is quite clear how it would go.

I never said every american who voted for bush did a bad move, I'm talking about the minority who I'm being told about on IRC and by the people who speak in the news.
Well those people in the IRC and the news hold an agenda as well. It is likely they wouldnt be saying the same thing if Kerry had been the victor today. Look at it from that angle.

[Maxi]

I can't belive that people would be stupid enough that they would vote for a president that did an "pre emtive strike" that is invaded another country because the president said that they are a threat to the US and to the world, when in reality, they coulndn't even invade kuwait their army sucked so much.

[CrazyHarij]

Well those people in the IRC and the news hold an agenda as well. It is likely they wouldnt be saying the same thing if Kerry had been the victor today. Look at it from that angle.

Indeed. It's hard to know what really is going over there in this faraway small cold country. :o

[seinfeldrules]

I pesonally feel that reguardless of who won or lost, our country desperately needs to rally around its leaders and work together to improve our country. Sitting around being ashamed of your country and telling more than half of the citizens (voters) that they are "redneck morons" isn't going to do this country any good. The man won the election fair and square. It wouldn't hurt to respect the majority's decision and work to improve current issues, instead of insulting half the country for what you consider apparent ingnorance.


Exactly. This is precisely what the rising star of the Democratic party, Barack Obama, said in Illinois. He said that people on both sides need to work together without the partisan hackery to accomplish something. I respect that kind of message, I hope he backs it up.

[Absinthe]

C's in Yale arent exactly something to scoff at. Actually, a diploma from Yale period isnt something to scoff at.

Do you know what Gentleman C's are? It has nothing to do with academics. It essentially means that you were a ****-up, but your bloodline bailed you out.

You could lighten up some. At least respect Bush for winning. I mean a death threat, joking or not, the day he won doesnt show much hope.

As I said before, I can't respect the man. I detest him.

Yeah, because lying about documents and puropesly holding off stories for an agenda is really showing the true colors of the USA.

What's your point here? I sincerely doubt that Bush is the essence of the American Spirit, and so wouldn't consider him above lying and falsifying.

I wont hold my breath over your reaction. It is quite clear how it would go.

Okay, you can go ahead and make that assumption. Whatever it might be.

[seinfeldrules]

What's your point here?

You said they should watch networks like CBS instead of FOX. Well, with those kinds of tatics you can see why people are moving away from CBS.

I sincerely doubt that Bush is the essence of the American Spirit, and so wouldn't consider him above lying and falsifying.
No politican is.


As I said before, I can't respect the man. I detest him.

Again, we must work together to accomplish anything.

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I just want to say to people; read CrazyHarij's sig and then read seinfeldrules.


As far as I can tell that sums up my feelings on peoples differeing opinions quite well. :(




When will you people learn that going after these people using force is making the problem worse. You need to improve you're reputation arround the world. Not start more fights.



You need to understand that it is absolutely imposible to win the war you are wageing against terrorism. Because every "terrorist" or "insurgent" you kill will have a family and they will become angry and vengefull and they will strike back in future generations. Just as they are today.

Its imposible to wage war against a enemy who will never back down unless you intend to commit genocide. And don't you dare suggest it.




You can't win the way you think you can. :(

[qckbeam]

I don't want to hear anymore of this "We have to rally around our president; what we need is acceptance" bull. I heard the same thing four years ago when Gore lost the election, about how we needed to come together and stand behind our President. I believed it then, and I followed it then despite the intense controversy. I won't be making that mistake again. Look where that got us, look where we are today. I can't respect Bush, I can't respect his administration, and I have lost all respect and sympathy for the people of this country that would not only put him back in office, but give him a Republican Congress as well. This is not the time to sit back and mourn our loss.

[Absinthe]

You said they should watch networks like CBS instead of FOX. Well, with those kinds of tatics you can see why people are moving away from CBS.

I never said that they should watch CBS. I would prefer it, however, if Americans gathered their sources from a variety of sources. I check out CNN, BBC, FOX, and a variety of other sources before I make a decision. Too many people in America are content with sitting down and JUST watching FOX or JUST watching CNN. That's dangerous.

But FOX has proven consistently to be far more right-leaning than other stations are left-leaning.

No politican is.

Never said otherwise. You seemed to be insinuating that Bush somehow was. If that's not the case, then excuse my misunderstanding.

Again, we must work together to accomplish anything.

I am willing to work together in order to unite America. But if that means uniting America under the flag of Bush, then I'll take no part in it. If that means turning America into a theocracy of fear, legal discrimination, warmongering, and dangerously righteous patriotism, then I'd rather America stay divided until next election.

[seinfeldrules]

I am willing to work together in order to unite America. But if that means uniting America under the flag of Bush, then I'll take no part in it. If that means turning America into a theocracy of fear, legal discrimination, warmongering, and dangerously righteous patriotism, then I'd rather America stay divided until next election.

So that means for the next four years you will do nothing but bicker? Imagine what will happen 4 years after that if a Democrat is elected. No Republican would be willing to help him/her.

