Halo 3

[Jangle]

Saw this on Digg and thought I'd see what people here make of it.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/lordbill/H3_WSJ_CHIEF.jpg


The graphics do look impressive considering all the commotion about the game not having next-gen graphics. Although I thought it must be a cutscene, according to the post on the Bungie website it's in-game.

[Gorgon]

excellent, I just want this picture in Ultra-HD

[Dalamari]

I could see that being in-game, but the graphics look like every other game on the 360, nothing special

[CyberPitz]

Couldn't you technically say, a cut scene shot IS STILL In-Game? That looks too, "Woah" with non-next gen graphics.

[Warbie]

Looks impressive enough to me. If we get visuals of that quality and a decent framerate Halo 3 will look excellent.

[Bad^Hat]

Guh, apparently nobody gave you guys the memo. Cutscenes are in-game/in-engine/whatever now. What's the last time you saw a game cut to a full motion video cut-scene on a next-gen console? Never, that's when. It's been phased out already, and games are better off for it.

Semantics aside, looks purdy. Little lo-res, but I've never given much of a crap about detailed textures anyway. The most impressive part to me is the use of bloom/HDR - or rather the lack of. It's just the right amount of shiny, which is impressive for Halo.

Edit - Just me, or does his left hand look kinda like a taratula creepin up on his gun there? :o

[Samon]

We've already had about 3 campaign screens?

[Javert]

Ugh, pop over in the gametrailers forum and you'll hear PS3 fanboys bashing how the Halo 3 trailer was a lie because its model was more detailed than the one shown here.

I'm just about ready to give them a death sentenc.e

[TCfromBN]

Sorry, that screenshot doesn't do anything for me.

[Samon]

What annoys me is Bungie's "let the speculation commence." **** you. Speculation? Over that ****ing screenshot? Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my, check it out, grass! I wonder what this means for the Halo storyline?!

[knut]

**** sake, Bungie must of released about 4 Halo 3 shots involving the Master Chief just standing there, looking aimlessly into the horizion. SHOW US SOME LOCATIONS OTHER THAN ROCKS AND MOUNTAINS.

[Kyorisu]

I guess Bungie took lessons in useless media releases 101.

[destrukt]

.. but the graphics look like every other game on the 360, nothing specialBased on what, 1 or 2 images from SP? Right..
We've already had about 3 campaign screens?Link(s)? :o


I want gameplay footage in 720P of SP, damn it Bungie!

[Eejit]

Edit - Just me, or does his left hand look kinda like a taratula creepin up on his gun there? :o

Yep. I wonder if that's what we're supposed to speculate about. Do characters now have large spiders instead of hands?!11

[Acepilotf14]

The only thing good that came out of halo was the success of the xbox and Red Vs Blue.

[Samon]

Link(s)? :o

http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_4068992.html

Besides, there's nothing wrong with the graphics, they look absolutely fine. It's gameplay Bungie needs to work on.

[Adrik_Senturu]

Well seeing as they want us to speculate, the only thing I noticed was that maybe sort of kind of the reflection in his visor looks like some big ****ing exlposion in the distance. Like a mushroom cloud I guess. Than again I could just be seeing things.

[Warbie]

This looks so badass. Best gameever, HL2 is doombed!!1 \o/

[Samon]

No, doomed I can handle but...but not doombed!!

[Icarusintel]

Bungie fails. Release gameplay footage you twats.

[<RJMC>]

nothing special,well is halo

sure the conference of that screenshot is

"we wanted to maximize the halo experience,so like all the other game,we will make this so repetive,no more repetive! that the previous games,now heres the forest and mountains levels that are of the new ring world discovered which is a exact copy of the previous ones"

[Warbie]

No, doomed I can handle but...but not doombed!!

Exactly :)

But in all seriousness, it's doombed!!

[Acepilotf14]

No no... NOW THERES THE OLAH!!!!

[dream431ca]

I think bungie stated that there would be a photo mode in the single player, so you can take pictures. If that shot is from the photo mode, then that's not real gameplay graphics. Photo mode adds additional anti-aliasing, plus some other effects, just like in PGR3 or Forza 2.

[achilles_d]

What annoys me is Bungie's "let the speculation commence." **** you. Speculation? Over that ****ing screenshot? Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my, check it out, grass! I wonder what this means for the Halo storyline?!

lmao,

legend.

[VictimOfScience]

Looks good as a next-gen should at this point, but I have just never cared about Halo ever since I played the first one way back when. Good for someone without a PC, but if you had a PC at the time, Halo was just so much boring and uninspired hijinks. And yes, if that is photo mode, then its not the best representation of the game itself. Oh well...E3 is just around the corner after all!! :bounce:

[Uriel]

I see nothing special about that screenshot.

To me that's like taking a picture of a HL2 character, and slapping

"HALF LIFE 3"

[BHC]

Is it just me, or is this the least exciting media ever?

:| Whoa, high-poly master chief holding a gun. I've seen more impressive HL2 mod renders.

[AJ Rimmer]

Well... it could be worse. It could be a poorly-rendered screenshot of MC standing there, holding a gun.

[AHA-Lambda]

Yeah but I think alot of 360/halo fanboys were expecting more and that definitely has to be a cutscene not actually ingame gameplay but as it has been mentioned bungie are twats for not releasing any SP gameplay footage.

The only thing good that came out of halo was the success of the xbox and Red Vs Blue.

YAY! RVB FTW!

[StardogChampion]

I could pull off that background in the Unreal Engine 2.5.

[Baratos]

I dont mind the lack of single player info. The stuff given before Halo 2 came out gave the impression everything took place on Earth, when in fact only 3 levels were there and half the game was spent following an Elite. It was like if Valve had said you would spend all of Half-life 2 in Ravenholm, but you really spent most of your time playing as a Strider on the Moon or whatever.

What annoys me is Bungie's "let the speculation commence." **** you. Speculation? Over that ****ing screenshot? Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my, check it out, grass! I wonder what this means for the Halo storyline?!
I go to the Bungie forums alot, and there seems to be a discussion going on as to whether or not, in the year 2552, there is snow on Mt. Kilimanjaro based entirely off that picture. Those people are so intense it frightens me.

[VirusType2]

What annoys me is Bungie's "let the speculation commence." **** you. Speculation? Over that ****ing screenshot? Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my, check it out, grass! I wonder what this means for the Halo storyline?!


No, doomed I can handle but...but not doombed!!
I laughed my ass off. You win.


I think the screenshot looks amazing, but I'm more concerned with trivial things like - is the game going to be fun?

[99.vikram]

Contra 4 sounds a lot more promising, tbh.

[DEATHMASTER]

I want some impossible, aka pc version surprise announcement.
*goes back to waiting for 2009 to come*

[ríomhaire]

I go to the Bungie forums alot, and there seems to be a discussion going on as to whether or not, in the year 2552, there is snow on Mt. Kilimanjaro based entirely off that picture. Those people are so intense it frightens me.
Those people have problems *Goes back to debating whether or not Gordon Freeman wears a helmet*

[-Psy-]

Most over-hyped game evar? We shall see.

[kupocake]

Looks nice enough, though the background looks like a simple one, and there is nothing shown beyond that and the Master Chief. We can expect Bungie to be putting most of the graphical detail into the MC for the (in-engine) cutscenes (which this undoubtedly is since Halo is a First Person game :P ).

Regardless, I look forward to upgrading to the Post Vista, DirectX 11 Windows Platform in order to play it.

[taviow]

What annoys me is Bungie's "let the speculation commence." **** you. Speculation? Over that ****ing screenshot? Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my, check it out, grass! I wonder what this means for the Halo storyline?!

You deserve to be quoted. May I?

[Samon]

Go for it.

[Bacons]

What annoys me is Bungie's "let the speculation commence." **** you. Speculation? Over that ****ing screenshot? Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my, check it out, grass! I wonder what this means for the Halo storyline?!

I laughed so ****ing hard in months. :D
I am temped to sig it.


Also I saw the IGN link to the Halo 3 concept art, screens, and campaign screens, the concept art is horrible... Valve's artwork is outstanding, where as Bungie's is ****ing terrible.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/halo-3-20060510005846845.jpg

See what I mean?

[ríomhaire]

How many more times am I going to see pictures of the Master Chief standing while holding an assault rifle? :-\

[BHC]

How many more times am I going to see pictures of the Master Chief standing while holding an assault rifle? :-\

Until Halo fanboys stop getting a chubby every time they see Master Chief holding weapons.

[armanguy]

so obvious its ingame you can tell its normal mapped if you thought that was a cg cutscene your crazy!

