Bush, SDI, and the future of the planet

[Logic]

Back during the cold war, America (under President Reagan) announced a program for strategic missile defence that would allow enemy missiles, air craft, and other airborne threats, to be targeted and eliminated from space, through the use of a large satellite system that would orbit the earth. This project, often called "Star Wars", was known as SDI, or the 'Strategic Defense Initiative". At the time, critics called the project unrealistic, but since Russia and the US were so competitive at the time (this was the cold war after all), Russia announced their own similar project. Ridiculous sums of money were poured into both projects, and in a sense, SDI became an economic weapon, contributing to the Soviet Union's downfall by causing them to spend enormous amounts of money to compete with the US. Once the cold war ended, though, I don't think anyone really believed that either project would ever come to fruition. Big space lasers? Nah, not gonna happen. The project was cancelled in the early 90s, though military research of course never ended. Since then, different presidential administrations have proposed varying different missile defense systems, such as "GPALS", but these were merely proposed, not developed.

Now, though, it looks as if it will not only happen, but that it's just around the corner. George W. Bush is determined to bring the project into fruition, and the system is intended to be deployed, at a cost of up to US$60 billion, by 2005. The project will breach the 1972 ABM treaty with Russia, but Bush has stated that if the Russians won't change their terms, he will go ahead with it anyway. Previous presidents (such as Bush Sr.) have suggested that the project could be a joint venture by the US and Russia, but the current project is being developed solely by the United States. The US has has oposition from many nations regarding the development of SDI, but the project continues.

There is absolutely no intention for the project to be turned over to the United Nations, which I believe it should be, indicating that this project is, just as it was in the cold war, being developed to give the US a nearly unmatchable military component, and consequently, effective control of the planet through military power. Of course, we all know that not even United Nations resistance will stop Bush, who effectively destroyed the UN's power by ignoring them and going to war with Iraq against their decisions. This is not a case of the US trying to keep peace throughout the world, but rather a case of the US trying to gain and maintain control of the world.

During the cold war, neither Russia nor the US fired on each other, because they knew that if one country deployed a nuclear strike, the other would deploy a retaliation strike moments later, and both countries would be devastated. With this system in place, particularly as the technology improves in accuracy and effectiveness, the US will be able to stop foreign nuclear weapons from reaching their country, meaning they will be able to attack without retalliation. Considering Bush's recent actions, and indeed America's past use of large-scale weapons, it seems now that the world may yet again see the use of nuclear \ atomic weapons.

This is happening NOW. This isn't some far off fantasy, or science fiction, or even an unrealistic military objective.. In no time at all, Bush will have a space-deployed weapon system, capable of being pointed at anything, anywhere, on or around planet earth. Bush has demonstrated that he has no hesitation using military power to achieve goals. Though the system is technically 'defensive', the offensive potential of such a weapon system is obvious, and once deployed, it would simply become another part of the US military's arsenal, and another step, if not the defining step, towards a world governed not through peace by the United Nations, but through the threat of destruction, by George W. Bush.

Whether or not you support Bush, and whether or not you are American, this is cause for concern. If anyone has a point of view on this, please share it, and lets have some open minded discussion on the topic.

[Spartan]

If the system gets launched, I hope that terrorists will do something about it. Seriously. I'd rather see the US get nuked.

[Logic]

If the system gets launched, I hope that terrorists will do something about it. Seriously. I'd rather see the US get nuked. The American people shouldn't be made to suffer, it is after all just one man causing all the problems.

[Mr-Fusion]

It is disgusting but the irony is that America won't be nuked by an ICBM, if there ever is a nuclear device detonated it would have been smuggled in secretly....one would think so anyway. No-one will know who did it, America won't know who to retailate against and MAD is not initiated.

[Diablo2k]

The American people shouldn't be made to suffer, it is after all just one man causing all the problems.

One man where many of them voted for..

[burnzie]

So more inocent people will be killed.

Yeah im pretty sure thats the solution... :|

[Spartan]

The American people shouldn't be made to suffer, it is after all just one man causing all the problems.

Currently, it looks like the American people re-elected Bush. So there. At any rate, America is becoming too much of threat to world safety. Hopefully it will collapse on its own.

[umop]

I agree Spart. You'd think that after Bush has proven how incompetent he is in office after four years, there would be many more people supporting whoever is running against him. It looks like the psycological campaigns have worked and even more people are voting for him and unbelievable amounts of people are easily 'brainwashed' I guess.

