CS:S showcase in Seoul

[nadomola]

I came back from CS:S showcase in Seoul a few minutes ago. So far, it was a fair event with a little new stuffs to see, more frankly "Sourced" de_dust2, a match between two clans - which was ended as a deathmatch-style game that you can see in any pub server -, and, finally, a chance to play CS:S for myself.

There was no Q/A session or whatsoever between the people from Valve and the attendance except a boring say-Hi moment by three key persons from Valve at the early of the event. So far, Jeff Cliff was the only one who almost got a standing-ovation but there was actually no one stood up, somehow he got some applause from the attendance unlike other two dudes from valve, sorry dudes~.

After the match by two Korean clans, on already-well-revealed de_aztec and the fresh de_dust2 with Source-powered graphics, I luckily had a chance to play CS:S for a few minutes on de_aztec. My impression? I must say that it isn't really different from the way you would feel while you're playing current CS. New physics and graphics are obviously improved, but it wasn't really enough to make me shock in awe. As Jeff Cliff said a few days ago, for now, it's just a CS with a new engine;no try to be CS2.

The physics in CS:S seems to be a little exaggerated. For example, when you step on small objects like cans, they pop up 2 or 3 meters from the ground. Yeah, it looks cool and fresh and adds realism to the game but it looked like they are overreacted. It's too bad that no one in the two clans tried to do a boosting. Somehow, I guess, there's a restriction on the so-called boosting. I tried to step on a barrel for at least 1 or 1 1/2 second but it was in vain. If I was right, perhaps you wouldn't see the boosting any longer in CS:S, which might affect the strategy and tactics of current CS1.6.

The graphic, of course, is absolutely excellent. I think the new de_dust2 is the map that can show the real power of Source. I took some photos of the map but most of them were taken improperly due to the nature of CS; fast-paced action. The photo I linked below is the best one among them. I'm pretty sure that the screenshots with the better quality will be released soon. Consider it as a small teaser before you actually taste it. Oh, I should mention that the two nice-looking APCs are added at the CT's spawn of de_aztec.

http://myhome.hanafos.com/~dream111/de_korea/css_dust2.jpg

Overall, the playable version of CS:S I played today was just a game in develop. You can only choose one model from Terrorists and Counter-Terrorists. There is a missing weapon, automatic shotgun, and a missing animation I found out, the reloading animation of double berettas. If you use radio messages, you can't switch your weapons for some time like 10 seconds. Bunny-hopping seems to be harder or even impossible. The body falls with the same animation no matter where the bullets hit the body - this could be false. CS:S were run by PCs with x800 and fat spec, but they were not run smoothly sometimes. As a GeForce2gts user, this ain't a good news. Bah. I hope, and believe, the final version of CS:S will be polished completely without any bugs I found out today.

Consequently, I say today's CS:S playable version looks good. I can't call it an albatross, but it could be a birdie or an eagle. I'm looking forward to seeing the completed CS:S soon, hopefully this fall as Gave said.

ps. Cliff looked like a celebrity today. Girls were busy to take photo with him. omg~

[Axyon]

Nice report, but I think you linked your picture incorrectly. I'll newspost it once you fix that shot :)

[nadomola]

Hm..please try the link in CSnation. I originally posted it there and checked the link and it worked. Somehow it doesn't work here. Weird..-_-

EDIT: I fixed the link. Hope you can see it. :D

[Maxi]

Nice post, glad someone was there :)

[Axyon]

Hm..please try the link in CSnation. I originally posted it there and checked the link and it worked. Somehow it doesn't work here. Weird..-_-

EDIT: I fixed the link. Hope you can see it. :DThat's better, thanks!

[Xyfo]

Still only movable objects has shadows like those barrels in that picture but the boxes don't have shadow at all. I really hope that they fix it or atleast make those boxes weight 100 tons so they will cast shadow but wont move.

[Some_God]

Im worried that what you said about the uber comp you used to play CS:S with lagged.... I have a Ti4200.... :( I guess CS 1.6 is the way to go.

[Shuzer]

Glad to hear it still feels the same as CS, which is what most people want.

As for all those other bugs, that sounds odd, considering we saw the auto shotgun in the latest CS:S video, and it had a working model.

