l33tnet hl2.net servers

[Daegon]

I'm rather dismayed at the fact that for the last two days I have not seen a single person playing on the l33tnet servers. Of course there are always people on the UK b33f servers, but on the other side of the ocean there's noone to play with.
It is very kind of l33tnet to provide us with these servers, but it is a shame they are not being used.

Come on guys! There have to be more US players then just me.

[pixartist]

no, you are the only one! you will be assimilated by europe !!!:E

[Daegon]

OK ladies, if you want to show what you're made of, come play on the L33tnet NY server tonight at 7PM est

ip is 66.199.240.229:27015 for those of you who don't already have it on favorites.

[Daegon]

It's seven o'clock, time for some counter strike!

[tennisboi]

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hl http://

[johnnypoopoopant]

ill p[lay with you daegon :E

[Daegon]

cool poopoo, aim me some time.

[Daegon]

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paron me for asking, but what?

you obviously wanted to play an mp3, and you quoted hl? and the http://

I know! it must be the next test!

[OCybrManO]

I hate to bring up a 10 day old thread but I just want to repeat this point:

You'll find out why people don't play on them within an hour of joining... the server will start to fill up... then, when it nears the max number of players it will start to lag like hell. They set "maxplayers" too high.

[Daegon]

right, but I have yet to see that many players in any of the us servers...

[Rafa 5.0]

i agree, there's never any people playing in the leet(west) servers, so meh!

[OCybrManO]

Before they had passwords... if I joined when there were 0 players it would fill up very quickly, get ultra-laggy, then empty even quicker. It happened on three separate occasions and I haven't gone back since.

[Rafa 5.0]

that's a shame, i never got to play with fellow HL2 members... oh well

[gringo]

The boxes these servers are on have plenty of available resources and more than enough bandwidth to accomodate 20 players. If there is an issue at a particular time, let me know and I'll look into it. This is of course, if hl2.net wishes to continue with the sponsorship and they get unlocked.

[Munro]

Why exactly are the servers locked and when did this happen?

[gringo]

On the 18th. Check your PM's/Email. =)

[Dirty_Harry]

On the 18th. Check your PM's/Email. =)

Maybe you didn't intend it, but it sounds like your servers don't perform well when busy, and now you are holding this website hostage by locking the servers? Maybe your business is not so good for a startup server rental company?

From what I can tell, it's not easy to run a competent game server business that stands the test of time. How many actual separate servers are you currently running as a way to judge your credibility? How busy are they all?

Having Leetnet hosted at such a nasty, foul mouthed website may not be helping your cause any either. Just looked at those phenyl website forums, and would never go back there again. Nasty, mean people.

[gringo]

There are quite a few linux boxes that these servers run on (most stay moderately busy to full, others don't) and I have plenty of linux boxes and game servers to compare this to, including several of the exact same type with just as many or more slots; Most of which will fill up and have the same latency as if there was only 2 people in it. I have also been in IT related fields for over 10 years and you have to realize just because one person says there is lag doesn't mean that the servers or connections can't handle the load. I do not oversubscribe my customers and the machines and connections are fully capable of the various services I put on them.

In addition, not one of my customers has had anything negative to say regarding any of the Leetnet services and all have provided very positive feedback. As a matter of fact, some even advertise for me (on their sites, etc) without me even asking for it to show their appreciation. That's why I find this a bit unusual. However, I would be more than happy to look into the issue while it is happening. If there is a problem, I would fix it very promptly. However, as the logs and stats don't indicate anything unusual, I would have to look at various performance stats in real time.

Also, www.leetnet.com (http://www.leetnet.com) is the url. This site's links reverted back to a friend's clan site for some reason and I hope they can get that fixed soon. The reason it was hosted there initially was only to give them hits as if it weren't for them I probably wouldn't have gotten connected with hl2.net Either way, I do admit that is not a very professional atmosphere, however, it really isn't intended to be.

[Pro[pH]et]

Leetnet is a advertising client at my site. That doesn't mean he is responsible for it's content any more than the advertisers for this site are responsible for its content. Leetnet is not hosted at my site.

As far as the pHenyl web site forums go I do not apologize for them. We run an un-moderated forum on purpose. We don't see a need to police the forums deleting/moderating people's posts. It is a free speech forum. The members can moderate each other as far as we are conserned. Our site isn't for everyone and that is ok.

ps, where is the link to my site around here besides in my sig?