I never said that they should watch CBS. I would prefer it, however, if Americans gathered their sources from a variety of sources. I check out CNN, BBC, FOX, and a variety of other sources before I make a decision. Too many people in America are content with sitting down and JUST watching FOX or JUST watching CNN. That's dangerous.

But FOX has proven consistently to be far more right-leaning than other stations are left-leaning.
They are only right leaning because the media middle is to the left to begin with. I was watching CNN, CNBC, and CNN last night. I found the coverage to be pretty even. CBS looked like a fish on land however. FOX refused to call FLA for Bush until well after the other networks called it for him. They still have him down as 174 when the other networks have him at 186 and up.

[marksmanHL2 :)]

They are only right leaning because the media middle is to the left to begin with. I was watching CNN, CNBC, and CNN last night. I found the coverage to be pretty even. CBS looked like a fish on land however. FOX refused to call FLA for Bush until well after the other networks called it for him. They still have him down as 174 when the other networks have him at 186 and up.




Can I just point out that in Britain we have conservatives and labour as the main two parties (With the social democrats gaining more support all the time might i add)


The conservatives are pretty much the equivilant to you're democrats ....


But we dont have anyone as right wing as you're republicans even really in the running.




Our country is being run very very well at the moment irregardless of what people say. Our ecconomy is fantastic, healthcare and other state services are receiveing more funding than ever before....





Just wanted to point out that so called "liberals" can get the job done. Hell your "liberals" are on classed as right wing here!




Wing the exception of nader of course. Hes a tree hugger! (From what I have heard neway....) :thumbs:

[Neutrino]

Yeah...does it cause you to lose sleep at night I wonder.

Yes...

[seinfeldrules]

Just wanted to point out that so called "liberals" can get the job done. Hell your "liberals" are on classed as right wing here!

I never said they couldnt :D ! As I mentioned I am going to keep a hopeful eye on the Democrat Senator, Barack Obhama, from Illinois. It is the far left leaning liberals that refuse to accept President Bush at all that worry me.

[CptStern]

I can see why the political threads got erased ...any other time I would have agreeed with the decision ...but so soon after the most important election of the last quarter century? People are angry, people are scared, people need an outlet ..sure HL2.net isnt the place for it ..but many of us see each other as our peers ..if you cant discuss an important issue with people who share certain things in common who are we supposed to turn to?

frankly I couldnt find a more international forum if I tried ...It's not often I get to talk to people from sweden or the UK or australia ..I value their perspective because it isnt the same as mine

edit: I hate how some of you use the word "liberal" ..it's derogatory

[P-Lo]

I can see why the political threads got erased ...any other time I would have agreeed with the decision ...but so soon after the most important election of the last quarter century? People are angry, people are scared, people need an outlet ..sure HL2.net isnt the place for it ..but many of us see each other as our peers ..if you cant discuss an important issue with people who share certain things in common who are we supposed to turn to?

frankly I couldnt find a more international forum if I tried ...It's not often I get to talk to people from sweden or the UK or australia ..I value their perspective because it isnt the same as mine

edit: I hate how some of you use the word "liberal" ..it's derogatory

With different races of people. Well, not too sure. But thats besides the point and I'll just zip my zipper.

[KidRock]

Bush Rules!! Yeaa Get Some!! Get Some!!!! Shove It Liberals!

[qckbeam]

Yeah...does it cause you to lose sleep at night I wonder.

I totally missed this golden comment. I'm not sure, but I assume you're accusing certain people of not being genuine with their political concerns. Believe it or not, people do honestly care about what's going on in the world. Sane people do take the current political and social climate of their country seriously. Amazingly enough, people have begun to really care about things. I've only met a few apathetic people on these boards, and a few of them are on the staff, which is interesting isn't it? This wouldn't be them personally muzzling discussion would it now?

[CptStern]

Bush Rules!! Yeaa Get Some!! Get Some!!!! Shove It Liberals!


kidrock you are the embodiment of everything that people hate about americans:

ignorance, stupidity, arrogance and above all a false sense of superiority


thankfully you do not represent all americans

[Absinthe]

So that means for the next four years you will do nothing but bicker?

No. I will mind my own business here in Europe and let America twist itself into shit. Hopefully people will learn at some point that they screwed up.

Imagine what will happen 4 years after that if a Democrat is elected. No Republican would be willing to help him/her.

Because he wouldn't support warmongering, legal discrimination, undoing the separation of the Church and State, and BS wars? Yeah, if no Republican is willing to help out that kind of rational and compassionate human begin, then I guess America is proper ****ed.

This is not to say that those are all exclusively Republican qualities. I don't disagree with Bush because he's Republican. I disagree with him because of his actions. Not his party.

They are only right leaning because the media middle is to the left to begin with. I was watching CNN, CNBC, and CNN last night. I found the coverage to be pretty even. CBS looked like a fish on land however. FOX refused to call FLA for Bush until well after the other networks called it for him. They still have him down as 174 when the other networks have him at 186 and up.

So in order to balance out the liberal slant, they hose people with conservative bias?

