Who thinks TF2 might be a part of the multiplayer... ?

[worldspawn]

i think that they might release tf2 with hl2 as an added bonus for the community... the only reason i think they might not.. is because tf2 is such a big concept they wouldn't want it to be just thrown in like it was nothing.. but i also believe it's possible because how they are seemingly keeping multiplayer underwraps untill sooner till release.. they gave us team fortress classic with hl1.. so why not the sequel with the debut of the new engine? ... they've supposedely been working on it this whole time.. and i don't know how they are going to handle all of valve's upcoming releases (cs: cz.. hl2.. tf2?) if they don't bundle any of these games.. the market will be flooded, leaving the company loosing money on cd production costs.. etc... but if not that, when will tf2 be released? q4 2004? never?



ps: we already have tf1.5 ... and they keep implementing new features which were going to be in tf2 (integrated voice comm.) with each update.. who knows?

[Vertigo]

I'm really not sure...on the one hand, they may release it together, but i'm basing this on how the multiplayer's supposed to be "something special". On the other hand, TF2 has been a very hyped game and, in my opinion, would sell quite well on its own. So it's really hard to tell, unless one of you people work as Valve's sales and marketing agent...I'm hoping it's a two-in-one deal, though, heh.

-Vert

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Vertigo
I'm really not sure...on the one hand, they may release it together, but i'm basing this on how the multiplayer's supposed to be "something special". On the other hand, TF2 has been a very hyped game and, in my opinion, would sell quite well on its own. So it's really hard to tell, unless one of you people work as Valve's sales and marketing agent...I'm hoping it's a two-in-one deal, though, heh.

-Vert i agree that it could make tons of money on it's own.. but valve also might be confident enough with the release and popularity of half-life2 on it's own to allow tf2 to be a free addition to the amazing game.. who knows? it could just be in there to blow everyone away and prevent the kind of hype which eventually faded into endless jokes and anger after the release date slated for 1999 was never fulfilled...


i guess we'll find out sometime this summer.

[FireBall]

Click here (http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162)

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by FireBall
Click here (http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162) okay.. but that doesn't really change much.. thanks for giving me HIS oppinion on my topic, it's not like just because he is an admin here he can devine knowledge which hasn't been released.

[FireBall]

Lets hope he is wrong :cheers:

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by FireBall
Lets hope he is wrong :cheers: and if he's not... DEATH TO THE INSUBORDINATE! :flame:


:cheers:

[bonanzaguy]

It will probably be its own separate game, but might also be downloadable for those w/ HL2. Somewhat like today, you can buy retail CS, or dl it if you have HL

[Apos]

All we can do is wait for Valve to announce something on TF2 (they said they were going to do it soon). It's still likely to be its own retail game, and of course if you want free TFC on HL2, nothing is stopping you from making it yourself.

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Apos
All we can do is wait for Valve to announce something on TF2 (they said they were going to do it soon). It's still likely to be its own retail game, and of course if you want free TFC on HL2, nothing is stopping you from making it yourself. except lack of time, talent, and money.. but yeah okay.

It would logically be stupid for Valve to release TF2 or CS2 as addons. When you think about it on the surface, you first think of yeah seperate games so they can make a ton of money with HL2 and the addons. BUT .... Have you guys ever thought of that the only reason HL1 has survived so long was because of TFC and CS? If Valve were to release TF2 and CS2 as seperate games, they would make alot of money off that but would leave HL2 itself to die out within the year because the two most popular mods would come as seperate games and for that, no one would buy HL2 anymore. They would promote 1 thing, and leave the real game out to die.

[Vertigo]

Point taken. Although, you never know. Valve may pull an EA and not worry about the game at all and just go for milking the cash cow.

-Vert

Originally posted by Vertigo
Point taken. Although, you never know. Valve may pull an EA and not worry about the game at all and just go for milking the cash cow.

-Vert

Valve has a shit load of money now as it is. They said so themselves. And for the fact that this title's NAME is Half-Life 2, will alone sell like a bitch. And they will make so much money it won't even be funny. I don't think they will want to make TF2 and CS2 seperate games. They would have so much money that they most likely would rather care increasing HL2's community rather than make petty cash off addons.

[Vertigo]

I don't mean to sound redundant, but I once again point you towards EA. I mean, they have a shitload of money (and they really do have a TON of money), and yet they still pump out (in certain cases) subpar games. If they really wanted to, they could put all their efforts into one game and make a fantastic, revolutionary game, but they don't. In either case, I have faith in Valve and trust they'll make the right decision, whatever that may be.

-Vert

[Apos]

TF2 is not an addon. It's its own discrete game: they invested tons of money into making it, and its going to be a lot more complex, with a heck of a lot more maps and features, and maybe even single-player gameplay, than just TFC was.

[Laguna]

Maybe Sierra will publish it.... But it looks like its gonna be Electronic Arts...

[bonanzaguy]

i doubt HL2 will be dying off any time soon...

[tokin]

i think that they might release tf2 with hl2 as an added bonus for the community... the only reason i think they might not.. is because tf2 is such a big concept they wouldn't want it to be just thrown in like it was nothing.. but i also believe it's possible because how they are seemingly keeping multiplayer underwraps untill sooner till release.. they gave us team fortress classic with hl1.. so why not the sequel with the debut of the new engine? ... they've supposedely been working on it this whole time.. and i don't know how they are going to handle all of valve's upcoming releases (cs: cz.. hl2.. tf2?) if they don't bundle any of these games.. the market will be flooded, leaving the company loosing money on cd production costs.. etc... but if not that, when will tf2 be released? q4 2004? never?


