Eminems new anti-Bush video..

[h00dlum]

Even if ou dont like rap or Eminem check it out its a really cool video..

http://www.gnn.tv/content/eminem_mosh.html

[Lil' Timmy]

is this the beginning of titor's war? :O

[azz0r]

The more bothered about it people get, basically he's won.

[Steve]

The more bothered about it people get, basically he's won.
how do you figure? i don't think it's his objective to piss off the american people.

[f|uke]

Heh. The elections are in 5 days. That is what determines who wins.

Good video. Stylistic and rather positive. I somehow doubt they've been playing it on Mtv tho.

[Razor]

So Eminem has had an:
anti establishment song
anti homosexuality song
anti Eminem's entire family song.
anti Bush song
anti Moby song

Infact, is there anyone this guy hasn't pissed off, attempted to humiliate or verbally destroy?

[Steve]

So Eminem has had an:
anti establishment song
anti homosexuality song
anti Eminem's entire family song.
anti Bush song
anti Moby song

Infact, is there anyone this guy hasn't pissed off, attempted to humiliate or verbally destroy?
...it was more of an anti-moby LINE...at most, a stanza...

oh! and black people. he doesn't hate black people

[Razor]

...it was more of an anti-moby LINE...at most, a stanza...


Well...same thing.

[No Limit]

So Eminem has had an:
anti establishment song

example of this?

anti homosexuality song

Again, do you have an example of this? If you call someone antihomesexuality simply because they use the word fag the is something wrong with you.

anti Eminem's entire family song.

He has said a lot of bad things about his mom, I wouldn't call that anti-family. He has a lot of love for his daughter and his brother. Sure, he doesn't like his mom; however, there is a very good reason for that. If your mom was a drug addict that left you on your own and then when you made good money tried to sue you you would be pissed too.

anti Moby song

Moby attacked him first, he simply responded. In fact, this was the case for everyone he has ever attacked.

Infact, is there anyone this guy hasn't pissed off, attempted to humiliate or verbally destroy?
The above list you made is pretty much it, why don't you get informed first?

[Burn]

Pretty good rap, I only really like his rap, got a nice voice. Very cool video. Pitty from the UK so I dont understand quite alot of it. Allthough most of it I understand :)

[Razor]

No Limit, every single one of his family, including his mum and brother have said that everything he says in his songs is utter rubbish and they sued him for liable. I have many gay friends, and being called words like that to them is just as bad as a black guy being called the 'n' word. If you say the 'n' word, you're classified as racist, why is it different if you call someone gay by saying they're a 'fag'.

For an anti-establishment song, you just need to buy any of his albums and listen to what he says.

I don't hate Eminem, i like some of his music, mainly the funny ones and some of the ones he has done with D12, but he does rap songs that are offensive to a lot of people.

[Gunner]

Very nice video. Song isn't the best I've heard from him, but the video is great.

[No Limit]

No Limit, every single one of his family, including his mum and brother have said that everything he says in his songs is utter rubbish and they sued him for liable. I have many gay friends, and being called words like that to them is just as bad as a black guy being called the 'n' word. If you say the 'n' word, you're classified as racist, why is it different if you call someone gay by saying they're a 'fag'.

For an anti-establishment song, you just need to buy any of his albums and listen to what he says.

I don't hate Eminem, i like some of his music, mainly the funny ones and some of the ones he has done with D12, but he does rap songs that are offensive to a lot of people.
If you find his music offensive then, no offense, but you are a pussy. Let me explain. I don't know about you but I hear people using the word fag on a regular basis. I have absolutely no problems with gay people, but if they take someone being called a fag personally they need to grow up. Being white and Polish I have been called many colorful things, all of us have because of our race, personality, or whatever. Gay people are all for equal rights, if you are a gay person that wants these equal rights but you think a boycott should be called every time someone makes fun of someone using a word that is offensive to you, you are a hypocrite. I have never heard of anyone getting upset with a black rapper, comedian, or actor for using the word cracker. I think gay people should have as much rights as we do, but that will never happen if they make a huge controversy when someone says the word fag or calls someone gay.

[KagePrototype]

Guess what?

There's already a thread for this.

In the correct forum as well. :p

/me runs away

[No Limit]

No Limit, every single one of his family, including his mum and brother have said that everything he says in his songs is utter rubbish and they sued him for liable.
His mom is the only one that sued him, his mom might have also sued in his brothers name as the brother has no control over it since he is under 18 and in her custody. I don't think his brother has a problem with Eminem especially since he appeared in his video. His mom is a total bitch and there is lots of proof of this. She has tried to get rich off of his sucess numerous times using dirty tricks and even released a tape complaining about him.

[azz0r]

how do you figure? i don't think it's his objective to piss off the american people.

Oh but it is. He knows the more controversy he makes the better his albums and singles sell.

Its a fact. Look at `Smack my btch` up by the Prodigy as just one example.

[No Limit]

Oh but it is. He knows the more controversy he makes the better his albums and singles sell.

Its a fact. Look at `Smack my btch` up by the Prodigy as just one example.
Smack my bitch up wasn't by Eminem, not sure why you are putting the 2 together.

What kind of controversy??? Can you name one example??? People getting their feelings hurt because Eminem says the f word is not controversy.

[neptuneuk]

lol, people like that are funny

"omg u sedd a norty werd! i is weally offended by dat, i might jus go to my daddy an cry in da corner...:("

[azz0r]

Smack my bitch up wasn't by Eminem, not sure why you are putting the 2 together.

What kind of controversy??? Can you name one example??? People getting their feelings hurt because Eminem says the f word is not controversy.

I was linking controversy to sales, Smack my btch up is a perfect example.

Eminem has benefited greatly from it, from mothers, homosexuals and churchs condeming it - it has all been great press and anything out of line (his anti-homosexual sentiment in a few songs, the insults to his mother and father) has insured great sales.