There really isn't a middle ground anymore. You have the liberal-slanted groups like CNN and CBS up against the die-hard conservative news beast of FOX. And I don't think FOX does well because people are sick of a liberal bias. If they mind their politics that much, they'd know to check a variety of sources. It's just that FOX tells people what they want to hear. More importantly, the way they present their information is appealing. The president is doing great, the United States is A-OK, the War on Terror is making excellent progress, Michael Moore is a bag of crap, and--Hey! Bill O Reilly is sticking it to those pesky Liberals in a fun and entertaining fashion!

[KidRock]

kidrock you are the embodiment of everything that people hate about americans:

ignorance, stupidity, arrogance and above all a false sense of superiority


thankfully you do not represent all americans

hahah why would I care what a CANADIAN thinks. BUSH FO LYFE

[seinfeldrules]

People are angry, people are scared, people need an outlet

People are happy, people are cheery, people need an outlet to gloat! ;)

Name one stance upon which you are conservative stern.

[seinfeldrules]

kidrock you are the embodiment of everything that people hate about americans:

ignorance, stupidity, arrogance and above all a false sense of superiority


thankfully you do not represent all americans

Yeah because everyone who doesnt support Kerry isnt an American to you. You have made that quite clear over time.

[seinfeldrules]

Because he wouldn't support warmongering, legal discrimination, undoing the separation of the Church and State, and BS wars? Yeah, if no Republican is willing to help out that kind of rational and compassionate human begin, then I guess America is proper ****ed.

This is not to say that those are all exclusively Republican qualities. I don't disagree with Bush because he's Republican. I disagree with him because of his actions. Not his party.


And I would have disagreed with Kerry based on his actions. Doesnt mean I would have called him even a quarter or any of the names you are calling Bush. Face it, you're stance is on the extreme left wing side of American society right now.

[Korgoth]

kidrock you are the embodiment of everything that people hate about americans:

ignorance, stupidity, arrogance and above all a false sense of superiority


thankfully you do not represent all americans


Well thank you stern, he truly doesn't represent me. And all I want to say is sorry, sorry to the rest of the world who had such a huge stake in this election as well, I'm sorry to our children and our childrens children who will have to repair and repay this deficit and this economy, and who will not have proper retirement or healthcare to look forward to.

I'm sorry to all who were disenfranchised during this election due to dirty tricks like fliers telling them their polling place has changed only to find out when they get there that it hadn't and that they couldn't vote.

I'm terribly sorry to our men and women fighting in Iraq who (and I know at least one soldier and his entire company) who wanted a change and couldn't get it. Even though they are fighting and dying they weren't heard.

Most importantly i'm sorry for the people who couldn't see through the fog of lies that this man and his entire administration have spread, they aren't patriots or comrades and aren't strong on defense or good for the economy.I'm sorry that the people couldn't decipher the lies they were spoon fed over the last four years and I'm sorry that they honestly the believe the next four will be any different... if not the same, worse.

I did my part, and I feel betrayed. I feel betrayed by this system, I feel betrayed by the government and I feel betrayed by the religous right who thinks dropping bombs is better than gay marriage. And you know what, some one said it already, I'll say it again. From here on out, we get what deserve.

[seinfeldrules]

More importantly, the way they present their information is appealing. The president is doing great, the United States is A-OK, the War on Terror is making excellent progress, Michael Moore is a bag of crap, and--Hey! Bill O Reilly is sticking it to those pesky Liberals in a fun and entertaining fashion!
__________________
Have you ever watched FOX btw?

[Absinthe]

hahah why would I care what a CANADIAN thinks. BUSH FO LYFE

Get the Hell off my planet.

[FoxDie]

Damnit... another four years ;(

[Absinthe]

And I would have disagreed with Kerry based on his actions.

And what actions would those be?

Doesnt mean I would have called him even a quarter or any of the names you are calling Bush.

Well, duh. That's because Kerry hasn't done any of what Bush has.

Face it, you're stance is on the extreme left wing side of American society right now.

My stance is one of common sense. If you re-elect a President that has lied to you, sent your children to war, has gotten the world to hate you, and has slowly started stripping away your freedoms, then I don't think you have any.

You can interpret that as far left if you want. I'd be all the more flattered by it.

Have you ever watched FOX btw?

Yes I have. I also check Foxnews.com on a daily basis.

I'm tired and want to go bed now. I may reply tomorrow, depending on how many pages have accumulated since my departure.

[Phisionary]

What is it with you guys? There was a huge election in the United States that will affect the course of the world and has left a huge number of people very, very angry and you say we're bitching/moaning/complaining and dwelling on the past, close all threads relating to politics, and give us one thread to speak in? What the **** were you expecting in the off-topic forum exactly? Why aren't we allowed to make topics on what we wish to talk about? Why the bullshit quite frankly? Your reasons aren't making much sense.So the sticky is your answer? Well your sticky is quite frankly a load of bullshit. Telling everyone to listen up or shut up is just stupid. Saying that the anger over the election that ended only hours ago is whining, bitching, moaning and complaining is stupid. Telling us we can only talk about it in this thread is stupid. I don't care if it's a gaming forum, this is off-topic chat. This is all a load of bullshit and some of us do have a problem with it and you can bet it'll be your problem as well.These are my sentiments exactly. I'm very dissapointed with this.