Uh yeah worldspawn you pretty much explained that perfectly and everything you said up there is starting to make sense about just adding tf2 and cs2 onto the half life 2 community. I mean look they started from half life and added on cs not knowing it was going to be a big hit all and look at it now. So it means they released cs retail to bring in more money and hopefully building a bigger commnunity.....now look at it this way.....THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE AND YOUR ALL ABOUT TO BE WRONG. Ok so they make HALF LIFE and release TFC with it. Now think about it halflife had its own multiplayer but it was never huge, i mean for alittle while but TFC had way more people playing it...am i not correct? Well do you not get it.....they will have alittle pretty fun and ok deathmatch for halflife2, then TF2 will be included with HL2 as another little story added on to it about the game since they say "That TF2 deals very much with HALF LIFE 2 and we dont want to talk about tf2 because it gives away to much info about HL2." That was mentioned at E3. Ok so keep listening... Ok they have also mentioned that they want to make the community bigger ok so they make cs retail and dod retail...but they never released a TFC retail...it only came in the platinum edition. Which means TFC is supposed to be with Half life and it doesnt need to be retail because get this they never release patches for tfc...they always come with the HL UPDATES!! Like all of the changes and stuff...so that means TFC&TF2 have to do something with HL&HL2 because tfc is for the like first few thousand people playing and along time member because it was released long ago so they respect that and will release TF2 with HL2 so we can all play it and eventually it will go retail letting all of the newwer newbs to start playing.....hopefully some of you smarter people can understand that. It all makes sense now? Sounds exciting doesnt it.

[tokin]

Yeah and one more thing....Sierra/Valve will do this for us because think about the most nice gaming company you know....its sierra because they treat the community with alot of respect and keep bringing out updates like every 6 months where most games put out 3 or 4 and never put out anymore again....they keep the community running by doing all of that.

[Apos]

That's a lot of wishful thinking, but the fact is, TF2 was developed to be a standalone commercial product, and it's not likely that they'll just dump all that work and hand it out for free. Maybe they will, but it's still about as likely as Nintendo just deciding that they'll release the Zelda:Windwaker sequel for free as a gift to the community.

You enjoy getting things for free, and I understand that. I'd certainly love to get a million dollars and a solid gold computer for free. But we can't have everything we want.

Consider Counter-Strike: CZ. It is a multiplayer-based game turned into a single player game.

Well, as it turns out, that's part of what TF2 is as well: it has many many new levels and features and bots designed for an entire single-player experience. What they are developing doesn't sound at all like a mod, it sounds like a game.

[tokin]

Well we both have points about this and it will only tell in time.....the happiest day of my life by the way....september 30th.

We can only hope and pray they did what i said, its so much smarter. Also they are making the new SDK mod programming thing so they incourage people making mods and hopefully some will hit off huge and they will end up making them retail so that shows they want to keep getting the community even larger. TF2 on the other hand im not sure....and it's not to much further away until HL2 to see who is right about TF2 being included or not.

[Cid]

Tokin no offense but you don't seem to know what your talking about at all.

1st of all to all those who think it will be free because "valve made so much money on HL 1." Valve has said that they've put most of the money they made from HL 1 into HL 2. Infact a direct quote from Gabe Newell, "Basically, we took every dollar we made on Half-Life and put it into Half-Life 2" (PC Gamer June 2003, pg. 48).

What this means is basically 1, a company can not make a profit from just having one hit profit (including games developers, book publishers, movies studious, tv series creators, even most musicians don't make much money on their 1st CD even if it goes gold). 2, they probably took money from sierra to fund TF2, which means Sierra wants it's cut too, so even if Valve wanted to release TF2 for free they'd probably have to pay off sierra several million dollars on top of any investment they've made in the game.

2ndly Half-Life 2 will be just as mod friendly, and if there were any HL 1 mod I'd expect to have a sequel and remain free for HL 2 it would be DoD. I mean the CS guys probably still want some more cash, and who can blame them, they made the most popular MP FPS. I believe that if there will be any free mods for HL2 it will again come from the community and not from hired devs.

Also keep in mind it was a different world in 1998. How often did you see MP only games? Now we have Quake III, UT 2k3, America's Army, etc. If TFC was released as a stand alone in 98 it would have been much harder to break through. Now however it has a following so MP games are much bigger.

The closest thing to TF 2 being free that I can imagen is having something like a $20-30 expansion for HL 2 users, released on steam, as well as a $50 stand alone sold on shelves.

Also if anyone is expecting a free CS 2 I'd really suggest to not hold your breath. Now, as we speak there's probably 50-60 thousand people playing that game, the next highest MP FPS is probably around 5-6 k. Infact I'd rather see CS 2 be sold then given away, because if it's given away it will likely be several times worse than were they to charge, due to what would probably be a microscopic budget.

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

don't mean to sound redundant, but I once again point you towards EA. I mean, they have a shitload of money (and they really do have a TON of money), and yet they still pump out (in certain cases) subpar games. If they really wanted to, they could put all their efforts into one game and make a fantastic, revolutionary game, but they don't. In either case,

correct me if I'm wrong...

but EA publish games, Valve developes games...there's a difference.

since they say "That TF2 deals very much with HALF LIFE 2 and we dont want to talk about tf2 because it gives away to much info about HL2." That was mentioned at E3.

where the **** did you hear/read that???

unless you provide me with a link ASAP I think you've might have misunderstood something...although Combine vs. freedom fighters would be cool....but also altering everything we've seen so far about TF2. but then again I think they've started from scratch when they've changed to the new engine...so it might be possible that they've changed gameplay and game design altogether....

but I don't think you should expect to get neither CS2 or TF2 as a bundle....

first off I Don't think cs2 is very far in development and it won't be able to be done 30th of september.....I'm pretty sure that of the sparse info we've gotten so far...it was mentioned that it would be standalone...

