For those second gussing L4D2

[Van_Halen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9D8RzstfQ&feature=player_embedded

How does your jaw not drop? How are you not giggling in excitement? I can't wait. This looks too awesome.

[Lucid]

Because it looks identical to the first game.
But, after watching that vid my interest has been piqued a little bit.

[ktimekiller]

Regardless of being an amazing game, I think still its far too soon, which goes against valves usual nature. Not to mention the number of people that will be split playing original and this because they cannot afford l4d2, or do not want to get it for whatever reasons.

[Corp. Sheepo]

I'm gonna guss the shit out of you.

[Van_Halen]

...Shut up. :(

[chimpmunk]

Regardless of being an amazing game, I think still its far too soon, which goes against valves usual nature. Not to mention the number of people that will be split playing original and this because they cannot afford l4d2, or do not want to get it for whatever reasons.

So, people could afford the first one but not the second one a year later? As for the people who "do not want" to get it, i'm guessing you refer to the boycott? That's a good thing then, I won't have to hear them whining about the game.

As for, far too soon, I don't get it? A year is enough, why would you want to wait more? I can't speak for you, but I'm really bored with L4D now as playing it has become a routine: hide there, camp that corner, run to the witch and headshot her with a auto shotty, yawwwnnn... Was this game supposed to be scary or at least fast paced? It stopped a long time ago (for me at least). So I welcome L4D2 hoping it improves on L4D.

My 2cents.

[ktimekiller]

You might be bored, but still in valves usual nature in practically all their works, it seems wrong.

As for simply ignoring the people who dont get the second game, its simply not a turn the cheek situation. There will be a lesser player base, as its SPLIT between 2 games!

The fact that l4d2 is great or not with its abundance or lack of new features, the community itself will still be significantly split, and less players will be playing in either respective game than when there was a single l4d.

It would be like if WoW players without expansion were 100% absolutely completely split with players with the first, second, and respectively first from second. And to play previously released content on previous expansion or vanilla WoW required you to exit the game, and restart with the respective version. Its simply not as enjoyable, and it ruins the experience as a community by splitting it.

[huntingbear]

it does seem strange for Valve to be releasing the followup so soon when we DON'T HAVE EP3 YET!!

[chimpmunk]

You might be bored, but still in valves usual nature in practically all their works, it seems wrong.

This is where you're wrong. VALVE has a habit of "scrapping" their games and starting over (they did it with half life, half life 2 and probably with ep3). It seems that they wanted to do the same with L4D, only, they realized they wanted to scrap the game and start over AFTER the game was released.

As for simply ignoring the people who dont get the second game, its simply not a turn the cheek situation. There will be a lesser player base, as its SPLIT between 2 games!

So? I only need me and 7 other people to play left4dead(2). I'm not so sure how many people will stay with the original instead of getting left4dead2, but I'm convinced it won't be many...

It would be like if WoW players without expansion were 100% absolutely completely split with players with the first, second, and respectively first from second. And to play previously released content on previous expansion or vanilla WoW required you to exit the game, and restart with the respective version. Its simply not as enjoyable, and it ruins the experience as a community by splitting it.

In L4D(2) you join a server of maximum 8 people for a short period of time, In WoW you join static servers of 200 000+ slots. That analogy makes no sense at all.

[Lobster]

I only tend to play with my group of friends as L4D doesnt really have the same public server community side that other games with larger servers have, its just the nature of the game, a split wouldnt affect me so much, as all the people I play with will move to L4D2.

Anyway there was a weekend deal for L4D about 4 months after it came out that reduced the price by half, I doubt it would take long for all the serious players to migrate, even the people who acctully DO plan on skipping it at launch.

[Van_Halen]

Because it looks identical to the first game.
But, after watching that vid my interest has been piqued a little bit.

There are clearly some graphic changes to the game since the first one. I also don't see how it looks identical, being that L4D always takes place at night, and from what we've seen, L4D 2 takes place in the morning, and in broad daylight. I actually like the idea of daylight better, and different times of day, because it adds some more realism. In a Zombie apocalypse, why would anybody want to move to a different location during the night? "Oh, lets go when it's harder to see, colder, and when we feel like going to sleep. That sounds great."