[jet jaguar]

Yeah, that 60 billion dollar SDI system will be a fine defense for small teams of determined terrorists infiltrating underguarded nuclear facilities.

[K e r b e r o s]

If the system gets launched, I hope that terrorists will do something about it. Seriously. I'd rather see the US get nuked.

If your going to cause us problems in the U.S., hurry up, get on our soil, and start shooting at us. Were reproducing like Rabbits here!

The American people shouldn't be made to suffer, it is after all just one man causing all the problems.


They dont care. They honestly dont.

Thats okay, you Aussie's were always good to us. :D

No-one will know who did it, America won't know who to retailate against and MAD is not initiated.

So...could you hurry up and do this too? I mean, discussing it does get boring. Doing it. Wow, that would be awesome.

After all, you dont care about the retributions. :D Oh, and you will reap them.

One man where many of them voted for..

All people like you, but thats okay. Nuking America would cause you Environmental problems, and us nuking back, would put our whole genetic ancestry into a spin.

The only thing left on this earth, would be Cochroaches and Archibacteria.

Currently, it looks like the American people re-elected Bush. So there. At any rate, America is becoming too much of threat to world safety. Hopefully it will collapse on its own.

Well, we have'nt invaded Europe.

Your depressed. Goto sleep.

It looks like the psycological campaigns have worked and even more people are voting for him and unbelievable amounts of people are easily 'brainwashed' I guess.


HEY YOU! FLORIDA! BUSH'S ELECTORAL STATE! SHUT THE **** UP!

...thank you.

[Prone]

Well, we have'nt invaded Europe.

That had me chuckling...

[K e r b e r o s]

That had me chuckling...

But now you stopped, right? Or, are you still chuckling?

[Spartan]

Speaking of invasion, someone once told me that US forces could occupy the entire planet, easily. I wonder if Iraq has changed his mind. US forces wouldn't last a day in Europe.

[burnzie]

I wonder if Iraq has changed his mind

Who is this "iraq" you speak of?

edit: ohh i get it, sorry i read it wrong

[K e r b e r o s]

Speaking of invasion, someone once told me that US forces could occupy the entire planet, easily. I wonder if Iraq has changed his mind. US forces wouldn't last a day in Europe.

When Conventional Armies fight Coventional War, the one with the best Coventional Weapons, wins.

We have all of the above criteria. France would surrender, Holland would retreat into Germany, then Russia, would invade Poland.

World War II all over again--except, backwards.

[Sprafa]

If Europe-Russia-China allied vs America we'd have a 1 billion men army, plus advanced weaponry, plus possible Arab support, which would take you down in no time.

[burnzie]

and australia will be like "wtf!1! mate"

[Prone]

Yes, I stopped. Because I made coffee and chuckling while brewing coffee would've been bad ;)

About an invasion: I don't know, I don't think it has been tried like that, or has it?

[crabcakes66]

Speaking of invasion, someone once told me that US forces could occupy the entire planet, easily. I wonder if Iraq has changed his mind. US forces wouldn't last a day in Europe.


W.t.f. are you on about?

Your just as bad as the kiddy that told you the US could occupy the world.

If Europe-Russia-China allied vs America we'd have a 1 billion men army, plus advanced weaponry, plus possible Arab support, which would take you down in no time.


First off.....you guys couldnt unite against a cockroach. That and your ill equipped and trained billion men would be pretty useless without any proper supply train or mode of transportation. Your economies would colapse.

Second, Big GB would not hesitate to ...


"Oh shit there goes the planet"

[Spartan]

When Conventional Armies fight Coventional War, the one with the best Coventional Weapons, wins.

We have all of the above criteria. Holland would retreat into Germany, then Russia, would invade Poland.

World War II all over again--except, backwards.

I can see that you didn't pay any attention to what I said. If US forces can't keep it together in Iraq, they have no chance againts a modern, well-equipped, well-trained and motivated army.

France would surrender

And why is this?

[Logic]

Those who voted for Bush aren't accountable for his actions or decisions. I'd never suggest that the US should be nuked. The whole issue here is that the current political path of the United States is a threat to world peace, and to nuke the US to stop them is exactly as bad as bush bombing or invading "for peace". Violence isn't the answer.

What we have here is a case of Bush pushing for United States control of the world. If he was truly an advocate of world peace, he would accept the leadership of the UN and not take world matters into his own hands. He wants America to rule the world, and he's developing the means to make that a reality.