It seems clear your an eminem fanboy, I could go do your research on Google to prove my point, but honestly its well documented enough.

[No Limit]

I'm an emeinem fan boy? Well yes, but in the real world it's called an Eminem fan.

Why are the things you mention controversial? Because these groups bitching and whining made it controversial, Eminem had nothing to do with it.

What I love about any rap is that they don't talk in a way that is 'safe', they talk like most of us talk. Are you honestly going to tell me that you never said the word fag, bitch, or ****?


his anti-homosexual sentiment in a few songs

Again you don't have any examples of this, you are just repeating what these stupid groups are saying.

the insults to his mother and father

I explained why he is pissed at his mother earlier. His father left him and his mother in the cold and never spoke to him again. Then once Eminem got famous and rich he tried to come back in his life out of nowhere, you are telling me Eminem shouldn't be pissed off and disgusted by this?

could go do your research on Google to prove my point, but honestly its well documented enough

I would love to see how this is documented with actual facts.

[KagePrototype]

If you don't think eminem is controversial....you must have been living under a rock for six years. He might not have the same effect today (or to you personally), but back when Slim Shady LP was released, he was horrendously controversial. What did you think the Marshall Mathers LP was about? It was a huge "**** you" to the people who attacked Eminem because of his lyrics. Just listen to "The Way I Am", "I'm Back", "Marshall Mathers", "Criminal", "Remember Me", "Who Knew" etc. Remember Columbine? They blamed artists like Marilyn Manson and Eminem for it.

[Yakuza]

His mom is the only one that sued him, his mom might have also sued in his brothers name as the brother has no control over it since he is under 18 and in her custody. I don't think his brother has a problem with Eminem especially since he appeared in his video. His mom is a total bitch and there is lots of proof of this. She has tried to get rich off of his sucess numerous times using dirty tricks and even released a tape complaining about him.

Whatever man, the point is the dude has no honor.

I love how he says he loves his dughter by writting music on how he would beat up her mom.

[No Limit]

Whatever man, the point is the dude has no honor.

I love how he says he loves his dughter by writting music on how he would beat up her mom.
You are completely dodging my point. If your mom was a drug addict who left you on your own and then tried to make money off your fame wouldn't you be pissed? What the hell does that have to do with honor??? How can you honor someone that treated you like shit?

[No Limit]

If you don't think eminem is controversial....you must have been living under a rock for six years. He might not have the same effect today (or to you personally), but back when Slim Shady LP was released, he was horrendously controversial. What did you think the Marshall Mathers LP was about? It was a huge "**** you" to the people who attacked Eminem because of his lyrics. Just listen to "The Way I Am", "I'm Back", "Marshall Mathers", "Criminal", "Remember Me", "Who Knew" etc. Remember Columbine? They blamed artists like Marilyn Manson and Eminem for it.
Again, why was it controversial? He said nothing new, rappers have been saying what he has said since begining of rap. The only reason these stupid groups jumped all over him was because he was white, that is a fact. Go to a lyric site, go in the rap category, and type in fag. How many results do you get? Why weren't these groups attacking those rappers?

[KagePrototype]

Again, why was it controversial? He said nothing new, rappers have been saying what he has said since begining of rap. The only reason these stupid groups jumped all over him was because he was white, that is a fact. Go to a lyric site, go in the rap category, and type in fag. How many results do you get? Why weren't these groups attacking those rappers?

I'm not here to explain why they jumped on him like they did...I'm here to say that they did it. If you want to know reasons, ask them personally, because how am I supposed to know? I didn't even claim to know why they chose him over other rap artists. But to say that Eminem wasn't controversial is to show that you weren't around when he first showed up with the Slim Shady LP. The guy feeds on this controversy, I've seen him say it on MTV himself. It gives him stuff to write about. The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show were fueled by this stuff.

[No Limit]

I'm not here to explain why they jumped on him like they did...I'm here to say that they did it. If you want to know reasons, ask them personally. But to say that Eminem wasn't controversial is to show that you weren't around when he first showed up with the Slim Shady LP.
I was around a lot earlier than that, I've been listening to Eminem for a very long time.

That is exactly my point, you don't have a reason for why they jumped on him the way they did. Sure, by defenition it was controversy. The election is by defention also controversy, what's your point? However, you have to agree it was controversy over nothing, they simply got pissed because a white rapper was saying these things.

[KagePrototype]

I was around a lot earlier than that, I've been listening to Eminem for a very long time.

That is exactly my point, you don't have a reason for why they jumped on him the way they did. Sure, by defenition it was controversy. The election is by defention also controversy, what's your point? However, you have to agree it was controversy over nothing, they simply got pissed because a white rapper was saying these things.

Yeah, I know it was controversy over nothing, I'm not arguing that. :) I'm just saying that Eminem WAS controversial, and a helluva lot of people had a large problem with him. If you want to know why he was singled out, don't ask me. :)

[othello]

it's good to see that eminem is influencing his 12-16 yr old fan banse to vote... oh wait. hmmm. whats worse is that some have called this video 'powerful' and/or 'educational'... how sad. but this video is about the power of your vote, right? pffft. what were those lyrics again... oh yeah, '**** bush, no moore blood for oil, wah wah wah'. give me a break. why dont we 'kill fags and rape sluts' while were at it too, since we're going off eminem lyrics.

if you find his music offensive, then you are a pussy.

hahahaha what a douche bag. just go back to your 40 player source server and leave the grown up issues to the grown ups. i love how you say you are 'all for gays', yet you are here defending an avid anti-homosexual lyricist. then you claim that the 'gays' make too much of a big deal over the word 'fag'... well, according to your inane logic, black people just need to get over being called a 'n1gg3r'.