[Neutrino]

These are my sentiments exactly. I'm very dissapointed with this.

Agreed.

During this election the electorate was pretty much divided 50-50. Just because the election is over, doesn't mean this ratio changed at all or that politics just went away. People are still heavily divided about something that affects all our lives.

[burner69]

Wow. I go out for a few hours, come back and it's all gone mad!

Before I make my political rant, which is of no relevence because
a) I'm a UK citizen
b) I'm on a half-life 2 forum
and c) because I don't lose sleep over politics

I would like to ask the moderators a favour.

The majority of people in this forum are putting across political views. They are backing up statements, hell, even in the old posts we had links to news articles - WE WERE HAVING A DEBATE.
A hot debate, strong views exchanged (don't know WHY we might be a little charged ryt now) but in general, between those who were making political points there was little slaggin off. Others ruined it. Others came along to knock their post count up, sound cool or even be funny (I don't see how anything on this topic is funny - if you find it funny, you don't have the slightest idea of the scale of these issues). We had, quite frankly, some idiots ruining a debate.
Mods, don't let that cloud your judgement on those of us who are debating. It's tense stuff, sure, blows are being exchanged but that's what debates are. I hear you're opening a political thread, I understand your concern, especially when we get threads of "anti-bush" which is just pathetic.
Thank you for controlling it; but please allow it to continue.

Now; the politics.
Bush should not have won. Simple. If we're going by quality of leadership, which we should, he should not be president now.
He's annihilating the economy
He has no regard for enivironmental issues which will, believe me, be important
In distancing himself from the UN he has undermined years of work, and set himself up as some sort of lone freedom fighting force who does not have to stick to the rules.
He's started a war on something inobtainable. Striking sticks at a hornets nest to make his pretty garden "safer".
While the American economy withers he wastes resources over throwing dictators his country installed - and in doing so misleading his people into believing there was a need to. Then, when quite clearly there was no threat - he plays the "he was an evil man" card and wipes his hands (absinthe, I got that from u - sorry to pinch it).
Now wrapped up in an anti terroism parcel he is quite free to invade other countrys.

Assasination? What's the point, it's the Bush regime that's doing the damage, he's just the cute guy on the box. And he would probably become a matyr and I'd bloody hate that.

So why didn't America vote for Kerry? Why? Because some people like Bush. Fair play. If you do, I don't mind as long as you know WHY you voted for him.
Others believed that the war in Iraq was preventing terroists and WMDs - even now - as demonstrated in an earlier topic (thanks again absinthe).
Others just go with the flow.

And also because Kerry isn't much better either. Politicians, as someone rightly said earlier, are never good choice. Life's a bitch. And we have no power to change it.
If you believe because I'm not crying about it or losing sleep it means I don't care, you are misguided. WRONG would be another word.

The world is entering a dangerous time, if anybody's stupid enough to believe it's safer check out the papers - bombings here, terrorist threats twarted there, masacres of innocent people. These were not happening in this proportion before bush. 9/11 is an important factor, and I don't like bringing that attrocity into a forum about who won the election, but you can't just say it happened and cause everything else. It happened because of Bush's Papa pissing about with countries he had nothing to do with (while he armed Saddam). Pissing a lot of people off. You think people danced around cheering in some eastern countries when it happened because they just 'didn't like America'? They had reason to. Though celebrating anyone dying is just insane, and bring civilisation down to a primitive stage.
Then America making blows in the dark at Osama didn't help matters. Bomb Afgan. Nope not there. Can't find him. "Overthrow Saddam, weapons, terrorists." What a great idea. Now we have several major terrorist organisations being forced out of the woodwork to battle against an enemy that is illegally invading a country A COUNTRY! in a hunt for them.

Human cost is just tossed aside. The rules that stood before, for a reason, are thrown down. And now the Western World is thrown into 'war' with a concept. But a concept that can, and does, kill.

And, to be quite honest, it seems to all point back at bush.

So sorry if some of us are expressing concern over him being reelected less than 12 hours after. Apologies if we seem a little hot headed on the topic. It just looks like we have good reason.

And Half Life 2 will be so cool. 12 days. Yippee.

[Dsty2001]

Well thank you stern, he truly doesn't represent me. And all I want to say is sorry, sorry to the rest of the world who had such a huge stake in this election as well, I'm sorry to our children and our childrens children who will have to repair and repay this deficit and this economy, and who will not have proper retirement or healthcare to look forward to.

I'm sorry to all who were disenfranchised during this election due to dirty tricks like fliers telling them their polling place has changed only to find out when they get there that it hadn't and that they couldn't vote.

I'm terribly sorry to our men and women fighting in Iraq who (and I know at least one soldier and his entire company) who wanted a change and couldn't get it. Even though they are fighting and dying they weren't heard.