[nadomola]

Just a few more things to add...Some of them could be false...So plz don't flame me. :p

1. You can see how many(and what kind) grenades a player has in spectate mode, but it's attached to the body with weird angle.

2. When you got flashbanged, you CANT shoot and hear noisy sound. It resembles the effect of Rainbow6:Raven Shield.

3. Water splash looks cool as you know, but its size is always same no matter what weapon(or bullet) you use to splash it up.

4. The delay of AWP seems to be shorter than that of CS1.6.

5. C4 doesn't disappear when it's defused.

6. If you jump down to the water from the high place, your ankles will be alright even with the new physics. Hm..-_-

That's all for now. :D

[Shuzer]

If they changed the shallow pool of water jumps, I'd kill everyone. I'm glad that's still in.

[Play4Fun]

4. The delay of AWP seems to be shorter than that of CS1.6.Oh Yeah!!! :bounce: :bounce:
5. C4 doesn't disappear when it's defused.
Nice!! :E
6. If you jump down to the water from the high place, your ankles will be alright even with the new physics. Hm..-_-
:|

BTW, 10x for the info!! :thumbs: oh, and nice pic of D2 :E

[nadomola]

WTH...no matter you like it or not, I will post the SUPER-blurring pictures of dust2. As I said before, plz just take these as an appetizer. :D

http://myhome.hanafos.com/~dream111/de_korea/cliff.jpg
http://myhome.hanafos.com/~dream111/de_korea/dust2_b.jpg
http://myhome.hanafos.com/~dream111/de_korea/dust2_ctspawn.jpg
http://myhome.hanafos.com/~dream111/de_korea/dust2_tspawn.jpg
http://myhome.hanafos.com/~dream111/de_korea/lovelyplayablecss.jpg

[pk1209]

didnt i see the automatic shotgun model in the german cs source videos? sure its there on havana and cobble. thanks for the info so... dont think i like the idea of not being able to shoot while blind... not exactly "realistic"

[^Thomas^]

nadomola, did they say anything about bot support? Doug said multiplayer only in he`s interview, but Cliffe said that the current plan was to add CS bot.

[Pauly]

nadomola, great job! Sounds like more and more info about hl2 and cs:s are flowing! Release sounds pretty imminent(gold finish must be soon)

[riTuaL]

I sure hope they fix this stuff quickly, I want CS:S so bad lol.

[nadomola]

nadomola, did they say anything about bot support? Doug said multiplayer only in he`s interview, but Cliffe said that the current plan was to add CS bot.

As I stated at the early of my post, the spectators including myself were not really provided with any official statement, announcement, or presentation from the Cliff and Co.

Actually, before the event I participated in, there was also a session which was restrictly open only to professional reporters and cyber cafe representatives. They might be told something that you'd like to hear; however, I myself am not a reporter nor a representative of a cyber-cafe, so I didn't hear anything about business.

[nadomola]

You can find additional info(of course with screenshots and MOVIE files, too) at this link. This is a Korean website so please don't panic even if you see a new language. :)

http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php

PLZ DO NOT DIRECTLY LINK THE ADDRESS OF PHOTOS OR MOVIES IN THIS PAGE!!!
Please use the above link to spread out the information.

ps. In CS:S, you can stab or shoot bodies to "entertain". -_-

special thx goes to Seaofp of Narics. :D

[Wsh]

Cool! Thank's a lot nadomola!

Cool Korean menu too =p

[marksmanHL2 :)]

You can find additional info(of course with screenshots and MOVIE files, too) at this link. This is a Korean website so please don't panic even if you see a new language. :)

http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php

PLZ DO NOT DIRECTLY LINK THE ADDRESS OF PHOTOS OR MOVIES IN THIS PAGE!!!
Please use the above link to spread out the information.

ps. In CS:S, you can stab or shoot bodies to "entertain". -_-

special thx goes to Seaofp of Narics. :D

Hey, thanks for all the info and stuff, but do you think you could dirrect me to these screenshots and movies because i dont stand a chance of navigating there myself

[Wsh]

Hey, thanks for all the info and stuff, but do you think you could dirrect me to these screenshots and movies because i dont stand a chance of navigating there myself
They are all on the same page. Just click the link and scroll down a bit ;/ to me they load very slowly though (distance to server).