[gringo]

The leetnet sponsor button and the links in the "Game Servers" portion of the site reverted back to your site somehow. Munro is aware and will be changing it soon.

[OCybrManO]

There are quite a few linux boxes that these servers run on (most stay moderately busy to full, others don't) and I have plenty of linux boxes and game servers to compare this to, including several of the exact same type with just as many or more slots; Most of which will fill up and have the same latency as if there was only 2 people in it. I have also been in IT related fields for over 10 years and you have to realize just because one person says there is lag doesn't mean that the servers or connections can't handle the load. I do not oversubscribe my customers and the machines and connections are fully capable of the various services I put on them.

In addition, not one of my customers has had anything negative to say regarding any of the Leetnet services and all have provided very positive feedback. As a matter of fact, some even advertise for me (on their sites, etc) without me even asking for it to show their appreciation. That's why I find this a bit unusual. However, I would be more than happy to look into the issue while it is happening. If there is a problem, I would fix it very promptly. However, as the logs and stats don't indicate anything unusual, I would have to look at various performance stats in real time.I can assure you that everyone else was complaining about the lag each time I was in the NY server while it was full. They always used to quit within 5-10 minutes of the server filling up because it was unplayable. Now, I have been on 40 player servers with good framerates and less lag... so it's not my PC or my connection. I've even had better experiences on UK servers (and one in Korea). All you have mentioned so far is latency. Surely, you must know (being in "IT related fields" for over 10 years) that a low ping is not the only major factor of a good multiplayer gaming experience. In this case, the pings actually didn't spike very much at all (I kept a steady ping of less than 70 throughout almost the whole sequence of events)... but that didn't stop people from literally skipping a meter or two every few seconds, on average (up to almost 6 meters under particularly heavy loads), and moving around as if they had 500+ pings. If I knew what the problem was I would tell you... but all I know is that there was a problem when I still played on the NY server. I mostly quit playing a month or two ago, but I came back on the night of the HL2 release to see if anything changed... and it did the same thing (fill up, lag to hell and back, empty quickly). That's my latest experience in CSS (before the two NY servers were consolidated into one slightly larger server I played almost exclusively on them and never had a single problem). Also, I haven't been in the TX server when it is full so I can't say anything about that one... perhaps I'll try it later.

[Pro[pH]et]

Well, I have a 17 person server through Leetnet and it is full all of the time and rarely lags. Maybe that was an isolated experience.

[gringo]

I can assure you that everyone else was complaining about the lag each time I was in the NY server while it was full. They always used to quit within 5-10 minutes of the server filling up because it was unplayable. Now, I have been on 40 player servers with good framerates and less lag... so it's not my PC or my connection. I've even had better experiences on UK servers (and one in Korea). All you have mentioned so far is latency. Surely, you must know (being in "IT related fields" for over 10 years) that a low ping is not the only major factor of a good multiplayer gaming experience. In this case, the pings actually didn't spike very much at all (I kept a steady ping of less than 70 throughout almost the whole sequence of events)... but that didn't stop people from literally skipping a meter or two every few seconds, on average (up to almost 6 meters under particularly heavy loads), and moving around as if they had 500+ pings. If I knew what the problem was I would tell you... but all I know is that there was a problem when I still played on the NY server. I mostly quit playing a month or two ago, but I came back on the night of the HL2 release to see if anything changed... and it did the same thing (fill up, lag to hell and back, empty quickly). That's my latest experience in CSS (before the two NY servers were consolidated into one slightly larger server I played almost exclusively on them and never had a single problem). Also, I haven't been in the TX server when it is full so I can't say anything about that one... perhaps I'll try it later.

Yes, obviously there is more to 'lag' than latency. CPU load being a big one, out of many. Now that I have a better understanding of what is going on (thanks for the details) I will keep an eye on the server and try to pull load averages and CPU usages for the times when there are several players in there. There are, however, other servers on that box and I haven't had any complaints from them whatsoever, only compliments. So that just about rules out any physical layer or OS issues.

If anyone sees this happening, please use the PM function or one of my IM's that I've made available for this board WHILE it is happening, if possible. Actually, I think I'm going to write a quick script to check load averages every so often and send me the data - just in case in the off chance that the CPU is being overworked at any given time I can make the neccessary changes...

Thanks for the help.

