What is so hard about getting guns correct in CS? [Archive]

SIGbastard

31-05-2004, 08:24 AM

Venmoch

31-05-2004, 11:29 AM

Uh, dude, No offence but you may be reading into CS a little too much.

CS isn't meant to be total realism, Just Semi-Realism.

Bio

31-05-2004, 12:33 PM

Why the **** do you care its only CS.

Kyorisu

31-05-2004, 02:54 PM

It's a game.

IchI

31-05-2004, 03:03 PM

It's a game.

well said :P

CS isn't even suposed to be realistic. Fire a real weapon then notice how stupid cs is.

Mr. Redundant

31-05-2004, 03:32 PM

CS isn't even suposed to be realistic. Fire a real weapon then notice how stupid cs is.

exactly, if they wanted CS to have realistic weapons it could have been easily achieved, however doing so would affect gameplay, then it wouldnt be CS would it?

Im sure a mod will come along that has realistic weapons and such pretty soon... with Hl2 coming out I think we are going to see a ton of different ideas (hopefuly) come to fruition.

play TS, it owns.

edit: Sig, if your a huge gun nut (for real, not just claiming to be one), you should scour the net and find a mod team that is doing something that you are interested in, then join their forums and (without being arrogant) either offer your services as a realism supervisor, or just provide solid input to the team.

Cylleruion2012

31-05-2004, 03:35 PM

The Arctic Winter Magnum will not kill you instantly in real life if it shoots you in the foot.

Bitch about that, like everyone else does, instead of what kind of ammo the guns use.

AAAAND yes, The Specialists is the best mod for HL IMHO. Even though in 2.1 they made mega jump a pickup *sob*

slinter

31-05-2004, 03:37 PM

cs? whats cs?

Chris_D

31-05-2004, 03:37 PM

What on earth gave you the idea CS was supposed to be realistic?

Mr. Redundant

31-05-2004, 03:38 PM

..
AAAAND yes, The Specialists is the best mod for HL IMHO. Even though in 2.1 they made mega jump a pickup *sob*

well I was happy about that, before I would always freaking end up superjumping when I meant to do a flying jump kick.
hehe

cs? whats cs?

CS= Colon-Shift.

Kyorisu

31-05-2004, 04:04 PM

TS is really good.

Which just reminded me to reinstall it.

Cylleruion2012

31-05-2004, 04:06 PM

is slinter serious? do you really not know what CS is?

God, how I'd love to be you.

Kyorisu

31-05-2004, 04:25 PM

play TS, it owns.

I'm going to build several churches in your honour for reminding me about TS. A 2min round against my brother Adam was awesome.

Cylleruion2012

31-05-2004, 04:38 PM

I'm going to build several churches in your honour for reminding me about TS. A 2min round against my brother Adam was awesome.
What version are you playing (2.1 is the latest)? I'd like to play you sometime.

Mr. Redundant

31-05-2004, 04:42 PM

Im up for a game
e-mail: mrredundantts at mail.com (its @, but I dont want spam)

latest version using steam.

SIGbastard

31-05-2004, 04:43 PM

I don't expect the gameplay itself to be totally realistic in most games, however how hard is it to use accurate info regarding the gun models you do use?? It seems to me even a person that doesn't know anything about guns could easily produce the correct info about these guns in less than 30 min searching the internet. I'm sorry but I just think if your going to make this really cool game you should at least use accurate info about the gun models you use, especially if guns is a large focus of the game itself.

Mr. Redundant

31-05-2004, 04:44 PM

its not hard at all, however its what they chose to do.

Im still wondering why they changed all the names of the rifles into silyl little names.

Tr0n

31-05-2004, 09:20 PM

Why the hell does everyone want cs to realistic!?!?!If you want realistic go play rainbow six.

SIGbastard

31-05-2004, 09:57 PM

Why the hell does everyone want cs to realistic!?!?!If you want realistic go play rainbow six.
I never said I wanted it to be realistic. Realism would be jumping not nearly as high and dying alot faster. If your going to go through the trouble of making spec sheets for all the guns in the game it's pretty retarded if you can't even get them right as it would take minimal effort. I don't like games that are ultra realistic, but if your going to use a weapon model from a real weapon it's pretty gay IMO if you can't even do that right. That being said I love playing CS, and don't give me the argument of it not being realistic because I know that. There's absolutely no reason to fudge up the specs IMO. Once I went to H&H gun range and some dorky gamer kept asking to rent the Deagle. It was pretty ****ing hilarious watching the guy behind the counter try to figure out what a Deagle was. I always figured they changed the names for legal reasons, but obviously I have no clue.