[K e r b e r o s]

If Europe-Russia-China allied vs America we'd have a 1 billion men army, plus advanced weaponry, plus possible Arab support, which would take you down in no time.

China does'nt like you. Russia, they dont like you either. In America, you pushed us to not liking you.

The Bear, the Dragon, and the Eagle.

Dont **** with us.

[Spartan]

W.t.f. are you on about?

Your just as bad as the kiddy that told you the US could occupy the world.

I'm just being logical and realistic.

[K e r b e r o s]

I can see that you didn't pay any attention to what I said. If US forces can't keep it together in Iraq, they have no chance againts a modern, well-equipped, well-trained and motivated army.

Yes they would. It would just mean we'd have to re-arous our Wartime Democracy, and pave down Europe with level bombers again.

You forget one thing about our Conventional Warfare. We chased Germany out of France, because of our Air Power, and our Navy.

Taking France, and Germany, would be a task, but it would'nt be too awefully hard. Besides, we could use ports in Britain again.

I'm just being logical and realistic.

No your not. If you were being logical and realistic, you would'nt have bothered listening to your own "OMFG BUSH WON" hysteria. Oh, and I would'nt be posting this.

[Prone]

Well, most of the european states are friends with Russia now. But China wouldn't help I think.

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, most of the european states are friends with Russia now. But China wouldn't help I think.

Russia is our buddy. They're fighting terrorism too. They like us. They dont like you. China, would help Russia, because of their political states.

China, has also developed to fight terrorism. They'd be on our side aswell.

[Spartan]

You forget one thing about our Conventional Warfare. We chased Germany out of France, because of our Air Power, and our Navy.

That was about sixty years ago... it's 2004, now.

Taking France, and Germany, would be a task, but it would'nt be too awefully hard. Besides, we could use ports in britain again.

Just like taking Iraq hasn't proved awfully hard... or Vietnam.

[Sprafa]

Yes they would. It would just mean we'd have to re-arous our Wartime Democracy, and pave down Europe with level bombers again.

You forget one thing about our Conventional Warfare. We chased Germany out of France, because of our Air Power, and our Navy.

Taking France, and Germany, would be a task, but it would'nt be too awefully hard. Besides, we could use ports in Britain again.



No your not. If you were being logical and realistic, you would'nt have bothered listening to your own "OMFG BUSH WON" hysteria. Oh, and I would'nt be posting this.


Your Air force only has air supremacy under the unexistant opposition of an similarly advanced air force.

The moment the USA attacked any country in the EU, the entire EU would gang up and blast away. Odds are an Iberian Invasion wouldn't go up from the Pyrinees.

Russia and China have better relations with the EU now than they ever had with the USA. You can't hold that up kiddo.

[K e r b e r o s]

That was about sixty years ago... it's 2004, now.

Things have'nt changed at all.

Just like taking Iraq hasn't proved awfully hard... or Vietnam.

This proves it.

[Spartan]

Russia is our buddy. They're fighting terrorism too. They like us. They dont like you. China, would help Russia, because of their political states.

China, has also developed to fight terrorism. They'd be on our side aswell.

Wait. Russia and China would ally with the US againts the rest of the world because Bush says "there are terrorists everywhere lets attack random countries at once?" Are you high on something?

[crabcakes66]

Iraq is not a full scale war.

[K e r b e r o s]

Your Air force only has air supremacy under the unexistant opposition of an similarly advanced air force.

Similarly? No. Not at all. Course, most of your technologies, you should be thanking Britain and America for.

Plus, you cant handle the F-22 aces. Your just pwned right there.

[Spartan]

Things have'nt changed at all.

Ookkkaayyy.. I'm apparently dealing with some crazed lunatic who is still reliving World War II.

We'll resume this discussion when your flashback is over.

[Logic]

I somehow doubt we'll see an invasion of the US. Besides, once SDI is operational, they will be able to simply threaten to nuke the countries posing a threat, because they will be able to bring down any retalliation strike. SDI doesn't garantee the world safety from nuclear attacks... it just makes America's nuclear arsenal usable and effective as a threat.

[K e r b e r o s]

Wait. Russia and China would ally with the US againts the rest of the world because Bush says "there are terrorists everywhere lets attack random countries at once?" Are you high on something?

No, but are you?

