When it comes out, will you be doing this?

[zombieturtle01]

Black Mesa Source<Half-Life 2< Episode 1<Episode 2< and then play Episode 3 for the first time?

I know I will, I want to play through all the others before I play Ep.3, no matter how excited I am. I'll just have to calm myself so I don't rush through the games to get to Ep.3.

I think that will be quite epic, I'd I'll be more than willing to set aside many hours to play through all of them before Ep.3, that way it will feel like one huge epic.


I actually intend to avoid playing HL1, Black Mesa Source, HL2, Ep.1, Ep.2 at all until it comes out.
Black Mesa Source will be hard to resist though if it comes out before.

[Corp. Sheepo]

I'll probably play HL1 instead of BMS

[Cpt Tenacious]

That's what I did when I got the Orange Box.

[Naudian]

Your arrows are backwards. >.>

I might do this, though I think I'll play HL:S instead of BMS.

[test]

I'll probably play HL1 instead of BMS

This.

[ZachAttack]

Is it almost done or something?

I didn't think it'd ever come out.

[Naudian]

EP3? It'll be a while yet.

[riomhaire]

I'd play HL1, not BMS.

[Loke]

No, I've already played through most of them too many times. Besides I already did it once before the release of Half-Life 2 (including BS and OP4). Maybe I'll go through EP2 some time though as I have only completed it once.

[zombieturtle01]

i'd rather go through bms to give it a more realistic feel

[Justincase3]

I doubt it. I've only done this once through HL, OF, BS, HL2, and EO. But that was last year or the year before. And if I do anything like that again, I'll be starting with the Myst series and start working my way up to Half-Life through all my other games.

And I think it would be better to play through HL the way Valve made it. I want BMS, but not for the sake of playing through all of the games, just to see a new way to experience Half-Life. I may though, use this mod for HL:S I have, an HD mod that makes things look unbelievably good. It's the next best thing to BMS, yet while still retaining a very close feel to the original Half-Life. So if I did play through HL-HL2:EThree. I'd do it with that mod, not BMS.

[zombieturtle01]

I doubt it. I've only done this once through HL, OF, BS, HL2, and EO. But that was last year or the year before. And if I do anything like that again, I'll be starting with the Myst series and start working my way up to Half-Life through all my other games.

And I think it would be better to play through HL the way Valve made it. I want BMS, but not for the sake of playing through all of the games, just to see a new way to experience Half-Life. I may though, use this mod for HL:S I have, an HD mod that makes things look unbelievably good. It's the next best thing to BMS, yet while still retaining a very close feel to the original Half-Life. So if I did play through HL-HL2:EThree. I'd do it with that mod, not BMS.

what mod is this?

[PaoloM]

We have no idea when Black Mesa will be out (months, years?). It looks awesome but it's a mod, not the original one. Original HL1 has a different feeling to me.

[Przemek]

It's pretty likely I will do that, starting with HL1 or BM:S. I'll start playing at least a few days before Ep3 is released, so it won't be too tempting to play it when it's just laying there on Steam ;)

[zombieturtle01]

We have no idea when Black Mesa will be out (months, years?). It looks awesome but it's a mod, not the original one. Original HL1 has a different feeling to me.

I thought they were shooting for the 10 year mark of HL1?

[Samon]

I wouldn't play BMS over HL.

[Blackthorn]

If BMS does come out before Ep. 3, I'll definitely be doing exactly what ZT plans. I'd be picking BMS too just to give a consistent visual flow to the games. That is, if it doesn't suck.

[DEATH eVADER]

BMS > Ep3
Ep3 > BMS

depending which one is released first

[Nicky 0123]

Nope, I did that for Episode 2 but I don't think I'll do it all again for Episode 3, I had a massive buzz for Ep2 I don't think I'll feel the same about Episode 3. Its gona be good but sad in a similar way, think about it, Its the end of HL2 :(.

But I will play BMS most of the time instead of normal HL.