JimmehH

31-05-2004, 10:26 PM

Isn't Deagle short for Desert Eagle?

SIGbastard

31-05-2004, 10:34 PM

Isn't Deagle short for Desert Eagle?
Yes it is, but apparantly this kid didn't know it was short for anything. He literally kept asking to rent the "Deagle". I spoke up for him eventually and said I thought he meant the Desert Eagle.

Chris_D

01-06-2004, 12:09 AM

The way the "deagle" got its name is because that's what the model file is called. It's quite annoying in CS because when the game went retail they had to change all of the weapon names. They were all correctly named in the betas.

Kirkburn

01-06-2004, 12:38 AM

Yeah, the names were changed as VALVe would have to pay to use the real gun names in an official retail product.

Chris_D

01-06-2004, 12:49 AM

Yep. Bloody liscence laws and stuff.

Farfege

01-06-2004, 02:27 AM

I agree about the origonal statement. Its little details that make the difference. BEST ONLINE GAME IN THE WORLD! I would think people would take more time on details. And for everyone that says its just a game, well, you like boys.

umop

01-06-2004, 03:57 AM

2.6ghz p4 800fsb, asus p4p800 mobo, 1G corsair twin pro series memory, ati radeon 9800pro 128 mb, 40G seagate 7200rpm hard drive, and creative labs live vaule 5.1 sound card.

Refer to my sig.

SIGbastard

01-06-2004, 07:02 AM

Refer to my sig.
I can post whatever the **** I want in my sig line. For example look at my new one. Those aren't even my specs anyways. By the way if I wanted your opinion on my sigline then I would have started a thread labled: "what ya think of my sig line?"
Now if you have anything pertaining to the actual topic then speak your part. Otherwise your opinion is neither needed nor wanted.

Ansur

01-06-2004, 08:13 AM

I'd really like CS to be more realistic (the weapon-way), as SIGbastard is saying.
You could easily do this, making it much more interesting for the gamers. Every weapon would really have its way of playing, not as it is now (ak47 just has bigger recoil, but thats it). I wouldn't go as far as they did with America's Army, though. I'd really be pissed of when I would've sneeked up to a guy and the moment I would pull the trigger, I'd hear a click meaning my darn weapon would've jammed again :)

Kirkburn

01-06-2004, 12:32 PM

SIGbastard ... actually ur not allowed to write " whatever the ****" you want in a sig line, especially if it is insulting to another member of the forum. Grow up, he was merely expressing an opinion.

Anyways, I love CS the way it is ... just updated with better sounds would be great!

Crushenator 500

01-06-2004, 12:40 PM

cs? whats cs?
err... i hope that is a joke :|

anyway, if you're serious, its a mod for halflife called counter strike.
you can find more about it on www.counter-strike.net

SIGbastard

01-06-2004, 11:16 PM

Actually I can post whatever the **** I want. I don't care if I'm banned. If I wanted I'd just create a new account with another email, or change my ip if neccessary. So yes I can. That's not to say there wouldn't be reprecussions, but there's really not much that could be done that I would care about.

SIGbastard

01-06-2004, 11:22 PM

Ames

01-06-2004, 11:23 PM

Whoa, hey calm down. If you want a CS to be realistic, just go ask Valve. Of course, there would be serious opposition to all of the changes resulting in a boycott and eventually the downfall of CS. That would lead to Valve going bankrupt (no CS = major cash loss), and ending with no more CS.

:bounce:

Kirkburn

01-06-2004, 11:29 PM

I'm merely expressing my opinion as well.
U realise that by having that immature sig Umop has won? Just thought I might point that out to you :P

That would lead to Valve going bankrupt (no CS = major cash loss), and ending with no more CS.
VALVe would go bankrupt? I think thats a little over the top, but i do agree with the rest of your post :)

SIGbastard

01-06-2004, 11:55 PM

U realise that by having that immature sig Umop has won? Just thought I might point that out to you :P

VALVe would go bankrupt? I think thats a little over the top, but i do agree with the rest of your post :)
You guys aren't even reading my posts. I never once said cs should be totally realistic. I only implied they should do a better job with the specs on the guns they use. That changes nothing about the gameplay unless you take it to mean that I mean to chenge the way the weapons fire as well. Oh and uh I wasn't trying to win anything. I simply found it annoying that somebody wanted to tell me I'm stupid for putting my old specs in my sig line. If you don't like it then don't put it in your sig line, just don't bother me about it. I was never really angered, and am still not. I don't need to "calm down" I was just trying to get a rise out of umop and then later the moderator, but it obviously didn't work. Oh and IMO it's just as immature to post something in a thread completely unrelated to the topic when the only objevtive was to "poke fun" at somebody else.