And for some reason I figured that someone would pay attention to what Chet said in the video, but I guess I was dreaming a little too big. He said "The Teams at Valve are allowed to work on whatever we want." Hear that?! THERE ARE TEAMS! That means somebody is more than likely working on the next Half-Life installment! :D

Or Portal, for that matter. I really don't think that L4D2 is wasting any of Valve's time like all of the whiners in that boycotting group are complaining about. They have no way of telling what Valve is doing, and l4d2 has several months before launch. Give the games some time, by god. You will live tomorrow without hearing about Half-Life 3.

[Absinthe]

Everybody knows all this.

If you did not, you should be banned.

[ktimekiller]

This is where you're wrong. VALVE has a habit of "scrapping" their games and starting over (they did it with half life, half life 2 and probably with ep3). It seems that they wanted to do the same with L4D, only, they realized they wanted to scrap the game and start over AFTER the game was released.



So? I only need me and 7 other people to play left4dead(2). I'm not so sure how many people will stay with the original instead of getting left4dead2, but I'm convinced it won't be many...



In L4D(2) you join a server of maximum 8 people for a short period of time, In WoW you join static servers of 200 000+ slots. That analogy makes no sense at all.

you obviously never played splinter cell multiplayers.

[CyberPitz]

This entire part of the forum should be

"Let's bitch about what is wrong with L4D2" as every thread is turning into it.

[aymes]

How does your jaw not drop? How are you not giggling in excitement? I can't wait. This looks too awesome.

Mainly because it's nothing I've not already seen in L4D1 or Killing-Floor already.

There's no way of telling whether there's any reason to get this until the demo (if there is one this time) comes out.

Therefore judgement is reserved!

[Van_Halen]

...But from what I've seen, that alone is enough to get me hyped. I think you just expect too much. My reason to get it is that it has zombies, (And utilizes them much better than l4d1 already, imho) and better weapons. I hope they have a huge selection of weapons and the director chooses them based on how the players are doing. Like for some cases, certain weapons might be overpowered...

See, just expressing ideas like this can change the entire game, because it's in development, and we know that Valve looks at this forum. They might consider your idea. Your voice is being heard, weather you're a raging idiot or not. I just hope Valve can decipher which is which. xD

[swan_song1973]

hold on a second...dynamic weather?

[Van_Halen]

I'm guessing that if everybody is dying, it starts to storm. If there's one person left, the skies open up and water falls in torrents. Something like that. If everyone else dies, you won't be as worried about that witch as you are about Hurricane Katrina coming back for more.

[Azner]

So, people could afford the first one but not the second one a year later? As for the people who "do not want" to get it, i'm guessing you refer to the boycott? That's a good thing then, I won't have to hear them whining about the game.

As for, far too soon, I don't get it? A year is enough, why would you want to wait more? I can't speak for you, but I'm really bored with L4D now as playing it has become a routine: hide there, camp that corner, run to the witch and headshot her with a auto shotty, yawwwnnn... Was this game supposed to be scary or at least fast paced? It stopped a long time ago (for me at least). So I welcome L4D2 hoping it improves on L4D.

My 2cents.

Youd want new maps into L4D instead of an L4D2, I seriously doubt that L4D2 will be more fast paced and scarier than L4D ever was. You know what you want but you're looking in the wrong direction for it.

[CyberPitz]

Youd want new maps into L4D instead of an L4D2, I seriously doubt that L4D2 will be more fast paced and scarier than L4D ever was. You know what you want but you're looking in the wrong direction for it.

Wait.

AI director is different, maps are different, setting is different. That couldn't possibly add up to a faster paced L4D? Hm.

[Van_Halen]

This is kinda like bitching at Nvidia for coming up with new video cards and not mailing them to your doorstep because "The clock speed isn't that much faster." If you want the damn thing, buy it. if not, shut the hell up and let the rest of us enjoy it.

[SolidSteel144]

This is kinda like bitching at Nvidia for coming up with new video cards and not mailing them to your doorstep because "The clock speed isn't that much faster." If you want the damn thing, buy it. if not, shut the hell up and let the rest of us enjoy it.
Exactly, and they happen to do that with quite a bit of rebranding (8800 GT, 9800 GT for example).

[ZT]

Incendiary Rounds sound awful "Now it will be easier to set a tank on fire", and what exactly is good about that? What exactly makes that exciting when you can set a tank on fire by just shooting him?

[Returned3]

Incendiary Rounds sound awful "Now it will be easier to set a tank on fire", and what exactly is good about that? What exactly makes that exciting when you can set a tank on fire by just shooting him?

Nothing, that totally removes the fun.

But setting regular infected on fire IS fun and exciting.