Most importantly i'm sorry for the people who couldn't see through the fog of lies that this man and his entire administration have spread, they aren't patriots or comrades and aren't strong on defense or good for the economy.I'm sorry that the people couldn't decipher the lies they were spoon fed over the last four years and I'm sorry that they honestly the believe the next four will be any different... if not the same, worse.

I did my part, and I feel betrayed. I feel betrayed by this system, I feel betrayed by the government and I feel betrayed by the religous right who thinks dropping bombs is better than gay marriage. And you know what, some one said it already, I'll say it again. From here on out, we get what deserve.

Wow, your so full of crap its unbelievable. First off, you try and make it sound like Bush stole the election. Sorry buddy, but there was cheating on BOTH sides of the political fence. Your to blind to realise that however. Second, I find it extremely funny you try to make it sound like the military was for Kerry. Sorry junior, but most of my family has/is in the military, and I have alot of friends that is in the military, or is about to join. Wake up and smell the coffee, most of the military hates Kerrys guts. I also find it funny how you blame the bad economy on Bush. Bush wasn't in office but a few months, and you blame him? September 11th, the end of the tech boom, corparation scandals out the ass, and dozens of other factors (which Clinton could have easily stopped) is the result of the bad economy. And guess what buddy, the public has spoken. I was so happy when I heard Bush won, cause I was terrified the liar/hypocrite/miracle man who claimed he would bring turn the deficit into a surpluss, raise taxes, basically make healthcare completely goverment run, create millions of jobs in four years, would win the election. Thank god the American public seen through Kerrys lies and deceptions and empty promises. If your so afraid to live in America now, move to Canada or France. I'm sure they would be glad to have you. ROFL

[FoxDie]

These are my sentiments exactly. I'm very dissapointed with this.
Agreed.

Let's open a politics forum section for the time being.

[The Dark Elf]

Agreed.

Let's open a politics forum section for the time being.
Wow guys.. thanks for not reading

god no wonder some of you get so worked up, never bleedin listen.

[Tim F]

Tocqueville observed that for better or worse, the single irrevocable thing a president can do is appoint judges. Everything else can be fixed by the next guy.

Watch very carefully who Bush appoints to the courts. That will be his legacy.

If the first term is any guide, the days of a woman being able to choose whether or not to have the baby, under any circumstances, ever, are coming to an end. Rape? Incest? Life-threatening complications? Coathanger for you. Bush judicial appointees are that scary.

[Dsty2001]

The world is entering a dangerous time, if anybody's stupid enough to believe it's safer check out the papers - bombings here, terrorist threats twarted there, masacres of innocent people. These were not happening in this proportion before bush.

Actually, hate to burst your bubble but terrorist threats, massacre of innocent people, bombings here and there have been going on for a long time. In fact, the 1990s seen a HUGE jump in terrorism. Alot of embassy bombings, car bombs, suicide bombers everywhere. I will try and find some sources, but if I remember correctly, terrorism in 2003 (Not sure about 2004) was the lowest in 30 years.

[Dsty2001]

Actually, here is something I came up with quick, not what I was looking for but it basically says the same thing

There were 190 acts of international terrorism in 2003, a slight decrease from the 198 attacks that occurred in 2002, and a drop of 45 percent from the level in 2001 of 346 attacks. The figure in 2003 represents the lowest annual total of international terrorist attacks since 1969.

A total of 307 persons were killed in the attacks of 2003, far fewer than the 725 killed during 2002. A total of 1,593 persons were wounded in the attacks that occurred in 2003, down from 2,013 persons wounded the year before.

In 2003, the highest number of attacks (70) and the highest casualty count (159 persons dead and 951 wounded) occurred in Asia.

There were 82 anti-US attacks in 2003, which is up slightly from the 77 attacks the previous year, and represents a 62-percent decrease from the 219 attacks recorded in 2001.

[Lil' Timmy]

Wow guys.. thanks for not reading

god no wonder some of you get so worked up, never bleedin listen.i've found that it's better to read the posts rather than try to listen to them.. generally speaking :|

i'll be here all night folks! :D

[FoxDie]

Wow guys.. thanks for not reading

god no wonder some of you get so worked up, never bleedin listen.
I read the whole thread. I was agreeing with the idea of putting up a political forum (I read your post saying that you were working on it.) I was supporting the idea, and the fact that there was a need for it. Sorry for the confusion :)

[The Dark Elf]

i've found that it's better to read the posts rather than try to listen to them.. generally speaking :|

i'll be here all night folks! :D
ho ho ho :p

-

-Frosty-, ok my bad :)

[Dsty2001]

Actually, if your interested in the war on terror get this book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260522/ref=pd_sim_books_3/103-6829057-6051023?v=glance&s=books

Very good book with lots of interesting information.