TF2 was originally meant to be a standalone aswell....and I don't think much have changed about that either....of course it would be nice to have it as free mod, but not very likely IMHO...

[Dave]

Urgh, I would hate it if TF2 was HL2's multiplayer. That would be so annoying. Sure I like TF2 and all, but I am expecting something more like the HL multiplayer!

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

yup I would hate it if they at least didn't put in regular deathmatch...

but there's a possibility that they might wanna do something like RTCW(multiplayer was team-based TFC-ish stuff)....but I kind of hope not. or atleast have both...

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Dave
Urgh, I would hate it if TF2 was HL2's multiplayer. That would be so annoying. Sure I like TF2 and all, but I am expecting something more like the HL multiplayer! nobody said anything about taking away hl2dm... having tf2 be on the multiplayer cd of hl2 wouldn't mean you couldn't still have the hl2 multiplayer..?

[Calm_Blue_Ocean]

I'm guessing that HL2 will include some sort of death match mode (drivable striders?) and perhaps a cooperative mode. TF2 will probably come out later, but as an add on with some other mods as well (CS2?). Who knows though, Valve has been very generous when it comes to the mod community.

[Dave]

Originally posted by worldspawn
nobody said anything about taking away hl2dm... having tf2 be on the multiplayer cd of hl2 wouldn't mean you couldn't still have the hl2 multiplayer..?

Oh sorry, just some people are saying "Wouldn't it be cool if TF2 was the HL2 multiplayer". In which case, it's definatly not cool. If it was an addon, like TFC was in the HL generation pack etc, then that'd be cool! :)

But I doubt they will release it for free. It was previewed in games magazines like a real game, not just a mod. I see it as a totally seperate game from HL, just using the same engine.

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

Originally posted by Calm_Blue_Ocean
I'm guessing that HL2 will include some sort of death match mode (drivable striders?) and perhaps a cooperative mode. TF2 will probably come out later, but as an add on with some other mods as well (CS2?). Who knows though, Valve has been very generous when it comes to the mod community.

I'm pretty sure that there won't be any coop stuff...just too hard too do properly

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

also I'm pretty sure that if TF2 won't ship with HL2(and I doubt it will)...it will be a standalone and not an add-on.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by PriNcE oF SpAcE
correct me if I'm wrong...

but EA publish games, Valve developes games...there's a difference.


Gah...good point. Sorry, this was one of my many inane ramblings from late last night. Just ignore most of it, it's spam anyway, :dozey:

-Vert

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

no need to apologize...

it's a jungle out there finding out who publish and who developes...and who owns who and what and so on...

Originally posted by Apos
TF2 is not an addon. It's its own discrete game

How would you know, einstein. No more gossipping damnit! :flame:

[Apos]

I know because that's what Valve and Sierra both said when the game was announced, that's what giving it its own separate Sierra website was all about, and they have yet to say or signal anything different.

Gabe said that they were holding off on announcing something new about TF2 because it was using the Source engine, and thus they couldn't announce stuff about TF2 without revealing the existence of Source... which they did not want to do until they were ready to reveal HL2. In any case, we'll probably hear about what's up with TF2 fairly soon.

[bonanzaguy]

well met, Apos
:cheers:

Originally posted by Apos
I know because that's what Valve and Sierra both said when the game was announced, that's what giving it its own separate Sierra website was all about, and they have yet to say or signal anything different.

Gabe said that they were holding off on announcing something new about TF2 because it was using the Source engine, and thus they couldn't announce stuff about TF2 without revealing the existence of Source... which they did not want to do until they were ready to reveal HL2. In any case, we'll probably hear about what's up with TF2 fairly soon.

Well till then I'm thinkin it's pretty stupid to make conclusions. No point in arguing over something that we know absolutely nothing about.

[Trogdor]

Back to CS2....I think it will be a separate game, because look at the graphics and features it will possibly have....what do you think the download size will be? 500mb? and that just the beginning, maybe all the updates will be huge and for some people it will be difficult to get (dail-up). But it would be cool if they sold CS2 for like $30 and not $50 :afro:

[bonanzaguy]

trogdor: please view the "CS mod!" thread

[Deviant]

humm, i dont seem to understand why people cant think logically. Valve wants to make money, to make most money are they going to ship a 4 year project as a side to HL2, or are they going to ship it as well as HL2 and make money off them both.

think from the view of the person who controls the decision and it makes questions like this irrellavant.

*edit* word order

Originally posted by Deviant
humm, i dont seem to understand why people cant think logically. Valve wants to make money, to make most money are they going to ship a 4 year project as a side to HL2, or are they going to ship it as well as HL2 and make money off them both.

think from the view of the person who controls the decision and it makes questions like this irrellavant.

*edit* word order

OMG you people just dont READ the posts. I said this before: On the surface you think that they'll make money off of both. BUT, if they release TF2 seperately, and CS2 seperately, those 2 products will flourish but HL2 will no longer have those two mod's support and no one would buy HL2 anymore because once they finish single player, they'd rather play TF2 and CS2 as MP games. They would promote the addons but leave the game out to die because it would no longer have the support of the two biggest mods that used to be in HL1.

[Cid]

Thugenstien, I think your missing something, what do you think is happening with HL now? The only reason anyone is playing the origanal HL SP or DM would be because they heard about HL2 and wanted to go back into it, otherwise there would be very few people still playing it. Most people are already playing CS, DoD, and TFC.