[Daegon]

Why exactly are the servers locked and when did this happen?

quoted for emphasis.

Why are they locked? I guess I didn't get the memo. I'm working on recruiting for the hl2.net cs:s clan: US team, and it would be quite nice if I had access to a local server with our name on it.

[OCybrManO]

Yes, obviously there is more to 'lag' than latency. CPU load being a big one, out of many. Now that I have a better understanding of what is going on (thanks for the details) I will keep an eye on the server and try to pull load averages and CPU usages for the times when there are several players in there. There are, however, other servers on that box and I haven't had any complaints from them whatsoever, only compliments. So that just about rules out any physical layer or OS issues.

If anyone sees this happening, please use the PM function or one of my IM's that I've made available for this board WHILE it is happening, if possible. Actually, I think I'm going to write a quick script to check load averages every so often and send me the data - just in case in the off chance that the CPU is being overworked at any given time I can make the neccessary changes...

Thanks for the help.Well, I'm glad you're looking into it. There's not really much more we could ask for (within reason, of course). :E

[Dirty_Harry]

Well, I'm glad you're looking into it. There's not really much more we could ask for (within reason, of course). :E

Yeah, well i agree that there is definitely something wrong with these servers jerking lag performance even with good ping....probably over CPU used for too many servers from when I tried them in comparing to others.

the Nav bar community link server on this site still send me to that crappy phenyls website that turns me off. Of course
I wouldn't expect you and your advertising mate with the shitty website/forum to say anything bad about them, but that's why I asked about how many customer server accounts you have as a legitimte way to see if you are worth trying. You didn't answer that.

Most game server companies promote their many satisfied account customers and list all the IP's unless this is another small startup which I'm not into being another guinee pig.

You also didnt explain why you are holding HL2.net hostage with the servers locked on the 18th as you said...sounds unprofessional or sumthing...after you got the HL2.net promo you wanted. strange situation. no more free gifts now...lol!

there are a million game server companies...but not many are good and have long track record to bother with.

[Dirty_Harry]

et']Well, I have a 17 person server through Leetnet and it is full all of the time and rarely lags. Maybe that was an isolated experience.

what game & ip? no server lists or ip's are listed at this leetenet site.

[Pro[pH]et]

the Nav bar community link server on this site still send me to that crappy phenyls website that turns me off.

You are correct. This needs to be fixed.

http://www.halflife2.net/index.php?page=multiplayer

I wouldn't expect you and your advertising mate with the shitty website/forum to say anything bad about them,

Look who is being nasty and mean now.

Most game server companies promote their many satisfied account customers and list all the IP's unless this is another small startup which I'm not into being another guinee pig.

I sure don't see anything like that over at b33f.co.uk so I don't think you are corrct here. Not all customers want their ips given out.

You also didnt explain why you are holding HL2.net hostage with the servers locked on the 18th as you said...sounds unprofessional or sumthing...after you got the HL2.net promo you wanted. strange situation. no more free gifts now...lol!

Maybe gringo and monro worked things out. I don't think either one of them are accountable to you or any of the rest of us.

there are a million game server companies...but not many are good and have long track record to bother with.

I get fantastic customer service from gringo. If you don't want to go with his service then that is your choice. No one is forcing you to do anything here.

what game & ip? no server lists or ip's are listed at this leetenet site.

All that information can be found at my 'crappy/shitty website' if you really want it.

http://www.phenylshouse.com/leetnetservers.html

Like I have said before, leetnet is just a banner customer at my site. Gringo has no say at my site and I have no say with his hosting company.

[gringo]

Yeah, well i agree that there is definitely something wrong with these servers jerking lag performance even with good ping....probably over CPU used for too many servers from when I tried them in comparing to others.

the Nav bar community link server on this site still send me to that crappy phenyls website that turns me off. Of course
I wouldn't expect you and your advertising mate with the shitty website/forum to say anything bad about them, but that's why I asked about how many customer server accounts you have as a legitimte way to see if you are worth trying. You didn't answer that.

Most game server companies promote their many satisfied account customers and list all the IP's unless this is another small startup which I'm not into being another guinee pig.

You also didnt explain why you are holding HL2.net hostage with the servers locked on the 18th as you said...sounds unprofessional or sumthing...after you got the HL2.net promo you wanted. strange situation. no more free gifts now...lol!

there are a million game server companies...but not many are good and have long track record to bother with.