Remember, you started believing your own "OMFG BUSH WON" hysteria, and you starting posting "OMFG BURN TEH US OMFG". Now, im retalliating.

Its your fault, remember that, and stupidity is infinite, so we could go all day.

[Sprafa]

Similarly? No. Not at all. Course, most of your technologies, you should be thanking Britain and America for.

Plus, you cant handle the F-22 aces. Your just pwned right there.

The Russians have a similar air force, and combined with the European Air force they'd have extreme numerical superiority. Your Air Force still uses mostly F-15s. F-22s would certainly be a big card, but they wouldn't stand a chance agaisnt air defense coordinated with the new radar "cellphone" technology.

[K e r b e r o s]

Ookkkaayyy.. I'm apparently dealing with some crazed lunatic who is still reliving World War II.

We'll resume this discussion when your flashback is over.

Im so glad you've not learned from history. This will make you easier to defeat in Conventional Warfare. (Please remember, you started this.)

I somehow doubt we'll see an invasion of the US. Besides, once SDI is operational, they will be able to simply threaten to nuke the countries posing a threat, because they will be able to bring down any retalliation strike. SDI doesn't garantee the world safety from nuclear attacks... it just makes America's nuclear arsenal usable and effective as a threat.

This just makes us even better...or worse? Help me Europe, I cant decide.

[Spartan]

No, but are you?

Remember, you started believing your own "OMFG BUSH WON" hysteria

I said that it currently seems that Bush has won. Big difference.

and you starting posting "OMFG BURN TEH US OMFG". Now, im retalliating.

Assuming SDI goes active...

Shit, he can't even read. Anyway, my time is up so I have to go.

[Prone]

Russia and China have better relations with the EU now than they ever had with the USA. You can't hold that up kiddo.

seconded.

[K e r b e r o s]

The Russians have a similar air force, and combined with the European Air force they'd have extreme numerical superiority. Your Air Force still uses mostly F-15s.

Actually, reforms in 2001, returned our use to faster aircraft, like the F/A-18 Hornet. Your airforces, mostly relie on old US Equipment sold off to you during the 1980's.

This is not to say, since America developed the first Atomic Weapon, we would'nt be able to develope another weapon, with similiar or more devastating effects. :D

[burnzie]

i love being in insignifigant australia... i swear we are gonna be the last ones left... untill nuclear winter sets in...


***Warning: cliche'd flash post***

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php

[K e r b e r o s]

Assuming SDI goes active...

Shit, he can't even read. Anyway, my time is up so I have to go.

Apparently, you read what I had to say, and felt more like an ass. Goto bed, you need sleep. Besides, if you had'nt started the "OMFG THE US WILL OWNT HE WORLD OH NOES", I would'nt, at all, be replying or even posting this half-arsed bullcrap.

Its just a retort to your own.

seconded.

See, this why I wished you two people, did'nt start this "GRR I HATE TEH US BUSH WON WAAGGHH TIME TO KILL EM".

Because, like I said. I could argue this all day with you. Needless to say, your all too paranoid for your own damn good.

[crabcakes66]

Actually, reforms in 2001, returned our use to faster aircraft, like the F/A-18 Hornet. Your airforces, mostly relie on old US Equipment sold off to you during the 1980's.

This is not to say, since America developed the first Atomic Weapon, we would'nt be able to develope another weapon, with similiar or more devastating effects. :D



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/04/MNGM393GPK1.DTL
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: scary shit isnt it?

[Tropico]

Hehe

You better watch out for indonesia they are smilling down on you

[Sprafa]

Actually, reforms in 2001, returned our use to faster aircraft, like the F/A-18 Hornet. Your airforces, mostly relie on old US Equipment sold off to you during the 1980's.

This is not to say, since America developed the first Atomic Weapon, we would'nt be able to develope another weapon, with similiar or more devastating effects. :D


We're discussing conventional warfare. If anyone drops a nuke it's the Apoc :p

[Prone]

i love being in insignifigant australia... i swear we are gonna be the last ones left... untill nuclear winter sets in...

Like in Nevil Shute's "On the beach"? That would suck :)

[Sprafa]

Besides, the Russians have anti-SDI hypersonic missiles :p

[crabcakes66]

We're discussing conventional warfare. If anyone drops a nuke it's the Apoc :p
Conventional warfare on that kind of WW2 scale just doesnt make sense any more.

Drop a few tactical nukes on your enemies largest and most concentrated unit formations and thats it.

