sick of farcry fanboys

[dYiN]

The farcry fanboys are allways telling every1 that the engine gives better gfx than the hl2 engine . My opinion is that this is big shit ( also they never played it so ...) because hl2 just looks better to my eyes :) ( the movies of hl2 just look amazing , and those of farcry just look really nice ). what is your opinion ?

[The Brick]

Farcry is a great game (graphics and gameplay), but HL2 is way better in all aspects.

[Brian Damage]

HL2 looks better, at least from looking at the Binks... But I forsee some flaming in this thread...

[Mr.Magnetichead]

Farcry only looks great with everything set to its highest and running at high res.

The graphical scaleing sucks.

We also havn't seen Half Life 2's graphics in any kind of context.

We've had a few shorts videos and a very empty beta.

[ShinRa]

Uh...sweet post? Welcome. HL2 is far more advanced than Far cry, but to say far crys graphics arent good and plus uve never played the game you have no position to talk. try playing the game first before you get sick of the 'far cry' fanboys. because most of the fanboys are hl2 fanboys as well.

[Mr-Fusion]

Next gen game engine arguments

Welcome to infinity.

[Mr.Magnetichead]

Unreal Engine 3 kicks the shit out of EVERYTHING seen to date anyway.

[The Dark Elf]

Mr-Fusion, your sig is over the limit, fix it

Farcry bashing thread moved to general gaming

[mrchimp]

I say all talk of FC should be banned from this particular forum... not just threads like this but if somone mentions it in the HL2 section they get a months ban and have there post count put down to 0.

[sharp]

Far Cry engine is very good with gfx but with the water HL2 is superiour. Far Cry uses 3 shaders to create a 3D effect, HL2 only 1 shader and I must say the water in HL2 is more realistic then Far Cry. HL2 engine s better with facial animations, player
animations, physics, lightings and AI.

[Xenome]

Unreal Engine 3 kicks the shit out of EVERYTHING seen to date anyway.

Yes but games on it wont be released in 3 years, so it's pathetic to even mention it..

that like mentioning the source engine 3 years ago..

And far cry is a nice game with great graphics..but it's no match for half-life 2, and even the far cry fans will admit that, once hl2 is out

And far cry has nothing on halflife2..no further comment..

[Majestic XII]

You can only do islands with the sandbox editor...trying to build a "real" level would be hard as hell :)

(if you dont use a big model or something)

[Mountain Man]

Far Cry is overrated.

[Sprafa]

Far Cry is overrated.


yes. extremely overated. It's the new Unreal 2, no story, no gameplay (except KILLL!!!!, use the valve to stop the steam and get pass that hall), pure graphical wonder.

[Soundwave]

Yeah right. If anything Far Cry is overly bashed here. It's getting kind of sad. I think I should just steer clear of the threads mentioning Far Cry now.

[Mr.Magnetichead]

Yes but games on it wont be released in 3 years, so it's pathetic to even mention it..

that like mentioning the source engine 3 years ago..

And far cry is a nice game with great graphics..but it's no match for half-life 2, and even the far cry fans will admit that, once hl2 is out



Actually Epic say 2006 which starts in 19 months.

[The Brick]

Actually Epic say 2006 which starts in 19 months.
Have you ever heard of a game that never got delayed?

[mrchimp]

heh UE3 will look even better by then, what we saw in the tech video's were the second to lowest settings (r300 class cards being the lowest supported).

Anyway thats not what this thread is about, it's about FC and it's overatedness. Some of it felt just like the jungle scenes in SOF2 which isn't so bad but it's not that great either.

I know the rest of the FPS community is going mad over it (with exceptions) but then they went mad over MOH:AA. HL2 fans expect something else and probably something better.

FC is to HL2 as Rambo is to the Godfather 2. Nuff said.

EDIT: I might be wrong but RA2 came out early... actually I'm not sure but I know a C&C game has done.

[Lobster]

guys why should we pitch games against each other, the competative world of the gaming industry is a good thing, every time a great game comes out it makes the other devs buck up there ideas and improve what they have..