[VirusType2]

I'm pretty excited about this game. I think 90% of the game you will be posing in various parts of a deserted plain holding a rifle. Further into the game, there will be mountains.

Legend has it, you can do S.O.S. signals with the sunlight reflecting from your armor.

[Asuka]

Looks nice, A litte hyped about this game, more for the coop then anything else.

[Exploder]

Go for it.

Ah I love you already! You're so quotable :D

Farcry's AI was good, I mean... you throw a rock down the mountain. "OMG WTF SHIT CALL IN THE CHOPPER."

Haha!!!

[knut]

I laughed so ****ing hard in months. :D
I am temped to sig it.


Also I saw the IGN link to the Halo 3 concept art, screens, and campaign screens, the concept art is horrible... Valve's artwork is outstanding, where as Bungie's is ****ing terrible.

*snip*[/IMG]

See what I mean?

Concept art isn't meant to be stunning, it's just meant to showcase a quick idea to someone so they understand what you're talking about, or to show a scene off, or thousands of other things. I, and I presume they did, would of spent about 5 minutes drawing that picture up and that's the idea. You look at that picture and you straight away know it shows the MC walking out of wreckage, and thus, the concept art works.

[Lucid]

I laughed so ****ing hard in months. :D
I am temped to sig it.


Also I saw the IGN link to the Halo 3 concept art, screens, and campaign screens, the concept art is horrible... Valve's artwork is outstanding, where as Bungie's is ****ing terrible.

*snip*

See what I mean?

No, I think it's fantastic for concept art.

[Docm30]

No, I think it's fantastic for concept art.
No, it's really not; it's shitty concept-art if you can't tell what it is supposed to be.

[Que-Ever]

so obvious its ingame you can tell its normal mapped if you thought that was a cg cutscene your crazy!
Is this guy for real? I can't tell.

Concept art isn't meant to be stunning, it's just meant to showcase a quick idea to someone so they understand what you're talking about, or to show a scene off, or thousands of other things. I, and I presume they did, would of spent about 5 minutes drawing that picture up and that's the idea. You look at that picture and you straight away know it shows the MC walking out of wreckage, and thus, the concept art works.

How many times have we seen MC walking out of an explosion? Without it looking like somebody sneezed on a doodle pad?

[ríomhaire]

No, I think it's fantastic for concept art.
Not really. It's just the Master Chief holding a gun and some fire and crap around the place. Seeing that the Master Chief already has a finished design this is really a concept of sweet **** all.

[knut]

No, it's really not; it's shitty concept-art if you can't tell what it is supposed to be.

If you can't tell that this picture indicates a character walking forward from out of some sort of burning wreckage then... well, I don't know, but that's what this picture is meant to show, and that's all it's meant to show. You're not meant to study a piece of concept art as a masterpiece, just something to fill in the gaps of, say, a hard to explain idea you have for a trailer, or something.


How many times have we seen MC walking out of an explosion? Without it looking like somebody sneezed on a doodle pad?

Feth knows, but as far as I'm aware this is a early piece of work, and this is simply a piece of work that some artist at Bungie threw together in 5 minutes to show the other devs. how to capture said scene. Nothing more, nothing less.


Not really. It's just the Master Chief holding a gun and some fire and crap around the place. Seeing that the Master Chief already has a finished design this is really a concept of sweet **** all.

Again, forget the MC, as this isn't finalised art for a character, a location, a weapon... it's a quick sketch that would go together with a series of other sketches to give the animator of the trailer (first Halo 3 trailer, I do believe) a basic idea of how it should be set out. And in this case, ''this scene shows the MC walking out from within some burning wreckage'', ''the next scene shows MC...'', etc.

[Que-Ever]

Apology accepted.

[kupocake]

Bungie make functional, occasionally interesting concept art, just as their typically tight schedules let them make functional, occasionally interesting single-player games. Valve concept art is beautiful, but you sure do wait around to see both it and the game it's intended to be part of.

[Baratos]

I am confused. Is concept art supposed to go in an art gallery, or is it just supposed to illustrate a concept?
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3687/depotyd1.jpg
Pretty. But it wasnt even in the game.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/674/pcgamerelitecovrk4.jpg
Slightly less pretty, but does it not illustrate the subject just as well as the preceding picture?

[knut]

Baratos: As far as I know the picture of the depot was made a while before the games release, so whether it was in or not isn't important, as when whoever it was was drawing/making it the only thing he had in mind was ''here's an idea of a structure, take a look at it, tell me if you want it implemented later on and I'll draw up more of it'', etc.


Kupo: Oh yeah, obviously theres artists out there that put some real effort into their work, and it shows, but whether the concept art/storyboard took 5 minutes of 5 hours isn't the point, as no one ever says the picture is meant to look stunning or groundbreaking. When I'm drawing or making concept art for a product or something I've been thinking up in my head I personally only spend about 5/10 minutes doing it and I only ever do the bare essentials, but I make sure those bare essentials are clear enough for someone to take a quick glance at and acknowledge. And with this picture, it doesn't take more than a glance to see that it's a guy walking out of wreckage, so it works.

[Samon]

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3687/depotyd1.jpg
Pretty. But it wasnt even in the game.


Ya it was.

[Baratos]

Ya it was.

Where? Was it one of the coastal chapters?

[Samon]

The depot itself is seen a few times in Nova Prospekt (as well as some bits taking place inside). That said though, I'm not quite sure what your point was. Concept art is for a concept, whether it appears in the game or not is irrelevant.

[knut]

Oh yeah, I forgot it was in the game. It's like behind Nova Prospekt. When you're fighting the gunships outside, in that courtyard area, you can see it in the distance behind a few other buildings.

Personally I would of LOVED to have gone to that location as seen in the concept art as I love things to do with bridges, high up suspended railway lines, walkways over vast drops... which is why I enjoyed the train bridge on Highway 17 so much.

[Tagaziel]

Saw this on Digg and thought I'd see what people here make of it.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/lordbill/H3_WSJ_CHIEF.jpg


The graphics do look impressive considering all the commotion about the game not having next-gen graphics. Although I thought it must be a cutscene, according to the post on the Bungie website it's in-game.

Half-Life 2 looks better.

[Bacons]

No, I think it's fantastic for concept art.


Your not getting the point, I meant to say Valve's artwork and creativity is FAR superior of that, than say Bungie's.

They put little effort in the concept art, looks like shit to me. I could draw that.


http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/half_life_2_005.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/half_life_2_059.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/half_life_2_079.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/gordonsnow1024.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/innercity.jpg


Now this is quality work.

[Silarn]

Bit of a resurrection, but...

To me, those Bungie images aren't concept art. They're storyboards. Storyboards ARE quick sketches - meant to show key points in a major animation. They only have to be detailed enough to identify the things within them.

Concept art is meant to give a detailed idea of an item, location, or creature with the intent of then bringing that image in-game or at least posing it as a possible idea. They're meant to show things that haven't been seen before. Arguing that the Bungie images are concept art is ridiculous since they are nowhere near detailed enough to do what concept art is intended to do, nor do they depict anything new.

Arguing that they are terrible is equally pointless, because the intent of the image was entirely different. On the other hand, why Bungie thought those particular images were worthy of a media release, I have no idea.

[Stigmata]

Bit of a resurrection, but...

To me, those Bungie images aren't concept art. They're storyboards. Storyboards ARE quick sketches - meant to show key points in a major animation. They only have to be detailed enough to identify the things within them.

Concept art is meant to give a detailed idea of an item, location, or creature with the intent of then bringing that image in-game or at least posing it as a possible idea. They're meant to show things that haven't been seen before. Arguing that the Bungie images are concept art is ridiculous since they are nowhere near detailed enough to do what concept art is intended to do, nor do they depict anything new.

Arguing that they are terrible is equally pointless, because the intent of the image was entirely different. On the other hand, why Bungie thought those particular images were worthy of a media release, I have no idea.Listen to this man.

[leib10]

http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_4068992.html

Besides, there's nothing wrong with the graphics, they look absolutely fine. It's gameplay Bungie needs to work on.

And story. And level design. And music.

[L3adCannon]

Looks good, too bad Halo and Halo 2 are below anything on the PC, ain`t gonna get this.

