Combine says: Man Down! [Archive] - Halflife2.net Forums

brettt

30-07-2003, 07:14 PM

I was listening to Trap town again, and in the part where Gordon shoots the wood support the holds the beam of steel and it crushes all the Combine lads. One of the combine yells out "Man down!" but it sounds all creepy and alien like. Maybe its because of the mask or something like that. But I found it interesting.

What do you lads think?

SnowBall

30-07-2003, 07:16 PM

Been discussed, and I have a thory those dudes arent the combine. I think they are the police force.
EDIT- BTW, did the grunts in the first Half-Life sound at all human? :D Have a nice day.

Lobster

30-07-2003, 07:17 PM

My crazy theory is the manhacks acctully attach themselves to the spinal cord of humans similar to headcrabs and control the host, in a slightly more ordered mechanical way.

But yeh, If you listen at the beggining of trap town (fade in) you can hear some distant radio chatter, nice and Half-Life-Esque

Peks

30-07-2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by SnowBall
Been discussed, and I have a thory those dudes arent the combine. I think they are the police force.
EDIT- BTW, did the grunts in the first Half-Life sound at all human? :D Have a nice day.

the grunts over the radio sound like really pissed off, 6'4" 250 lbs black dude with a whippin' stick

Axyon

30-07-2003, 07:21 PM

Didn't anyone notice the Combine soldier talk in the hydra video? Just before he gets impaled, he says "Hold it there" quite clearly.

30-07-2003, 07:21 PM

I heard it too. but still the AI is not very advanced...

do you agree?:cheers:

SnowBall

30-07-2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Gorgon
I heard it too. but still the AI is not very advanced...

do you agree?:cheers: What does that have to do with their voices? :confused:

30-07-2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Abom|nation
Didn't anyone notice the Combine soldier talk in the hydra video? Just before he gets impaled, he says "Hold it there" quite clearly.

Very dam excellent....I loved that..:cool:

30-07-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by SnowBall
What does that have to do with their voices? :confused:

its not the sound, dud....

its the way they r moving, it a bit odd, check again the video.

:dozey:

brettt

30-07-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Gorgon
I heard it too. but still the AI is not very advanced...

do you agree?:cheers:

Are you confused!?!?!!?!:eek:

Peks

30-07-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Gorgon
I heard it too. but still the AI is not very advanced...

do you agree?:cheers:

no one knows how advanced the AI is, for all we know the ai in the e3 vid could have been adjusted to make gameplay easier.

droper

30-07-2003, 07:26 PM

ai is as advanced as it will get on any game for the time being. ai takes a lot of cpu and memory time and space when done in groups which is the hardest. I thought it was rather decent but those hydras and striders ai is really cool that some advanced stuff for games.

Axyon

30-07-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Peks
no one knows how advanced the AI is, for all we know the ai in the e3 vid could have been adjusted to make gameplay easier.

That's actually what we do know, Gabe said it so himself.

30-07-2003, 07:30 PM

I got you now. thanks .:cool:

DizConnected

30-07-2003, 08:10 PM

One thing I was wondering about is why the combine didn't follow him up the stairs? He blocked the door with the table and one combine started shooting through the window and Gordon went and hid behind the washer, then another combine kicks open the door, table flew across the room, Gordon runs up the stairs but the combine don't follow? They had plenty of time to catch up with him while he was dodging bullets coming in the window and pulling the radiator grill off the wall to throw at the combine at the top of the stairs by the soda machine.

brettt

30-07-2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by DizConnected
One thing I was wondering about is why the combine didn't follow him up the stairs? He blocked the door with the table and one combine started shooting through the window and Gordon went and hid behind the washer, then another combine kicks open the door, table flew across the room, Gordon runs up the stairs but the combine don't follow? They had plenty of time to catch up with him while he was dodging bullets coming in the window and pulling the radiator grill off the wall to throw at the combine at the top of the stairs by the soda machine.

when he is watching the combine in the trap place on the roof you can here them trying to get up the stairs.

Nostradamus

30-07-2003, 09:03 PM

the AI was adjusted for the e3 video... other than that...get back to the topic please :)

I don't think the combine is alien...mabe humans that have been tmade tests on or something like that(therefore the gas-masks)

RabidMeatloaf

30-07-2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by SnowBall
Been discussed, and I have a thory those dudes arent the combine. I think they are the police force.
EDIT- BTW, did the grunts in the first Half-Life sound at all human? :D Have a nice day.