[No Limit]

it's good to see that eminem is influencing his 12-16 yr old fan banse to vote... oh wait. hmmm. whats worse is that some have called this video 'powerful' and/or 'educational'... how sad. but this video is about the power of your vote, right? pffft. what were those lyrics again... oh yeah, '**** bush, no moore blood for oil, wah wah wah'. give me a break. why dont we 'kill fags and rape sluts' while were at it too, since we're going off eminem lyrics.



hahahaha what a douche bag. just go back to your 40 player source server and leave the grown up issues to the grown ups. i love how you say you are 'all for gays', yet you are here defending an avid anti-homosexual lyricist. then you claim that the 'gays' make too much of a big deal over the word 'fag'... well, according to your inane logic, black people just need to get over being called a 'n1gg3r'.
Wow, what an idiot :upstare:.

First off, you took my quote completely out of context, good for you :thumbs:.

Then you repeat the same stupid idiotic shit that I already said wasn't true. another :thumbs: up for you.

Now let me explain how else your post is total bullshit.

The song was clearly anti-Bush, I have no clue where you got the idea that it should only be about your power to vote.


why dont we 'kill fags and rape sluts' while were at it too, since we're going off eminem lyrics.

Again you are an idiot, show me one example.


hahahaha what a douche bag. just go back to your 40 player source server and leave the grown up issues to the grown ups

Judging by your use of bad spelling and bad grammar I can definitely see how you are a 'grown up'.

You have no idea who you are trying to intimidate here so give up now because you will not win this :cheers:.

[No Limit]

Yeah, I know it was controversy over nothing, I'm not arguing that. :) I'm just saying that Eminem WAS controversial, and a helluva lot of people had a large problem with him. If you want to know why he was singled out, don't ask me. :)
Sorry, I misunderstood what I said. I am on the defensive here because of idiots like othello.

[Yakuza]

You are completely dodging my point. If your mom was a drug addict who left you on your own and then tried to make money off your fame wouldn't you be pissed? What the hell does that have to do with honor??? How can you honor someone that treated you like shit?

My emotional feelings do not dictate how I react to the world. I dont flip off every single guy who cuts me off. I dont beat the hell out of my wife cause she picks a fight. All I am saying is that we shouldn't let others dictate the integrity of our personel response. Especialy in regards to his daughters mom. I mean his daughter loves her mom, and probably cause her mommy. Yet how does he honor his daughters feeling towards her mother? he calls her a b*tch and says verbaly abusive remarks.

My mom was a drug addict, but I dont Publicaly degrade her because of her wrong duings.

Its not that his mom deserves respect but as a man he should have the integrity to keep from publicaly humiliating them.

He acts like a little kid with a chip on his shoulder. I hate this, I hate that. Come on there are a million people out there who have lives 10x worse than this kid and yet they have Integrity and can live life honorably.

[No Limit]

My emotional feelings do not dictate how I react to the world. I dont flip off every single guy who cuts me off. I dont beat the hell out of my wife cause she picks a fight. All I am saying is that we shouldn't let others dictate the integrity of our personel response. Especialy in regards to his daughters mom. I mean his daughter loves her mom, and probably cause her mommy. Yet how does he honor his daughters feeling towards her mother? he calls her a b*tch and says verbaly abusive remarks.

My mom was a drug addict, but I dont Publicaly degrade her because of her wrong duings.

Its not that his mom deserves respect but as a man he should have the integrity to keep from publicaly humiliating them.

He acts like a little kid with a chip on his shoulder. I hate this, I hate that. Come on there are a million people out there who have lives 10x worse than this kid and yet they have Integrity and can live life honorably.
His daughter's mom is such a great mom that she doesn't even have custody of the daughter because of a criminal history and a serious drug problem.

If you have the decency to not degrade someone that degraded you then more power to you, not all people are the same. I have dealt with a lot of people that went through a terrible childhood and really bad teenage years, those people aren't going to be as forgiving as you and I.

His raps are rarely I hate this and I hate that. When is talking about hard times he is usually rapping about being an extremely poor white kid living in Detroit, something he went through. I can name many other songs in other genres that talk about how badly their life sucks a lot more. Most of the new punk/pop music is that way.

[No Limit]

Sorry, I misunderstood what I said. I am on the defensive here because of idiots like othello.
I need to get some rest. Since I can't edit it I will clarify:

Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. I am on the defensive here because of idiots like othello.

[azz0r]

I cant believe someones defending Eminem and claiming his music isnt contreversal.

OMG THE SKY IS PINK!!!!!!!!

[No Limit]

I cant believe someones defending Eminem and claiming his music isnt contreversal.

OMG THE SKY IS PINK!!!!!!!!
If you have nothing to add why do you even post? I was saying that the controversy was over nothing and I explained that in a later post.

[othello]

Wow, what an idiot :upstare:.

First off, you took my quote completely out of context, good for you :thumbs:.

no i didnt. i quoted the first sentence of your post (oh sorry, left out the 'no offense' disclaimer), and then elaborated on your 'explanation' of how gays make too big of a deal over the use of the word 'fag'.

Then you repeat the same stupid idiotic shit that I already said wasn't true. another :thumbs: up for you.

oh sorry, because you said it wasn't true, i will hang my head in shame, fountain of all knowledge.

Now let me explain how else your post is total bullshit.

judging from the content of your posts thus far, this should be quite laughable, at best.

The song was clearly anti-Bush, I have no clue where you got the idea that it should only be about your power to vote.

i never said i got that idea from you, but many other people who have seen this video have said things right along those lines. the first part of my post was directed to people 'in general', the second part was just for you.

Again you are an idiot, show me one example.

uhh... what you quoted is one example smartass. do you even listen to eminem songs?