[LackingSaint]

Naaa, i'll probably just go straight for ep3, the first time anyway. I'm sure after completing it i'll play through the whole series for nostalgic value.

[zombieturtle01]

I'd be picking BMS too just to give a consistent visual flow to the games. That is, if it doesn't suck.

^This. Good reasoning.

I might play through BMS first to see what it's like, to see if I like the atmosphere, that or I'll play through BMS for the first time once Ep.3 comes out, if I dislike the atmosphere or how they are doing somethings, I'll just switch over to HL.

In addition to what GreatBlackthorn said, the other reason is that I've played through HL many, many times, I know it like the back of my hand, BMS on the other hand is the same thing but majorly aesthetically altered, and minorly linearly altered, this is a good thing in my eyes because it will add a more realistic feel, and at the same time change the maps slightly enough for it to feel like a new exploration, yet familiar Half-Life settings.

[kupocake]

If Black Mesa is released on time, and it's good, it won't hurt to stick it into the rotation. It's rare I find any reason to play HL1 itself. It's been 10 years and I can play it in my mind any time I want now :P

[taviow]

Nope, I did that for Episode 2 but I don't think I'll do it all again for Episode 3, I had a massive buzz for Ep2 I don't think I'll feel the same about Episode 3. Its gona be good but sad in a similar way, think about it, Its the end of HL2 :(.

But I will play BMS most of the time instead of normal HL.

I don't feel sad for the end of HL2.
I feel like it's going to be epic.

[Crazy_killer]

I really want to play HL1 but i'm a man of graphics and quality so I don't really enjoy playing low-quality games (well it's low quality because it's old, it was state-of-the-art once).

However I don't think BMS will ever get the perfect Half Life atmosphere, I am a singleplayer mapper in Call of Duty 1/2/4 and it's tons of work to make everything work - and we have NEVER seen any media or whatsoever showing that BMS has the SP scripting finished.

My geuss is EP3 will be released first..

[DEATH eVADER]

For the most part, I thought HL2 was boring, compared to the original game and episodes

and we have NEVER seen any media or whatsoever showing that BMS has the SP scripting finished.


You mean the story?

There is the bloopers reel, which gives a very minimilastic idea of where they are heading towards the voice acting. The one between the sci, guard and Tau cannon sounds good (the finished product anyway)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zlSgBPAf8yI

[Druckles]

I'd take the week previous and play each game through (including Gearbox expansions) first. Then play Episode Three when it's released.

[LackingSaint]

Hey, will Black Mesa: Source cost much?

[pistolero!]

I might play EP2 again.

[Trevelyan]

I played alot of HL 2 before EP 2 dropped. I'm sure I'll plow through HL 2, EP 1 & 2 again in the week prior to its release. Maybe HL too.

[kupocake]

Hey, will Black Mesa: Source cost much?
If they charged anything for it, they would be sued to hell by Valve.

[Druckles]

Hey, will Black Mesa: Source cost much?

It'll cost a bomb. More than your PC, most likely...

[nurizeko]

I'm just gonna play Episode 3 TBH.


It'd be like watching the entire BSG series just to get to tonights newest episode, it'd be nice, but far too long and intense a watch for me.

I still remember the prior episodes, just like I remember the prior HL games and installments so I don't need to go on that kid of gaming marathon.


I don't touch HL source either :(......waiting for Black Mesa.

[leib10]

I couldn't help myself. I would probably play Episode Two again in the hours immediately before Episode Three was unlocked, and then plow straight into it.

[nurizeko]

I couldn't help myself. I would probably play Episode Two again in the hours immediately before Episode Three was unlocked, and then plow straight into it.

Thats possible, I played ep 2 last night just for shits and giggles.