Chris_D

02-06-2004, 12:08 AM

umop: There are no rules about people having their computer specs (or anyone elses for that matter in their signatures). If we have a problem with someone's signature we'll ask them to remove it or remove it for them. You're more than entitled to your own opinion but there's no need to hijack a thread just to flame someone.

SIGbastard: Whereas having computer specs in your signature line is fine, there are still limitations on what we'll allow. We don't allow any links to inapporpriate material, excessive swearing, inapporpriate comments or offensive comments. Your signature could be categorised under the latter ones of those issues and therefore I'd like to ask you to change it.

This thread needs to go back on topic or I'll have to close.

Thanks.

Kirkburn

02-06-2004, 01:03 AM

I also apologise. Someitmes I seem to get too close into the arguements when trying to sort them out ... main thing I say is - stay happy!

Does anyone know of a list of the guns names in CS and their real names / a website that can change them to real names? I'm not sure whether I'd change them myself, but it does confuse me when people still refer to the guns by their original/real names :)

I'd love to see more realistic guns as well I s'pose. In summary:
No change to gameplay, just better graphical/sonic accuracy for the guns!

Chris_D

02-06-2004, 02:09 AM

SIGbastard

02-06-2004, 03:18 AM

The original names to the best of my knowledge:

H&K USP .45 Tactical
Glock18 Select Fire
Desert Eagle .50AE
SIG P228
FN Five-seveN
Dual Beretta Elites

Benelli M3 Super90
Benelli XM1014

AK-47
Sig SG-552 Commando
Colt M4A1 Carbine
Steyr Aug
Steyr Scout
AI Arctic Warfare/Magnum
H&K G3/SG-1 Sniper Rifle
FAMAS
SIG SG 550 Sniper
IMI Galil

H&K MP5-Navy
Steyr Tactical Machine Pistol
FN P90
Ingram MAC-10

FN M249 Para

Looks good to me except that the m4a1 is really an m4a2 (the forward assist gives this away).
Not sure about the HK G3. There are several different HK G3 sniper configurations and they all have specific names. My friend who collects HK's would know. I understand changing the names for legal reasons. The only thing that bugs me is getting the calibers messed up. I know I'm just being anal so I think I'm done with my thread.

Chris_D

02-06-2004, 04:22 AM

I could have been just as anal but I took what Kirkburn was requesting more to be the names that were originally used in CS before it went retail. Counter-Strike wise it's spot on :)

gh0st

02-06-2004, 05:19 AM

on second thought, its not worth it.

Mechagodzilla

02-06-2004, 07:07 AM

Maybe they were trying to confuse the children into not knowing the correct info about guns, in order to prevent them from hurting themselves. :)

No-one who thinks a 'deagle' is the full name of a weapon should be allowed to use one.

Lep

02-06-2004, 08:32 AM

http://www.nextwish.org/mods.php?page=gamefix/cstrike-weaponnamesfix

The nextwish name fix that came out a little while after 1.6 was released.

Kirkburn

02-06-2004, 12:28 PM

Thanks, to all, btw! :)

Mr. Redundant

02-06-2004, 07:09 PM

http://www.nextwish.org/mods.php?page=gamefix/cstrike-weaponnamesfix

The nextwish name fix that came out a little while after 1.6 was released.

if you used that, could VAC think its a cheat?

JimmehH

02-06-2004, 09:05 PM

Don't think so. It's only changing some letters in a config file somewhere. If it did, you could reinstall and plead to Valve...

Lep

03-06-2004, 12:39 AM

I don't see how its any different than changing your ingame font or models.

McFace

03-06-2004, 02:54 AM

What on earth gave you the idea CS was supposed to be realistic?

Taken from the Counter-Strike Website:

"Counter-Strike is the #1 online action game in the world. Engage in a realistic brand of counter-terrorist warfare in this popular team-based game. Take out enemy sites. Rescue hostages. Your role affects your team's success. Your team's success affects your role."

Ames

03-06-2004, 04:05 AM

As I already said, I think its realistic enough. Anymore will kill the community...