[V-Man339]

I think Half Life kicks Halo's butt, because have you ever seen a part in Halo that was puzzle like other than "Where the heck am I supposed to go!" or something like that? Bungie has made yet another shooting gallery and nothing more. Valve innovates and does a damn good job at it. Ever heard of the Zero Point Energy Field Manipulator (gravity gun).
If you listen to the commentary in Hl2 Episode 1 you'll hear some of them talking about people getting tired of just fighting, something called fatigue (may have spelled that wrong). To fix this problem they put in stuff like puzzles and that sort of thing. Apparentley Bungie thinks a game is supposed to be nothing more than a deathmatch with aliens from another race, at which point you might as well call it a sequel to the orignial Doom, except with a mildly entertaining story-line.
Bungie is full of unimaginative, Microsoft owned (yesw I went there), idiot developers.
In my honest opinion the Halo series is one of the most over-hyed/anticipated/loved/played series [I]ever/I].

[-Psy-]

After discovering Half-Life 2, I felt the need to play H2 again.

Sigh...Where to begin?

[Warbie]

Looks good, too bad Halo and Halo 2 are below anything on the PC, ain`t gonna get this.

:laugh:

[Samon]

I think Half Life kicks Halo's butt, because have you ever seen a part in Halo that was puzzle like other than "Where the heck am I supposed to go!" or something like that? Bungie has made yet another shooting gallery and nothing more. Valve innovates and does a damn good job at it. Ever heard of the Zero Point Energy Field Manipulator (gravity gun).
If you listen to the commentary in Hl2 Episode 1 you'll hear some of them talking about people getting tired of just fighting, something called fatigue (may have spelled that wrong). To fix this problem they put in stuff like puzzles and that sort of thing. Apparentley Bungie thinks a game is supposed to be nothing more than a deathmatch with aliens from another race, at which point you might as well call it a sequel to the orignial Doom, except with a mildly entertaining story-line.
Bungie is full of unimaginative, Microsoft owned (yesw I went there), idiot developers.
In my honest opinion the Halo series is one of the most over-hyed/anticipated/loved/played series [I]ever/I].

Whilst I agree with pretty much everything you said, I'm pretty sure their were large arrows on the floor pointing the way forward. I dunno. It's been awhile.

[Stigmata]

I got lost in Half-Life 2 far more than I did in Halo 2.

[Warbie]

If you listen to the commentary in Hl2 Episode 1 you'll hear some of them talking about people getting tired of just fighting

They were just tired of the fighting in HL2. Point and click ftl ;)

[Stigmata]

Also I find the combat in HL2 to be really, really boring. But only when it doesn't involve the Manipulator or watching big physics things happen (i.e. killing Striders or taking down Gunships).

[Sui]

The thing is, Half-Life 2 doesn't have 4 player coop :|

[Samon]

I got lost in Half-Life 2 far more than I did in Halo 2.

Walk forwards not backwards.

[Warbie]

The thing is, Half-Life 2 doesn't have 4 player coop :|

Every time I read that it causes a big smile. 4 player co-op :)

[ríomhaire]

Half-Life really isn't that innovative.

Edit: Fixed spelling because Samon threatened me.

[Warbie]

Agreed, but it's always done most things very well. Valve just need to raise the bar with the combat (and ditch the shite vehicle sections ;) )

[Sparta]

Half-Life really isn't that innovative.

Edit: Fixed spelling because Samon threatened me.

Did you mean to say Half-Life 2?

Because if you mean that Half-Life wasn't innovative for its time, then GTFO.

[Bakurei]

I really don't understand any of this halo hype... I bought an xbox 360 few months ago and haven't even thought of buying Halo 3. I played the first Halo on the xbox and was like meh (got bored after about 20min). Then my friends said that it's better with co-op. Yea it was in someways more atracting but it was still the same shitty game.

After a few months I discovered that pretty much everyone agreed when I said that Halo was utter BS. But they always added 'it's great with co-op'. First shit then co-op. Sigh...

[Rapstah]

Four player co-op? Mods give HL2 32 player co-op.

[Tagaziel]

Half-Life really isn't that innovative.

Edit: Fixed spelling because Samon threatened me.

With buttsex? :naughty:

[-Psy-]

Four player co-op? Mods give HL2 32 player co-op.

What a silly thing to say Rab. Modern day PCs are roughly 10 times more powerful then the Xbox.

*hands out captain-obvious badge to Rab*

[Cormeh]

Shock horror - a Halo thread degenerated into a Half Life vs Halo/PC vs. Xbox strumash.

[Samon]

Hey, we are nothing if not original at Halflife2.net.

[Uriel]

Every time I read that it causes a big smile. 4 player co-op :)

If it's Co-Op you're after, then Left 4 Dead will obliterate all in it's path.

[Warbie]

Very different games. Left 4 Dead looks great fun in a frantic blast everything, co-op meets tdm, cover you team mate kind of way. It's certainly one i'm looking forward too, but in a more traditional multiplayer sense - working your way through maps rather a campaign. Halo 3 is going to be a far more tactical and story driven experience - working in a group, covering each other with snipers, using vehicles - should be crap loads of fun and offer a load of options. The HL2 mods that support 32 players are so different it's silly to even make the comparison.

I played the first Halo on the xbox and was like meh (got bored after about 20min)

There's no chance you can appreciate what Halo does well in 20 minutes. Infact, after the first play through on casual settings I was slating it on forums just like this. 7/10 at best. Then I was introduced to Legendary and everything changed. Say what you want about Halo (on the xbox, the pc version wasn't up to par), but it takes more skill and offers more challenge and scope to for improving your game than any other single player shooter. By far. After that you can run through games Like far Cry, Fear, you name it, and not have to think - because all they are in comparison are mindless point and click. Halo co-op is easily one of the best fps co-op experiences to date and multiplayer is good, simple fun.

Phew, needed to get that off my chest - all set for another few weeks of no Halo ranting while the rage bar fills up again :)

[Uriel]

Very different games. Left 4 Dead looks great fun in a frantic blast everything, co-op meets tdm, cover you team mate kind of way. It's certainly one i'm looking forward too, but in a more traditional multiplayer sense - working your way through maps rather a campaign. Halo 3 is going to be a far more tactical and story driven experience - working in a group, covering each other with snipers, using vehicles - should be crap loads of fun and offer a load of options. The HL2 mods that support 32 players are so different it's silly to even make the comparison.



There's no chance you can appreciate what Halo does well in 20 minutes. Infact, after the first play through on casual settings I was slating it on forums just like this. 7/10 at best. Then I was introduced to Legendary and everything changed. Say what you want about Halo (on the xbox, the pc version wasn't up to par), but it takes more skill and offers more challenge and scope to for improving your game than any other single player shooter. By far. After that you can run through games Like far Cry, Fear, you name it, and not have to think - because all they are in comparison are mindless point and click. Halo co-op is easily one of the best fps co-op experiences to date and multiplayer is good, simple fun.

Phew, needed to get that off my chest - all set for another few weeks of no Halo ranting while the rage bar fills up again :)

Halo is still crap. It can't be summed up more than saying, it's a good fps for a console, and a terribly mediocre game for the PC. In comparison they are mindless point and clicks? Please. Halo couldn't be more simple and bland. Okay, you state that it takes more than skill and offers more challange? Wtf? I beat it on legendary my second time playing. Nothing hard or challenging there. Just boring boring boring.

There's hardly any variety in the AI you fight.
The weapons suck balls.
There's no puzzles or anything that requires a great amount of brains.
The map design is repetitive and boring as watching paint dry.
There are no NPC's that you feel attached to and no one that you feel you want to die for.
The story is full of yawn.
It's too damn colorful.

Yes, the Hl2 mods that handle 32 players are completely different. Difference is, they are infinitely better. Not just games produced by valve or use the valve engine. All other team based games. It's different because you can cover each other with snipers? Pfff, wow. I'll go play DoD:S if i wanted to be covered by a sniper. Yah want vehicles? Go play any of the BF games. There's no other game that requires more teamwork than those games right there. How is it "far more tactical"? You hide, shoot, throw, repeat.

If I wanted a good Co-Op experience, I'll go play the original DOOM.

[Doppelgofer]

elvis is mint

[Samon]

Say what you want about Halo (on the xbox, the pc version wasn't up to par), but it takes more skill and offers more challenge and scope to for improving your game than any other single player shooter. By far. After that you can run through games Like far Cry, Fear, you name it, and not have to think - because all they are in comparison are mindless point and click.

This is so damn mundane. Instead of providing an experience like other games strive for, it just offers up a shooting gallery. Bungie - and this is a fact - do little more than place enemies in the players path throughout their levels. That is *all* you do in Halo.

[kupocake]

Halo series Co-Op IS very fun, but no more fun than every other Co-Op game under the sun that can be played in a room with a group of friends and enough snacks and alcohol to stave off death with.

[Warbie]

I beat it on legendary my second time playing. Nothing hard or challenging there. Just boring boring boring.

