First Screenshot!!! (need verify tho)

[Iced_Eagle]

http://junk.paulm.com/HL1Source_Ithy.jpg

Original location: http://img34.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img34&image=HL1Source_Ithy.jpg

Source (no pun intended): http://bbs.hl2-world.com/viewtopic.php?p=99899

Note: remove dash between hl2 and world too get the right link, they don't like them obviously :(

I'm not 100% sure on if the screen is real/not but it does look very very real to me :) They said they weren't doing an overhaul like CS:S and that seems to fit the description, little enhancements.

[mchammer75040]

whoa awesome! yea it looks legit to me, it might be from the leak though :x

[hegele]

I checked this out too but i think its from a third party conversion from the leaked HL2 engine.

[Iced_Eagle]

If someone can prove to me that it was from a leaked thing, I'll take it down. I've never seen a screenshot or heard anything about some sort of third party HL1 conversion though o.O

[nw909]

If someone can prove to me that it was from a leaked thing, I'll take it down. I've never seen a screenshot or heard anything about some sort of third party HL1 conversion though o.O

There is a HL1 port for HL2 leak.

[Wraith]

why wold a third party make a hl1 conversion? valve already announced theirs.

[Iced_Eagle]

Shit I can't go back to original thread to edit out links for safety.

So if this is from the leak, mods modify my post to not include links and lock the thread only if you know it's from the beta :)

[seinfeldrules]

Looks much worse than HL2 to me.

[Aphal]

Looks much worse than HL2 to me.
WOW REALLY?! :|

[Iced_Eagle]

HL:S isn't supposed to be an overhaul like CSS... Just basically a direct port.

Here is what someone said about the SS and says its real.

That screenshot is real, and it's not new. It was published in issue #103 of PC Powerplay, an Australian magazine you may or may not have heard of. It also had a comparison shot from the original HL.

[Mr-Fusion]

I checked this out too but i think its from a third party conversion from the leaked HL2 engine.
It's not. I have the exact same screenshot in a magazine i recently bought that had a little snippet on HL:S. It's straight from Valve.

[Iced_Eagle]

Ah sweet!

IT"S LEGIT! For those who are just tuning in to the thread :)

They probably need to tweak the water more, but definetely an improvement over the old ;)

[FoB_Ed]

aaaah sexy


The picture looks a bit pixellated to me...is it a scan by any chance?

[Iced_Eagle]

Not sure on that.

[Iced_Eagle]

MODERATORS:

please replace the IMG link above (which is now broken) with this one

http://atb.nationgaming.com/hls.jpg

Thanks!

[Mr Bond]

Yeah it's real. As said, it's the same one as was seen in a PC Powerplay recently. For those wondering about the source of this ... Valve e-mailed it to hl2fallout forum member target_practice who posted it on the forums earlier today (http://www.hl2fallout.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4053&st=0).

[iamaelephant]

That looks like crap....

[Mr-Fusion]

Here's the one in the old half-life!

Now this one really looks crap!

[ShadowFox]

That looks like crap....
Thanks for the input, Mr. Positive. How did you expect it to look? They obviously aren't making any major changes to the art.. and why should they?

[Icarus]

It's confirmed. It is a legit screen shot.
(Thanks to Mr-Fusion for the proof)

[un0x]

It looks ok, but CS:S looks better (and it's the same kind of 'port')... I will play HL:S anyways :)

[venturon]

It's confirmed. It is a legit screen shot.
(Thanks to Mr-Fusion for the proof)

Aye, tis a much higher quality version of the one I've been PMing people.

[bud7miker]

wow! WOW! WOW, ooooohhhhhh mmmmmyyyyyy gggggoooodddd! :eek: I can't wait to play the first half-life for the 100th time!!! on source of course. I don't think i could stand playing the original again. :(

Lets just hope it gets released before hl2 otherwise i won't play it :( because i'll be playing hl2 for age's (I hope) :upstare:

[monkeydust]

But, I thought that they weren't upgrading the textures for HL:Source? Now I'm confused.

[Sparta]

They aren't. Half-Life: Source will most likely be the exact same game, except in the Source engine (And maybe a few new models and textures, shaders etc.)

[Kadayi]

They aren't. Half-Life: Source will most likely be the exact same game, except in the Source engine (And maybe a few new models and textures, shaders etc.)