However in my personal opinion, it seems games of recent years have been concerntrating in singular areas, whether it be rendering, physics, multiplayer, large maps, vehicles etc etc, and because of this other features lose out, which does make gameplay a little dull somtimes, It does look to me like HL2 is achieving a good balance in all areas, and using the engine they do have to do some pretty cool and fun ideas.

Its good for the gaming industry cause successfull games like this improve the quality of future projects, I enjoyed far cry alot, it was a nice new use of tech, and im sure alot of its more impressive graphical features will become standard in the next gen titles, but when it comes to overall game design, and variety of styles and locations, i think the industry will be taking alot of ideas out of HL2, and hopefully companies will start not only making good engines, but good games to :)

Which is all good :D

[Mr.Magnetichead]

Have you ever heard of a game that never got delayed?

Yes.

Every ID game to date because they've never given dates.

[dYiN]

well , srry i made the post on the wrong foru m :) I just can't stand pll saying : - i won't buy hl2 , its so overhyped . OR I won't cuz the gfx will really suck . OR I won't cuz valve is stupid ..... etc . from what i have seen of hl2 and read of it , it is no match for any other fps game on the moment . ( a combination of much more than only gfx )

[clarky003]

yeh well who cares about those people, they'll be the ones loosing out at the end of the day dude

[The Brick]

Yeah people that say Valve hyped HL2 too much are a little dumb. The only thing Valve did is showing the E3 vids, not much further. We're the ones that hype the game.

[Soundwave]

I think anyone that thinks that about ANY of the big FPS out or already released are missing out, whether it's HL2 or not.

[Crushenator 500]

Have you ever heard of a game that never got delayed?
dont quote me on this, but im pretty sure that max payne 2 didnt get delayed.....

[x84D80Yx]

im a unreal 3 engine fanboy, i want you to be sick of me :)

[Mr.Magnetichead]

im a unreal 3 engine fanboy, i want you to be sick of me :)


Unreal Engine 3 not Unreal 3 Engine

[x84D80Yx]

but you understood what i ment, hate me more ;)

[Letters]

Far Cry was certainly worth my 40 bucks. :)

[Bio]

Yeah but hl2 will probobly be more worth your 40 bucks.
And i have played far cry it was a good game but it was more entertaining to just see the hl2 vids.

[AmishSlayer]

Far Cry was certainly worth my 40 bucks. :)

Yeah right. If anything Far Cry is overly bashed here. It's getting kind of sad. I think I should just steer clear of the threads mentioning Far Cry now.

I agree with both statements.

When people say things like:

no gameplay (except KILLL!!!!, use the valve to stop the steam and get pass that hall)

I just have to point out...use this as an example: Press a button here; run around; kill some aliens; get to a lever or wheel; toggle that; go to a control room; kill some more aliens on the way; press a third button and burn a big bad guy to death...whee.

Sound familiar? Half-Life. I'm not bashing HL1's gameplay or anything (I'm totally fine with that style of flow through a game)...but think about what you're saying when you talk about how simplistic goals and gameplay can be in Far Cry and such games. Half-Life wasn't much different...and everyone seems to hold it up on such a high pedestal...like it's untouchable to critisicm or something. THAT'S what bugs me on these forums.

[Soundwave]

Amish, thanks. I was gonna reply to that gameplay comment earlier but what I would have said would have most likely gotten me banned.

What really gets me is some people here act like Half-Life 2 isn't going to have that EXACT kind of stuff. Sure, there's a couple of new features, but really, it's going to be just like other FPS except you can use a weapon to toss chairs at people. All FPS are run and shoot, with some other objectives mixed in. wtf are people expecting out of Half-Life 2 if they bash Far Cry for being "run and shoot, push lever, use valve etc". That's ALL FPS. That's why it's called a first-person SHOOTER

[famas_man]

Sure, hl2 will have that. It will also have a lot more. I'm going to try to make a mod and I plan to take advantage of the physics system. For example a fully functional catapult (working rope tention, a release mechanism, wheels, and calculated shots depending on the mass of projectile you're using.)

I doubt you can do that with far cry, and I wouldnt classify that as just pushing a button.