'97 Bonnie & Clyde
Where's momma?/ She's taking a little nap in the trunk/Oh, that smell?/Daddy must've run over a skunk.

Amityville
My little sister’s birthday/She’ll remember me/For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity.

Kill You
Pretty much the entire song.

Who Knew
My life's like kinda what my wife's like (what?)/
****ed up after I beat her ****in ass every night, Ike

Kim
Pretty much the entire song.

Remember Me?
My baby's mom,/ bitch made me an angry blonde/
So I made me a song,/ killed her and put Hailie on.

Marshal Mathers
You might see me walkin a dead rottweiler dog
with it's head chopped off in the park with a spiked collar
hollerin at him cause the son of a bitch won't quit barkin'.

Plus I was put here to put fear in ******s who spray Faygo Root Beer and call themselves "Clowns" cause they look queer ******2Dope and Silent Gay

Bad Influence
Shit, why not, blow your brain out,/ I'm blowin mine out/
**** it, you only live once, you might as well die now!

and the list goes on and on with the number of anti-homosexual, pro-violence, vulgar-ridden lines of lyrics rampant throughout the majority of eminem's songs. but why should i waste my time quoting all these songs? you have your head so far up M's ass, surely you've listened to a few of his songs as well, right?

Judging by your use of bad spelling and bad grammar I can definitely see how you are a 'grown up'.

hmm... using your own words, 'again, you are an idiot, show me one example'. a typo is a typo, but i rarely misspell. grammar? well considering this is an online forum, i dont really bother with capitalization or proper punctuation. if that ruffles your ignorant little feathers, i do apologize.

You have no idea who you are trying to intimidate here so give up now because you will not win this :cheers:.

im not trying to intimidate anyone, just pointing out an obvious lack of competent reasoning. so yeah, :cheers:

[Yakuza]

His daughter's mom is such a great mom that she doesn't even have custody of the daughter because of a criminal history and a serious drug problem.

If you have the decency to not degrade someone that degraded you then more power to you, not all people are the same. I have dealt with a lot of people that went through a terrible childhood and really bad teenage years, those people aren't going to be as forgiving as you and I.

His raps are rarely I hate this and I hate that. When is talking about hard times he is usually rapping about being an extremely poor white kid living in Detroit, something he went through. I can name many other songs in other genres that talk about how badly their life sucks a lot more. Most of the new punk/pop music is that way.


Look, i am not arguing the fact that some things are messed up. Suffering is something we all go through. And yes we have all been hurt by those we love.

My point is that Honor or integirty has nothing to do with how some one treats us rather how we choose to repsond to it. He can keep makin all this money on experssing his feelings and talking about how all these people wronged him, but at the end of the day is he a Better man? is he a Better Father?

I guess what we need to do is find out your definition of honor.

[Mechagodzilla]

Well, it's a way better song than most anything he's done before.

It might be a bit short-lived though, since in 5 days, the entire song might be validated.
Sorta like how Will Smith is partying like it's 1990..hold up, it is!

[Tinneth]

VERY powerful song.

[Ecthe|ioN]

My ears don't like Eminem ..

[No Limit]

I'm loving this.


i never said i got that idea from you, but many other people who have seen this video have said things right along those lines. the first part of my post was directed to people 'in general', the second part was just for you.

Just because those people don't know how to watch a video you are blaming Eminem? I simply don't get how anyone can get that idea.

'97 Bonnie & Clyde and Kim were 2 songs about killing his daughter's mom, yes. This is more of a show than anything. I don't see you getting mad over movies that show mothers being killed over and over. On that album he also explains how most of what he says in these types of songs is music, not any way real life.


My little sister’s birthday/She’ll remember me/For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity.

Eminem didn't say this. Show's me how much you really know about his music, this was bizzare saying it, maybe the lyric site you were looking at didn't point that out.

My life's like kinda what my wife's like (what?)/
****ed up after I beat her ****in ass every night, Ike

Shortly after that in that song he pretty much says "get a sense of humor" this is just music.

My baby's mom,/ bitch made me an angry blonde/
So I made me a song,/ killed her and put Hailie on.

he was talking about the song '97 Bonnie & Clyde.

You might see me walkin a dead rottweiler dog
with it's head chopped off in the park with a spiked collar
hollerin at him cause the son of a bitch won't quit barkin'.

umm...ok.

Plus I was put here to put fear in ******s who spray Faygo Root Beer and call themselves "Clowns" cause they look queer ******2Dope and Silent Gay

He was talking about the group ICP, not what you are trying to imply.

Every quote you gave me was violent, yes. But as I said this is nothing new in rap music and is no different than a violent movie, why aren't you upset about those?

Besides, I never said his lyrics weren't violent. Your main argument is that he is an anti-homosexual musician, you failed to show me one single quote of where this was the case. Out of all those I didn't see hiw say anything remotely close to that. I did see him use the word fag, hardly what you try to make it out to be.

a typo is a typo, but i rarely misspell. grammar? well considering this is an online forum, i dont really bother with capitalization or proper punctuation. if that ruffles your ignorant little feathers, i do apologize.

If you don't have the time to press shift after every '.' then you have absolutely no right to accuse someone of being immature. My arguments in this thread were all valid but you came in without making any real point, calling me a douche bag, misquoting me (you purposely took the part out, it was in between what you posted), saying I was childish, and then you expect me to treat you with respect.

[azz0r]

http://www.eminemsucks.4t.com/

[No Limit]

http://www.eminemsucks.4t.com/
Wow, a great way to prove someone sucks is to say:


The Worst Parts of Eminem
Like the no talent and the homosexuality wasn't bad enough, he also is a rapper. Rap sux, I can't get over it. Rappers do not know how to speak, I believe they make up all those words just so they can rhyme easier. I would like to see them pick up an instrument and give it a try, that would be hilarious.
Remember kids; You can't spell CRAP without RAP.