Tr0n

03-06-2004, 06:01 AM

Well this thread is going no where....They already said there gonna keep the feel and the weapons of CS the same (even tho I wish the shield was taken out).Weapon names and the way there held are gonna be the same also.Even if they do change the names....everyones gonna keep calling them by there nicks (deagle and awp).The cs community doesn't like change and if you change the game to the point to where it feels or looks weird, then everything is gonna go to hell.

Flamin-h

03-06-2004, 12:24 PM

Honestly I have no problem with the models, only some of the reloading animations look lame, I mean, with one of the sniper rifles your hands just pull out the magazine move it down a lil than shove it back in. Its probly alot easier to get custom models than get valve to change them, there are some very good ones around.

Kyorisu

03-06-2004, 03:24 PM

Cry babies

Gunner

03-06-2004, 04:31 PM

The Bear

04-06-2004, 12:33 AM

I don't know how to install custom models :(

Gunner

04-06-2004, 12:59 AM

It's easy Bear, just like before Steam: place any custom models you want in your Steam\SteamApps\accountname\counter-strike\cstrike\models folder. If you want player models goto Steam\SteamApps\accountname\counter-strike\cstrike\models\player and create a folder for each model, the names should be:

-sas\sas.mdl
-gign\gign.mdl
-gsg9\gsg9.mdl
-urban\urban.mdl
-leet\leet.mdl
-terror\terror.mdl
-arctic\arctic.mdl
-guerilla\guerilla.mdl

And remember for weapons like pistols and the knife you'll need another folder to place those p_shield_xxx.mdl and v_shield_xxx.mdl files:

Steam\SteamApps\accountname\counter-strike\cstrike\models\shield

To remove the custom skins and go back to defaults just delete the files you added.

Daegon

04-06-2004, 02:32 AM

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I found a great site on firearms. Their page on the Sig P229 is here. (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg60-e.htm)

Chris_D

04-06-2004, 03:00 AM

In CS it's a P228.

SIGbastard

04-06-2004, 06:56 AM

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I found a great site on firearms. Their page on the Sig P229 is here. (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg60-e.htm)
That's a great site for info on firearms. My next sig will be a P229, but I'm waiting for them to release the all stainless version (both frame and slide) here in the U.S. I like the added weight for quicker followup shots since the increased weight reduces muzzle flip. It does however make the gun unreasonably heavy for concealed carry. That's wear my p239 come's on though :thumbs: . I feel more than confident going out with my p239 in a milt sparks IWB holster with 7+1 rds of .357 sig and one back up mag. Oh wait I'm in the gaming forums right now. I'm probably going to be labled as a whacko gun nut now :rolling:. Oh well. Before I get flamed, I have a ccw permit so it is legal.

SIGbastard

04-06-2004, 07:15 AM

That's wear my p239 come's on though :thumbs:
Meant to say:
"That's where my p239 come's in though"
Why is editing only available for short periods of time??

SIGbastard

04-06-2004, 07:42 AM

Meant to say:
"That's where my p239 come's in though"
Why is editing only available for short periods of time??
Damnit!! I mean comes in!!!
I'm a retard whenever I sit down at a keyboard!!!

alehm

04-06-2004, 03:06 PM

Why can't they make it realistic when you get shot.

One bullet to the stomach and you just roll around in pain on the ground.

Then on maps like dust, add a thrist meter, if you dont drink water then you die.

But that wouldn't be realistic without a bladder meter... you best duck behind a box and take a leak before getting in a gun fight or you will wet your pants.

What good is a soldier who doesn't properly tie his shoe? We should all get dressed at the begining of the round. Start out butt naked. Make it more realistic. Start off in bed, get dressed and drive to work (about 30 minute drive) then you get in a plane and fly to the map (de_dust) should be about a 7-8 hour flight. Then you have 15 minutes to play the round. Sounds like fun!

Then you should have to clean your guns at the begining of each round.

Chris_D

04-06-2004, 03:19 PM

:laugh:

Yay for realism! :rolleyes:

Chris_D

04-06-2004, 03:22 PM

Meant to say:
"That's where my p239 come's in though"
Why is editing only available for short periods of time??
People often abuse it to edit out comments that moderators have put into people's posts. They also use it to make people look stupid. If you make mistakes it isn't necessary to correct yourself numerous times, I knew exactly what you meant reading your first message anyway. You only need to worry about how many mistakes you make if you do them on a constant basis. If you've already got a reputation of being quite good at spelling and grammar then it'll be easy to see you've made a simple mistake,.

Mr. Redundant

04-06-2004, 04:36 PM

naw when you get shot in CS you should have a couple hundred watts jolt through your pants.
thats realism for you
the wetting your pants part is up to you.