You must be rather good then ;)

The combat is still more engaging than any single player shooter i've played on the pc - and fps are my thang, having played in clans for years and everything single player from the original Wolfenstein, to Sin, Shogo, SS etc all the way to modern day shooters. None require as much quick thinking or practise. I'll also point out there's a big difference between being able to survive Legendary and making it your bitch.

I don't see the point in comparing co-op Halo to multiplayer games, either, as they are very different experiences. Playing pc fps online is nothing like taking out ai in a story story driven campaign with a bunch of friends. Both can be superb for different reasons.

And you're right Samon, it is pretty much just a shooting gallery, just one that demands and rewards a great deal if combat floats your boat and if you're prepared to put the time in. The fact is - most modern fps, on any platform, bore me when it comes to combat. I honestly can't remember the last pc fps that didn't have painfully medicore gun battles, and certainly none that match Halo. It may be *all* you do in Halo, but it's done well.

Halo series Co-Op IS very fun, but no more fun than every other Co-Op game under the sun that can be played in a room with a group of friends and enough snacks and alcohol to stave off death with.

There's certainly some truth in this. I'd argue that Halo does it better than most. The annoying thing is that so few developers even bother with co-op when it can be sooo much fun.

[Samon]

It may be *all* you do in Halo, but it's done well.

I don't exactly disagree with that, as you know.

[Warbie]

Aye, we just have to complete the circle every month or so to prevent the universe from imploding.

[ríomhaire]

Did you mean to say Half-Life 2?

Because if you mean that Half-Life wasn't innovative for its time, then GTFO.
Yes, I did mean Half-Life 2, but I can't be arsed to edit my post again, so :P

With buttsex? :naughty:
I WISH!


Halo is quite medicore and it's true that the only thing going for it is combat, but I for one think that the combat is excellent. I like the weapons system and the enemies and I think they work nicely. If you use your weapons effectivly it is possible to take down even elites and hunters without pouring clips and clips of ammunition into them, which is not true for Halo 2, unfortunatly. They nerfed the weapons and brought in brutes. I hate brutes.

[Samon]

Brutes were the only good thing about Halo 2.

[DEATHMASTER]

Are you kidding me, they have no shields but take like 3-4 hits with an energy sword to kill, a sword described to be able to go through the MJOLNIR armor in the books can't go through a gorilla's skin? Yeah they were a formidable foe but that just kinda annoyed me, lightsaber invincibility is not to be given so easily.

[Samon]

I just went to town on them with the grenade launcher melee.

[Rapstah]

Everyone seems to hate Halo 2, yet everyone appears to have played it.

Except for me. I admit I played some H2DM on a friend's Xbox, but that's all. I disliked the weapons and loved the ragdolls (I had never seen ragdolls before, mind you, except for Goldeneye: Rogue Agent which wasn't the best game ever).

[DEATHMASTER]

the G.L.s melee was overpowered tbh, but at least it didn't have the benefit of the lunge. Funny how they died in one needler explosion but take 48938 plasma rifle hits.

[Samon]

except for Goldeneye: Rogue Agent which wasn't the best game ever).

No just the worst.

[Rapstah]

It wasn't too bad, you know, interesting storyline with Bond influences and all.

[Samon]

Nah, it definitely wasn't 'too bad'. It was ****ing horse manure.

[Stigmata]

All Bond games since Goldeneye have gotten progressively worse.

How did we get onto Bond again?

[AHA-Lambda]

GERA is the worst game I have ever played (I didn't pay for it though I borrowed it funnilly enough the friend I borrowed it from didn't want it back I can see why)

[Gorgon]

The manual got leaked on the... Visit Digg.com for more info :)

[Samon]

Have links gone out of fashion?

[Adabiviak]

I just finished Halo 2 for the first time yesterday. I like shooting galleries and enjoyed it (I'm also replaying Doom 3 for the 20th time now XD). Haven't there already been videos from Halo 3 out that show a lot more for speculation than that mug shot? All I gather from that shot is that the original assault rifle is back and MCs new suit appears the same as the previous versions despite the upgrade.

[knut]

There's quite a few pictures out from the campaign now. Well, of that one level anyway.

[Qonfused]

Have links gone out of fashion?

Long time ago. You missed it.

[knut]

http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/haz3a.jpg

[Samon]

New preview:

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/814/814567p1.html

[Stigmata]

Sounds like it's going to be better than Halo 2, at the very least. Which still doesn't say much :P

[knut]

New live action clip

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mvnZ74xzumw

Pretty cool, if a little cheesy.

[Warbie]

Some gameplay footage:

http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360-hires/5264/SinglePlayer-Montage-GC-2007-OffScreen-HD/

I'm getting quite excited now :)

*puts fingers in ears and sticks out tongue*

[Samon]

Doesn't work gtfo Warbie etc

[Warbie]

Works for me nubcake :)

[Sparta]

Works for me nubcake :)

Well its an online forum and not a podcast, so you might want to cover your eyes from reading the comments instead of blocking your ears. Which does nothing.

Silly Warbie.

[Polaris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KFX8UDZGKY
Game design and graphics, anyone? :|

[Warbie]

Silly Warbie.

:(

[Rapstah]

That's horrible map design.

[Stigmata]

That's horrible map design.Because 45 seconds of a guy walking in a 5-by-5-meter area of an enormous map shows you the whole thing.

[Rapstah]

I'm sure what they didn't show us has better design than what we saw, I'm sure. :naughty:

[Stormy]

ZzzzZZZZZ

[Warbie]

More footage, some old some new.

Click me (http://gameinvasion.comcast.net/gameinvasion/show/#1266429_halo_3/profile)

Click me (http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/vid_2094853.html)

Saved vid demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h53hi12o30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carEdcKcxW8

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7099/halo3campaignoutskirts0vq0.jpg

Not long now :)

[Cormeh]

I'm actually really looking forward to Halo 3, thanks for the info Warbie.

The multiplayer Beta was stable, pretty and most of all fun. I hope the SP is a bit more engaging this time around.

[burnzie]

*snip*

Game design and graphics, anyone? :|

I'm sure thats probably a bad representation but the rock formations look like they swiped the map from HL1.

was that really Halo3?

[TheDude]

I'm really looking forward to this as well. There's no better gaming experience than playing Halo on legendary with a few buddies. Hell, playing Halo on legendary by yourself is a great time in itself. Not long now.

[Warbie]

Being able to record demos and send them to mates is going to be awesome. I used to spend hours downloading Golden Eye speed runs (56k back then :/) and watching RTCW demos etc so am well into this kind of thing.

[knut]

Cool footage, Warbie. Theres some leaked Epsilon (some kind of event, I gather?) footage on Youtube showing the new human Hornet in action, aswell as some bad quality footage of the Elephant transport/base tank, both on the biggest map 'Sandtrap', which looks well awesome.

Personally, Halo 3 is the thing I'm most looking forward to right now. Episode 2 is there aswell, tied, but I know I'm not going to get the same replay value out of Orange Box as much as I will Halo 3. Just getting back online with all my close mates again, on the night of the release day, like back two years ago when we'd all meet up in a lobby and play some Halo 2, a good 7 to 8 of us. We haven't all played a game together in ages now - at least not a game we can all stick to for more than a month (GoW was hella fun but got old, and BF2:MC) but Halo 2 kept us gaming for a good year and a half or so.

[Warbie]

Theres some leaked Epsilon (some kind of event, I gather?) footage on Youtube showing the new human Hornet in action, aswell as some bad quality footage of the Elephant transport/base tank, both on the biggest map 'Sandtrap', which looks well awesome.

Some of that is shown in the second 'click me' - at least the massive vehicle is.

I'm getting excited too now - launch night will be great fun with people playing co-op, online matches and sharing tips, tricks and cool runs via demos. With Mass Effect, Mario Galxy and Metroid Prime on the way, not to mention Portal, TF2 etc, it's hard not to be a very happy gamer at the moment :)

[Lt. Drebin]

I don't know what to think about the campaign. Looks beautiful, but Halo 2 kept me interested for all of an hour before I jumped into the multiplayer...which I still play. And, the only thing that kept me playing Halo was Coop mode.

I'm getting this game, but I'm getting nervous. I am praying for an epic campaign, but am not letting my hopes get too high.

[Warbie]

At the very worst expect some epic battles, with lots of shit blowing up and vehicles driving/flying around, and a very meaty, feature packed game. Halo 3 is going to be fun on many levels - if it turns out to be great at any of them then that's just a nice bonus.