:laugh: :laugh:

[No Limit]

Look, i am not arguing the fact that some things are messed up. Suffering is something we all go through. And yes we have all been hurt by those we love.

My point is that Honor or integirty has nothing to do with how some one treats us rather how we choose to repsond to it. He can keep makin all this money on experssing his feelings and talking about how all these people wronged him, but at the end of the day is he a Better man? is he a Better Father?

I guess what we need to do is find out your definition of honor.
I understand your point and you have a right to feel Eminem isn't honorable because of how you view honor.

However, you have to understand the mindset someone is in when most of their life has been crap and they were abused by the ones they loved. People like this are normally cold and won't forgive someone for anything. Eventually they will probably change but that takes a lot of time, it won't happen over night. If you listen to Eminem's music, and I mean actually listen, you will see how he is growing away from this.

[neptuneuk]

just let the guy rap, if you dont like his lyrics ... THEN DONT LISTEN TO HIM !!!!! duh.... :hmph:

i mean cmon, i dont get these people. if you dont like someones music dont listen to 'em...

(mentioning no names) people like:

(spoken in annoying sarcastic mimicing voice- these people REALLY do talk like that :D):
"hey i dont like so and so(this case eminem) so im gunna waste my time argueing continuusly and repetitively to people who do like so and so because my brain hurts and i have no: life, grammatical judgement, intelligence, girfriend, hobby....
i mean i COULD just not listen to them because i dont agree with them... but NO thats far too intelligent for me.... i dont follow common sense because i am a jerk...."

g'day to y'all

[fizzlephox]

It's funny when people argue so vehemently on the internet.

[neptuneuk]

:cheers:

[Burn]

..........Eminem likes flowers and kittens. I cant beileve people are getting into flame war over his lyrics.

[azz0r]

just let the guy rap, if you dont like his lyrics ... THEN DONT LISTEN TO HIM !!!!! duh.... :hmph:

i mean cmon, i dont get these people. if you dont like someones music dont listen to 'em...


Its hard when his rubbish is on the radio all the time. Its hard when his new releases are spammed over every forum. Its hard when every bit of contreversy is put on the news.

Eugh.

[othello]

Just because those people don't know how to watch a video you are blaming Eminem? I simply don't get how anyone can get that idea.

me either, i dont recall blaming eminem.

Eminem didn't say this. Show's me how much you really know about his music, this was bizzare saying it, maybe the lyric site you were looking at didn't point that out.

i didn't say eminem said this. it was from a guest rapper on the song. but it is on eminem's cd, and it is a song eminem produced and rapped in.

Shortly after that in that song he pretty much says "get a sense of humor" this is just music.

because everything you say is harmless if you put up a little 'get a sense of humor' disclaimer. its all too clear now.

he was talking about the song '97 Bonnie & Clyde.

and? he still said that he killed his ex-wife.

umm...ok.

yeah this doesnt appear to be the only thing lost on you.

He was talking about the group ICP, not what you are trying to imply.

what am i trying to imply? that eminem is a violent, prejudiced, asshole? im pretty sure my quote proves exactly that. whether he was talking about ICP or whoever, those lyrics are absurd.

Every quote you gave me was violent, yes. But as I said this is nothing new in rap music and is no different than a violent movie, why aren't you upset about those?

why are you trying to draw some sort of correlation to movies? that is hardly a comparable media outlet. and i am upset about rap music in general, it has strayed far from the talented 'hip-hop' scene that it once was, into a mindlessly monotonous montage of '**** bitches, do drugs, kill your enemies, im from the hood, these are my niggas keeping it real, suck my dick, drink some henessy, dirka dirka dirka muhammad jihad'. its pathetic.

Besides, I never said his lyrics weren't violent. Your main argument is that he is an anti-homosexual musician, you failed to show me one single quote of where this was the case.

lack of evidence, and lack of comprehension are 2 different things.

Out of all those I didn't see hiw say anything remotely close to that. I did see him use the word fag, hardly what you try to make it out to be.

you're right, light-hearted use of the word fag, among other, is totally acceptable from a mainstream rapper.

If you don't have the time to press shift after every '.' then you have absolutely no right to accuse someone of being immature.

what a devastating analogy... one of your best. i see now why you fail at all attempts of intelligent comprehension.

My arguments in this thread were all valid

where?

but you came in without making any real point, calling me a douche bag, misquoting me (you purposely took the part out, it was in between what you posted), saying I was childish, and then you expect me to treat you with respect.

i said in my post that i left out your petty little 'no offense' disclaimer. regardless, what you said was enough to classify you as a 'douche bag' and 'childish'. where did i ask for your respect?

[rocklegendfm99]

rap sucks and all you rappers suck too

I hate you all

[fizzlephox]

Rap it to the max! Cha chingy chingy!

[<RJMC>]

Eminen is my favorite raper

[mchammer75040]

LMMFAO dide you guys see the lil eminem thing that pops up as a ad on this thread in the first page?? heres the site, the ad describes 'is eminem gay? tell us your opinion' or something :P:
http://my-opinon-counts.org/ASKmhr

[Wildboyz]

"And all of this controversy circles me
and it seems like the media immediately
points a finger at me (finger at me)..
So I point one back at 'em, but not the index or pinkie
or the ring or the thumb, it's the one you put up
when you don't give a ****, when you won't just put up
with the bullshit they pull, cause they full of shit too
When a dude's gettin bullied and shoots up his school
and they blame it on Marilyn (on Marilyn).. and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at..."

Eminem - The Way I Am

In the song ( and in general ) it isn't necessarily his fault, there are other factors to be considered, don't you think?
When he attacks someone in one of his songs, it is only because he attacked him first ( e.g Rap magazine The-Source )
Owner of the source ray benzino, has attacked Eminem in his magazine, he only attacked him back as he should have.