Edcrab

04-06-2004, 10:32 PM

Meh, said it once, said it three-hundred and fourteen times, CS isn't a realistic game.

Time to live with daft firearm allocation alongside unrealistic damage and even less likely scenarios (although, I'm sorry to tell all the whiners, that "camping" would happen in a real counter-terrorism situation; some sieges last weeks).

I'm just hoping that HL2, likely as it is to prompt CS clones, nurtures slightly more bearable variations.

Tr0n

05-06-2004, 01:01 AM

:laugh:

Yay for realism! :rolleyes:Your avatar scares me....

Chris_D

05-06-2004, 03:15 AM

My avatar shouldn't scare you, it should mock you!!

I'm changing it now :D

nhoJ

07-06-2004, 04:10 AM

I know probably nobody cares but to me this is highly annoying. A Sig Sauer P228 for instance is only available in 9mm, not in .357 sig as in CS. It has a stamped carbon steel slide and can't withstand the high pressure of a .357sig (or .40s&w) cartrige (p226's p229's, and p239's can be chambered in .357sig). A galil (defender) is chambered in 5.56mm (same as m4) and not .308 and it takes 30rd mags, furthermore a 35rd .308 mag would be absolutely ****ing ridiculously heavy and awkward (both M1a's and Fal's are .308 and they take 20rd mags). The m4a2 is wrongly labled as an m4a1. The most obvious indication is the forward assist located on the right side of the rifle. I'm sure there are more. I guess I'm just a gun nut (have a large collection and go shooting at least twice a month) so I notice these things. Anyways, I'm done ranting now.

It's counter-strike, not a game meant for realism. Why don't you try playing with left handed models, like how it was originally done in CS betas, so the ejection port, forward assist knob, and any other little detail is on the right side of the M4, as well as any other rifle/pistol.

I own many, many firearms, and I shoot probably 400 rounds every weekend, and CS doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, the unrealistic nature of the game is what first brought me to like it, when you could bunnyhop around and shoot rifles accurately in the air.

If you want a realistic game I suggest you go play rainbox six, and stop bitching about the very minor technical faults of the game.

SIGbastard

07-06-2004, 06:08 AM

If you want a realistic game I suggest you go play rainbox six, and stop bitching about the very minor technical faults of the game.
:rolleyes:
You obviously don't know how to read very well. I've said several times that I don't want a completely realistic version of CS. I only shared my opinion that I think they should have more accurate specs for the guns (in the "buy" menu) as it would take minimal effort. I suggest you pull your head out of where it is shoved so deeply so maybe next time you can read better.

Camajlen

11-06-2004, 01:39 AM

I'm all with SIGbastard on this one... Not that it matters a lot though!

Anyway, I can't see why everyone keeps flaming him with the all too abused "It's a game" comment. Even though it's a game, why on earth would they get the caliber wrong? You all would be protesting if a game had a rocket launcher which loaded regular bullets and fired rockets wouldn't you? It's practically the same thing! ;)

Rocketman9mm

11-06-2004, 09:46 PM

I know probably nobody cares but to me this is highly annoying. A Sig Sauer P228 for instance is only available in 9mm, not in .357 sig as in CS. It has a stamped carbon steel slide and can't withstand the high pressure of a .357sig (or .40s&w) cartrige (p226's p229's, and p239's can be chambered in .357sig). A galil (defender) is chambered in 5.56mm (same as m4) and not .308 and it takes 30rd mags, furthermore a 35rd .308 mag would be absolutely ****ing ridiculously heavy and awkward (both M1a's and Fal's are .308 and they take 20rd mags). The m4a2 is wrongly labled as an m4a1. The most obvious indication is the forward assist located on the right side of the rifle. I'm sure there are more. I guess I'm just a gun nut (have a large collection and go shooting at least twice a month) so I notice these things. Anyways, I'm done ranting now.

Ah, finally a kindrid spirit. I too am a gun nut. It does bother me to some exent that they don't bother to know how the actual guns work and the properties of them when making a game based around shooting guns. Lots of games make screw ups about how to do guns right. The only game where everything is done properly and models are made incredibly accurate is america's army. because it was sponsored and overseen by the army. It was funny back in the day in CS where you'd PULL on the forward assist during reload.

Rocketman9mm

11-06-2004, 09:47 PM

It's counter-strike, not a game meant for realism. Why don't you try playing with left handed models, like how it was originally done in CS betas, so the ejection port, forward assist knob, and any other little detail is on the right side of the M4, as well as any other rifle/pistol.