[Soundwave]

That definately sounds cool, but I'm talking about the core HL2 single player campaign. I'm sure modmakers are gonna come up with some kickass stuff like what you will be doing.

[famas_man]

Yeah, I guess you're right about that. From what I've seen so far the sp does seem to be leaving a lot of the cool stuff for mods. On the other hand they may surprise us.

[ComradeBadger]

Amish, thanks. I was gonna reply to that gameplay comment earlier but what I would have said would have most likely gotten me banned.

What really gets me is some people here act like Half-Life 2 isn't going to have that EXACT kind of stuff. Sure, there's a couple of new features, but really, it's going to be just like other FPS except you can use a weapon to toss chairs at people. All FPS are run and shoot, with some other objectives mixed in. wtf are people expecting out of Half-Life 2 if they bash Far Cry for being "run and shoot, push lever, use valve etc". That's ALL FPS. That's why it's called a first-person SHOOTER
Banned for pointing out a stupid comment. Not likely :)

Anyway, I'm going to buy Far Cry soon, I hope, it's right after Ut2004 on my want list

[Gorgon]

Unreal Engine 3 kicks the shit out of EVERYTHING seen to date anyway.

I agree.

FarCry vs HL2 = Ferrari vs McLaren F1

they both sexy, and fast but both got diffrent experience. :E

[KagePrototype]

[EDIT]: I'm going to title this rant "sick of fanboys in general"

The great thing about Far Cry is that there's a suprising amount of freedom involved. It's not the sort of freedom you'd expect from something like Deus Ex, it's more of a tactical freedom. For example, you could sneak onto that boat, drive down to the beach and kill eveyone in a huge blast of gunfire and explosions; or you could snipe those explosive barrels from afar taking most of them out, and then sneak past everyone else; or you could divert their attention one by one around a corner with a rock and silently kill them...it's a lot more freedom than most FPS games have.

But in reality, I think the one thing that sets it apart from most other games is the incredible amount of immersion the game creates. If you're going to play the game with a cynical attitude, you're not going to like it, because you'll just point out that it's an unoriginal game. This is true, there aren't that many new features in it. But then again, Half-Life didn't have that many new features in it either. The biggest thing that everyone enjoyed about Half-Life was how involved you got in the gameplay. Let face it, the story was pure garbage. The only interesting part of it was the whole conspiracy side to it, and even that had been done to death by other forms of media. It was the way it made you feel that you were Gordon Freeman, i the middle of this huge crisis, that was so inviting about it. It's the same thing with Far Cry; the game absorbs you into it's world, as long as you let it.

Hell, why do we have to argue over such trivial things? I find it funny that a lot of people are slamming far cry fanboys because they slam HL, yet at the exact same time they are praising HL2 for all it's worth, and then some. "The graphics are better in HL2 because there's more stuff" or "the gameplay will be more innovative in HL2, and so Far Cry is bad" or "Far Cry is completely unoriginal, and is therefore worse than HL2". I've mentioned this point on a number of boards (and find it increasingly frustrating that I have to keep raising it over and over), but what happened to basing a game on how much fun it is? Some people are so wound up in their own excitment for a certain game that they become the most arrogant people on the planet and block out everything else. Look at Painkiller. That's hardly original at all, but it's damned fun to play. Hell, Commander Keen is still fun to play for me.

Urgh, somehow my opinion on Far Cry has turned into a rant against fanboys and pointless arguing. My bad. :-/

[torso boy]

All of those people are like..."Oh, im boycotting hl2 because it was delayed!" but they didn't do that for any other game....you know why...because nobody cared about the other games.

[Sprafa]

HL to the time had great gameplay, but I agree that to today's standards it's pretty much surpassed. That doesn't justifies FC. I agree that the upper rant may be a little over-the-top, since FC does has great AI.
But I really don't like the fact they increase the damage to increase difficulty....it just shows lack of inovation.

[babywax]

It's more like decreasing damage to lower difficulty. The high damage is more like real life, hence the hardest setting being called "Realistic."
You can say it's not innovative, but the game isn't nearly as fun without the good AI. Dumb down the AI for the easier levels of play and what's the point? AI and massive enviroments are the game's two biggest selling points.