[jimbo118]

why cant i get excited for this? i never played halo or halo2 but this is like the biggest upcoming 360 game and i amn't pumped for it :(

[Stigmata]

That's not normal. You should get that checked out.

[Sparta]

At the very worst expect some epic battles, with lots of shit blowing up and vehicles driving/flying around, and a very meaty, feature packed game. Halo 3 is going to be fun on many levels - if it turns out to be great at any of them then that's just a nice bonus.

I'd say that's pretty much guaranateed.

At the absolute best, this is going to be the best FPS game to ever come out a console, but Halo 2 did promise the same thing and failed there. So if it comes close, or matches the fun that Halo was i'll be plenty happy.

[Stigmata]

I'd say that's pretty much guaranateed.

At the absolute best, this is going to be the best FPS game to ever come out a console, but Halo 2 did promise the same thing and failed there. So if it comes close, or matches the fun that Halo was i'll be plenty happy.True, but it seems like Bungie at least had a half-decent reason why Halo 2 sucked so much. It looks like they've fixed everything that was wrong with it.

Here's hoping that Halo 3 mixes the balance and awesomeness of the original with the huge step up in online functionality and sheer content that Halo 2 brought.

[brink's]

At the very worst expect some epic battles, with lots of shit blowing up and vehicles driving/flying around,

Wow...sounds exactly like the first two...

[Warbie]

Since when were epic battles a bad thing? :)

I'm looking forward to rushing into battle with marines next to me, lazers and vehicles everywhere, drop ships coming into land. I don't see any other fps offering it, especially for 4 people to play in online co-op. Even if Halo isn't your cup of tea, anyone who isn't useless with a joypad will likely enjoy the co-op side of things.

[Lt. Drebin]

I don't see any other fps offering it, especially for 4 people to play in online co-op. Even if Halo isn't your cup of tea, anyone who isn't useless with a joypad will likely enjoy the co-op side of things.

I'd say that's what I'm looking forward to. The Co-op play...I just don't know what else the series can do...outside of the multiplayer, little else kept me interested. I expect the campaign to be rather lame by itself...I've seen this show two times now...if it weren't for the fact that EVERYONE is going to stop playing Halo 2 multi, I'd probably just stick with that and save myself $60. It'll be just like CS...when Source dropped, there were no good 1.6 servers left...ahh well...

[Mr-Fusion]

I laughed so ****ing hard in months. :D
I am temped to sig it.


Also I saw the IGN link to the Halo 3 concept art, screens, and campaign screens, the concept art is horrible... Valve's artwork is outstanding, where as Bungie's is ****ing terrible.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/KaMaKaZi-BLiTz/halo-3-20060510005846845.jpg

See what I mean?
Interesting. Master chief becomes anorexic and becomes a little skinny vomitting bitch?

[Kula Meenur]

^^ OH **** i lol'd so hard

[Warbie]

Interesting. Master chief becomes anorexic and becomes a little skinny vomitting bitch?

That was worth bringing up again :thumbs:

Bit of a resurrection, but...

To me, those Bungie images aren't concept art. They're storyboards. Storyboards ARE quick sketches - meant to show key points in a major animation. They only have to be detailed enough to identify the things within them.

Concept art is meant to give a detailed idea of an item, location, or creature with the intent of then bringing that image in-game or at least posing it as a possible idea. They're meant to show things that haven't been seen before. Arguing that the Bungie images are concept art is ridiculous since they are nowhere near detailed enough to do what concept art is intended to do, nor do they depict anything new.

Arguing that they are terrible is equally pointless, because the intent of the image was entirely different. On the other hand, why Bungie thought those particular images were worthy of a media release, I have no idea.

[Samon]

On the other hand, why Bungie thought those particular images were worthy of a media release, I have no idea.

Because Bungie - and a fact this may well be - are PR whores. Their heads are so far up their asses that they really don't know the difference anymore; they believe, by default, everything they release - no matter the quality - will be truly great. Has anyone even watched a Bungie interview? srsly, so cocky, so full of themselves.

Nausiating viewing

[Harryz]

So true, how they mananged to sell millions of copies of two medicore games is beyond me.

[Warbie]

Nausiating is a little strong - show me any developer interview and you'll hear similar. They're all PR whores - at least the ones good at their jobs. As for the sketch, IGN hosted it. For all we know it was just bundled in with the other media that was floating about at the time. It's the people who draw atention to the pic that are making a big deal out of it, not Bungie.

Every Halo thread degenerates into playground pointing and name calling. It's getting a little pathetic.

[Polaris]

So true, how they mananged to sell millions of copies of two medicore games is beyond me.
http://scrat.members.winisp.net/Blog/BillG_Halo2.JPG

M$ $upport?

[Bad^Hat]

Every Halo thread degenerates into playground pointing and name calling. It's getting a little pathetic.
I know you are, but what am I?

[Warbie]

So true, how they mananged to sell millions of copies of two medicore games is beyond me.

Because, in the areas that Halo is very good, it has no competition.

Halo is a natural progression of the original Doom. Something that celebrates action - that you're holding a big gun and something is going down. It does this better than any other console or pc fps - that's why it's popular.

I know you are, but what am I?

Good one ;)

[Samon]

Every Halo thread degenerates into playground pointing and name calling. It's getting a little pathetic.

People are allowed to comment, positive or negative. I wasn't name calling, I was simply pointing out the Bungie trend. The only person who oustrips them in immeasurable ego is Hideo Kojima. Sure, Bungie are swarmy and annoying, but at least they don't release ridiculous videos that focus more on the creator than the game.

I remember the MGS4 promo thing. "Metal Gear Solid 4....NO HIDEO!?!?!"

Bungie are still as cocky as ever though.

[Warbie]

That last part wasn't aimed at you, Samon - just in general.

Pretty much every developer interview sets out to make their product sound like the second coming. If anything, Bungie's ego is fuelled by how ridiculously successful they've been with the Halo franchise, which is fair enough.

Going off on a bit of a ramble - had Halo never been scraped for the pc and Halo 1 & 2 been released for both formats at the same time, I firmly beleive that 90% of every Halo bashing comment found on this and similar forums simply wouldn't exist.

[Samon]

I'm a console gamer. My bashing would be the same.

[Warbie]

But perhaps not to the same extent? There are so, so many games more deserving of bashing. You also see the areas in which Halo is good - which is more than quite a few naysayers - and therefore must understand why it has such a following. At the end of the day, bashing the aspects of a game that its fans couldn't give a toss about is rather pointless.

The reason Halo is attacked so vehemently is because it's a hugely successful console fps that was once scheduled for the pc.

[DEATHMASTER]

Halo ruled. Haters can go kill themselves plz. :|
Edited for this thread in particular :D

[Samon]

But perhaps not to the same extent? There are so, so many games more deserving of bashing. You also see the areas in which Halo is good - which is more than quite a few naysayers - and therefore must understand why it has such a following. At the end of the day, bashing the aspects of a game that its fans couldn't give a toss about is rather pointless.

The reason Halo is attacked so vehemently is because it's a hugely successful console fps that was once scheduled for the pc.

k so I see where it's good. Don't pull the Legendary card because I have beaten it on Legendary, and I did thoroughly enjoy it for the most part. But that isn't really the point. I bash the mundane gameplay and level design. These are fair complaints. Halo hasn't gone anywhere since it was released. Halo 2 was mediocre and a total step back; Halo 3 from what I've seen looks almost identical to that. I'll buy it, but I don't believe Bungie will change a thing because their game design philosophy is as flat as it was when they started.

This isn't about PC or console. It isn't about what it does well. It's about what it doesn't do well. Alot of games do things good, and alot of games do things bad. I've named the good points of Halo, but when those good points haven't been developed upon, and where new 'good points' haven't been introduced, I'm going to turn my attention to the things that suck and have stayed sucky since the series began.

At the end of the day, bashing the aspects of a game that its fans couldn't give a toss about is rather pointless.

Oh come on, you could use that argument for anything. Resident Evil fans couldn't give a toss about the difficult camera or the stiff character movement; so don't bash it it's rather pointless! Hell, I could toss up that argument everytime you knock hl2 for not being something it doesn't want to be. Dead end argument.

You also can't generalize that as the reason why it's bashed so much (PC/console thing).

[TheDude]

I totally agree that Halo 2 took a step backward. I loved Halo to death, and I beat both on Legendary. The experience that I had with Halo was one of the funnest experiences I've had with video games; but halo 2 on the other hand was missing something. Maybe it was the shitty story that made you not care, or maybe it was poor level design. Whatever it was, it was a step backward from the original halo (other than the multiplayer of course, which was well done for a console game but mediocre compared to PC multiplayer.)