[chimpmunk]

Incendiary Rounds sound awful "Now it will be easier to set a tank on fire", and what exactly is good about that? What exactly makes that exciting when you can set a tank on fire by just shooting him?

Since indecandary rounds are a temporary power up, I'm guessing the director won't spawn any tank while a survivor has them.

[ZT]

Since indecandary rounds are a temporary power up, I'm guessing the director won't spawn any tank while a survivor has them.

Apparently they will, the guy specifically stated that you could use the incendiary rounds to set tanks on fire with more ease.

[Azner]

Wait.

AI director is different, maps are different, setting is different. That couldn't possibly add up to a faster paced L4D? Hm.

Well, in L4D my friends and i started to know the different possibilities of what the director would do (Im sure you did too pitzy paul). Sooner or later it wouldn't be any more fast paced than what we started with, right?

[CyberPitz]

Well, in L4D my friends and i started to know the different possibilities of what the director would do (Im sure you did too pitzy paul). Sooner or later it wouldn't be any more fast paced than what we started with, right?

There's no real way to tell. Hence what I said....you don't know if it will be faster paced or not, so knocking it down for that fact is just silly.

[Van_Halen]

Amen, pitzy. I wouldn't look down on Valve so much that I would expect them to release an unfinished game, or one that needed more work in their eyes. L4D may have been a mistake, but I know I definitely got $50 worth of fun out of it.

[alehm]

Incendiary Rounds sound awful "Now it will be easier to set a tank on fire", and what exactly is good about that? What exactly makes that exciting when you can set a tank on fire by just shooting him?


In context of what I have read it isn't as cut and dry as you put it. I see 2 trade offs Valve has also added to 'balance' incendiary rounds.

Chet said the new AID now makes a more concious choice of where it puts items (molotovs, incendiary rounds, ect). Instead of what we experience in L4D today, the director will now purposly place them in out of the way areas. So if you want incendiary rounds you have to go look for them. So in theory that put survivors at risk for getting off the main path looking for something instead of getting to a safe room. And thus will take more damage from attacks in the meantime.

The second trade off is if you chose to pick up a clip of incendiary rounds you are forced to use that clip immediatly. So if you want to save it for a tank you have to use pistols or melee weapons until then. Thus- you are gimping yourself and your team by using less effective weapons while progressing toward a tank spawn.

[Azner]

There's no real way to tell. Hence what I said....you don't know if it will be faster paced or not, so knocking it down for that fact is just silly.

Im not really knocking it down. Just stating that we shouldnt really get so excited about it. P.s. TF2 we should sometime too

[V-Man339]

I bought l4d 1 with the assumption they'd be giving me l4d 2 for free.

God forbid my refusal to buy what I was told I would get for free.

[knut]

I bought l4d 1 with the assumption they'd be giving me l4d 2 for free.

God forbid my refusal to buy what I was told I would get for free.

Sorry, what?

[PimpinPenguin]

I bought l4d 1 with the assumption they'd be giving me l4d 2 for free.

God forbid my refusal to buy what I was told I would get for free.

Huh? What the hell gave you that idea? That's like saying i bought Half-Life i expected to get Half-Life 2 for free. You expected to get DLC and you will get DLC, Valve have stated again and again that more DLC is planned for L4D. Valve always give out info about DLC just when it's about to release they don't reveal plans for it months before.

[lefty]

I bought l4d 1 with the assumption they'd be giving me l4d 2 for free.

God forbid my refusal to buy what I was told I would get for free.

Why would you assume that?

[CyberPitz]

I bought l4d 1 with the assumption they'd be giving me l4d 2 for free.

God forbid my refusal to buy what I was told I would get for free.

You're retarded.

/thread

[Van_Halen]

Why would you assume that?

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's taking a stab at the idiots that think they're going to get a new game for free.

If not, you're also a ****ing idiot.

[V-Man339]

I recall Gabe promising to give most of this content in dlc.

The main reason given for number 2 is that the easiest way of getting the content out would be an all at once thing, hence sequel.

I don't want to shell out 40 more bucks for what could've been free.

[PimpinPenguin]

I recall Gabe promising to give most of this content in dlc.

The main reason given for number 2 is that the easiest way of getting the content out would be an all at once thing, hence sequel.

I don't want to shell out 40 more bucks for what could've been free.

No, Gabe promised to give more DLC to Left4Dead which we will get. I admit some of these should have been given as DLC as new content has been lacking. I think it's fair to admit that Left4Dead is a broken game beyond repair and as such no point wasting time on it.