I have already explained the situation with as much detail that is needed for a public forum. It sounds to me that you have not read my posts in their entirety or maybe you just didn't comprehend them correctly the first time. There is nothing unprofessional about Leetnet or the decisions that we make, and if there was I doubt hl2.net would keep us as sponsors.

I'm sure Munro and the other hl2.net folks would not appreciate me pointing out every detail as why the servers were locked. THAT would be unprofessional.

There is a partial list of 20+ customer's servers at the link Pro[pH]et gave you. The CPU's are not overworked. With the information you have, you cannot make any intelligent decisions to lead to this and I can assure you I do not oversubscribe my servers.

My entire customer base is extremely happy with their servers. Not only do they get premium servers, they get them at the lowest prices I have seen advertised on the web. I have very little turnover with the servers - none of the people who rent them cancel to go to other providers because they have absolutely no reason to do so.

If you or anyone else is interested in renting a server, I can provide refererences, IP's, and/or give you a test run with the actual server you would be renting prior to payment. Most rental companies are not willing do to this.

[OmegaX]

These game servers are laggy for me. I pick the one in NY and i live in Ohio. but i still get like a 140 ping and i normally get a 70 ping. So thats prolly why no on ever plays on these servers

[Dirty_Harry]

gringo-sorry, I didn't mean to sound so negative...but 2B honest, seeing leetnet servers linked up with that nasty phenils website even still on this website...leaves a bad taste for the quality of your server company...that seemed confirmed with the locking off the very hl2.net site that is promoting your name.

Combined with the bad ping and server performance again today, I'll just look elsewhere.

Cheap price doesn't mean anything if the service isn't good. You seem nice gringo....but why you dragged your new startup company thru the mud at that other phenyl site is a mistake for someone looking at you now...and you are still linked to them...so they are probably tied in somehow which i wouldnt want.

good luck

[Pro[pH]et]

Dirty_Harry, I was just looking at your other posts around these forums.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?p=244962#post244962

I can't believe you called my forums and site shit and mean. You are the mean one around here. You just run around these forums calling people names. I doubt you have the stones to behave like this on my forums. That is why they scare you so much.

It is no loss that you are not going to purchase services from Leetnet. If I were gringo I wouldn't sell you a glass of water if you were on fire.

[Sui]

http://www.rockingvan.com/the6ths-youyouyouyouyou.mp3

wow thats... strangely........... soothing..................
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ZZZZzzzzz.......

*wakes up*

er.. um.... ive played on b33f loads, and i like that!

[Pro[pH]et]

http://www.phenylshouse.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_love.gif

[gringo]

gringo-sorry, I didn't mean to sound so negative...but 2B honest, seeing leetnet servers linked up with that nasty phenils website even still on this website...leaves a bad taste for the quality of your server company...that seemed confirmed with the locking off the very hl2.net site that is promoting your name.

Combined with the bad ping and server performance again today, I'll just look elsewhere.

Cheap price doesn't mean anything if the service isn't good. You seem nice gringo....but why you dragged your new startup company thru the mud at that other phenyl site is a mistake for someone looking at you now...and you are still linked to them...so they are probably tied in somehow which i wouldnt want.

good luck

I hopped in the server yesterday with several people in it (>10) and only a couple slots free on the other servers on the box. My ping was great, the CPU had plenty of room to breath, and performance was optimal. Maybe there is a bad hop between you and the Leetnet server you are talking about, because I surely can't replicate this problem you speak of, and only hear praise from the other customers on this box.

It has already been explained more than once that phenylshouse.com and leetnet.com have nothing to do with each other except for advertisement on phenylshouse.com to leetnet.com. hl2.net only mistakingly has it linked there, which I hope is soon to be fixed as I have asked several times for it.

The locking of the servers shouldn't effect whatever taste you have in your mouth. The only reason customer's servers get locked is for non-payment.

[OCybrManO]

Perhaps something changed since the last time I played on the full server... because I definately wasn't the only one having a problem. Anyway, if it's not happening anymore (which I'll test as soon as I get the chance) I'll be glad to come back and play with familiar people instead of hopping on some random server. :monkee:

[gringo]

Yea, please do. I allocate resources to these servers and I hate seeing them empty. =/

If you do happen to notice anything, let me know. It's not bandwidth or CPU usage issue, but if it happens again maybe we can recommend for hl2.net to request me to reinstall it.