Yep. Valve are throwing it in as a freebie, so they aren't going to spend an enormous amount of time and resources upon it. They are pretty much setting it up so that the modding community can update the appearance of things.

[Brian Damage]

So that's what the big version of the pic from PC PowerPlay looks like...

[lans]

aaaah sexy


The picture looks a bit pixellated to me...is it a scan by any chance?

Sexy 6 year old game. Seems like the lighting and water has been improved, with some shader effects here and there. The textures haven't, but then I really didn't expect valve to do a full conversion, eh. ;)

So yeah, the textures seem pixelated, but then they are ancient.

[DieH@rd]

wow... looks great ( but I hope HL2 will be better :) )

nice water...

[KagePrototype]

It's confirmed. It is a legit screen shot.
(Thanks to Mr-Fusion for the proof)

Any chance of it showing up on the news page? This seems like worthy news to report. :)

That looks like crap....

Well, it IS Half-Life. They're hardly changing anything.

[Kyorisu]

It's confirmed. It is a legit screen shot.
(Thanks to Mr-Fusion for the proof)

What proof? Of course anything using HL2 engine is going to look better. I swear I first saw this screenie on one of those learn to map for hl2 beta sites.

Besides if it where legit wouldn't Valve have released it?

Whether I'm right or not I don't know, or do I owe you an apology?

[Kotik]

There's something wrong with lighting in the source screenshot.
It's too bright and the dark atmospehere get's lost.

I think the screenshot of the original Half-Life looks better.

Just my 2€cents!

[riTuaL]

doesn't look as good as I thought but I don't feel the need to play HL:S anyway..

[bodhi]

its all very well portng hl1 to the source engine, but it just looks out of place having the sorta nice flashy water effect in a low detail blocky environment. it just doesnt match or fit well together and detracts from the immersive feeling you get when you play half life. if they spent the time they have on CS:S on this though, it would look very nice

[six_storm]

doesn't look as good as I thought but I don't feel the need to play HL:S anyway..

Yeah, I agree. It doesn't look all that great. But you gotta remember that the textures, models and stuff are not touched. It's only the physics and stuff. Valve doesn't need to worry about CS:S and HL:S, but they need to worry about getting HL2 on Steam and the shelves!!!!! But that's just my opinion.

[ShinRa]

Loooks so half assed. If theyre going to release shit like that, id rather them wait to release high res textures, cuz that just looks like garbage and its not even worth putting in the package and taking up cd's. I'll install it, but I won't play it til someone does a real overhaul, and we all know, someone will.

[brightgreen]

again with the whiners

[Kiva128]

again with the whiners

Yeah I know what you mean. HL:S is FREE people F-R-E-E! You can't complain about it if you didn't pay for it. That's like downloading a warez version and complaining you cant play multiplayer.

You guys should be happy valve is even touching half-life after all these years. But noooooooo all you people do is bitch because it would appear that if you don't you'll die or something.

Just appreciate what you get!!#!$($!*(!$* :flame: :flame: :flame:

/end rant

[sublidieminal]

Original HL1 looks better... water is out of place. Looks like boiling silver. Maybe the physics do change alot but dont the have to add extra joints to the characters to really show it?

[sublidieminal]

Yeah I know what you mean. HL:S is FREE people F-R-E-E! You can't complain about it if you didn't pay for it. That's like downloading a warez version and complaining you cant play multiplayer.

You guys should be happy valve is even touching half-life after all these years. But noooooooo all you people do is bitch because it would appear that if you don't you'll die or something.

Just appreciate what you get!!#!$($!*(!$* :flame: :flame: :flame:

/end rant

Im Getting pretty sick of people like you! You actually think this is a "favor" done by valve. Don't you know that the mod scene is the main thing that sells copies!? Believe it or not there will be people out there that are just buying HL2 to play HL1 source.. I don't know what makes you think that valve is into this just to make us happy. Theyre making money too.

[Sprafa]

Im Getting pretty sick of people like you! You actually think this is a "favor" done by valve. Don't you know that the mod scene is the main thing that sells copies!? Believe it or not there will be people out there that are just buying HL2 to play HL1 source.. I don't know what makes you think that valve is into this just to make us happy. Theyre making money too.

You should be shot kiddo.

[ShinRa]

You should be shot kiddo.

Good argument back. You had nothing to say, because he's right, but you couldn't just leave it at that, could you?