[Tropico]

what about north korea?

[K e r b e r o s]

Besides, the Russians have anti-SDI hypersonic missiles

So, I have a Star Destroyer.

Get out of this bout people, geez. This "OMFG BUSH WILL DECLARE WAR ON US" is getting old. I dont feel the need to invade Europe, or take down Portugal.

I would'nt even feel the need if the next terrorist came out of France or Portugal airports.

I just sincerely would'nt care. Its time to relax, were not going to invade your countries. We have no reason too, and trust me, I would'nt support invading them either.

[burnzie]

Like in Nevil Shute's "On the beach"? That would suck :)

yeah I saw that one... theres 2 of them, havent seen the old one but ive seen the remake with Bryan Brown

its funny you should think that because thats what i was thinking of when i posted...

[Logic]

i love being in insignifigant australia... i swear we are gonna be the last ones left... untill nuclear winter sets in... I don't know... Johnie Howard was very quick to offer our support to the US in Iraq, without a referendum or any kind of public consultation. They bought our support with the free trade agreement. Australia has, politically, been one of the most public supporters of Bush, and as such, to enemies of the US, we would also be enemies. You never know, in such a war we might be occupied for strategic reasons.

[Sprafa]

So, I have a Star Destroyer.

Get out of this bout people, geez. This "OMFG BUSH WILL DECLARE WAR ON US" is getting old. I dont feel the need to invade Europe, or take down Portugal.

I would'nt even feel the need if the next terrorist came out of France or Portugal airports.

I dont sincerely dont care. Its time to relax, were not going to invade your countries. We have no reason too, and trust me, I would'nt support invading them either.


oh , c'mon, I was having fun.... I wasn't serious, I just like to discuss hypotetical wars.

[Prone]

Haven't seen the movies, only read the book in school. That was long ago *starts to dream about the good ol' days* :) The story is really good but the end is soooo sad.

[AudioRage]

So, I have a Star Destroyer.

Get out of this bout people, geez. This "OMFG BUSH WILL DECLARE WAR ON US" is getting old. I dont feel the need to invade Europe, or take down Portugal.

I would'nt even feel the need if the next terrorist came out of France or Portugal airports.

I just sincerely would'nt care. Its time to relax, were not going to invade your countries. We have no reason too, and trust me, I would'nt support invading them either.
Because you're the one with the power, Right?

You are president Bush and you have the power to decide which countries are or are not invaded, Yes?

[burnzie]

I don't know... Johnie Howard was very quick to offer our support to the US in Iraq, without a referendum or any kind of public consultation. They bought our support with the free trade agreement. Australia has, politically, been one of the most public supporters of Bush, and as such, to enemies of the US, we would also be enemies. You never know, in such a war we might be occupied for strategic reasons.


Howard will never be taken seriously tbh...

I voted for Mark "ease the squeze" Laitham

[burnzie]

Haven't seen the movies, only read the book in school. That was long ago *starts to dream about the good ol' days* :) The story is really good but the end is soooo sad.

ahh yes i forgot about the book, and yes the ending is rather sad, i havent read it myself though...

[K e r b e r o s]

Because you're the one with the power, Right?

You are president Bush and you have the power to decide which countries are or are not invaded, Yes?

Im a citizen now, so if we invaded Europe, you think I would'nt protesting...and non-violently?

[Prone]

@Burnzie: Well, you should. It's well worth it.

[Logic]

So, I have a Star Destroyer.

Get out of this bout people, geez. This "OMFG BUSH WILL DECLARE WAR ON US" is getting old. I dont feel the need to invade Europe, or take down Portugal.

I would'nt even feel the need if the next terrorist came out of France or Portugal airports.

I just sincerely would'nt care. Its time to relax, were not going to invade your countries. We have no reason too, and trust me, I would'nt support invading them either. Why do you feel that your personal opinions, what you care about or feel the need to do, has any effect on your country's political actions?

Edit: This thread is moving fast!

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, you should. It's well worth it.

If we invaded Europe, I meant, I would.

Like I said. This is just initial "OMFG IM MAD" hysteria coming out. Kerry is not over, not by a long shot.

[Prone]

No Kerberos, sorry. You posted while I was typing, I edited it. I was talking to Burnzie. :)

[K e r b e r o s]

Why do you feel that your personal opinions, what you care about or feel the need to do, has any effect on your country's political actions?