[ferd]

i never thought of FC being a good looking game...it's more like a puppet to show fx, since i feel the design of the game feels really cartoony...in no way comparable to f.e. HL2, wich has way better and more realistically looking textures and whatever

[ferd]

It's more like decreasing damage to lower difficulty. The high damage is more like real life, hence the hardest setting being called "Realistic."
You can say it's not innovative, but the game isn't nearly as fun without the good AI. Dumb down the AI for the easier levels of play and what's the point? AI and massive enviroments are the game's two biggest selling points.

what's the fuss about the AI in FC? I mean ive seen better before, imo those black marines in HL were alot more cunning and lethal then any enemy ive seen in FC

[Nuada]

I'd just like to get everyone a nice cold pint of Shut-The-****-Up. Nobody's played HL2 yet so no body knows. FC is a great game, there's no reason you can't buy and enjoy both.

Christ I thought I heard the last of these arguments with the SNES and Megadrive......

[Mac]

i think theyre both good.
farcry has good graphics, hl2 has good graphics and other things.
why cant they both be good? damnit

can't we all just get along? :cheers:

[dYiN]

hmmz , this isn't about farcry being a bad game ( cuz its not , its a very good gampe ) but about the fact that those farcry boys are ALLWAYS nagging about farcry being better and much more beautiful etc

[crabcakes66]

hmmz , this isn't about farcry being a bad game ( cuz its not , its a very good gampe ) but about the fact that those farcry boys are ALLWAYS nagging about farcry being better and much more beautiful etc


What he said......

Farcry isnt bad. But it isnt special in the sense that HL2 is special.

They are not even on the same playing field.

[Dedalus]

FarCry vs HL2 = Ferrari vs McLaren F1

they both sexy, and fast but both got diffrent experience. :E



that's the best thing you've ever said :cheers:

[OCybrManO]

I'd give Far Cry a 4 out of 5 because the graphics were their obvious selling point... and it shows in the other aspects of the game (though, not to the point of making it a mediocre game). It's a good game but it didn't have any jaw-droppingly cool moments. The gameplay was good, but it wasn't memorable. Ooh, the "freedom" of walking to the wrong side of the island and being killed by an invincible attack helicopter. The only real freedom was deciding between going full tilt or using guerrilla tactics.

Yes, HL didn't have incredibly amazing and innovative gameplay... by today's standards. Why are you comparing Far Cry to a game that was made more than five years ago, anyway? If you want my honest opinion, I think HL still beats Far Cry in several aspects (obviously not graphics) even after half of a decade of "improvement" in the industry.

The importance of the story in Half-Life was that you weren't supposed to feel like a story was being told to you. They don't show you cut scenes to give you information. They don't give you "mission objectives" or show your destinations on a radar. You know only as much of the story as Gordon would know in that situation. There is a lot of story to Half-Life that no one (other than Valve employees) knows about. Some of it will be revealed in HL2, but a lot will still remain unknown. This was in stark contrast to the way almost every other game was being done at the time.

There is no best way of telling a story (but there are bad ways... for example, putting the entire "story" in the install screen as was done with Quake 2). My other favorites in the story department are the Max Payne games because they did a great job of capturing the essence of a film noir "nothing to lose" love story. At first, I was worried about the "graphic novel" approach to telling a video game story but it worked. It may have hurt the replay value (whereas, in HL I wanted to go back through with what I learned and try to put the pieces of the puzzle together), but the few times I've played through the story I enjoyed every minute of it.

[DvS]

This is just my estimate but

Farcry: GFx 10, Gameplay 7, Plot/Story 3.
HL2: GFx 8, Gameplay 10, Plot/Story 10.

HL2 wins overall with me, even without being released.. which says alot about the comparison of these games, even if I feel farcry wins in graphics.