[Korgoth]

Wow, your so full of crap its unbelievable. First off, you try and make it sound like Bush stole the election. Sorry buddy, but there was cheating on BOTH sides of the political fence. Your to blind to realise that however. Second, I find it extremely funny you try to make it sound like the military was for Kerry. Sorry junior, but most of my family has/is in the military, and I have alot of friends that is in the military, or is about to join. Wake up and smell the coffee, most of the military hates Kerrys guts. I also find it funny how you blame the bad economy on Bush. Bush wasn't in office but a few months, and you blame him? September 11th, the end of the tech boom, corparation scandals out the ass, and dozens of other factors (which Clinton could have easily stopped) is the result of the bad economy. And guess what buddy, the public has spoken. I was so happy when I heard Bush won, cause I was terrified the liar/hypocrite/miracle man who claimed he would bring turn the deficit into a surpluss, raise taxes, basically make healthcare completely goverment run, create millions of jobs in four years, would win the election. Thank god the American public seen through Kerrys lies and deceptions and empty promises. If your so afraid to live in America now, move to Canada or France. I'm sure they would be glad to have you. ROFL


Whats even funnier is how deeply connected the bush family is to these companies that were wrapped up in accounting scandals, (eron anyone)

Second I know plenty of current and ex military men for kerry, and only 1 (one) to the contrary. Thus my opinion here is based on what I know. Not what I've read. Sorry, debate it all you want you can't change my reality.

I like how your side claims bush is strong on defense but as you say we were attacked after he took office (bin laden determined to attack within the US i believe was the name of the report. the administration recieved months before the attack, yet they did nothing, read the 9/11 comission findings)

Oh and good on you for poking fun at Canada and France you moron. We all live on this planet, your superiority complex just reiterates what a sad scared little man you truly are.

And on clinton fixing all these problems, well why hasn't bush? I haven't seen him jump to get rid of NAFTA, I have seen him give tax credit to companies who send our jobs over seas, and I have seen him open our borders, and I have seen him rape our healthcare. So you can spit your crap all day long, in the end we will still be at war because the invisible man told him to send us, our gas prices will still be through the roof, our security will still be in the hands of money hungry chimps who could give two shits about us. And ya know what, Canada and France are sure lookin' a hell of a lot safer and smarter these days.

[FoxDie]

-Frosty-, ok my bad :)
No problem, I'm just glad it got cleared up :cheers:

And I'm glad that you guys are flexible enought to create a new section for important topics (that's one of the things that makes these forums so great) :thumbs:

[qckbeam]

Well this is lovely; a certain staff member has decided to formally warn me about my posts in the political thread. Apparently I'm trying to "rile up" everyone and cause a lot of trouble or some such nonsense. To that staff member I'd like to say: please **** off. I've done nothing to deserve a warning, and nothing to deserve a ban. I'm tired of the over-moderation of these forums, and I'm tired of this superiority complex some of the moderators seem to have (not all of you by any means, some of you are fantastic moderators, people, and friends). I'm tired of people being silenced by moderators for having opinions. I've seen what goes on behind the curtain here, probably more than most members have, and let me tell you, it's not all pretty. I'm being threatened with a ban because a certain someone has a personal reason to attack me, and it is, just like this thread, a load of bullshit.

[f|uke]

I'm tired of the over-moderation of these forums, and I'm tired of this superiority complex some of the moderators seem to have (not all of you by any means, some of you are fantastic moderators, people, and friends). I'm tired of people being silenced by moderators for having opinions. :cheers: I agree.

And where the hell did that Daily Show thread go? Why go as far as delete it when all the other political threads just got locked?

[Tim F]

terrorism in 2003 (Not sure about 2004) was the lowest in 30 years.

That came from a State Department report that they later retracted. Turns out they stopped counting in November. Oops. When they (very quietly) released the revised numbers 2003 had the highest rate of terror attacks in 20 years.

[oldagerocker]

Statistics can tell you anything when you bend them, apparently...

[burner69]

Dsty2001, I don't want this to become a flaming match at all. I genuinely appriciate people who take the time to research into what they're saying. But as Tim F rightly sed - they're flawed.
VERY flawed.
And it just shows how the system can 'brainwash' you. Please, don't take that as an offense - I am referring to a comment I made in a now deleted thread about the government having more control over us than we believe. Here is an example where a clearly intelligent person has been 'tricked' into believing something. You had every right to. And I would have done if that was all I had been told.

And qckbeam, I don't see how you've done wrong. Glad you aren't keeping quiet.

[CrazyHarij]

Well this is lovely; a certain staff member has decided to formally warn me about my posts in the political thread. Apparently I'm trying to "rile up" everyone and cause a lot of trouble or some such nonsense. To that staff member I'd like to say: please **** off. I've done nothing to deserve a warning, and nothing to deserve a ban. I'm tired of the over-moderation of these forums, and I'm tired of this superiority complex some of the moderators seem to have (not all of you by any means, some of you are fantastic moderators, people, and friends). I'm tired of people being silenced by moderators for having opinions. I've seen what goes on behind the curtain here, probably more than most members have, and let me tell you, it's not all pretty. I'm being threatened with a ban because a certain someone has a personal reason to attack me, and it is, just like this thread, a load of bullshit.