I loved they way they talked.

Sometimes when you would throw a gernade at 'em they'd say "OH SH-T!"

And of course there's always "WE GOT HOSTILES!" And "WE GOT FREEMAN!"

I though the soldeirs were really rather funny.:cheers: :cheese:

DimitriPopov

30-07-2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Gorgon
I heard it too. but still the AI is not very advanced...

do you agree?:cheers:

Gorgon: A troll who should be banned.

Im not going to argue with you over this because you have no valid points.

30-07-2003, 11:00 PM

Gorgon stop being a little punk. :dozey:

30-07-2003, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Nostradamus
the AI was adjusted for the e3 video... other than that...get back to the topic please :)

I don't think the combine is alien...mabe humans that have been tmade tests on or something like that(therefore the gas-masks)

maybe they arent gas masks, maybe they help them breathe our air?

30-07-2003, 11:04 PM

[I'm warning you, cut the profanities]

30-07-2003, 11:13 PM

lmao, how old are you? 12?

brettt

30-07-2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by eyesore
lmao, how old are you? 12?

LMAO!! ROFL! LOL! and please stop spamming my thread. lets say on topic! :cool:

I also thought it was odd that they bleed red blood. hmm. Maybe is a cross breed between a Xen and a Human. Or the combine sucks in humans and transfers DNA into and creates the Combine soldiers. Like the caste system...I think? :eek:

Goddamn Freeman

30-07-2003, 11:39 PM

That bit with the hydra, the combine jumps down using the wall to support his weight! seems pretty damned advanced to me kiddo!

Masks= hide faces + breathing

Combine= v. cool alien/human hybrids (combine= a combination no?), hopefully with squiggly tentacles or summat :borg:

Manhacks= Fzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

LoneDeranger

30-07-2003, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by SnowBall
Been discussed, and I have a thory those dudes arent the combine. I think they are the police force.
EDIT- BTW, did the grunts in the first Half-Life sound at all human? :D Have a nice day.

The police force IS the combine! They just come in two versions, one heavily armoured. Kind of like a SWAT team.

I don't know why people always get confused over this.

30-07-2003, 11:43 PM

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Goddamn Freeman

30-07-2003, 11:48 PM

Gorgon man, you're just being offensive so shut up.

EDIT: -ah, thanks whoever edited him

symptom

31-07-2003, 12:02 AM

I agree, Gorgon should definately be banned from these forums. I've seen enough of his double posting senseless bitching and slander in the past few days.

Anyway, I really like the way the way the Combine soldiers sound. Like someone mentioned, it's kind of alien-like. I don't see what any of this has to do with AI, though.

Tull91

31-07-2003, 12:41 AM

Well, you don't actually prove them wrong with your replys...Anyways, in HL1, did we hear the soldiers saying it or did we hear it over the radio? (HEV radio on their frequensy ur sumthin') I seem to remember hearing their voices long before I entered the room...

SnowBall

31-07-2003, 12:43 AM

Who knows. Mayb they all just had a frog stuck in their throat.

Tommmo

31-07-2003, 12:47 AM

I believe that the soldiers voices were heard over some sort of radio system, presumably the handheld sort of radios they carry that you can see on the Opposing Force loading screen. I'm pretty sure it was from the Grunts radios as the voices had varying volumes according to the distance of the grunt as far as I can remember. Thats what made it all the more cool when you were creeping through a warehouse and heard a 'Move..Out!' blast in your left ear.

Flyingdebris

31-07-2003, 05:02 AM

I remember the first time i heard marine radio chatter in hl1...creeped the hell out of me. When i first got the game i had heard all about the advanced AI, so when i first heard

"I hear something" or "squad, quiet down" i'd just stop in my tracks and move slowly.

I learned to fear "fire in the hole -tink-"

The combine soldiers aside from having that little flat line noise and a more or less humanish voice, seem to sometimes have a staticy garble to their voices when they make their pain noise, like the guy who caught fire in tunnels and a few other occasions. This may be thanks to the gas mask but it could also be cause they might not be entirely human as previously suggested.

I'm willing to bet though that they are mostly human cause if you look at the black and white concept art for the combine soldier you can see very human tufts of hair poking out of the back of his mask.