[urumax]

Playing HL1 sucks cuz the rest are so superior, specially if u played any of the episodes before HL1

[kacation_man]

I'll do it. I'd like BM ( once was BM:S, but its now just called BM ), but It just doenst feel like a reality because I've been waiting for it to come out for longer then i can remember. spend a night and play through all the games. for story line reasons I will probably play with some cheats though just to get through it. My favorite is to set the buck shots on the shot gun really high, like.. more then 500 less then 850, and its pretty much the only gun you need, other then a rocket launcher. you can blow through the game really really fast that way.

[Druckles]

Playing HL1 sucks cuz the rest are so superior, specially if u played any of the episodes before HL1

This statement is so full of ignorance it's hard to find where to start.

Let's start with the spelling:

Playing Half-Life one sucks because the rest are so superior. Especially if you played any of the Episodes before playing the original Half-Life

Now that's been cleared up, let's start with pulling it apart.

Playing Half-Life one sucks because the rest are so superior

For something to "suck", there must be others of greater value and thus of higher superiority. Therefore your statement verges on that of a tautology. We know that if you think the others are superior, that game will "suck", but it would benefit you if you explained your reasoning behind it. Was it the game play that you found not so enjoyable? Or was it the graphics that upset you?

Especially if you played any of the Episodes before playing the original Half-Life

The fact that you played the Episodes (I'm assuming you're including Half-Life 2 into "the episodes") before Half-Life shows that you probably never played Half-Life at its prime. Thus any argument that you make will probably be out of context. There are hundreds of people on this board that played Half-Life back between '98 and '04 before Half-Life was ever released. This is the sort of experience you need in order to be able to compare products of different times.

As to the superiority of the Episodes over the original Half-Life, I'm not entirely sure where you're getting your arguments from. The biggest advantage over the Episodes are the graphics that they offer. The Episodes, born in the mid to late decade at the beginning of the 21st century have an advantage over the game christened right at the finale of the second millennium. But then what else would you expect? Why would Valve produce a game with graphics so poor they barely rival a game made 6/7 years ago? I'm not sure why you play computer games if you're going to base your entire opinion on its appearance in-game.

But if the graphics of Half-Life aren't your problem but its gameplay, I'm curious as to why. There are few people in the world that would argue against Half-Life having some of the most absorbing and fun gameplay around at the time. If this is your problem with it, then I'd have to accept your opinion. However, not even giving a reason as to why you feel a certain way is downright rude.

On the other hand, you could be arguing the case that Half-Life isn't as original as the Episodes. But then I'd just have to supply you with a fistful of facepalms and I'm hoping your ignorance doesn't run that deep.

In any case, please don't repeat this comment.

[nurizeko]

Originally Posted by If only more people spelled things correctly

Playing Half-Life one sucks because the rest are so superior. Especially if you played any of the Episodes before playing the original Half-Life
Now that's been cleared up, let's start with pulling it apart.



Here, let me fix your correction.

Playing Half-Life one is not as good because the rest are superior. Especially if you have played any of the Episodic installments before playing the original Half-Life

In other news GRAMMAR FACIST GRAMMAR FACIST GRAAAAAAMMMAAAAAAAAR FAAAAAAAAAAAACIIIIIIIISTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:




:)



Plus sorry, but HL1 sucks, its only great if your 8 years old or something and then have years for the nostalgia to stew.

Nostalgia unfortunately has no tangible measurable quality to compare against, it is merely a chemical balance in the mind of certain individuals with prior experience, usually at a time when they were rather more easily amused by stimuli.


While Half-Life was at its time, a cutting edge gaming title, the passage of time has most certainly relegated it to the status of sub-par title.

Half-Life two most certainly is superior to the original in every measurable way bar personal opinion, and well, like arse holes everyone has one.



Your argument, while understandable, fails on the fact it revolves around the concept of nostalgia as a legitimate position to argue, but fails the scientific method usually regarded as the one stop shop for "sick burns" when debating.



In other news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R2XMTLl1dM

*sob* e _ e bewtifull

Ah scrub it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AlqOYkiaE

[Druckles]

Here, let me fix your correction.

I was fixing his spelling not his wording.