[Absinthe]

SERVER BROWSER

I believe that fulfills their DLC obligations for L4D.

[Great Grizzly]

Problem with incendiary in versus: One team will know when the tanks spawns and thus when to grab the incendiary ammo.

Instant tank loss.

[Van_Halen]

Not unless you really ****ing suck at being tank, cause if I'm nt mistakent, you still have about 3 minutes to take out the survivors.

[Kinslayer]

I think it's fair to admit that Left4Dead is a broken game beyond repair and as such no point wasting time on it.

Then maybe they should have tried fixing it before they start work on a new game. They made the decision to make L4D2 right after they released L4D, remember?

I seem to remember an article stating that L4D2 plays the exact same as L4D, just with melee weapons and a few extra gimmicks. ****, even Microsoft only charges $10-$15 for map packs. Not to mention that ALL of the DLC we've been given should have been in game UPON RELEASE. We've got no new weapons, no new gamemodes ("extended crescendo" doesn't count, that'd take no time at all for a competent modder), no new maps (Dead Air and Death Toll were ported to VS months before Valve did), no new infected. Not surprised to be honest, they were just all put into L4D2!

Getting a bit sick of the fanboyism present everywhere on these forums. Seriously, you all have brains. Use them.

And Grizzly is right. Tanks are already piss easy to take out with a decent team as long as you have a molotov or another source of fire. Now they're even easier; you have bullet molotovs!

[PimpinPenguin]

Then maybe they should have tried fixing it before they start work on a new game. They made the decision to make L4D2 right after they released L4D, remember?

I seem to remember an article stating that L4D2 plays the exact same as L4D, just with melee weapons and a few extra gimmicks. ****, even Microsoft only charges $10-$15 for map packs. Not to mention that ALL of the DLC we've been given should have been in game UPON RELEASE. We've got no new weapons, no new gamemodes ("extended crescendo" doesn't count, that'd take no time at all for a competent modder), no new maps (Dead Air and Death Toll were ported to VS months before Valve did), no new infected. Not surprised to be honest, they were just all put into L4D2!

Getting a bit sick of the fanboyism present everywhere on these forums. Seriously, you all have brains. Use them.

And Grizzly is right. Tanks are already piss easy to take out with a decent team as long as you have a molotov or another source of fire. Now they're even easier; you have bullet molotovs!

The main problem with Left4Dead are the players. If players didn't shiva stack in a corner inaccessible to the infected players would have more fun. This is what Valve are working to stop with the new gauntlet style finale, they can't add that into Left4Dead as the maps are simply not designed for it. Now i admit some of these should have been brought to Left4Dead as support of it has been pathetic by Valve, but i can also see what they are doing. Already people are complaining that Left4Dead2 hasn't got enough content to justify the price tag now if Valve add more content into Left4Dead it would make Left4Dead 2 look even more pathetic.

[V-Man339]

I do, however, feel the need to note that I have faith in Valve. For the time being, that is.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Looks like its just a time filler between l4d and ep3. Valve needed a way to get money between L4D and Ep3, so they took all their l4d DLC and slapped a "2" on the box.

[Corp. Sheepo]

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what they thought.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Its a word for word copy of their plan.

[Apocalypse89]

Maybe not "word for word", but not a very distant interpretation.

[alehm]

Looks like its just a time filler between l4d and ep3. Valve needed a way to get money between L4D and Ep3, so they took all their l4d DLC and slapped a "2" on the box.

Yeah because we know how many times they used that plan in the 7 years between HL and HL2.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Yeah because we know how many times they used that plan in the 7 years between HL and HL2.


0 times? Just cause they didnt use it before doesnt mean they wont use it now

[Corp. Sheepo]

Wow, you guys are stupid.

[Darkedge34]

Wow, you guys are stupid.

ur stupid lol

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Wow, you guys are stupid.

Yeah, god forbid we say what we think.

[Corp. Sheepo]

Um, yeah, I was definitely challenging your freedom of speech there. The thing is, for the facts, you guys are very wrong, and for the opinions, they're formed early and without really having any basis for them.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Ill change my opinion on L4D2 as more is revealed about it.

[Shem]

Looks like its just a time filler between l4d and ep3. Valve needed a way to get money between L4D and Ep3, so they took all their l4d DLC and slapped a "2" on the box.