[Shuzer]

Hey, thanks for all the info and stuff, but do you think you could dirrect me to these screenshots and movies because i dont stand a chance of navigating there myself

They're on that very page he linked to.. lol

[Hazar]

(distance to server).


Distance usually doesn't matter as long as the server is fast and has a good connection.

[Cybernoid]

So far, Jeff Cliff was the only one who almost got a standing-ovation but there was actually no one stood up, somehow he got some applause from the attendance unlike other two dudes from valve, sorry dudes~.
ps. Cliff looked like a celebrity today. Girls were busy to take photo with him. omg~

I'm an idiot!

[blindvomit]

Damn I see they kept that goofy butter knife....

[DeltaBlast]

woo! dancing chicks! O_o

[riTuaL]

Wow those movies are amazing..holy sh..

[A|2SENIC]

Why the hell do they have girls dancing at a counter-strike source exhibition?!

[Shuzer]

Why the hell do they have girls dancing at a counter-strike source exhibition?!

Why not!? :) Dancing girls are a welcome addition to anything

[grecco_diego]

where'r the movies to download =[

[Shuzer]

where'r the movies to download =[

The bottom of the page here:

http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php


Edit:

nadomola, can you tell me if you can see your own shadow? I notice that the HLTV spectator can see the players shadow when they're in first person.. I take it you can see your own shadow when playing too? Check the attachment

Edit 2: nm, I can definitely see you can see your own shadow.. that's a welcome addition :)

These videos are awesome.. lol

[Vidrio]

Its good to see its coming along nicely.. the've got a good month and a bit to finish it at least :)


excellent screenies... downloading the movies now..

[grecco_diego]

Can you guys see? There are FPS slow downs in de_aztec. I hope it's optimized with patches (It takes time to fix everything)

[grecco_diego]

Where is the exact link for the download. I'm trying to find it since 1 hour ago.

[Gunner]

Great pics! Thanks for sharing :D

[genocide604]

Those videos are tight, i cant wait to play the final version of cs:s.

[BerserkForces]

WoW! These screenies are great, thanks for info nadomola.

[cenmocay]

download the videos ....how ?

[Lep]

download the videos ....how ?
They auto-played in my window, so I don't know if its possible to save em.

[Play4Fun]

u can save them!! I did it!

btw, can I post a link 2 the vids??

EDIT : PLZ DO NOT DIRECTLY LINK THE ADDRESS OF PHOTOS OR MOVIES IN THIS PAGE!!!

why can't I?? :\

[Aphal]

From these impressions it seems like Valve is holding HL2 back just so they can release CS:S at the same time. Why would it take 3+ months just to polish HL2?

[Dementor]

Simply put wow :) Damn how on earth am I gonna be able to wait for that

[GhostBoi]

Man I can't wait for CS:S now. The physics don't seem to add a lot to CS gameplay, but it sure does look cool! :bounce:

[PvtRyan]

Good news is that there seems to be a form of HDR present in the movies. It looks like the screen brightness adjusts itself when entering an area with a significantly different light exposure. Like when you're in a dark room the outside seems really bright and visa versa.

Or this could also be caused by the camera, but it didn't look like that.

Can you confirm whether or not this is true nadomola?

Overall.. the movies look good, it looks like a nice new fresh start for cs with hopefully new additions in the future.

In case merc drops in: did you notice too that there is only one model for each team?

[lans]

Like the fact that we have our own shadow - I sure hope Gordon has his own too in HL2, but highly unlikely.

[BHC]

thanks nodolma you made my day with that stab/shoot bodies comment! \o/!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ralfst3r]

Looks awesome, only those shouting Korean people annoy me :cool:

[pk1209]

am i the only who doesnt see any movies, links or otherwise?

/me goes of to brush up on his korean...

[Shuzer]

am i the only who doesnt see any movies, links or otherwise?

* pk1209 goes of to brush up on his korean...


http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php

Long load.

[pk1209]

i loaded that up, but i still dont see a movie, or a link to one...