[Blayze]

I think I'll just watch the ending to Ep2 before I play Ep3.

[kupocake]

There are few people in the world that would argue against Half-Life having some of the most absorbing and fun gameplay around at the time.
Presumably, these are the people that have played as far as Residue Processing which feels like it was outsourced to the Sonic the Hedgehog design team. Floating conveyor belts, random ovens, big squishy pistons and big pools of radioactive goop? It's a shame Gordon didn't turn blue in the waste compactor.

Yes Half-Life was the best game of its time, and took a while to be topped, but that doesn't give it immunity from constructive criticism in this day and age. The Half-Life series hasn't just become graphically superior, the gameplay experience has been refined through a growing understanding of how players interact with titles and a knowledge of what constitutes interesting player interactions. Half-Life 1 is a clunky world of Jumping and Timing puzzles, enemies that take Eighty bullets to the face before keeling over and uninspiring treks through air-vents and sewer systems. Sure it has its inspiring moments of incredible adrenaline rush that survive until this day, but for every amazing Surface Tension moment, there have been three times as many in the following titles.

edit: Though of course, Half-Life still has every chance of being better than Black Mesa.

[Ubik]

didn't Black Mesa: Source die? I really hope it didn't because it looked epic, but it looks like it's dead.

[riomhaire]

They aren't ****ing dead

[zombieturtle01]

I will never say HL2 is better than HL1 or vice versa, they both have their pro's and con's, I am not basing this off of nostalgia either, I played HL for the first time about 2-3 years ago when I was 15. Granted at the time I had a very outdated computer so it was exciting to play something like that, but that's not the reason I refuse to say HL2 is better than HL1 or HL1 is better than HL2.

They are both very different games, HL1 is what really set of the series (well obviously), and HL2 took it to a whole new level. Like my children, I love HL1 and HL2 equally, they are both uniquely awesome in their own way.

[Druckles]

It's a shame Gordon didn't turn blue in the waste compactor.

Haha. I always laughed there. But then it did give it "variety". Besides, it was just a much more condensed version of a lot of Half-Life chapters. Take the Xenian levels, for instance.

but that doesn't give it immunity from constructive criticism in this day and age.

This, I have no problem with. This,

HL1 sux coz Eps wer beta LOL!

I have a problem with.

[SpectreBlofeld]

Presumably, these are the people that have played as far as Residue Processing which feels like it was outsourced to the Sonic the Hedgehog design team. Floating conveyor belts, random ovens, big squishy pistons and big pools of radioactive goop? It's a shame Gordon didn't turn blue in the waste compactor.


I love me some Half-Life 1, but that was pretty damn funny. :)

In many ways, I prefer the gameplay in HL1 to the sequels. Everything seemed to move so much... faster, somehow.

I can say this for certain: HL1 deathmatch was waaay more fun than HL2DM.

[krazyfragger]

I couldn't help myself. I would probably play Episode Two again in the hours immediately before Episode Three was unlocked, and then plow straight into it.

yeah, that's probably what i'd do.
Actually, i'd drain the lizard and stock up on coffee and donuts first between the episodes, but then it's full speed ahead, and If I use cheats the first time through I don't know what I'll do to myself.

[Apocalypse89]

I'm going to go through an HL2>Ep1>Ep2 playthrough right now.

Not sure if I'll ever do another playthrough of HL1.

[kupocake]

Everything seemed to move so much... faster, somehow.
Perhaps in certain chapters. Surface Tension was pretty fast paced for instance, but I felt progress for most of the game was always very slow, especially when you consider how much ground you cover in vehicles in HL2. Think of a soldier fight in Half-Life and you think of four shotgun blasts to take them down. A combine soldier in HL2 is two shotgun shots, or a vague fling with a heavy object.
I can say this for certain: HL1 deathmatch was waaay more fun than HL2DM.
I think it's not unfair to say that HL2 DM was an afterthought. I mean, it was literally made after HL2's release, released with two maps and later patched to include community maps to give it some vague variety. It was never really meant to compete, hence why HL1 DM is much, much better.