[Mr-Fusion]

Im Getting pretty sick of people like you! You actually think this is a "favor" done by valve. Don't you know that the mod scene is the main thing that sells copies!?
Half-Life sold shitloads by itself. That was one of the reasons the mods were so popular. Any mod maker had a potentially huge audience at their finger tips. Valve CERTAINLY does not need to release any source ports at all and Half-Life 2 will still make Valve buckets of profit. To say the main thing that sells copies is mods, is completey incorrect.

Believe it or not there will be people out there that are just buying HL2 to play HL1 source.. I don't know what makes you think that valve is into this just to make us happy. Theyre making money too.
I don't think i've ever read anyone say they're only buying HL2 so they can play HL:S. The percentage of people who are would be so incredibly small it simply wouldn't be worth the time porting the game over to target that extremely insignificant market.

From my point of view, this is a good will gesture from Valve. They are more in touch with what their community wants than many other companies. Would iD software ever port Doom 1 and 2 to the Doom 3 engine? No chance in HELL!! Carmack and his mates are too busy working on their next killer game engine to worry about pleasing fans or adding value to an existing product. Keeping in mind how other companies treat their fans i'm never going to criticsize the decision to port these old games. I'm not going to sit here and get all anal about the water looking out of place because no other company would even consider doing what Valve did.

So in conclusion, i think you're opinion is so horribly off-track that it should be ignored.

[ShinRa]

Fusion while your basically right, he does make some points. People need to stop thinking valve is honestly doing this for the game community. They're better off just not giving it to us. It looks like complete garbage, I think the original hl would be more enjoyable than that.

[Mr-Fusion]

They're better off just not giving it to us.
Amazing, just amazing you could actually have that opinion. Are you actually a Half-Life fan? Because 99% of half-life fans would love to play Half-life with physics and a few graphical enhancements....wouldn't they?

One of the first things the modding community would have started on was porting half-life 1 themselves. Valve have made the job much easier by doing the hard work for us. People are going to add better textures to the maps, better characters, sounds etc. Basically having a lot of fun modding it.

I usually respect peoples opinions but for some reason the criticism of this is really shitting me up the wall!!

relax...breathe in

[ShinRa]

But what I'm saying by they shouldn't even bother wasting a cd per package on it is because the graphics don't look better, honestly they look WORSE. And the water is like a silver sheet of metal. I'm hoping it's just the pic, and maybe they can release a few more screenshots, maybe of more familar areas. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem like they even wanted to do a port.

[Mr-Fusion]

http://www.halflife2.net/news//1093618899_hls1.jpg
http://www.halflife2.net/news//1093618899_hls2.jpg

You're going to honestly say HL:S looks worse? Lets get SERIOUS!!

[ShinRa]

Bro I'm dead serious. Original HL looks better imo.

[Incitatus]

Looks very photoshoped to me, no new models, no shadows, low res textures, no nothing. Just the water which I could do myself in photoshop

[Kyorisu]

Looks very photoshoped to me, no new models, no shadows, low res textures, no nothing. Just the water which I could do myself in photoshop

Would you like me to PM you an article from a magazine containing those 2 comparison pics up there?

HL:S is early alpha max. HL:S won't be out with HL2 no way in hell. Valve are only upgrading models, physics and water. Now look at that monsters tail... looks pretty low poly too me. I'm also going to take a gander and say that monster must be making that water ripple, causing the unpleasent effect in that screenshot.

[Kyorisu]

Bro I'm dead serious. Original HL looks better imo.

You're seriously becoming oldschool. You can't judge an unfinished project with one screenshot.

/Edit something stuffed up big time and split my post in two, I think it was to do with my usage of Quote. Anway sorry for double post.

[Iced_Eagle]

I think guinny is drunk or else he's stupid.

VALVe is releasing this on the new engine, with some enhancements!! Well first of all, it's better than a pure direct port. Second, the engine is much easier to mod, can do complex lighting/shadows etc etc etc and you can implement the facial animations (yea i know a bunch of u are thinking dirty you pervs ;) ) etc etc

So just because VALVe doesn't want to take a year out of development to revamp everything doesn't mean we have to complain, we can mod HL1 to be HL2 quality!!!

[sublidieminal]

Valve may not make alot of profit money wise for HL1 Source but its the "thought" that counts. Now that valve can pull a nice little half assed mod out of their ass they cahrmed most of your little fanboy hearts. They achieve profit by gaining hl2 pride, which leads to more street credit of course! In the end it all leads back to getting more $$$.