Also i must say that the first combine dude in traptown did in fact teleport in. after the box gets manipulator chucked and the player and starts moving his screen towards the door on the left you see in the ditance a combine soldier pop into existance and fall down a foot before running towards the player.

Dr. Freeman

31-07-2003, 07:08 AM

i too found the voice of the recons over the radio funny :)

when i was messing around a few times.. it got quite hilareous with the grenades :)

Originally posted by Flyingdebris
"I hear something" or "squad, quiet down" i'd just stop in my tracks and move slowly.

I learned to fear "fire in the hole -tink-"

heheheh too funny :)

so hopefully they continue with what they did in HL1 with HL2.. i wanna hear some panic-ed combines! muhahahah :devil:

zdub

31-07-2003, 07:58 AM

he just keeps digging himself a deeper hole, its funny.

anyways When someone commented on why the combine did'nt run up the stairs I have somewhat of an arguement. its possible that once the combine know gordon is in the house (after he blocks the door) they radio eachother and set up a parimeter (at least this is what i concluded) you notice that as Gordon approches the window after climbing the stairs there is a combine right outside the window and he starts shooting almost instantly, like he knows your there.

however
1)the parimeter the gaurds set up could just be scripted there but its known so far that valve doesnt use scripted scenes often cause they like to show off their AI.

2)it might not be a parimeter at all, could be just coincidence that it looks that way.

3)could be the gaurd was just dropped there and reacted quickly. But i dont believe this to much cause he started shooting so suddenly like he was informed you were tehre...then again could be computer cheating. but i doubt the devs would sink that low :)

Axyon

31-07-2003, 12:46 PM

They could have also radioed the guy at top of the stairs, by the drinks machine, saying that Gordon was incoming - they thought he could handle Gordon, so didn't proceed to follow him.

But hey, the AI was off, so I don't know if that would be correct or not.

EVIL

31-07-2003, 12:50 PM

the AI was not off. the AI was only off at the barney video and the bugbait video

Axyon

31-07-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by EVIL
the AI was not off. the AI was only off at the barney video and the bugbait video

How do you know? I'd hope the AI was off for Traptown, becuase their reactions were very sluggish for the swinging beam.

EVIL

31-07-2003, 01:11 PM

the attacking was pretty good in the trapdown video, but the defending was poor. i think you are able to turn off and on diffrent features of the AI

edit.. whow.. cool, a bit more orange in the skin

Axyon

31-07-2003, 01:12 PM

I'd say that was right, yeah. The attacking AI triggered the guards to attempt to open the door Freeman had locked.. etc.

Goddamn Freeman

31-07-2003, 06:50 PM

I hope the combine do that thing where you have to pull your shirt towards your mouth (with radio attached) to talk to it. that would look so cool.

Aaaanyway, why would they need breathing aparatus on all the time if they were human? If they dont use gas at all in the game and we find they are human, i'm gonna be well peeved cos it'd just be daft.

Combine= combination of human and alien, not just a cool name

Impute

31-07-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Abom|nation
How do you know? I'd hope the AI was off for Traptown, becuase their reactions were very sluggish for the swinging beam.

If you did not know that the beam could come swinging down, then all of a sudden you hear shots from the roof. YOu look and BAM... Whacked from behind. Sluggish. Heck, I would have never though of that beam even moving...

And I do not think that one combine "teleported in" in the traps movie. The player 'shot' a barrel into that direction making a lot of noise. So that combine went to investigate. Just my opion. Or thoughs.

Did not the combine say, "Look at the guy" or something to that effect in tunnels, when that one was lit on fire?

nw909

31-07-2003, 07:00 PM

Notice the streetfight video, all of the combines point at the soldiers even when their close together, it looks kind of stupid.

BWMASTER

31-07-2003, 07:04 PM

He said "hold it there" I beleive.

Also Gabe mentioned in the latest interview at gamespy that you can go through the levels in any way you want.

You could play rambo and kill evereything that's moving with guns and stuff.

Or you could play smart and use the physics to your advantage. The beam is a perfect example. Blocking the door with a table, crouching next to the door so it blocks the door, using the radiator, block the window with a paintcan or something (lol), etc.

OMG I CAN'T WAIT FOR HL2 NOW!!!