Also if you've already beaten HL 2 SP then you've probably already bought it so who cares?

This is the way that I see things going.

Millions of people buy HL 2. They play it, beat it, play it again, beat it again. Then community mods start to come out and people start playing those.

Around this time TF 2 is realeased, best case scenario it's a $30-35 expansion.

Then Valve releases it's 1st HL 2 expansion (let's call it Opposing Shift), brings hundreds of thousands of people back to HL 2. By now HL 2 probably has atleast one kick ass community mod, and possible a free DoD sequel.

This causes more people to buy HL 2 for the kick ass mods they keep hearing about, plus the SP.

Basically don't worry about HL dying any time soon.

Still, I don't see CS 2 coming for atleast a year after HL 2. I mean they havn't even released CS:CZ or CS on Xbox yet and it's still the most popular MP game out there. So what's the rush?

[Cid]

Also remember, they can always release them bundled later on when sales start to decline.

[tokin]

Valve said there will be a huge suprise for HL2's multiplayer and they also said TF2 has to deal with HL2 majorily and if they release any info about it it will spoil alot of things about HL2 and TF2. This pretty much means TF2 is going to be added in with HL2 and they will eventually make CS2 and DOD2 retail after that...most likely a year or longer. Now everyone was psyched about TF2 and looked forward to it until it was pretty much vaporware. Think about it, HL2 will have multiplayer but it wont be anything that big or special..it will most likely get old after awhile but TF2 will be included with it for everyone else just like TFC was included with HL. Since there is a story about TF2 and HL2 that means TFC had to do something with HL and just watch they said there will be a suprise for HL2's multiplayer and TF2 will be it. It will come with it or be released through steam and maybe eventually go retail like all of the other mods but they will defiantely include the game no doubt. Valve has been very generous to the hl community and in a few months or hopefully sometime this summer they will announce TF2 being included with HL2....just watch and wait. It all makes sense but all of you or most of you just have to keep disagreeing. I know they scraped the quake engine along time ago and started to make a new one for TF2 and they announced it would be its own game going retail, well they most likely changed that idea including it with HL2 because they want the hl community to be happy with half life 2's multiplayer. Where most people will start off playing half life2 when tons of others are playing TF2 online that came with HL2...just like how HL one started off online...then came cs of course. I dont doubt valve one bit and listen....if they say TF2 has to do with HL2 well why the **** would they release it retail by its self...they will of course include it with HL2 for singleplayer action with bots (AI) and multiplay. I mean they did say there is going to be a suprise...what else can it be? Im going to laugh at each and every one of you when its true, and lets say if its not well then valve is kind of dumb in my perspective. I cant believe only like 2 people in this forum agree with me about this.

[Apos]

Valve said there will be a huge suprise for HL2's multiplayer and they also said TF2 has to deal with HL2 majorily and if they release any info about it it will spoil alot of things about HL2 and TF2. This pretty much means TF2 is going to be added in with HL2

Nice going Sherlock, only, no. They said that they wanted to wait for an update on TF2 because it was using Source as well, and they didn't want to let anyone know about Source until Half-life2 got its chance to demo. They didn't say anything more than that: just that they use the same engine. Given that they've ALREADY said that it's a standalone game, given that they've spent years developing it with a separate team, and given that they still reffer to them as separate games, it just isn't likely that TF2 will be a free addon.

I know you desperately want it to be so, but wanting it doesn't magically make it true.

if they say TF2 has to do with HL2 well why the **** would they release it retail by its self..

You didn't listen to what they said. They said that it uses the same engine, and your desperate mind somehow mangled that into "TF2 has to do with HL2!!!" which is barely even intelligible English, much less what Valve has actually said.

I mean, do you understand the meaning of the word "surprise?" For all we know, the surprise could be anything at all: it's not like TF is only mod-type on the planet, and maybe they want to try something new.

Thugenstein isn't much better. Again, he has a imagined theory about how things should be that may or may not bear any relation to how things are. Why would they think that HL2's multiplay couldnt survive without TF2? Why not try something new with it? Or, if HL2 multiplay is dwarfed by TF2, who cares? That's great for them as well!

Well till then I'm thinkin it's pretty stupid to make conclusions. No point in arguing over something that we know absolutely nothing about.

We do know something about it: that they said it was a standalone game. Sure, anything could happen: Valve could be abducted by aliens. But the reality is, they've said its standalone, and that's still the best information we have now.

Originally posted by tokin
I cant believe only like 2 people in this forum agree with me about this.

3 :cheese:

[tokin]

Lol thug i was meaning you as one of those 2


if they say TF2 has to do with HL2 well why the **** would they release it retail by its self..


You didn't listen to what they said. They said that it uses the same engine, and your desperate mind somehow mangled that into "TF2 has to do with HL2!!!" which is barely even intelligible English, much less what Valve has actually said.




I did leave out a source of information...a friend of mine went to E3 and asked about TF2 and that is what they said. They said they were not going to talk about TF2 because it deals alot with HL2 and if they mention to much about it they will spoil HL2 and TF2. Please forgive me leaving that part out but knowing that it is even more likely for them to release it together. Plus just think about it, accept that im right and your wrong....people will start seeing soon and then soon it will be announced.

Originally posted by tokin
Lol thug i was meaning you as one of those 2.

I knew that... :dozey: :cheese: i meant 3 as in my uhh.... other, FRIEND... who is ,.. thinking the same th.... anyway yeah.

[tokin]

Oh yeah forgot to mention...ok so valve says they are going to suprise us when it comes to multiplayer. Well they all know people have been pissed since TF2 is still not out since what 1999 now? Well that is going to be the suprise, valve is going to include that with HL2 no doubt. I cant believe people dont see what im saying and believe it.....btw im not the only one that believes this.