[No Limit]

othello, you disappoint me.

I don't know how I possibly got the idea you though this video was about the power to vote, maybe the following quote from you had something to do with it:

but this video is about the power of your vote, right? pffft.



because everything you say is harmless if you put up a little 'get a sense of humor' disclaimer. its all too clear now.

It should be extremely clear. His CD is entertainment for adults. He has made this clear on almost every violent song he has done. That's the reason these types of CDs have parental advisory stickers on them.


didn't say eminem said this. it was from a guest rapper on the song. but it is on eminem's cd, and it is a song eminem produced and rapped in.

If eminem didn't say it then I don't know why you would bring it up. Sure, it's on his cd. What do you want him to do? Censor guests on his record?


and? he still said that he killed his ex-wife.

What's funny is that ever since he said it over 6 years ago his wife still appears to be alive. What's even more funny is the fact that eminem talked her out of commiting suicide, so yes, I'm sure he really wants to kill her.

what am i trying to imply? that eminem is a violent, prejudiced, asshole? im pretty sure my quote proves exactly that. whether he was talking about ICP or whoever, those lyrics are absurd.

No, let me help you with what you were trying to imply. Out of all the lyric sites you went to that was the best example of his anti-homosexuality, something you said most of his songs were about. Like I said before, you still fail to show how he is anti-homosexual and if you don't provide me with a quote after this post I am done debating this with you as that will show me you are clearly talking out of your ass. No matter what you think to a sane person calling someone a fag as an insult is not anti-homosexual, if this was the case we would all be anti-gays as I'm sure you used that word before just like everyone else here.

why are you trying to draw some sort of correlation to movies? that is hardly a comparable media outlet. and i am upset about rap music in general, it has strayed far from the talented 'hip-hop' scene that it once was, into a mindlessly monotonous montage of '**** bitches, do drugs, kill your enemies, im from the hood, these are my niggas keeping it real, suck my dick, drink some henessy, dirka dirka dirka muhammad jihad'. its pathetic.

There is a huge comparison with movies? What's worse, hearing "I will shoot you in the head" or actually seeing someone get their brains blown out followed by a lot of colorful words. If you do not see the connection all hope is lost on you. Maybe you heard the phrase "A picture speaks 1000 words"?

I also love people that say rap is filled with no talented artistis that all they do is rap about drugs and sex. Yes, this is the case for some rappers but this happens in every other type of music, even the one you listen to. If you say these people have no talent I would love to see you put together a verse and the produce a quality beat to go along with that. If you can't do that you are an asshole as you have no right to question these peoples talent. I'll be waiting for a beat sample from you.

Since I know you won't provide a quote from Eminem that shows he is anti-gay I will give you my final word. If you don't like Eminem or rap overall that's fine, keep it to yourself. You have absolutely no right to say these people are stupid and have no talent. Rappers do a lot more production on their songs than almost any other musician out there, no matter what you think of rap music you HAVE to respect that. You say Eminem is an idiot, yet he has created a multi-million dollar record company that continues to grow. Along with that he has proved himself to be a good actor in the movie 8 mile.

Sure, his lyrics are violent; however, so is almost everything you see on TV. What's worse is that on TV any kid can see this violence, to buy a violent CD you need to be 18 or over. How come I don't see you bitching about violent movies? You say rap has no talent anymore, care to name the last rapper you thought had talent?

[othello]

othello, you disappoint me.

I don't know how I possibly got the idea you though this video was about the power to vote, maybe the following quote from you had something to do with it:

i dont know how you did either, as i explained, it was in reference to comments that some people have made about this video. that post you took that quote from had 2 parts, as i have already said, the top was directed to everyone 'in general', the second part was made special just for you.

It should be extremely clear. His CD is entertainment for adults. He has made this clear on almost every violent song he has done. That's the reason these types of CDs have parental advisory stickers on them.

yeah he has made it abundantly clear that this is all an act, entertainment for the grow-ups (like yourself :thumbs:). every song he's made that is even the slightest bit controversial he says 'hey hey guys, this is all for fun and to make shitloads of money because posers across america will buy into my bullshit, so dont get to riled over my lyrics, ok?'. i must've skipped that part in the songs, my bad. those parental advisory labels are infallible as well, no one under 18 has ever listened to eminem, right? well... except you. half-life is a 16+ rated game, why are you playing it? its 'entertainment for grownups'. your defense of eminem gets weaker with every post you make.

If eminem didn't say it then I don't know why you would bring it up. Sure, it's on his cd. What do you want him to do? Censor guests on his record?

uhh... duh. :rolling: finally something you comprehend.

What's funny is that ever since he said it over 6 years ago his wife still appears to be alive. What's even more funny is the fact that eminem talked her out of commiting suicide, so yes, I'm sure he really wants to kill her.

yes that is very funny. if i went into a police station, and publicly announced that i had killed my wife (like the song suggested), or that i plan to... im sure everyone would laugh it off, especially if i told them to 'get a sense of humor'. he also claims to rape his own mother, im sure that should be casually dismissed as part of eminem's lyrical and comical brilliance as well. :|

No, let me help you with what you were trying to imply. Out of all the lyric sites you went to that was the best example of his anti-homosexuality, something you said most of his songs were about. Like I said before, you still fail to show how he is anti-homosexual and if you don't provide me with a quote after this post I am done debating this with you as that will show me you are clearly talking out of your ass. No matter what you think to a sane person calling someone a fag as an insult is not anti-homosexual, if this was the case we would all be anti-gays as I'm sure you used that word before just like everyone else here.

sure i have... does that make it right? no. it doesnt matter if YOU find it offensive or not, homosexuals find it offensive. following your incompetent logic once more, to a sane person, calling someone a n1gg3r as an insult is not anti-black, if this was the case, blah blah blah. the fact that these obscenities are spout out in abundance from a public figure, who apparently has a strong influence on the weaker-minded, is ridiculous and irresponsible.