Well, ain't that pretty.. :|

[CptStern]

I will try and find some sources, but if I remember correctly, terrorism in 2003 (Not sure about 2004) was the lowest in 30 years.


before you try looking it up, read this (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/terror/main614786.shtml) ..that claim was proven to be false

[Tr0n]

Well this is lovely; a certain staff member has decided to formally warn me about my posts in the political thread. Apparently I'm trying to "rile up" everyone and cause a lot of trouble or some such nonsense. To that staff member I'd like to say: please **** off. I've done nothing to deserve a warning, and nothing to deserve a ban. I'm tired of the over-moderation of these forums, and I'm tired of this superiority complex some of the moderators seem to have (not all of you by any means, some of you are fantastic moderators, people, and friends). I'm tired of people being silenced by moderators for having opinions. I've seen what goes on behind the curtain here, probably more than most members have, and let me tell you, it's not all pretty. I'm being threatened with a ban because a certain someone has a personal reason to attack me, and it is, just like this thread, a load of bullshit.He speaks the truth...qck was once a mod.I'm here to back ya up anytime buddy!

[willyd]

TEXAS IS VERY PROUD OF BUSH TO WIN THE RE-ELECTION. Nothing is better than the freedom to hunt turkeys with AK-47s and M4s. Hopefully Bush will some day let us use our M-60s. Were also glad becuase we in Texas are very religious and Bush declares he has divine right (like a king.) Were also glad that we will destroy the enviroment and use up the worlds oil supply quicker than ever by drilling in Alaska. And we will continue to fight terrorists while paying them for their oil, and not trying to make an effort to conserve.

Yayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!



(sorry, i was tired after being at my high school which is about 95% conservative)

[KidRock]

Get the Hell off my planet.


hahaha I love how you people go so insane over the littlest comments.

[CyberSh33p]

Well this is lovely; a certain staff member has decided to formally warn me about my posts in the political thread. Apparently I'm trying to "rile up" everyone and cause a lot of trouble or some such nonsense. To that staff member I'd like to say: please **** off. I've done nothing to deserve a warning, and nothing to deserve a ban. I'm tired of the over-moderation of these forums, and I'm tired of this superiority complex some of the moderators seem to have (not all of you by any means, some of you are fantastic moderators, people, and friends). I'm tired of people being silenced by moderators for having opinions. I've seen what goes on behind the curtain here, probably more than most members have, and let me tell you, it's not all pretty. I'm being threatened with a ban because a certain someone has a personal reason to attack me, and it is, just like this thread, a load of bullshit.
I agree, mods seem to be using powers for the wrong reasons and personal reasons all too much. I am formally behind you in any case.

[Hapless]

I don't want to hear anymore of this "We have to rally around our president; what we need is acceptance" bull. I heard the same thing four years ago when Gore lost the election, about how we needed to come together and stand behind our President. I believed it then, and I followed it then despite the intense controversy. I won't be making that mistake again. Look where that got us, look where we are today. I can't respect Bush, I can't respect his administration, and I have lost all respect and sympathy for the people of this country that would not only put him back in office, but give him a Republican Congress as well. This is not the time to sit back and mourn our loss.
As a Republican, I gotta say.....................................................BRAVO! I hope the rest of your party takes this stance, goes even FURTHER to the left, and guarantees a Republican country for generations to come. You go boy!

[CyberSh33p]

As a Republican, I gotta say.....................................................BRAVO! I hope the rest of your party takes this stance, goes even FURTHER to the left, and guarantees a Republican country for generations to come. You go boy!
I for one am going to move to canada and take over, switch over to a socialist dictatorship with me in contorl, start up a giant military, and take over the USA with help from mexico and russia.

[qckbeam]

As a Republican, I gotta say.....................................................BRAVO! I hope the rest of your party takes this stance, goes even FURTHER to the left, and guarantees a Republican country for generations to come. You go boy!

Thanks, I'll continue to fight for what I believe is right, and I hope the Democratic party will follow that trend as well this time around. If everyone would have been tough on Bush and called things as they saw them instead of collecting ammo for the campaign, perhaps we wouldn't be where we are right now. I truly believe that the Republican fear machine is what won this election. We let it get too strong because it was unchecked for too long. It won't be happening again.

[KidRock]

I for one am going to move to canada and take over, switch over to a socialist dictatorship with me in contorl, start up a giant military, and take over the USA with help from mexico and russia.

lol Mexico will send there entire army consisting of a jeep with a broken machine gun on the back and a few boys willing to fight for some beer.

[CyberSh33p]

lol Mexico will send there entire army consisting of a jeep with a broken machine gun on the back and a few boys willing to fight for some beer.
yep, you'll never see it coming

[P-Lo]

Oh I think they have alittle more than a jeep. ..


RELEASE THE COWS!


And with that...I'm off to the haystack. zzZZ

[bliink]

I truly believe that the Republican fear machine is what won this election.

Its not long now before that escalates and you find yourselves in some crazy 1984 world...