[FISKER_Q]

2. When you got flashbanged, you CANT shoot and hear noisy sound. It resembles the effect of Rainbow6:Raven Shield.

You can't shoot? Wouldn't that be a bad idea if the flashbangs stack?


also on http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php
There is some pictures with some text on it, like 2002 06 12. And then korean letters, could you translate those?

[Shuzer]

You can't shoot? Wouldn't that be a bad idea if the flashbangs stack?


also on http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php
There is some pictures with some text on it, like 2002 06 12. And then korean letters, could you translate those?

I believe he means you can't hear anything while FBed.

[ThomasToad]

We are asking HOW do you download the movies, for me they only play in a window, am i just retarded???

[Shuzer]

For whatever reason, he requests that we not direct-link the movies. However, if you head over to http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php and view the source, you can easily nab the URL for the embedded wmv

[nw909]

lol, the videos don't even play for me, wtf.

[ThomasToad]

Shuzer is right you just have to do view source of the webpage and you can find the .wmv files there are two of them. The movies are very cool and show off a lot more than we have seen so far, although they are fairly bad quality.

[cenmocay]

Please i need fast links for the 2 Videos :cool:

[ThomasToad]

http://ndownload.narics.net/file/media/cs_source_kor_NARICS.wmv

http://ndownload.narics.net/file/media/cs_source_NARICS2.wmv

Here are the links for everyone.

[Soundwave]

looks good

[evil^milk]

They played "Sensucht" by Rammstein in vid #2 :) I liked that

[cenmocay]

http://ndownload.narics.net/file/media/cs_source_kor_NARICS.wmv

http://ndownload.narics.net/file/media/cs_source_NARICS2.wmv

Here are the links for everyone.

First Video is only 25 sec long ?

[FISKER_Q]

my first video is only like 1 or 2 seconds long. Although it reports 10 minutes.

Something is wrong with TEH server.

Edit: It's fixed again, for now.

[pk1209]

13 mins for first one, 10 min for second...

[Joeyslucky22]

yeah someone find a better host..

no offense but korean sites suck.

[nadomola]

Good news is that there seems to be a form of HDR present in the movies. It looks like the screen brightness adjusts itself when entering an area with a significantly different light exposure. Like when you're in a dark room the outside seems really bright and visa versa.

Or this could also be caused by the camera, but it didn't look like that.

Can you confirm whether or not this is true nadomola?



Hm...I'm not sure of it. Probably not. Just a speculation, though. Sorry. -_-

[Johan_Tayn]

Mirror to all screenshots I have seen, plus some videos- www.files.third-core.org/cs-source

If I am infringing in any way by posting any of these photo/videos, please let me know at johan (at) third-core (dot) org.

Edit: please link me to any pics or videos I may have missed and I'll put them up.

[Lobster]

Hm...I'm not sure of it. Probably not. Just a speculation, though. Sorry. -_-

I doubt u could ever see HDR on a shakey cam video, nearly all cases ive seen the cam lags when theres a sudden light change and u get a sharp decrease or increase in brightness, its just an artifact, not that HDR is a drasticly important feature.

[nadomola]

also on http://narics.net/cs.source/showcase.php
There is some pictures with some text on it, like 2002 06 12. And then korean letters, could you translate those?

It's acutally nothing special. It says "2002 06 12 version 1.5 upgarde". That's it.

[Lobster]

Looks like they were doing a history of Counterstrike type thing

[nadomola]

EDIT: Ops, it's back. -_-

[fuzzy_aus]

Crazy stuff. I just wish VALVE would give us this kinda information in good quality on good websites with good servers. We get all our info from the weirdest places. Why not update HL2.com with binks and stuff. Ah well.

[Shuzer]

Crazy stuff. I just wish VALVE would give us this kinda information in good quality on good websites with good servers. We get all our info from the weirdest places. Why not update HL2.com with binks and stuff. Ah well.

Two words:

Doug Lombardi

Hope that helps ;)
Haha, just kidding, we love you Doug.. even if you are the whackiest PR guy ever

[Fallout]

Funny how Korea is considered the easiest to exploit gaming country now. Give them a few dancers, a few kids who all have the same "I have a cool American haircut because it looks like I didn't comb my hair!", and a few words from the developers about a port of a five year old game.