Thats why its called Protest, and revolution. One our greatest founding fathers, had the opinion: "For every election, America should have a new revolution"

[burnzie]

I dunno, hows the oil in europe? thats probably the real decider for america (bush)...

:hmph:

[Raziaar]

Heh. this is funny and really stupid. You guys are discussing(sprafa i'm talkinga bout mainly here, his panties seem to be in a bunch) allying the rest of the world against the united states in a bitter feud simply because of an election that happens every 4 years in the united states, all because some guy you forsee as an idiot got elected.

That puts you in worse shoes than the united states invading iraq. Taking out a country because someone was elected! lol

Seriously Sprafra, relax dude, you may say you're only joking around, but with the tone of your posts I get a real 'my dad can beat up your dad' vibe from you right now.

[Logic]

Thats why its called Protest, and revolution. One our greatest founding fathers, had the opinion: "For every election, America should have a new revolution" Yes, but you can't say your country won't do something simply because YOU don't care for it. That's total arrogance. Besides, protests are after the fact.

[K e r b e r o s]

Yea, no shit. I was wondering why the forum was turning into this. Yea sure, Bush, but Kerries not over anyway.

...besides, we have no reason to invade Europe., Why, the hell, would we?

<To the person who said it like this

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes, but you can't say your country won't do something simply because YOU don't care for it. That's total arrogance. Besides, protests are after the fact.

Oh BS. I'd care if we invaded Europe. Besides, it takes planning and troop movements to do so.

That gives me time.

[Logic]

Heh. this is funny and really stupid. You guys are discussing(sprafa i'm talkinga bout mainly here, his panties seem to be in a bunch) allying the rest of the world against the united states in a bitter feud simply because of an election that happens every 4 years in the united states, all because some guy you forsee as an idiot got elected.

That puts you in worse shoes than the united states invading iraq. Taking out a country because someone was elected! lol

Seriously Sprafra, relax dude, you may say you're only joking around, but with the tone of your posts I get a real 'my dad can beat up your dad' vibe from you right now. I agree, lets drop this hypothetical war on the US, and have some serious discussion on the topic - what do people think about SDI? A good thing? A bad thing? A good thing in the wrong hands?

[burnzie]

...besides, we have no reason to invade Europe., Why, the hell, would we?


I dunno, hows the oil in europe? thats probably the real decider for america (bush)...

:dozey: (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php)

[Foxtrot]

Back during the cold war, America (under President Reagan) announced a program for strategic missile defence that would allow enemy missiles, air craft, and other airborne threats, to be targeted and eliminated from space, through the use of a large satellite system that would orbit the earth. This project, often called "Star Wars", was known as SDI, or the 'Strategic Defense Initiative". At the time, critics called the project unrealistic, but since Russia and the US were so competitive at the time (this was the cold war after all), Russia announced their own similar project. Ridiculous sums of money were poured into both projects, and in a sense, SDI became an economic weapon, contributing to the Soviet Union's downfall by causing them to spend enormous amounts of money to compete with the US. Once the cold war ended, though, I don't think anyone really believed that either project would ever come to fruition. Big space lasers? Nah, not gonna happen. The project was cancelled in the early 90s, though military research of course never ended. Since then, different presidential administrations have proposed varying different missile defense systems, such as "GPALS", but these were merely proposed, not developed.

Now, though, it looks as if it will not only happen, but that it's just around the corner. George W. Bush is determined to bring the project into fruition, and the system is intended to be deployed, at a cost of up to US$60 billion, by 2005. The project will breach the 1972 ABM treaty with Russia, but Bush has stated that if the Russians won't change their terms, he will go ahead with it anyway. Previous presidents (such as Bush Sr.) have suggested that the project could be a joint venture by the US and Russia, but the current project is being developed solely by the United States. The US has has oposition from many nations regarding the development of SDI, but the project continues.

There is absolutely no intention for the project to be turned over to the United Nations, which I believe it should be, indicating that this project is, just as it was in the cold war, being developed to give the US a nearly unmatchable military component, and consequently, effective control of the planet through military power. Of course, we all know that not even United Nations resistance will stop Bush, who effectively destroyed the UN's power by ignoring them and going to war with Iraq against their decisions. This is not a case of the US trying to keep peace throughout the world, but rather a case of the US trying to gain and maintain control of the world.