[Narvi]

I remember being really bored during the office levels. Then the tentacles appeared and I stopped being bored.

I also stopped playing the game for two years after that, but that's just me.

[elkaebee]

Residue Processing was, in fact, a figment of Gordon's imagination. The sequence created by Vavle to show a little more insight into the deranged, sick mind that is Gordon Freeman.
After being knocked out by the HECU, the HEV suit took over Gordon's body, escaped through a vent in the trash compactor, and fought it's way to the very beggining of "Questionable Ethics", where Gordon suddenly awoke and began killing aliens willy nilly.

Unfortunately for us, what we experienced in Mr. Freemans' mind while he was out was identical in every respect as to what the HEV experienced during time of said knockout.

[LackingSaint]

Yes, HL1 is a classic, but to be honest, I don't see why some fans get all up in arms when someone says they prefer HL2+. At the time of HL1's creation, it was merely a few guys wanting to make a game similar to Doom and coming out with what turned out to be a birlliant game at the time. So I wouldn't be pushing my luck to say HL2 was better than HL1, because it was more well-thought out, with it's own unique design, story and gameplay.

[SpectreBlofeld]

Perhaps in certain chapters. Surface Tension was pretty fast paced for instance, but I felt progress for most of the game was always very slow, especially when you consider how much ground you cover in vehicles in HL2. Think of a soldier fight in Half-Life and you think of four shotgun blasts to take them down. A combine soldier in HL2 is two shotgun shots, or a vague fling with a heavy object.


I mean, LITERALLY faster! As in, all the enemies and you yourself literally *moved faster*.

[Xendance]

I tried doing it for the Orange Box, but I failed and only just managed to complete Half Life 2 a few hours before the release of Episode Two.
Luckily, there was a recap at the beginning of Episode Two, so I'm hoping that would be in Episode Three as well.

[zombieturtle01]

Playing HL1 sucks cuz the rest are so superior, specially if u played any of the episodes before HL1


Plus sorry, but HL1 sucks, its only great if your 8 years old or something and then have years for the nostalgia to stew.
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I'll do it. I'd like BM ( once was BM:S, but its now just called BM ), but It just doenst feel like a reality because I've been waiting for it to come out for longer then i can remember. spend a night and play through all the games. for story line reasons I will probably play with some cheats though just to get through it. My favorite is to set the buck shots on the shot gun really high, like.. more then 500 less then 850, and its pretty much the only gun you need, other then a rocket launcher. you can blow through the game really really fast that way.

I don't think I'd ever need cheats to get through a HL game I've already played, the first time can be difficult, but after that it always seems quite simple to me. *shrugs* Just me.

There are hundreds of people on this board that played Half-Life back between '98 and '04 before Half-Life was ever released. This is the sort of experience you need in order to be able to compare products of different times.

I am an exception in this situation, I played HL and HL2 for the first time in about a year's difference. I love them both equally.


Your argument, while understandable, fails on the fact it revolves around the concept of nostalgia as a legitimate position to argue, but fails the scientific method usually regarded as the one stop shop for "sick burns" when debating.

You are wrong, I never played HL until I was a Sophmore in HS which was about 2-3 years ago. By no means would I say HL sucks. Granted at the time I only had an outdated machine to play outdated games, so HL was a gem, but even so, a year later I got a new computer and played HL2.

Thusly, HL's awesomeness is not based on nostalgia, but on the fact that it is simply awesome.

[Lucid]

Episode 3's going to be out way before BMS.

[Probydoby]

yeh probably, when BMS is released, (10 years from now?) everyone already forgot about half life and everyone is like... black mesa?? what is that? screw it

[FF7Vincent]

i'll definatly do this

[freeman1993]

I'll just start with Hl2 first then go through the rest till episode 3

[Shamrock]

That reminds me, when the bloody hell is Black Mesa Source going to be released? How far along are they?