I disagree, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were a part of the L4D2 Boycott group since you seem to have the same thoughts as them. VALVe already made a big profit from the release of Left 4 Dead, why would they need more money when they already have enough to make Episode Three? They are making Left 4 Dead 2 so they can please their fans, not score money off of them. Right now, the game may look like downloadable content for Left 4 Dead, but as the months go by, it will become it's own, new game; we just have to be patient with VALVe.
Its a word for word copy of their plan.

No, it isn't.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Right now, the game may look like downloadable content for Left 4 Dead, but as the months go by, it will become it's own, new game; we just have to be patient with VALVe.

Thats what i was saying. Right now, i dont think highly of L4D2 because it looks like DLC. If, as you say it will, it becomes its own new game, then ill probabaly buy it.

[Corp. Sheepo]

I'm not quite sure what you're waiting for. Is there some magic video that's going to pass the magical threshhold from LOL I SHOULD HAVE IT FOR FREE FOR SOME REASON to a respectable purchase?

[Mingag Dinosaur]

I'm not quite sure what you're waiting for. Is there some magic video that's going to pass the magical threshhold from LOL I SHOULD HAVE IT FOR FREE FOR SOME REASON to a respectable purchase?

Ill be watching the development of the game to see if it becomes anything more than DLC.

And i never said i should have it for free.

[BlueWolf72]

All characters in l4d2 will be new and even the bad guys get new skins. THIS IS WHY I keep saying the boycott was lame and who ever joined is lame and 2 lames = a lime. Ice Tea anyone?

Seriously do your research visit the google section of your browser and type in l4d2 and you will Chet and Doug from vale are all over the place doing interviews allowing gaming websites to fly out to Valve to play L4d2. Yes it is so unfair a game developer who makes games decided to "make" a game. Yes it was unfair for them to purchase CS and turn that into a profit to. It was a outrage when they did it to DOD.

PS: PAX (google it) is coming soon and they will have a l4d2 booth if you go you will new stuff. Each trade show more is shown.

PPS: They used old models in the DEMO so you would see the new maps and zombies and guns. Thus, a demo and a teaser.

[Corp. Sheepo]

Um, into what? The game isn't going to change I'm afraid. It's shipping in three months. What you see now is what the game will be.

...

Then get it from Steam. You pay for it, then you download it. DLC!

Edit: At dino.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Then get it from Steam. You pay for it, then you download it. DLC!


Verrry clever.

[Corp. Sheepo]

I'm honestly kidding. What is the point of demanding something be DLC if you pay for it anyway?

And my first point was most important, and I'd like a response to it.

[Mingag Dinosaur]

Um, into what? The game isn't going to change I'm afraid. It's shipping in three months. What you see now is what the game will be.


If you meant that by your first point, then the answer is that i simply wont buy the game. Not relating to the boycott or anything, i just won't want the game.

[Darkedge34]

I agree with Mingag.

ALSO,
L4D 3 WILL COME OUT WHEN 2 HAD BEEN OUT FOR LIKE 5 SECONDS.

[BlueWolf72]

I agree with Mingag.

ALSO,
L4D 3 WILL COME OUT WHEN 2 HAD BEEN OUT FOR LIKE 5 SECONDS.

wut, dont be stupid.

[Darkedge34]

It's quite true.

[Shem]

I agree with Mingag.

ALSO,
L4D 3 WILL COME OUT WHEN 2 HAD BEEN OUT FOR LIKE 5 SECONDS.

Please don't start...

[Corp. Sheepo]

I'm guessing that Darkedge is kidding.

[MorganFreeman911]

We're always hoping, right :P

[Darkedge34]

I'm guessing that Darkedge is kidding.

I am quite an enigma.

[Corp. Sheepo]

I am quite an enigma.

Moron or comedian, will we ever know?

[Eejit]

Can't he be both?

[Darkedge34]

It seems to be illegal to dislike a Valve game on this forum.
Would you guys be kissing ass over it if Valve had not made it?

[CyberPitz]

You can dislike the game all you want.

Don't have a retarded reason, though.

Deja Vu.

[Darkedge34]

ur gay lol

Also, what reason?

[Corp. Sheepo]

Well, you said you agreed with Mingag, and pretty much none of his reasoning made any sense.

[Darkedge34]

Whats good about L4D2?

[lefty]

It's everything good about L4D but better, minus what was bad.

[Darkedge34]

It's everything good about L4D but better, minus what was bad.

Like what?

[lefty]

Shooting lots of zombies with friends, minus the exploits and pointless hordes.

[Darkedge34]

how would you know that? have you played it? Theres going to be exploits obviously, and gay pointless hordes. that's the whole game.