Also here is a interview or little article that was not posted to long ago, i think august 2002 actually.

When Robin Walker, Yahn Bernier and John Cook -- who are some of the leaders on the development team -- first started going toward the path they wanted to with Team Fortress 2, toward the game that they wanted to make once they'd defined it, it became clear that the Half-Life technology base was going to be pretty limiting. It has been said 'on the record' that there's a new internally-built engine, and TF2 will use that. So rather than showing more old screenshots and stuff that's in development while we're building the new engine, we decided to put it back into the pot and cook it a bit more. We'll start showing it again once it gets to a certain point, and we're now getting there.

That was from planetfortress.com and that was the most recent status of TF2 we have heard, nothing big but letting us know its still in development. Now that quote doesnt hint TF2 being included with HL2 at all but still if you would think about all of this you know this is all making sense.

Originally posted by tokin
Oh yeah forgot to mention...ok so valve says they are going to suprise us when it comes to multiplayer. Well they all know people have been pissed since TF2 is still not out since what 1999 now? Well that is going to be the suprise, valve is going to include that with HL2 no doubt. I cant believe people dont see what im saying and believe it.....btw im not the only one that believes this.

Also here is a interview or little article that was not posted to long ago, i think august 2002 actually.



That was from planetfortress.com and that was the most recent status of TF2 we have heard, nothing big but letting us know its still in development. Now that quote doesnt hint TF2 being included with HL2 at all but still if you would think about all of this you know this is all making sense.

Good stuff. But them saying that TF2 would have something to do with HL2 could simply mean that it only would use it's engine. But i still believe it would come with HL2, if not right away then later. But free n all.

[tokin]

another reason to prove this...here is an interview that is about 2 or almost 3 years old from gamespot...this is just a section of it...

GS: Will it be possible to build mods for Team Fortress 2 right after it launches?

RW: In fact we intend to ship the SDK (software development kit) for Team Fortress 2 before we ship the game. People should be making mods before we release Team Fortress 2, I hope. We should be talking about that sometime soon.

Now they are shipping SDK on ebgames before HL2...now thats alittle sketchy why would they make TF2 retail and HL2 retail and have mods made for both games. That sure in hell doesnt sound right. That would be way to unorganized and they would have to keep up with alot of shit and the games would end up becoming very unorganized. Now if they said HL2 was only single-player then of course TF2 would be retail and mods would be made from that but they have announced HL2 will be multiplayer but they wont say anything about it yet. Now there is only one thing that might make me change my mind. They used all of the money made from HL into HL2 and prolly TF2, now if they used all of it like they said then maybe TF2 will be retail so they can get alot of money for both games and eventually cs2 and dod2 and any other mods becoming retail.

[Vertigo]

Uh, I don't mean to say that you're wrong or anything, but basing opinions on information that is two or three years old is never the greatest thing. I know that that's the only info we can base statements on, but considering how old it is, how about we just WAIT until we get more information before we speculate. Thank you very much.

-Vert
THREAD STOPS HERE!
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[Apos]

Still just wishful thinking with precisely no evidence. They are related so they MUST be the same game. They both are moddable so they MUST be the same game. I don't see how either of those things prove anything. We're still where we were when we last heard from Valve on this subject: HL2 is a standalone, so is TF2. And nothing said so far even implies that this has changed. If it has, it wont be because you figured it out, it will simply be because they kept it secret until now, and you were still jumping to illegitimate conclusions.

[Vertigo]

Damn you Apos! *underlines "THREAD STOPS HERE"*
...
Hm. I guess I'm adding on to this thread myself. Damn my hypocrisy! Damn it to hell! *clubs self with baseball bat*

-Vert (please stop the thread now...)

[tokin]

i asked a few questions to gabe and a few other valve employees. Has anyone ever emailed them? Are they good about responding back?

[Vertigo]

Gah! Damn you! Thread ends! Oh wait...*beats self with bat again*

Anyway, I strongly doubt they'll respond to you in a way that gives you any real information, if you're asking about TF2. They're like any company -- they'll let out information publicly in press releases, not through private e-mails to random fans.

-Vert

[Apos]

Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not: it really depends on the question, and if they feel ready to answer it right then and there. Generally, it's not a good idea to bug them about things that they've either said they wont talk about yet (which includes TF2), or is something you'd assume every moron fanboy is mailing in about ("I don't like the way the grenades look! Wahhhh!")

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

I'm with Apos on this...

Tokin realise this: you don't know shit...none of us does...so sounding as sure as you do saying we're asshats for not seing the "obvious" just make you look dumb...



Uh, I don't mean to say that you're wrong or anything, but basing opinions on information that is two or three years old is never the greatest thing.

well actually the opposite theory is also based on 3 years old info about the game being a standalone... ;)

IMHO I don't think that TF2 will ship with HL2....notice the "think" -part Tokin....you might learn something...

then again as I've said before...it's possible that Valve will do something like RTCW with the multiplayer part...we just don't know...

[ub3rbr0k3]

Well, in that german interview, Valve stated the reason TF2 wasn't publicly revealed (too much, atleast) is that they didn't want to reveal the existance of the source engine until they announced HL2.

TF2 will use the source engine... However probably not as a mod but as a retail product.

And this thread will nev@r d13!!!! Cry vertigo, cry. :cheese:











jk.