Personally, I don't know why they'd give Cliffe a half-assed standing ovation. What he did for CS was extremely limited compared to Gooseman and the Valve team.

[craig]

good info, thanks.

[Bakurei]

WoW, Awsome news!

[patto]

Damn I see they kept that goofy butter knife....

Goofy butter knife? What do you expect a special forces dude to carry? A sword?

[fuzzy_aus]

I think they should carry...A KATANA!!!

Anyway, those Vids are nice, I'm _really_ looking forward to this game. Perhaps even as much as HL2! "He's crazy" i hear you say, but no, im not. Think about it. Singleplayer games are fun, but they are only 20 hours of solo entertainment. MP is where its at. Hundreds upon hundreds of hours spent shooting up friends and random people. HL2 will be fun, but its games like cs:s that I will be playing for the majority of the time.

[wibblemonster]

Funny how Korea is considered the easiest to exploit gaming country now. Give them a few dancers, a few kids who all have the same "I have a cool American haircut because it looks like I didn't comb my hair!", and a few words from the developers about a port of a five year old game.

Personally, I don't know why they'd give Cliffe a half-assed standing ovation. What he did for CS was extremely limited compared to Gooseman and the Valve team.

truesay...

[DelaZ]

http://users.skynet.be/fuse/cssource.wmv

[un0x]

http://users.skynet.be/fuse/cssource.wmv

this is the seoul footage?

[H2HSnake]

according to the oryginal post they are in mid developement.So that means we can expect HL2 in september.That's depresing,or if they're fast in august.If they'll manage to fix all bugs and makes all models and anims for one month.Maybe they're lasy.they should work day and night to get this game on august.They have so many talented people in team.They should've finished it right now. :/

[disruptioN_]

How about a video with the dancing Korean chicks? :)

[Gunner]

Goofy butter knife? What do you expect a special forces dude to carry? A sword?

No, he expects the model to look better, such as this one: http://www.csnation.net/skins/view_skin.php?id=5026

I agree with him, the knife is lame and looks like it's been dipped in hot butter.

[evil^milk]

I liked the way strafing and running were implemented, along with that part in the videos where there's this terrorist who kicks a tire and another object and demonstrates the awesome physics :)

[lans]

I think it's incredibly stupid of valve to conduct something like in korea anyway - I mean the main audience of counterstrike are Americans (according to the steam survey), why didn't they do it there? they'd been well recieved too.

[Dile]

Can someone give me a decent link to those videos or show me how to save them?

EDIT: Nevermind: http://www.hardwired.hu/dl.hw?id=2413&dl=1 (fast)

[Shuzer]

I think it's incredibly stupid of valve to conduct something like in korea anyway - I mean the main audience of counterstrike are Americans (according to the steam survey), why didn't they do it there? they'd been well recieved too.

It's been mentioned before, South Korea is a very large gaming hub. Some of the best players in alot of games come from there.. there's no reason why they should've held it in America, they already hold most things in America. They need a little more widespread coverage

[Gunner]

I think it's incredibly stupid of valve to conduct something like in korea anyway - I mean the main audience of counterstrike are Americans (according to the steam survey), why didn't they do it there? they'd been well recieved too.

I'm not a marketing rep but I think promoting the game outside of the main audience is a good thing, don't you?

Besides like Shuzer said, Korea has a large proportion of competitive gamers - not only counterstrike but RTS games as well (hint: starcraft).

[BigBen]

an other link to the seoul footage: http://planethl2.net/patches.php?release_id=98
have fun :)

[un0x]

an other link to the seoul footage: http://planethl2.net/patches.php?release_id=98
have fun :)

tnx for the fast mirror :)

[blindvomit]

No, he expects the model to look better, such as this one: http://www.csnation.net/skins/view_skin.php?id=5026

I agree with him, the knife is lame and looks like it's been dipped in hot butter.

Yeah thanks man, that's a good knife, I still think they should have kept the 1.5 knife though, with the 1.6 knife it looks like your going hunting for elephants.

[Iced_Eagle]

nice vids! looks like the engine bugs are out of the way, or enough of them to show the engine publically in real-time and not worry about crashing too much :) Thats good news

[dassbaba]

i'm not suprised from the report

CS is going to be much much better, but it aint no CS 2