All I've seen that is new is a silenced smg (why would you need that for zombies) and some stupid melee weapons. The rest looks the same.

[lefty]

Then you're purposefully ignoring content and information just so you can feel justified being unhappy about an unreleased game, and you're beyond help or me caring.

[Darkedge34]

What content? a black guy and a frying pan? I bet you guys wouldnt give two shits about this game if Valve weren't making it.

"If Valve re-released Pong and sold it for $50, everyone would buy it."

[Murray]

The french guy(?) reminds me of Paxton Fettel from F.E.A.R..

[Pi Mu Rho]

how would you know that? have you played it? Theres going to be exploits obviously, and gay pointless hordes. that's the whole game.

All I've seen that is new is a silenced smg (why would you need that for zombies) and some stupid melee weapons. The rest looks the same.

Remind me, how does the pipebomb work in L4D?

Also, stop trolling. Or I'll ban you.

[Darkedge34]

Stating your opinion is apparently trolling.

[Pi Mu Rho]

Stating stupid, inflammatory opinions is.

"black guy and a frying pan"

Yeah.

[Corp. Sheepo]

What content? a black guy and a frying pan? I bet you guys wouldnt give two shits about this game if Valve weren't making it.

"If Valve re-released Pong and sold it for $50, everyone would buy it."

L4D2 has 5 brand new campaigns in an entirely different setting, with 4 new survivors, many new weapons and items like different pills and stuff, entirely new melee weapons, several new special infected which encourage better play style, new aspects that the AI director controls, wandering witches, gauntlet gameplay which looks way better than finales, better damage system on zombies, all released with versus mode, survival mode, a different uncommon common for each campaign, more story, and a new mode which we haven't been told about yet.

[Van_Halen]

What content? a black guy and a frying pan? I bet you guys wouldnt give two shits about this game if Valve weren't making it.

"If Valve re-released Pong and sold it for $50, everyone would buy it."

And what exactly do you base this off of? Every one of Valve's games that I've played has been incredibly fun. It's not that we're brainwashed, it's that we appreciate those who do good work, and Valve has never disappointed. All of these newcomers to Valve's products believe that what they see is a repeat of Left 4 Dead, but Halo 2 was just a repeat of Halo 1 with a new story, and slightly better graphics, and nobody bitched about it. With Left 4 Dead 2 we're getting slightly better graphics, (Only slightly, but they're none the less better) new Weapons, New Enemies, entirely different cast & setting, new elements of the game to keep it from getting repetitive at all, and all you can do to shoot it down now is ignore the new features, and pretend that Valve has somehow wronged the entire community by releasing this. This entire boycott is grasping at straws to stay together at this point, and now you're just taking cheap shots at valve.

And you, my friend, are nothing but a troll at this point.

[Apocalypse89]

I'm skeptical and not too excited about L4D2, but I've decided to keep an open mind when I remembered that I felt the same about L4D1("a co-op zombie game? aren't there already a million mods about that?"). We'll all see when it's released, maybe the boycotters will be right and it'll be Valve's first major mistake in their 12 year existence, or it might surprise me like its predecessor did.

[Darkedge34]

And what exactly do you base this off of? Every one of Valve's games that I've played has been incredibly fun. It's not that we're brainwashed, it's that we appreciate those who do good work, and Valve has never disappointed. All of these newcomers to Valve's products believe that what they see is a repeat of Left 4 Dead, but Halo 2 was just a repeat of Halo 1 with a new story, and slightly better graphics, and nobody bitched about it. With Left 4 Dead 2 we're getting slightly better graphics, (Only slightly, but they're none the less better) new Weapons, New Enemies, entirely different cast & setting, new elements of the game to keep it from getting repetitive at all, and all you can do to shoot it down now is ignore the new features, and pretend that Valve has somehow wronged the entire community by releasing this. This entire boycott is grasping at straws to stay together at this point, and now you're just taking cheap shots at valve.

And you, my friend, are nothing but a troll at this point.

What if i just don't want L4D2 at this point?

[Eejit]

Doesn't mean you aren't trolling when you say the only new features are " a black guy and a frying pan".

[Pi Mu Rho]

What if i just don't want L4D2 at this point?

There's a big difference between just not wanting L4D2, and trying to tell people that there's not really anything new in it.

[Darkedge34]

I'm not trying to troll. It really just looks like a rehash of the first one, it could start to look better, but i don't see it happening.