During the cold war, neither Russia nor the US fired on each other, because they knew that if one country deployed a nuclear strike, the other would deploy a retaliation strike moments later, and both countries would be devastated. With this system in place, particularly as the technology improves in accuracy and effectiveness, the US will be able to stop foreign nuclear weapons from reaching their country, meaning they will be able to attack without retalliation. Considering Bush's recent actions, and indeed America's past use of large-scale weapons, it seems now that the world may yet again see the use of nuclear \ atomic weapons.

This is happening NOW. This isn't some far off fantasy, or science fiction, or even an unrealistic military objective.. In no time at all, Bush will have a space-deployed weapon system, capable of being pointed at anything, anywhere, on or around planet earth. Bush has demonstrated that he has no hesitation using military power to achieve goals. Though the system is technically 'defensive', the offensive potential of such a weapon system is obvious, and once deployed, it would simply become another part of the US military's arsenal, and another step, if not the defining step, towards a world governed not through peace by the United Nations, but through the threat of destruction, by George W. Bush.

Whether or not you support Bush, and whether or not you are American, this is cause for concern. If anyone has a point of view on this, please share it, and lets have some open minded discussion on the topic.

Wow, please go kill yourself.

[Prone]

That gives me time.

:laugh: That again has me chuckling. Kerberos, I really didn't like you. Until I now started to understand the irony and satire behind your words. Sorry for taking so long.

[Logic]

Wow, please go kill yourself. A valuable point of view, no doubt, I'm glad you shared it with us :cheers:

Care to elaborate on your feelings on the subject?

[Foxtrot]

A valuable point of view, no doubt, I'm glad you shared it with us :cheers:

Care to elaborate on your feelings on the subject?
Anyone this paranoid about national defense does not need to breed anymore.

[burnzie]

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[Logic]

Anyone this paranoid about national defense does not need to breed anymore. So basically what you're saying is... "I don't care about national defense, and anyone who cares more than I do doesn't deserve to live." Great insight there. If you don't think the subject is important enough to discuss, by all means don't discuss it. Just don't come on here, telling people that they shouldn't breed, simply because they give a shit about matters that may, in the near future, prove to be extremely important to all of us.

Edit: and it's not just "national" defense.. you obviously don't realise the impact it has on world politics.

[K e r b e r o s]

That again has me chuckling. Kerberos, I really didn't like you. Until I now started to understand the irony and satire behind your words. Sorry for taking so long.

So, you want war then?

Its your choice, but both have grim consequences.

[UmbrellaMaster]

Very nicely put thread Logic. :thumbs:

Personally it's a sad day for me as an American. I felt this country was a bit more "on the ball" but they proved me wrong yet again.

God bless Americans (we're going to need it in the next 4 years, I guarentee you that), God bless those America plans on invading, and God bless the other countries that have to deal with our government.

[Tr0n]

And god bless me for having to deal with a bunch of political bullshit today.

[DEATH eVADER]

If the system gets launched, I hope that terrorists will do something about it. Seriously. I'd rather see the US get nuked.

If this happens, and for some odd reason Bush declares war against Russia (why 'o' why :eek: ) I just hope that the UK doesn't get stuck in the middle.

Anyway, if anything this remarkable does happen, I would see a new revolution happening in the USA, and I am not just saying farmers with picth-forks. Tanks against Tanks, Aircraft dogfights, Martial Law. The UN would pull out of New York. The super powers of the world would allie.

This would be a good mod concept, i just hope it does not happen in the real world.

[Tr0n]

If this happens, and for some odd reason Bush declares war against Russia (why 'o' why :eek: ) I just hope that the UK doesn't get stuck in the middle.

Anyway, if anything this remarkable does happen, I would see a new revolution happening in the USA, and I am not just saying farmers with picth-forks. Tanks against Tanks, Aircraft dogfights, Martial Law. The UN would pull out of New York. The super powers of the world would allie.

This would be a good mod concept, i just hope it does not happen in the real world.Can you say...Titor? :P

[DEATH eVADER]

Can you say...Titor? :P

Titor :rolleyes:

[Tr0n]

Titor :rolleyes:Smartass... :hmph:

j/k :P

[P-Lo]

China does'nt like you. Russia, they dont like you either. In America, you pushed us to not liking you.

The Bear, the Dragon, and the Eagle.

Dont **** with us.

They don't have to like each other, But if they have the same enemy and are willing to unite only to take down that enemy, then It's possible.

[Lil' Timmy]

this is smelling very similar to a political thread.. i'm keeping my eyes on you all.



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