[Warbie]

Don't pull the Legendary card because I have beaten it on Legendary

I never intended to and was just pointing out that you at least appreciate what Halo does well (which, considering the age of the game, has been a rather recent development?). So why the level of bashing? Is it simply because the series is so popular, for the enjoyment of telling someone a game they like is crap?. Why have so many other, far poorer games, escaped so easily?

This isn't about PC or console.

It's completely about pc vs console. Perhaps not with you, but for many. Just mentioning the words console and fps makes many pc fans snort with contempt. The fact that it is massively successful and that they got a second rate port years later only adds to their rage.

I suspect many pc gamers don't remember the original outcry when Halo became an Xbox exclusive - how the legions of Marathon fans gnashed their teath and eager pc gamers wailed - yet they're still riding the original wave it casued.

It isn't about what it does well. It's about what it doesn't do well. Alot of games do things good, and alot of games do things bad. I've named the good points of Halo, but when those good points haven't been developed upon, and where new 'good points' haven't been introduced, I'm going to turn my attention to the things that suck and have stayed sucky since the series began.

I've no problem with people disliking Halo and turning their attention to the bits that didn't work for them, it's the fact they feel the need to go over things again and again that grates. So a few parts of the game were cut and paste, fair enough, it could have been better. Did this affect my enjoyment of the game, not really.

Oh come on, you could use that argument for anything. Resident Evil fans couldn't give a toss about the difficult camera or the stiff character movement; so don't bash it it's rather pointless! Hell, I could toss up that argument everytime you knock hl2 for not being something it doesn't want to be.

So HL2 didn't want to have good combat? ;)

RE4 worked, even with the silly plot. There's so much good to focus on that lingering on its few failings doesn't make much sense to me. We could bash Mario for having a cheesey and predictable plot that never changes game after game, but what would be the point? For me, bashing the level design in Halo is no different to criticising a stage in Street Fighter 2. Sure, some of the backgrounds could have looked better and should be open to crticsim, but the focus and enjoyment was always in the fight. Halo promised 'combat eveolved' and, for many people, it delivered.

There are so many games that simply don't work at all.

You also can't generalize that as the reason why it's bashed so much (PC/console thing).

Well, why do you think it's bashed so much? Why is the hate almost universally found on pc gaming forums?

[Samon]

The internet went off when I was posting my very long reply.

[knut]

Good, then it's settled.

Steering away from pradictable talk, I've been reading through the Achievements of Halo 3 and it turns out theres 9 levels. Hopefully they will be more like Halo, stretching out missions into one long map, instead of Halo 2, where they filled space by dividing a map into two seperate levels.

[Kyorisu]

Thing with Halo has been to finish the campaign and play MP for about 30 minutes before loosing interest. I'm sure the same thing will happen with Halo 3 whenever I bother to go get a copy, possibly months after the initial release knowing my laziness towards consoles.

[Samon]

Good, then it's settled.

I'm typing it again simply because you said this.

[knut]

Good, then it's settled.

[Lt. Drebin]

Well, why do you think it's bashed so much? Why is the hate almost universally found on pc gaming forums?

I think most PC gamers are generally more disciminating...ESPECIALLY when it comes to shooters...including myself. And, Halo, as some people seem to think, is not the end-all, be-all shooter experience. IMO, definitly not the best shooters EVER made on a console...MP, Golden Eye, and PD have it beat HANDS DOWN. BUT, it's a good game, for sure. Co-op is what keeps me interested for sure. Although, I love most games with a decent co-op mode.

I get annoyed by the people that have never played another shooter except Halo, but, yet, have the balls to insult your tastes when you tell them that better shooters have been made. A lot of Halo-people live in a shooter bubble. This I know for sure...I have friends that have never played Half-Life, HL2 (even for the XBox), Metroid Prime, etc.

[Samon]

Good, then it's settled.

Not until I find the pages wherein I've posted it before. It shouldn't be hard.

[Warbie]

I think most PC gamers are generally more disciminating

I disagree - they're simply elitist. 'Console gamers not knowing any better' often gets bandied around and that pisses me off. Go to a decent console gaming forum (http://ntsc-uk.domino.org being an example) and you'll find that if anything they're more demanding of quality and more critical.

I get annoyed by the people that have never played another shooter except Halo, but, yet, have the balls to insult your tastes when you tell them that better shooters have been made. A lot of Halo-people live in a shooter bubble. This I know for sure...I have friends that have never played Half-Life, HL2 (even for the XBox), Metroid Prime, etc.

Agreed. They're no different to many 1000s that play CS, though.

[knut]

I don't consider Halo to be the best shooter of all time. I've got much respect for the Half Life games and all the rest of the fantastic shooters out there. What bothers me, though, is when people devide themselves from other games. So it's not to the standards of so-and-so in the blah-blah department of , that's no reason to dislike a game. Why have one game, when you can play two? Fact of the matter is, is that whilst people can weigh one games cons against anothers pros, theres always going to be a way to reverse that by vice versa-ing (?) the same arguement with the pros and cons of the [i]other game.

Not until I find the pages wherein I've posted it before. It shouldn't be hard.

Good, then it's settled then. :thumbs:

[Lt. Drebin]

I disagree - they're simply elitist. 'Console gamers not knowing any better' often gets bandied around and that pisses me off. Go to a decent console gaming forum (http://ntsc-uk.domino.org being an example) and you'll find that if anything they're more demanding of quality and more critical.

Well, elitist is a bit harsh. I like my wording better. No one can argue that most of the best shooters of all-time have been PC only. BUT, most of the shit also lands on a PC. I think a fine example...check most reviews of Halo and Halo 2 on the PC...they're very average at best. I and many others refuse to look at Halo in a vaccuum. I do however, plan to greatly enjoy co-op mode. :) Halo and Halo 2 to me are solid 8s. They're just not god-like games as many like to preach.


Agreed. They're no different to many 1000s that play CS, though.

LOL...I sure wouldn't argue with that.

[Warbie]

No one can argue that most of the best shooters of all-time have been PC only.

The very best, imo, are Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Metroid Prime, Halo, Half-Life, System Shock 2 and RTCW multiplayer. That puts consoles ahead by one ;)

LOL...I sure wouldn't argue with that.

:cheers:

[Samon]

Goldeneye is so ridiculously overrated it isn't even funny. I still need to play Prime, but I take it you mean the 3d version. I've only got the second one...great game.

[Warbie]

Goldeneye is so ridiculously overrated it isn't even funny

Oh no you didn't!

Cast your mind back 10 years. Nothing could touch GE, not even close.

Check out MP when you get the chance. MP2 is great fun, but the original is considerably better.

[Samon]

Nothing could touch GE, not even close.

Fixed.

char

[Lt. Drebin]

Goldeneye is so ridiculously overrated it isn't even funny.

Yikes.

That's almost as bad as Sea's argument that Mario Sunshine was better than Mario 64. :)

[Warbie]

All games age - look at Half Life now. GE lasted years and was pretty much the best thing around untill Perfect Dark came out 3 years later. HL2 could learn a thing or two from Golden Eye.

That's almost as bad as Sea's argument that Mario Sunshine was better than Mario 64. :)

heh, that was doomed from the get go.

[Yorick]

Goldeneye is so ridiculously overrated it isn't even funny.

Fixed.

char

lol what?

Name one console shooter that is better than Goldeneye.

And Perfect Dark doesn't count.

[Samon]

Halo lol!!!!

[Uriel]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Halo is a solid shooter for the console, but a very mediocre shooter for the PC.

PC's = King of shooters, hands down

Nuff said, close thread

[Stigmata]

Halo is a solid shooter for the console, but a very mediocre shooter for the PC.That's because the PC port was terrible.

[TheDude]

Goldeneye was one of the best experiences I've ever had with games. Me and my friends would put on one hit kills and superweapons and play for hours on end. And if you picked odd job you were a ****ing douche.

[Warbie]

And if you picked odd job you were a ****ing douche.

lol, so true.

One shot kills and pistols was the prefered game type with me and friends. Facility was such an awesome map.

[Vigilante]

Oh no you didn't!

Cast your mind back 10 years. Nothing could touch GE, not even close.

Check out MP when you get the chance. MP2 is great fun, but the original is considerably better.

Samon never likes any games that most normal people like. :borg::borg::borg::D;(:bonce::imu:

[TheDude]

lol, so true.

One shot kills and pistols was the prefered game type with me and friends. Facility was such an awesome map.

I actually played the game last weekend and I gotta say it lost a bit of its magic. Maybe I've outgrown it.