[ShinRa]

I think guinny is drunk or else he's stupid.

VALVe is releasing this on the new engine, with some enhancements!! Well first of all, it's better than a pure direct port. Second, the engine is much easier to mod, can do complex lighting/shadows etc etc etc and you can implement the facial animations (yea i know a bunch of u are thinking dirty you pervs ;) ) etc etc

So just because VALVe doesn't want to take a year out of development to revamp everything doesn't mean we have to complain, we can mod HL1 to be HL2 quality!!!

Thanks for telling me everything I already know. Now when you can give me a valid reason as to why they should even release that garbage, besides the fact WE can mod it, cuz we could just start it from scratch and do it in the same time as to just revamp the "port"

[neptuneuk]

will they change any of the models dya thinks?

[sublidieminal]

No, theyre leaving that up to the mod community

[Prince of China]

You want to know what I want to see Valve finish on the Source engine?

Half-Life 2

Yeah. If Valve should complete annything, it should be that.
Half-Life: Source will be the same Half-Life with better( to some people) graphics.

[lans]

So what if it's half-assed. It's free.

Anyway - I'm not bothered too much, as long as I get HL2, I don't mind anything else source.

[Prince of China]

Okay...it's free, but Valve may be concentrating their free time on this a bit to much. Valve should concentrate on only Half-Life 2.

[Kyorisu]

Is anyone here actually a valve employee, no I don't think so. We don't know how much time and staff they are dedicating to anything.

[x84D80Yx]

no offence, but i was kinda expecting more. and i gotta say that hl1:source pic looks like ass. :x

sure go ahead and and reply with the ..

"its free"
"its unfinished"
"dont judge it by one screenshot"
"they are not changing alot of the art"
"again with the whiners"

but i really could care less. i hate to say it but i agree with guinny. (even tho his response to this pic may be a lil extreme, but he has a point to me)

it just looks garbage. and hopefully the next pics of hl:s released will look a bit better :)

go ahead and flame away :laugh:

[ShinRa]

i agree with guinny.

im keeping this one :D

[TaBzOr]

Hi.
The texture quality seems HORRIBLE! :angry:
AND... Where is the Bump-mapping?? ;(

[PvtRyan]

no offence, but i was kinda expecting more. and i gotta say that hl1:source pic looks like ass. :x

sure go ahead and and reply with the ..

"its free"
"its unfinished"
"dont judge it by one screenshot"
"they are not changing alot of the art"
"again with the whiners"

but i really could care less. i hate to say it but i agree with guinny. (even tho his response to this pic may be a lil extreme, but he has a point to me)

it just looks garbage. and hopefully the next pics of hl:s released will look a bit better :)

go ahead and flame away :laugh:

Let me add one to the list:

"It was never claimed it would look much better, we knew a long time ago that the changes would be very subtle, only if your expectations were high then this could have been a disappointment."

[Scapegoat]

Let me add one to the list:

"It was never claimed it would look much better, we knew a long time ago that the changes would be very subtle, only if your expectations were high then this could have been a disappointment."

Yup, PvtRyan's right, they've always said that it would be a direct port, no new models or anything - just differences between the physics and lighting and shader effects. Gabe even said that if people wanted a huge visual change then they should wait for a mod team to unofficial recreate the game (where are those people?).

[arx]

Looks nice, but i think it's too bright in there - they should make lights darken.

[FragBait0]

he texture quality seems HORRIBLE!
Well, that would be because it's the original HL1 content throw through a different renderer...
AND... Where is the Bump-mapping??
Again..its the same stuff on a different renderer...so where are the bump/normal maps going to come from?

It's painful when n00bs can't read a thread. More so when regulars can't either...I don't have a problem with newbies, just n00bs. n00bs being newbies that are excessivly dumb.
/flames

Really, I have to say, why are Valve bothering? *If* it is the final sort of image we are going to see then I think Valve should leave it to the modders. They'll get it right. Or they won't bother :)
The entire mood of the scene is wrecked. Bad or good graphics.

And, please, get over the "graphics" thing people. It won't kill _you_ if it's not uber leetie 9800XT killing stuff.... What about the gameplay? Huh? You forgot what it means? I thought so.

Spare frames in HL1 -> AA and AF.
Bet you can't run HL2 with 6xAA and 16xAF!