[Straylight]

I don't get it. I've seen no link to anything with Valve saying anything about TF2 other then "we didn't talk about it because it would have revleaed the source engine" or "we'll talk about TF2 later." Any Sierra, Valve, or whatever TF2 sites are years old being put up when TF2 was supposed to be released shortly after HL1 with no updates for years so you really can't point to them as proof of what the game will be like because they are so out of date. From what I have read I don't think there is an answer to the origional question of the post other then:

1) Yes, I think it MIGHT be part of HL2's multiplayer as a free addon or expansion pack.

or

2) No, I don't think that's a possibility.

In either case it seems like just guessing at this point. However, If anyone would point me to an interview, preview, or press release where some information (that answers the question I mean) other then what i said above is stated by Valve since HL2 was announced, I would apreciate it because I'm not sure why the FAQ that is stickied on the top of this page is so sure about it while several previews on respected sites and magazines are still speculating about this very thing.

-Straylight

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

Straylight go to the TF2 forum...

TF2 WON'T SHIP WITH HL2!!!!!

Originally posted by PriNcE oF SpAcE
Straylight go to the TF2 forum...

TF2 WON'T SHIP WITH HL2!!!!!

First off, you dont know that. And whoever said that is full of shit cuz they dont know either. No one buy the damn company knows why the hell is everyone just bitching about something that they know nothing about. And who gives a **** if it wont ship with it, infact im pretty sure it wont cuz they would want people to play HL2's default multiplayer first, but i dont know fo sho. But just as long as itll come later FREE, as a download.

[tokin]

Thug its not...i emailed gabe and he said TF2 will be retail via steam. So that does suck i wish they would of suprised us with it included....this blows but i bet they might include something else or something i hope....well this fall is going to kick ass...alot of bad ass games are going to be released...mainly HL2. Im going to Maine on June 25th so ill take HL with me up there and beat it again just because i need to...i havnt played it in a few years now. Need to refresh my memory....oh well i just wanna hear an update about TF2 sometime this summer.

Originally posted by tokin
Thug its not...i emailed gabe and he said TF2 will be retail via steam. So that does suck i wish they would of suprised us with it included....this blows but i bet they might include something else or something i hope....well this fall is going to kick ass...alot of bad ass games are going to be released...mainly HL2. Im going to Maine on June 25th so ill take HL with me up there and beat it again just because i need to...i havnt played it in a few years now. Need to refresh my memory....oh well i just wanna hear an update about TF2 sometime this summer.

Dude as much as i like you and all, like i said in the other post in TF2 section, Im having a hard time believing that Valve told you this. Why would Valve tell some fanboy something that hasnt been stated officially to the public. Companies dont just give out inside info to random fans.

[tokin]

well dude most likely he hasnt been asked this by anyone else yet or from the public in an interview so they are just waiting or he isnt making it a big deal. Then again what if he was lying just lying to the public knowing that would get around??? But it makes sense for their market and business so i guess we will here about this sometime this summer. :)

Originally posted by tokin
well dude most likely he hasnt been asked this by anyone else yet or from the public in an interview so they are just waiting or he isnt making it a big deal. Then again what if he was lying just lying to the public knowing that would get around??? But it makes sense for their market and business so i guess we will here about this sometime this summer. :)

Of course he know it would get around. He knew you probably had a big mouth. :cheese: Im sure he lied to you. So you can tell everyone and the debate could stop. I mean asking him about that is just like asking a movie star about their wishes for world peace.

[tokin]

lol thug, well we will see.

[Straylight]

The June PC Gamer HL2 Preview has an orange box called "Secrets and Speculation." In it there is a blurb that says: "Wouldn't it be cool if Team Fortress 2 ended up being Half-Life 2's multiplayer component? Were not saying it's likely... but it sure would make up for the long wait." I can't help but wonder why PC Gamer didn't get a yes or no out of Valve about this but you did (and I know I'm assumeing they asked.)

-Straylight

Originally posted by Straylight
I can't help but wonder why PC Gamer didn't get a yes or no out of Valve about this but you did (and I know I'm assumeing they asked.)

LOL tokin got told. That seriously is an interesting point. Why would a major magazine not get an answer but you would. Sorry tokin but i just dont believe you. :afro: (the fro, oh yes)

[tokin]

Here is the email buddy....i have the real thing from hotmail if someone would like to host the pic...here is the text.


TF 2 will be sold as a stand-alone SKU at retail, over Steam, and i am sure at some point it will get put in the same box as HL-2.

We didn't say anything about TF-2 at E3 because it would have gotten mixed up with the HL-2 stories.

-----Original Message-----
To: contact@valvesoftware.com; gaben@valvesoftware.com;
tedb@valvesoftware.com; yahn@valvesoftware.com; johnc@valvesoftware.com;
erik@valvesoftware.com; robin@valvesoftware.com
Sent: 5/26/2003 10:32 PM
Subject: 2 quick questions for the valve team

Hello to all of you, i decided to email you all and ask a few
questions.
Im not expecting all of them to be asnwered, im just hoping i will get a

email back from one of you regarding atleast one question or just a
statement. I would also like to say i really appreciate what you guys
have
done for the half life community and I respect all of you, keep up the
great work....your company is above and beyond any other games and
companies
when it comes down to caring and what you guys can deliver to us gamers.

Well here our my questions.

Is Team Fortress 2 going to be included with HL2?
Is Team Fortress 2 going to be its own seperate game and released
through
steam for charge and/or retail?

Those are the only 2 questions i have. I would also like to confirm

something else i have been hearing. People from E3 have mentioned you
guys
have said you wont release anything on TF2 because it will give away to
much
about HL2 and TF2 and ruin alot of the suprises.....anyway to clear that
up?
Well thank you, i must be going now and I hope to hear from someone.