There is a huge comparison with movies? What's worse, hearing "I will shoot you in the head" or actually seeing someone get their brains blown out followed by a lot of colorful words. If you do not see the connection all hope is lost on you. Maybe you heard the phrase "A picture speaks 1000 words"?

lmao... i dont even think this merits a legitimate response. a movie is clearly a movie. as in, actors... acting out parts. as in fake. as in not real. does this need to be spelled out any further? when a musician, in a song, says he did/has done something, its usually assumed to be true. for instance, usher's single "confessions" talks about having a baby with his mistress or whatever. everyone thought it was real, until he publicly denied it. when an actor kills a person on screen in a movie, do you assume that he also kills people in real life? there is a far greater disconnect here than you cant apparently substantiate.

I also love people that say rap is filled with no talented artistis that all they do is rap about drugs and sex. Yes, this is the case for some rappers but this happens in every other type of music, even the one you listen to.

name one.

If you say these people have no talent I would love to see you put together a verse and the produce a quality beat to go along with that. If you can't do that you are an asshole as you have no right to question these peoples talent. I'll be waiting for a beat sample from you.

i have every right to question their talent. they release their shit to the public. i am the public. i grade their talent and performance. i am what makes them money, or makes them broke. so yes, i have absolutely every right to call whomever i wish a no-talent assclown.

Since I know you won't provide a quote from Eminem that shows he is anti-gay I will give you my final word. If you don't like Eminem or rap overall that's fine, keep it to yourself.

i know the majority of the marshal mathers lp by heart. you really just have no idea what you're talking about, do you? eminem has some good beats, and hes got a unique style in the way he raps, but its still rapping. talking... to a beat. la-di-frickin-da. rap sucks, no doubt about it, but there are rare exceptions.

You have absolutely no right to say these people are stupid and have no talent.

as i just explained, yes i do.

Rappers do a lot more production on their songs than almost any other musician out there, no matter what you think of rap music you HAVE to respect that. You say Eminem is an idiot, yet he has created a multi-million dollar record company that continues to grow. Along with that he has proved himself to be a good actor in the movie 8 mile.

dude... if T.I. can make money off a shitty ass song like 'rubberband man, wild as the taliban', do you really think its an amazing accomplishment to get the masses to buy your records? wake up. there are way too many fools like you who love rap, of couse the market is there. if i wasn't white, i could do it myself. that's got to be the only reason i respect eminem, to an extent. he's got more 'talent' than the majority of rappers out there, and he's a white boy. so ya, 'props' to him. he was decent in 8 mile, so 'props to the double izzex' to him.

Sure, his lyrics are violent; however, so is almost everything you see on TV. What's worse is that on TV any kid can see this violence, to buy a violent CD you need to be 18 or over. How come I don't see you bitching about violent movies? You say rap has no talent anymore, care to name the last rapper you thought had talent?

hmm... good question. jurassic 5. sugarhill gang. a tribe called quest. outkast. there's a guy now, named 'twistah' or something like that, he did the 'slow jamz' song or whatever. he's a really fast rapper, so thats pretty cool. the only purpose rap serves now, is that fine ass chicks will strip and dance to it... other than that... :bounce:

[No Limit]

othello, here is your problem, you don't like certain types of music so you think everyone should feel the same way as you do. I'm wondering, what type of music do you like? Whatever you like I could make the same stupid claims you did.


yeah he has made it abundantly clear that this is all an act, entertainment for the grow-ups (like yourself :thumbs. every song he's made that is even the slightest bit controversial he says 'hey hey guys, this is all for fun and to make shitloads of money because posers across america will buy into my bullshit, so dont get to riled over my lyrics, ok?'. i must've skipped that part in the songs, my bad. those parental advisory labels are infallible as well, no one under 18 has ever listened to eminem, right? well... except you. half-life is a 16+ rated game, why are you playing it? its 'entertainment for grownups'. your defense of eminem gets weaker with every post you make.

Do you actually know how old I am? I really don't know where you are going with the whole you are a little kid theme but it won't get you anywhere. Who's fault is it that kids listen to Eminem's CDs? Eminem's? No, it's the parents fault and if you can't see that you have a problem. Sure, a kid will get a hold of a CD sometimes behind the parents back. Do we have to ban that CD because of that? If we do then we have to ban every movie that is rated R and every game that is rated M (including HL2).

sure i have... does that make it right? no. it doesnt matter if YOU find it offensive or not, homosexuals find it offensive. following your incompetent logic once more, to a sane person, calling someone a n1gg3r as an insult is not anti-black, if this was the case, blah blah blah. the fact that these obscenities are spout out in abundance from a public figure, who apparently has a strong influence on the weaker-minded, is ridiculous and irresponsible.

I'm glad you speak on behalf of all homosexuals. Should we start a boycot for any record that used the word stupid because some stupid people might have a problem with it? I already explained my logic as to why they shouldn't be offended earlier in this thread, please reread it as I won't repost it here.

lmao... i dont even think this merits a legitimate response. a movie is clearly a movie. as in, actors... acting out parts. as in fake. as in not real. does this need to be spelled out any further? when a musician, in a song, says he did/has done something, its usually assumed to be true. for instance, usher's single "confessions" talks about having a baby with his mistress or whatever. everyone thought it was real, until he publicly denied it. when an actor kills a person on screen in a movie, do you assume that he also kills people in real life? there is a far greater disconnect here than you cant apparently substantiate.