[Hapless]

Thanks, I'll continue to fight for what I believe is right, and I hope the Democratic party will follow that trend as well this time around. If everyone would have been tough on Bush and called things as they saw them instead of collecting ammo for the campaign, perhaps we wouldn't be where we are right now. I truly believe that the Republican fear machine is what won this election. We let it get too strong because it was unchecked for too long. It won't be happening again.

If everyone would have been tough on Bush??????? The Republican fear machine? Which party/candidate spouted these fearmongering statements:

1. If ______ wins, there's going to be a draft!!
2. The _________ Party wants to keep you from voting, just like they did in the 60's (with pics of blacks being sprayed with fire hoses)
3. If __________ wins, there's going to be a January surprise!!! He's going to take your social security!!!!!!!
4. If ___________ wins, the Europeans will be really mad at us!!!!!!!!
5. Vote (for Kerry) or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....and much much more......

I believe the Democrats have drifted SO far to the left that they screwed themselves. Allowing people like Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Whoopi Goldberg, Bruce Springsteen and the like to be the very public face of your campaign and party is akin to the Republicans getting out the ultra right wing, white supremacist idiots to campaign for them, then giving David Duke a seat of honor next to former President Bush at the Republican National Convention and having Matt Hale (white supremacist World Church of the Creator leader) as one of the speakers (just as Michael Moore got to sit next to Jimmy Carter and Al Sharpton was one of the speakers at the DNC). The majority in this country, OBVIOUSLY, does not align itself with those types, on either extreme, so why does the Democratic Party continue to trot these morons out? It has only succeeded in losing them Congress, the White House, and basically the country. It is readily apparent that YOU side with these idiots, given your rant. That is exactly the sort of thing that lost you folks the election.

[CyberSh33p]

If everyone would have been tough on Bush??????? The Republican fear machine? Which party/candidate spouted these fearmongering statements:

1. If ______ wins, there's going to be a draft!!
2. The _________ Party wants to keep you from voting, just like they did in the 60's (with pics of blacks being sprayed with fire hoses)
3. If __________ wins, there's going to be a January surprise!!! He's going to take your social security!!!!!!!
4. If ___________ wins, the Europeans will be really mad at us!!!!!!!!
5. Vote (for Kerry) or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....and much much more......

I believe the Democrats have drifted SO far to the left that they screwed themselves. Allowing people like Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Whoopi Goldberg, Bruce Springsteen and the like to be the very public face of your campaign and party is akin to the Republicans getting out the ultra right wing, white supremacist idiots to campaign for them, then giving David Duke a seat of honor next to former President Bush at the Republican National Convention and having Matt Hale (white supremacist World Church of the Creator leader) as one of the speakers (just as Michael Moore got to sit next to Jimmy Carter and Al Sharpton was one of the speakers at the DNC). The majority in this country, OBVIOUSLY, does not align itself with those types, on either extreme, so why does the Democratic Party continue to trot these morons out? It has only succeeded in losing them Congress, the White House, and basically the country. It is readily apparent that YOU side with these idiots, given your rant. That is exactly the sort of thing that lost you folks the election.
the good thing is how much more can a guy eff up a country in 4 years, right? new president in '08, woot.

course, watch him remove the two term limit thing and declare complete authority over the government :P

[Hapless]

course, watch him remove the two term limit thing and declare complete authority over the government :P

Now THAT'S some fear-mongering :cheers: You sure you aren't Republican? ;)

[CyberSh33p]

I'm more socialist really

check the av, gimme 25 years and I'll make it reality(minus the fire maybe)

[Tim F]

This rightwing triumphalism is bizarre. The Republicans won by planting anti-gay marriage amendments on swing state ballots and pushing the issue relentlessly. IOW, fear of guys kissing won this race. God knows it's not any sort of extremism by the Democrats. The party run by Daschle? Hello?

Interesting question: how can the GOP gin up enough fear of gayness to win in 2006? They've already got the marriage angle covered. God knows they can't run on any real issues. I see Hastert waving a list of fifty - nay five hundred! - names of card-carrying gay people working in the federal government. Maybe a push to keep gay teachers out of public schools. Heaven knows, once you start demagogueing a vulnerable minority the possibilities are endless.

[Hapless]

This rightwing triumphalism is bizarre. The Republicans won by planting anti-gay marriage amendments on swing state ballots and pushing the issue relentlessly. IOW, fear of guys kissing won this race. God knows it's not any sort of extremism by the Democrats. The party run by Daschle? Hello?

Interesting question: how can the GOP gin up enough fear of gayness to win in 2006? They've already got the marriage angle covered. God knows they can't run on any real issues. I see Hastert waving a list of fifty - nay five hundred! - names of card-carrying gay people working in the federal government. Maybe a push to keep gay teachers out of public schools. Heaven knows, once you start demagogueing a vulnerable minority the possibilities are endless.

Yep, you must be right. :rolleyes: BTW, Daschle isn't running anything anymore. :laugh:

[Tim F]

Good riddance. Fine guy, terrible minority leader.