[famas_man]

To be honest, I dont really like the gfx in FC. Its not the quality, but stuff like the overly bright colors, or how the player models don't look very realistic. I realize that its supposed to be a sunny tropical island, but still... I feel like Im playing yoshis story or something ;) (ok maybe not that bad)

[crabcakes66]

To be honest, I dont really like the gfx in FC. Its not the quality, but stuff like the overly bright colors, or how the player models don't look very realistic. I realize that its supposed to be a sunny tropical island, but still... I feel like Im playing yoshis story or something ;) (ok maybe not that bad)


Heh..yeah everthing was a bit overdone.

[Letters]

Ooooh, Yoshi's Story = teh love! I need to play that game again!

[Spiffae]

I'm playing through far cry right now... as an avid HL2 fanboy :), i had a lot of trouble enjoying it in the beginning. I still hate the stupid-ass one liners from the mercs, the story is completely asinine, the physics are good one minute, poor the next, and the AI is a mixed bag.

That said, the jungle environments, the sound engine, the scale of the levels, and the indoor sections where you fight mutants are all top-notch. The game has scared me like no other in recent memory, sneaking around and then suddenly being swarmed by 4 mutants leaping huge distances to kill me in two hits. there's a lot of tension, and I've been enjoying it quite a bit.

It's not Half-Life 2, but it's been growing on me.

[umop]

FarCry is a really cool game. When I first played it, it was the first time I was able to play with the new generation of physics. I was amazed, and it left a really good first impression. IMO HL2 will be a LOT more fun and also graphically superior, but FarCry is still a really cool game :)

[Styloid]

What I don't like is that people just decide that Far Cry must be the best possible FPS give or take a little bit. Right now we have Doom3 bringing us new lighting/shadowing tech, HL2 bringing believable characters/story/world interaction and Stalker bringing complete freedom in the gameworld... how can Far Cry (though it stands on its own) 'beat' any of these games? Don't say all FPS's are the same and that you will just buy and buy and buy them all. Appreciate them.

[Sparta]

Far Cry COULD'VE been an awesome game (at least to me) if it developed the story more and if it developed the gameplay variety a bit more. Every single level was just sneaking around through the bushes, then it was sneaking around through facilities. The same thing for 20 long and hard levels of the game. Ticked me off. The only thing that gives this game replay value (in my opinion) is the AI.

I dont find the AI as fun or as hard as Half-Life (Being an avid Splinter Cell player) but it can be pretty fun crawling through the bushes and eliminating a squad of Mercinaries. As a matter of fact, crawling through those bushes brought back fond memories from Operation Flashpoint. That game truly ROCKED. It was so much fun to creep into a forest just outside of a russian outpost, and then pick off every single soldier i could see. aaaahhhh. Then, after that, would come the tanks. Everytime i heard one of those things coming i shat myself. You plant a couple of satchel charges on the road and then just wait in the bushes.....as they drive closer...and closer...and closer....and then BAM!! 1st tank is destroyed with the 2nd behind it bewildered and stunned. At that second i pull out my Law and signal to my Anti-Tank soldier to help me take him down. I fire a round into its hull, then he does, and the BMP is toasted........good times.........good times.

THATS how you build tension. You don't need 50 scary monsters. Just 2 tanks, a couple of explosives and a LAW launcher. **** up at all and you're dead. Man that game rocks.

*goes off to install Operation Flashpoint

[phantomdesign]

Farcry is deffinetly not as good as HL2, but it appears to be a great game. The only think that's bothering me is reports that Crytech used pirated software.

[Sui]

what is this, the 50th far cry post scince it was announced? im suprised it doesnt have its own forum by now.

anyway, far cry is overrated, it is not as good as hl2, but yet it is still one of the best FPS out there ATM. hell, i even ended up buying it and i must say assault MP owns, engineers forever!!!

[Nuada]

Are you retards still insisting that Far Cry isn't as good as a game you've never played?

[mrchimp]

Are you retards still insisting that Far Cry isn't as good as a game you've never played?

Any such opinion that concedes to HL2 being better than FC despite never actually playing one of the afore mentioned games is not at all gorked I can assure you.

I derived more enjoyment out of the bink's when they were initially released than playing a single level of FC. Surely that fact alone would constitute an opinion of such nature and would not require us to be retarded to propagate it.