Do you realize how dumb you sound by saying that. Your argument for not comparing movies to music is that movie is a movie? Give me a freakin break here buddy. Sure an actor is an actor, a musician is a musician. Where on a record does it say the CD is fuctual? I know your response will be that it should say that, why doesn't it say it on movies then? I think you are dead wrong in assuming people believe that what is said on a CD is real. Most people have enough common sense to know otherwise. Sure, some stupid people thought that Usher was serious, as you pointed out he wasn't. That is exactly my point, music is music and 99% of the time a musician says something (in any genre) he/she doesn't mean it, it's simply there for entertainment.

actor kills a person on screen in a movie, do you assume that he also kills people in real life

No I don't. However, when a rapper kills someone in a song I also don't think he killed them in real life as I would hope 99% of the population does.

name one.

Tell me the type of music you listen to and I will be happy to.

i have every right to question their talent. they release their shit to the public. i am the public. i grade their talent and performance. i am what makes them money, or makes them broke. so yes, i have absolutely every right to call whomever i wish a no-talent assclown.

You are dead on there, you have the right to pay for the music or ignore it as I have the same choice with your type of music. However, no, you do not have a right to say they have no talent. If you produce a beat and write a verse I will give you full authority to critize them. I produce beats, I am not amazing at it but I like it. I can not imagine someone that never made a beat before coming up to me and saying I don't know what I am doing, hypocrite anyone? This is exactly what you are doing.

dude... if T.I. can make money off a shitty ass song like 'rubberband man, wild as the taliban', do you really think its an amazing accomplishment to get the masses to buy your records? wake up. there are way too many fools like you who love rap, of couse the market is there. if i wasn't white, i could do it myself. that's got to be the only reason i respect eminem, to an extent. he's got more 'talent' than the majority of rappers out there, and he's a white boy. so ya, 'props' to him. he was decent in 8 mile, so 'props to the double izzex' to him.

T.I. make money? I don't recall him selling that many CDs. I think T.I. sucks, you think he sucks, cool, but why do you feel you need to yell at anyone that listens to him?

hmm... good question. jurassic 5. sugarhill gang. a tribe called quest. outkast. there's a guy now, named 'twistah' or something like that, he did the 'slow jamz' song or whatever. he's a really fast rapper, so thats pretty cool. the only purpose rap serves now, is that fine ass chicks will strip and dance to it... other than that...

All good rappers, can't argue with that. Twista has a new CD out, check it out, it's a very good album.

I honestly don't know why I am having this discussion with you. You have the right to listen to what you want and I have a right to listen to what you like. Your reasoning for why Eminem shouldn't make music is that someone might take it the wrong way. If this is a valid reason lets all shut the **** up since someone might take what we say the wrong way, go out and kill someone, and then blame it on us.

I have never honestly met anyone that thought Eminem was being serious in his music. If someone thinks what he says is real they need to have their video game, music, movie, and TV privlages cut off right away. I'll tell you what, if you find one person on this message board that thinks Eminem or any type of music is litteral I will say I am wrong, burn all my eminem CDs, and start listening to country music.

You might not consider rap entertainment, I, along with millions of others, do. Please provide me with one GOOD reason as to why a movie is different than a song. Like I said, I think showing pictures of brains getting blown out is much more influancial than hearing about it. No where does a CD or a movie imply that it is fiction, this is assumed and it is something you learned when you were very little.

[Mechagodzilla]

Jeebus, all the huge posts don't change the fact that the lyrics are only offensive to you if you are offended by them.

If they don't offend, then they don't. Whee!

[Erestheux]

Holy shit. That wasn't a song. It was the same 5 second melody played over and over for like, 5 friggin' minutes with some guy going on and on and on, violently, for a very long time.

:O

To who it may concern: Eminem does controversal stuff to make him rich, much like most other people who are rich. I personally hate the guy, but I'm not going to go around accusing every one of his listeners to be morons. But you must understand that he trys so hard to get into something controversal, all the damn time. And its all for the free publicity, yo.

He is kinda like Marilyn Manson and Salvador Dali, in some ways.

[No Limit]

Holy shit. That wasn't a song. It was the same 5 second melody played over and over for like, 5 friggin' minutes with some guy going on and on and on, violently, for a very long time.

:O

To who it may concern: Eminem does controversal stuff to make him rich, much like most other people who are rich. I personally hate the guy, but I'm not going to go around accusing every one of his listeners to be morons. But you must understand that he trys so hard to get into something controversal, all the damn time. And its all for the free publicity, yo.

He is kinda like Marilyn Manson and Salvador Dali, in some ways.
Again you have to look at the fact of why he is controversial and it is not his fault. Lots of black rappers said the same things he did long before Eminem, why was there such an outrage simply because a white guy was saying these things now?

[Erestheux]

Again you have to look at the fact of why he is controversial and it is not his fault. Lots of black rappers said the same things he did long before Eminem, why was there such an outrage simply because a white guy was saying these things now?Did I say I was outraged?

Did I also say that I had no problem with black people doing it before "a white guy" did?

Where did I say this?! I must know!!

[No Limit]

Did I say I was outraged?

Did I also say that I had no problem with black people doing it before "a white guy" did?

Where did I say this?! I must know!!
Dude, relax. I agreed with you, I am simply saying there shouldn't have been a controversy in the first place.

[Erestheux]

Dude, relax. I agreed with you, I am simply saying there shouldn't have been a controversy in the first place.Haha. Sorry. <3

[disruptioN_]

Sometimes I like Eminem's songs before the millionth time I hear them.

[Tinneth]

I dont really like any of Eminem's music..I liked one song of his a while back and someone thought it would be a good idea to buy me the album for a present :hmph:

[The Dark Elf]

I dont really like any of Eminem's music..I liked one song of his a while back and someone thought it would be a good idea to buy me the album for a present :hmph:
He sometimes gets it right, on the whole, not very good though.