[Warbie]

It's just old. I played PD the other week - it looked terrible. FPS never age well.

[Stigmata]

When you're ten years old, even N64 graphics look HD.

[Samon]

Samon never likes any games that most normal people like. :borg::borg::borg::D;(:bonce::imu:

If normal people like shit I'm very sorry to hear that.

[mastag]

If normal people like shit I'm very sorry to hear thar.

Goldeneye was awesome. You are wrong. WRONG I say.


in my opinion

[A True Canadian]

It's just old. I played PD the other week - it looked terrible. FPS never age well.

Boo! Perfect Dark is still awesome. Half-Life is still awesome. It's only the average shooters that don't age well. The classics live forever. Hell, look at Doom...almost 15 years later and the game is still more fun than most FPS games today.

[Samon]

Hell, look at Doom...almost 15 years later and the game is still more fun than most FPS games today.

Hyperbole much?

[Lucid]

It's just old. I played PD the other week - it looked terrible. FPS never age well.

Meh, it still looks fantastic imo.

[Warbie]

It's the frame rate more than anything - it jumps and skips and the average is very low. After years of playing shooters at a smooth rate it kills my eyes going back to PD. It is still one of my favourite fps, but, like pretty much all games, it was by far the better experience at launch.

Doom aged well because it's so simple. A bit like Bomberman, or throwing a tennis ball against a wall. There's nothing to get old.

[K e r b e r o s]

I could see that being in-game, but the graphics look like every other game on the 360, nothing special

Jealous? :)

Halo is a solid shooter for the console, but a very mediocre shooter for the PC.

They're are some trade offs. Sometimes, Counter-Strike or Day of Defeat can be more entertaining then most console FPS, even if they're top of the line.

I find that customization is usually what defeats console shooters versus PC Shooters, where thats readily available.

No one can argue that most of the best shooters of all-time have been PC only.

It depends on who you ask. Me? I still think Quake II was a ****ing blast. On the other hand, so was Perfect Dark (the first one). For me, its whoever can make the best shooter for a given platform. I'll play Halo 2 right alongside of Day of Defeat: Source or Half-Life 2 Deathmatch.

[Noobulon]

I played me some four-player GE yesterday.
After the obligatory Stack with automatics, we moved on to Complex with proximity mines. Good times

[Sparta]

I love the proximity mines. They were the best "asshole" weapons in the game. Everytime someone got them, they'd just plant in a doorway someone had to go through in order to get to the player with the mines. And if it was a team game, two players would just camp in that area and wait for the others to walk into their death trap, to do it all over again.

[Stigmata]

I love the proximity mines. They were the best "asshole" weapons in the game. Everytime someone got them, they'd just plant in a doorway someone had to go through in order to get to the player with the mines. And if it was a team game, two players would just camp in that area and wait for the others to walk into their death trap, to do it all over again.I always shot the mines before barreling in with a shotgun :D

[Warbie]

That's why the rifle in Perfect Dark with the secondary mine spotting function was such a good a idea. I had a mate who, once getting ahead in kills in GE, would mine up a doorway and wait for the time to run out. Godamn mofo!

I'd love a new mp fps that focussed on small scale 2 v 2. Loads of weapons, gadgets, gametypes. With such a small number of people you can get away with much more in terms of map. The small toilet in Facility for example - it wouldn't work at all in something like CS, 8 v 8, but with just a couple of mates it made for awesome gun battles. There must be a demand.

[Vigilante]

That's why the rifle in Perfect Dark with the secondary mine spotting function was such a good a idea. I had a mate who, once getting ahead in kills in GE, would mine up a doorway and wait for the time to run out. Godamn mofo!

I'd love a new mp fps that focussed on small scale 2 v 2. Loads of weapons, gadgets, gametypes. With such a small number of people you can get away with much more in terms of map. The small toilet in Facility for example - it wouldn't work at all in something like CS, 8 v 8, but with just a couple of mates it made for awesome gun battles. There must be a demand.

Time Splitters 2 style, eh?

[Warbie]

Always a poor mans GE/PD. I bought them all, enjoyed most, but TS worked best for me as frantic blast everything sessions with lots of bots and a few friends. Too fast paced and hectic for the quality, tense multiplayer Golden Eye boasted. The maps and weapons weren't a patch on GE or PD either.

[Samon]

Timesplitters MP is hella fun.

[TollBooth Willie]

Timesplitters MP is hella fun.CHIMPICIDE!

[knut]

Virus, with three friends and all bots activated, is the meaning of fun. We'd often survive for more than an hour, just playing the same map, all sticking together fighting off wave after wave of relentless flaming enemies. And I'm telling you, when you're getting stormed by monkeys, cardboard robots and, I'm laughing at the thought of it, that calamari (:laugh:) character, it begins to really bore down on your mental strenght. You'd end up dying just because you were in fits of laughter at the sight of this guy with a goldfish for a head running full pelt at you with a grenade launcher.

[TollBooth Willie]

The Deer Haunter scared me shitless whenever someone played him. The sight of a human body with exposed muscle tissue and a moose head trophy mounted on it running around with a sniper rifle was incredibly frightening.

Mr. Bubbles wins the award for most ****ed up character though.

[Warbie]

It's getting closer!

Let's ride:

http://www.halo3.co.in/screenshots/H3_MP_TsavoHighway-3p-06.jpg

4 man warthog for 4 player co-op :)

[TheDude]

Jesus, this game is going to be so fun. All you better post your XBOX live gamertags when this comes out; we'll blow some stuff up.

[knut]

Loving the new look of the marines - almost ODST like armour for the legs and shoulders whilst still continuing with the ground trooper armour from Halo 2. Helmets looks pretty badass, too.

Four player Warthogs are going to be badass in Live. Theres going to be some insane satisfaction taking a fully loaded one out with a plasma grenade or rocket launcher.

[Rapstah]

Sorry if I missed something, but there's five people in that.

[Warbie]

I think the 5th guy is standing behind the vehicle.

[Lt. Drebin]

It was a good argument, just one you don't agree with. :(

LOL...just messing. To each his own.


I expect no less from Halo 3, which is such a meager upgrade in actual gameplay mechanics that I have trouble even calling it a sequel. You'd might as well just make more maps for Halo 2.

Thus my point. It's exactly what worries me. Spending $60 on a prettier Halo 2 is not something I'm terribly excited about. AND, the only reason I'm committed to it is because NO ONE will continue playing Halo 2 MP...so if I don't, because I enjoyed the MP, I'll be up shit creek without a paddle. Takes me right back to my Counter-Strike argument (1.6 vs Source).

Halo 2 MP is exactly what the series needed...it builded upon Halo...although the SP was just as shallow as the original (if not worse). Without a fundamental change in some gameplay aspects, Halo can go no further. IMO, Halo 2 should have wrapped things up...Halo 3 may actually suffer for this (critically speaking)...but who knows.

[Warbie]

I'd have thought Halo 3 would be exciting for any fans of Halo 2 multiplayer? It's only going to be bigger, prettier, with more gameplay types, vehicles, items, weapons, options. Being able to fly around maps and move stuff about pre-game is going to be cool. It's alot more than the CS to CS:S jump, which was purely visual. My hope is they sort out the balance issues and make it less of a fight for the best weapons (Halo actually had better, more balanced multiplayer imo)

I don't expect Halo 3 to match the first in single player, but hope its beter than the second. At the very least co-op will be great fun and the multiplayer a nice diversion for a few weeks (possibly years :)). It's one of those games that is just full to the brim with content. If you like what's there, there's 100s and 100s of hours worth of gameplay.

[knut]

Sorry if I missed something, but there's five people in that.

I meant four players/people as in excluding the driver. Warbie, I think the marine at the back may be sitting on tbe bumper, like you do in the humvees in BF2.

[Warbie]

That would be pretty cool - sitting on the back shooting away while the warthog bounces and skids everywhere :)

[Stigmata]

I hope that they make the passengers ride in first person like in the original Halo.

[knut]

I wish you could drive and gun the Warthogs in first person to be honest. Heck, every other vehicle too. Much prefer it like that, speaking from playing BF2 games I mean,

[AmishSlayer]

I wish you could drive and gun the Warthogs in first person to be honest. Heck, every other vehicle too. Much prefer it like that, speaking from playing BF2 games I mean,

I prefer the need for teamwork in vehicles like that actually.

[Samon]

I hope they un**** up the Warthog in 3. Best vehicle ever in 1 and then wtfbullshitgo-kart in 2.