-Jonathan Winn

[tokin]

The June PC Gamer HL2 Preview has an orange box called "Secrets and Speculation." In it there is a blurb that says: "Wouldn't it be cool if Team Fortress 2 ended up being Half-Life 2's multiplayer component? Were not saying it's likely... but it sure would make up for the long wait." I can't help but wonder why PC Gamer didn't get a yes or no out of Valve about this but you did (and I know I'm assumeing they asked.)

Gabe told me this in an email but it doesnt really matter what you guys think, im trying to figure stuff out on my own now. Let's see i have this issue, it does mention about top 10 things they know and 10 top they dont know. That was mentioned in there about the multiplayer componet, this can only mean that valve told them no it will be retail but they had nothing else to say so they added that in about TF2 just to make people think. Or valve told them yes but they could get sued if someone mentioned it possibly but i greatly doubt that, i bet they just added it in to make people think about it.

Originally posted by tokin
Here is the email buddy....i have the real thing from hotmail if someone would like to host the pic...here is the text.

Well what he answered could have been totally different. And you could have changed it. :cheese: Also, a pic could easily be modified with photoshop.

[tokin]

omg you have got to be kidding me this is ridiculous, i cant believe you guys. For one i wouldn't make this up for no reason, i do find that weird that he hasn't said that to the public but i swear to god i emailed gaben@valvesoftware.com and he replied with that response. I think its really gay you guys dont believe me or atleast some of you but that's fine, we will see the truth when he announces something about TF-2.

[tokin]

I think what is funny about it is that he knows what he is doing with all of this and where he is going. He could be telling me this and telling the truth then when i mention it to people they will think im lying, that is why he maybe hasn't said shit to other companies or in interviews, but lately i havn't read an interview discussing that so maybe that hasn't been asked yet. So he may just be messing with my mind and completely lying to me about it or telling the truth knowing im just some gamer that when i say something no one will believe me because it hasn't been announced. I cant bitch about that though because I mean if some random person brought that up many people may not believe them so I guess that makes sense...oh well btw i have no idea how to use photoshop at all but i would really like to know so i can freaking learn how to make decals and shit, lol.

[Straylight]

I didn't mean it as an accusation or anything man. Valve probbly would give you that response if they expected everyone to know from the beining that they would be two seperate games which is perfectly reasonable as TF2 has always been its own game. In this case it might not be "inside information" they are giving to a fan--only the rebuttle of a rumor that they didn't start. There was no hint from Valve that they were ever considering making TF2 HL2's multiplayer so I can see why they wouldn't foresee everyone second-guessing them about this. I just wondered why no one got the story one way or the other if it was so easy.

-Straylight

[ub3rbr0k3]

I think Tokin's right. Besides, it's a fair business judgement on Valve's part. Many people like to play TF2. Now that it is certain to be popular, why not sell it and rake in loads of money? I mean, this isn't some sort of volunteer business you know.

But that's just my opinion, it's entirely up to you to draw your own speculations.

[tokin]

Knowing valve, something still tells me they will release it with HL2...and that is the suprise. Gaming companies can say whatever they want, i dont know why but i have a gut feeling that they will release it with HL2. Im really going to be suprised if they dont, I have no idea why i feel this way and you guys can say whatever you want about it but i still believe they will release TF2 with HL2. If im right you guys can all be my bitches and if im wrong then call me whatever you want...no one will get anything out of this except me proving a point or you guys being right and me completley wrong.

[Ridic]

it be cool, but i probly wouldnt keep up with it long, for if i play multiplayer games too much i might end up killing someone.

[tokin]

i hope your joking....anyways valve says there will be a huge suprise for multiplayer and things through the game and if you just think about it TF2 has got to be HL2's big suprise included with it, hopefully bots for single player but also a major online fps that the story has something to do with HL2...now knowing this is true its pretty much to see it either go retail or the suprise being included with HL2. I really cant wait to see....

Originally posted by tokin
i hope your joking....anyways valve says there will be a huge suprise for multiplayer and things through the game and if you just think about it TF2 has got to be HL2's big suprise included with it, hopefully bots for single player but also a major online fps that the story has something to do with HL2...now knowing this is true its pretty much to see it either go retail or the suprise being included with HL2. I really cant wait to see....

Dude I think you need a timeout from HL2 man. Too much feelings for you. Go do something else, get laid or something. I think everyone here needs to simmer down, myself too.

[tokin]

ouch : o :(

Originally posted by tokin
ouch : o :(

just telling you whats best for you. Too much envolvement in computer games can be damaging.:bounce:

[Ridic]

multiplayer games increase anger....anger increases hate...hate increases the amount names on my list :eek:


;P

Originally posted by [Hunter]Ridic
multiplayer games increase anger....anger increases hate...hate increases the amount names on my list :eek:


;P

good one ya fag :eek: lol just playin

[Alzxul]

Too much involvement in computer games can be damaging?! Pish Posh! Stop brainwashing him... come now tokin, have your daily dose of HL2 rumours... mwhahahaha :cheese:

Originally posted by Alzxul
Too much involvement in computer games can be damaging?! Pish Posh! Stop brainwashing him... come now tokin, have your daily dose of HL2 rumours... mwhahahaha :cheese:

negative

[tokin]

ive been brain washed to read and look at HL2 forums non stop....also to be the first person to read anything new about the game and not to mention make up crazy assumptions and topics to start some major shit.

[KiNG]

i cant help but hope that TF2 will be in hl2 and for a moment i was fooled into believing that it was commin with hl2, then i started thinkin to myself and it didnt make any sense considering that they originally were going to make it retial...but i guess we wont know till an anoucement is made.
my vote is that TF2 will be sold separte, and i think token has some points but is gettin over worked...i believe him and i think some of u guys are being asses.