I own many, many firearms, and I shoot probably 400 rounds every weekend, and CS doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, the unrealistic nature of the game is what first brought me to like it, when you could bunnyhop around and shoot rifles accurately in the air.

If you want a realistic game I suggest you go play rainbox six, and stop bitching about the very minor technical faults of the game.

what bothered me about the left handed cs was that sure, the ports were on the right side, but all the levers weren't. he and others like him aren't "bitching" they are simply stating things they'd like to see in game? would you NOT like it if the guns were at least modeled adn operated properly even if you don't care if the aren't now? Wanting newer and better things in games is what drives them to make them. You don't complain about people wanting the source physics engine just because the origional half-life game with its old graphics was fun do you? Its those little things that people look for or want to see that can make them enjoy the games that much more, there's nothing wrong with wanting that.

BHC

13-06-2004, 05:18 PM

check out Ravenshield for your realism needs, or Metal Gear series (both have used millitary consultants)

dura

14-06-2004, 11:56 PM

All of you are outstanding readers.

Ames

15-06-2004, 03:34 AM

Look, the guns are copyrighted. They can't have the correct names or descriptions (not sure?).

G-Dub

15-06-2004, 11:41 AM

Look, the guns are copyrighted. They can't have the correct names or descriptions (not sure?).

Well said (if you're correct :| )

Mr. Redundant

15-06-2004, 04:18 PM

Look, the guns are copyrighted. They can't have the correct names or descriptions (not sure?).
yep the names and details were only changed AFTER CS went retail, they used to be named and detailed correctly... now they have silly names etc.

I wonder how hard it would be to change the text in the gui by the end user, because the official mod never will.

SIGbastard

16-06-2004, 08:12 AM

I understand the names being different, but do the details really have to be different?? Seems the details aren't wrong on all of the guns unless by details you mean something other than what I'm thinking.

oopsmaster

25-06-2004, 07:24 AM

DigiQ8

25-06-2004, 07:41 AM

CS Realstic HA !!
Firing M16 while jumping
If you want a Realstic Game Play DoD

tUrbulenz

25-06-2004, 04:09 PM

please don't make CS more realistic ffs!

ray_MAN

25-06-2004, 05:12 PM

You want realism? Go play some Hostile Intent.

McFace

25-06-2004, 07:15 PM

Whoops my bad ignore this

Crushenator 500

25-06-2004, 07:16 PM

You want realism? Go play some Hostile Intent.
i think you were supposed to say america's army :P.

Impulse147

26-06-2004, 01:28 AM

The main reason why the guns aren't realistic in the description is because it causes licensing problems, it can cost between 30 and 50 thousand bucks for a Heckler & Koch gun licensing. and for a game thats a avilable for free, but at one point was sold for money, thier required by law to pay the gun companys money. its different for free mods, cause thier not profitting off of the guns.

falconwind

26-06-2004, 03:04 AM

Runteh

26-06-2004, 11:02 PM

FO gun geeks of America

dassbaba

28-06-2004, 06:52 AM

It's a game.

but games should be correct

just because its on a computer dosent mean stuff has to be wrong and stay wrong for no reason.

argue against that.
:flame:

Javert

28-06-2004, 08:11 AM

but games should be correct

just because its on a computer dosent mean stuff has to be wrong and stay wrong for no reason.

argue against that.
:flame:

Because it's just a game, and creative license is allowable for the sake of the game. :cat:

SIGbastard

28-06-2004, 08:05 PM

Actually, according to Jane's Guns Recognition Guide, the IMI Galil is produced in 7.62 x 51mm, which is also known as .308 Winchester. It's just "not as popular" as the 5.56mm version.
I know there are some .308 versions but they're very rare, and they still only have 20 rd magazines!!! ;) So even though they do exist they STILL got it wrong.

Ch1cKeN

30-06-2004, 12:20 AM

does the improper stats and appearance of weapons truly affect gameplay? not really? i'm sure some custom models can piss people off.

As for realism,
Be like the real thing.
When you die in the game, The computer and monitor will explode killing anyone caught directly in front of the monitor.
When you are shot at. The computer will sprout arms and using nails of different widths will forcefully stab you in that particular area.

listen, Realism to the extreme sucks. I'm alright with weapon jams and blackened out spectator modes. But constantly complaining that "Its not realistic because such and such isn'm implimented, then thats just a lil tad overboard" .

Listen. You want a realisitc game with CORRECT gun stats and models. Play Americas Army, Its free and can be downloaded at their site.