[Iron_cube]

The mod is a portfolio project for the members and will not necessarely be released.

Also OP got the list wrong.

HL1 > Op4 > BS > HL:S > BM:S > HL2 > HL2LC > EP1 > EP2 > EP3 > Minerva > Portal

Minerva deserves it's own place in the list imo.

[alehm]

Black Mesa will be out around the same time as Half Life 3.

[Nitre]

Probably yes, not sure about HL1 though, it frustrated me somewhat.

[Vegeta897]

The mod is a portfolio project for the members and will not necessarely be released.

Also OP got the list wrong.

HL1 > Op4 > BS > HL:S > BM:S > HL2 > HL2LC > EP1 > EP2 > EP3 > Minerva > Portal

Minerva deserves it's own place in the list imo.
The whole point of half life is that we're following every step of Gordon Freeman. Why would OP4 and BS and Portal etc. be in there?

[Iron_cube]

Oh, no one specified this.

Alright then, that's just me own lil' list of singleplayer goodness :)

[Vegeta897]

Doesn't really need specification if you ask me. I mean that's just what I'd prefer if I were to do it.

Tis a good list though.

[Druckles]

HL1 > Op4 > BS > HL:S > BM:S > HL2 > HL2LC > EP1 > EP2 > EP3 > Minerva > Portal

Minerva deserves it's own place in the list imo.

So you want to play through Half-Life three times before you play Episode Three?

Hm, good luck with that.

[FlotsamX]

I'll be doing Opposing Force and Blue Shift instead of the original Half Life, which was VERY annoying for me.

[Operational]

I'm not planning on replaying HL2 until the graphics update comes out, I know it's probably ages away but that's kinda the point.

Depending upon when it comes out I'll probably replay Ep1 and/or Ep2 just before Ep3 is released.

[Druckles]

I doubt the graphics update will be released before Episode Three.

[Operational]

I doubt the graphics update will be released before Episode Three.
Very probably.

[Druckles]

I'll be doing Opposing Force and Blue Shift instead of the original Half Life, which was VERY annoying for me.

You just don't know hardcore games when you see them!

Very probably.

I was actually surprised it wasn't released with Episode Two. I'd certainly appreciate it if they released it in the run up to Episode Three. Re-released it or something. Might give more people an incentive to pick up a 4 year old game.

[FlotsamX]

You just don't know hardcore games when you see them!

Half-Life was an annoying game for me, after the chapter "We've Got Hostiles". It revolved around annoying puzzles that you had to backtrack half a level through to finish, and combat of HECU grunts so implausibly difficult that you had to play through it 5 times, just to finish that part up with 15 health. Half Life 2 really improved alot of things, when you look at the original, as did Opposing Force.

[Iron_cube]

So you want to play through Half-Life three times before you play Episode Three?

Hm, good luck with that.


Absolutely no problem with me.

You obviously don't know me well enough :hmph:

Might give more people an incentive to pick up a 4 year old game.

This has nothing to do with anything. 80% of the ep2 content is still from "that 4 year old game".

I still play DoomDM with a bunch of friends sometimes and there are still plenty of starcraft servers around, your point is invalid.

Unless you mean people stopped buying HL2. Which is also wrong.

[Druckles]

Absolutely no problem with me.

You obviously don't know me well enough :hmph:

That's fine by me, but I'm not going to wait 21 hours to play Episode Three because I want to play the same game through three times.

This has nothing to do with anything. 80% of the ep2 content is still from "that 4 year old game".

I still play DoomDM with a bunch of friends sometimes and there are still plenty of starcraft servers around, your point is invalid.

Unless you mean people stopped buying HL2. Which is also wrong.

Neither of which I meant. Giving the engine improvements to the maps and game of Half-Life makes it more attractive. Fact. That can't be "wrong".

[Hobopro]

I think EP3 will prolly be out before BMS. Or BMS will be infested wiv buggs.