[tokin]

gracias king. No matter what is going on right now or atleast until gabe announces that TF2 will not be with HL2 and explains about it then im going to keep thinking and believing TF2 will be included.

Originally posted by KiNG
i cant help but hope that TF2 will be in hl2 and for a moment i was fooled into believing that it was commin with hl2, then i started thinkin to myself and it didnt make any sense considering that they originally were going to make it retial...but i guess we wont know till an anoucement is made.
my vote is that TF2 will be sold separte, and i think token has some points but is gettin over worked...i believe him and i think some of u guys are being asses.

we arent being asses. well atleast im not. Im just being constructively honest.

[KiNG]

hes mexican? nevermind hes a natural liar...


heh just messin, i just dont see why u would want to lie to us and besides that the mags stories were a lil while b4 e3 and now a lil info can be reviled.

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

Originally posted by tokin
Knowing valve, something still tells me they will release it with HL2...and that is the suprise. Gaming companies can say whatever they want, i dont know why but i have a gut feeling that they will release it with HL2. Im really going to be suprised if they dont, I have no idea why i feel this way and you guys can say whatever you want about it but i still believe they will release TF2 with HL2. If im right you guys can all be my bitches and if im wrong then call me whatever you want...no one will get anything out of this except me proving a point or you guys being right and me completley wrong.

http://www.buis2.net/forums/images/smilies/mooklol.gif OMG!!!!

Tokin...you still believe that TF2 will ship with HL2 although you've personnaly got an E-mail from Gabe telling you NO omg...

just get it...TF2 won't ship with HL2....it is however entirely possible that they've changed the concept of TF2 to have something to do with the HL2 univers(e.g. combine vs. Freedom fighters, but it will still be stand-alone)although I doubt it...

[worldspawn]

it just hit me that it could be possible.. i don't know either way.. and don't associate me with the retarded blathering of tokin.. but also consider how gabe responded..

and i am sure at some point it will get put in the same box as HL-2.

[Dave]

I think that is more for when both games get cheaper, they both get put together and sold for the same price as HL2 originally did on it's own.

CS is sold retail and stand-alone. Yet that got put into the same box as HL, along with Opposing Force and Blue Shift (and TFC), in the HL Generation pack.

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Dave
I think that is more for when both games get cheaper, they both get put together and sold for the same price as HL2 originally did on it's own.

CS is sold retail and stand-alone. Yet that got put into the same box as HL, along with Opposing Force and Blue Shift (and TFC), in the HL Generation pack. before cs was retail.. it was free for download off the internet FOR YEARS

[Dave]

Opposing Force and Blue Shift werent.

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Dave
Opposing Force and Blue Shift werent. they were based mainly off of the sp levels, elements and gameplay.

tfc was given to the community to tide us over for tf2.. tf2 took much longer then valve said it would.. but to prevent complaints over the development time, and criticism.. they might surprise us all and tie it to hl2.. who knows? if they did do that though.. think of how many people it would totally blow away..

[Dave]

Maybe your right Worldspawn, but personally I hope it isn't. Valve said they have something special planned for HL2. If that something special is just TF2 i'm gonna be dissapointed. I would much rather buy it seperatly. You'd get a nice box and everything. Plus I would prefer to concentrate on the Single player aspect of HL2 as well as it's mapping capabilities. If TF2 came out with it, I would be hooked on that (probably).

Oh, and Op4 had an awesome Multiplayer. :p

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Dave
Maybe your right Worldspawn, but personally I hope it isn't. Valve said they have something special planned for HL2. If that something special is just TF2 i'm gonna be dissapointed. I would much rather buy it seperatly. You'd get a nice box and everything. Plus I would prefer to concentrate on the Single player aspect of HL2 as well as it's mapping capabilities. If TF2 came out with it, I would be hooked on that (probably).

Oh, and Op4 had an awesome Multiplayer. :p you can't say it would be bad because you'd have too much gameplay in front of you.. although i'd probably face the same problem of shitting my pants when i opened the box and had to decide if i wanted to talk to alyx or drive a tank through the desert first.. i think that it might very well be possible for valve to just be laughing there asses off waiting for sept. when they blow the gaming world away and get revenge at all the years of bitching for the extremely delayed release of tf2.. and i am 100% sure that even if tf2 is released with hl2.. there will still be an hl2 multiplayer not related to team fortress in anyway..

and one thing i am absolutely sure of.. when tf2 does come out.. it will be available as an addon to hl2.. either if it costs money or not.. they aren't going to have to independent games promoting mods off the same source. tf2 in one form or another WILL be sold as retail.. just as cs came out as retail (costing in some cases more then half-life.. which includes the great singleplayer and the possibility to download cs for free) we'll just see who's as dumb as the people who bought cs retail when it came out instead of hl out of the bargain bin.

[worldspawn]

Originally posted by Dave
Maybe your right Worldspawn, but personally I hope it isn't. Valve said they have something special planned for HL2. If that something special is just TF2 i'm gonna be dissapointed. I would much rather buy it seperatly. You'd get a nice box and everything. Plus I would prefer to concentrate on the Single player aspect of HL2 as well as it's mapping capabilities. If TF2 came out with it, I would be hooked on that (probably).

Oh, and Op4 had an awesome Multiplayer. :p it is true that op4 had an awesome multiplayer.. but they also couldn't have given away the op4 singleplayer away for free... they spent time and money making it and it's content that is designed to be played for and is an expansion of the story.. tf2 is mainly a multiplayer game from what i've heard/seen..