[AmishSlayer]

I hope they un**** up the Warthog in 3. Best vehicle ever in 1 and then wtfbullshitgo-kart in 2.

Exactly, too bad it was the same in the beta though :(

[knut]

I prefer the need for teamwork in vehicles like that actually.

I meant both driver and gunner, as seperate people, being both in first person, so teamwork or not I think it just feels better.

Warthog felt fine for me in both 2 and beta.

[Samon]

Exactly, too bad it was the same in the beta though :(

:|

I'd settle for them just pasting the old warthog back in.

[TheDude]

September 25 can't come soon enough!

[Stigmata]

Exactly, too bad it was the same in the beta though :(To me it felt almost exactly like the original Warthog. THERE IS HOPE YET SALMON

[TollBooth Willie]

To me it felt almost exactly like the original Warthog. THERE IS HOPE YET SALMON
To me it felt like a metal deathtrap with you driving. :p

Hope we'll be able to pull powerslides like in the first Halo.

[Wanted Bob]

The original warthog would be nice, but without the "opps I tapped the reverse trigger once so you died automatically!"

[Wanted Bob]

I think most PC gamers are generally more disciminating.

Sadly I think thats kinda true. No matter what people tell me, I always think RTS's will never work as well on a console as on a PC. Ports to the 360 from PC (including the Orange Box) I dont like the idea of either.

[tvharti]

new videos on Gametrailers (of course no gameplay)

Museum
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24819.html

Believe in a Hero
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24859.html

[knut]

I saw the Museum ad yesterday. It's quite good. I presume the second trailer there is the last part of it? Although the end of the Museum ad says the next trailer will be released Friday (at 5pm for the UK, other times for other places)

[Gorgon]

guys, I want one of these:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/helmet06.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/helmet01.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/helmet05.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/helmet08.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/helmet09.jpg


more @

http://www.engadget.com/photos/xbox-360-halo-3-legendary-edition-unboxing/

[knut]

Has anyone seen the latest Bungie video, showcasing some proper in depth stuff on Saved Films and Forge? Christ, I'm going to have weeks of fun just editing maps and watching games I played earlier. The potential of stuff to do is mindblowing.

Wednesday can't come soon enough. I hope theres copies in store in the afternoon. I got Halo 2 dead easily on release day, so heres hoping for the same come Wed.

[Stigmata]

I can honestly say that, after watching the latest Vidoc, I'm more excited about Halo 3 than I am about Episode 2.

Also what Antipop said.

[Anthraxxx]

lol@ anybody who doubted that Halo will be good...

[knut]

It remains unsure to say what the campaign will bring to the table, but that's not what I'm getting Halo 3 for. Oh no, if Halo 2 could keep me playing online, most nights, with a bunch of friends for two years, then roll on Halo 3 Live.

First thing I'm going to do is make the ultimate Zombies match. Or should I say, Infection map, as it's now an official gametype. :D! Defense points, choke points, scarce weapon and ammo advantages but ammo caches in tricky places, roadblocks, blocked corridors...

Has anyone seen the map Sandtrap? Oh god, boarding the Elephant mobile bases for capture the flag is going to be epic.

[Stigmata]

It remains unsure to say what the campaign will bring to the table, but that's not what I'm getting Halo 3 for. Oh no, if Halo 2 could keep me playing online, most nights, with a bunch of friends for two years, then roll on Halo 3 Live.

First thing I'm going to do is make the ultimate Zombies match. Or should I say, Infection map, as it's now an official gametype. :D! Defense points, choke points, scarce weapon and ammo advantages but ammo caches in tricky places, roadblocks, blocked corridors...

Has anyone seen the map Sandtrap? Oh god, boarding the Elephant mobile bases for capture the flag is going to be epic.Too bad the Elephant moves at 2km/h :P

I can't wait to make some custom gametypes. One that my friends and I made back when Halo came out is called Warthog Run (Willeh knows I've been pimping this one a lot, but it's seriously the most entertaining gametype ever, you all have to play it), and after reading some of the custom game options pulled from the public Beta, it looks like you'll no longer need to play using honour rules for a whole lot of games.

*explodes*

[TollBooth Willie]

Stop bitch pimping your game and show me what you got Master D. :p

[Wanted Bob]

I can honestly say that, after watching the latest Vidoc, I'm more excited about Halo 3 than I am about Episode 2.

Also what Antipop said.

QFT. That vidoc was amazing, showed some really cool moments (sticky from like 300 feet away), and the water effects looked gorgeous!

Plus, yeah honour code games sucked. Cant wait for official versions of Zombies, Cat and Mouse and the traditional Warthog Wars.

[knut]

Too bad the Elephant moves at 2km/h :P

Another thing I was thinking about was a possible side-by-side attack and defense, where two Elephants are driving alongside each other, each team popping up from behind cover and manning the turrets to take out the guy just a few metres from him on the other vehicle, people jumping the gap between the two, pirate boarding style!

[Stigmata]

Another thing I was thinking about was a possible side-by-side attack and defense, where two Elephants are driving alongside each other, each team popping up from behind cover and manning the turrets to take out the guy just a few metres from him on the other vehicle, people jumping the gap between the two, pirate boarding style!I just got a fantastic idea.

What you said, but in VIP mode. Everyone gets 500% Shields, and the VIPs get 1000% Shields, only shield recharging is off. Everyone has a Plasma Sword, and the VIPs also get an Assault Rifle or some other medium-damage firearm. There's one Goal Zone that switches between each Elephant in one-minute intervals, and the only way to score points is to have your VIP stay in the goal zone or to kill the other VIP (i.e. all other points associated with killing other players are set to 0). All spawns are located in the Elephants and the VIP for a team is chosen randomly after dying. 10 or 15 second respawn time.

Eh? EH? :naughty:

[knut]

Yeah, that could be pretty good. The possibilities are endless. Who needs the other maps when theres going to be Sandtrap with Elephants? :D That said, theres a new map which - rumor has it - when played for so long Flood start to come out of quarantine areas. That should spice up the game something wicked. Imagine it; Red team are defending the flag with a solid defense, winning seems futile when all of a sudden Flood creatures start pouring out of the wall behind their base and start tearing them apart.

I'm looking forward to using the Hornet, too. It's a shame it was taken out of Matchmaking because it was so 'overpowered' - do Bungie leave the gameplay testing to the last minute? Why didn't you see this ages ago and then, y'know, make it balanced there and then? Still, I'm glad they haven't ditched it completly as it'll still be in custom games and Forge.

[Stigmata]

Yeah, that could be pretty good. The possibilities are endless. Who needs the other maps when theres going to be Sandtrap with Elephants? :D That said, theres a new map which - rumor has it - when played for so long Flood start to come out of quarantine areas. That should spice up the game something wicked. Imagine it; Red team are defending the flag with a solid defense, winning seems futile when all of a sudden Flood creatures start pouring out of the wall behind their base and start tearing them apart.

I'm looking forward to using the Hornet, too. It's a shame it was taken out of Matchmaking because it was so 'overpowered' - do Bungie leave the gameplay testing to the last minute? Why didn't you see this ages ago and then, y'know, make it balanced there and then? Still, I'm glad they haven't ditched it completly as it'll still be in custom games and Forge.I think that map is called Isolation. If those rumors are true... :D

I think the problem with the Hornet is that it's primarily a Campaign vehicle, so it's balanced for attacking fairly large numbers of enemy troops and vehicles. So putting that sort of vehicle into an environment where you're attacking eight enemies at the very most is going to end up with huge balancing problems. I guess the problem Bungie ran into was "Do we keep it out of matchmaking to keep that balanced, or do we change the multiplayer version of the Hornet to even it up?" Personally, I prefer if the campaign and multiplayer versions of a vehicle are one and the same, so I don't mind that the Hornet doesn't show up in Matchmaking. I'm happy being able to use all the vehicles in custom games.

[-Psy-]

I'm more excited about Halo 3 than I am about Episode 2.


BLASPHEMY!

caps

[tvharti]

so it is getting a 9.5 from Gamespot huh :rolleyes:

[BaconIsGood4You]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25484.html

GameTrailers video review.

[dream431ca]

Too bad my 360 had the 3 red ring thing 2 days ago..that's fine. I'm getting a new TV in December so I'll probably get Halo 3 then.

[Agent.M]

9.5 Gamespot

9.5 IGN

[Stigmata]

I found it kind of odd how the IGN review goes on and on about how the gameplay has maybe two flaws, and then gives it a solid 9.0.

But I won't lose any sleep over it. To me the scores and reviews are nothing more than affirmation that the game is in fact good.

[AmishSlayer]

Dammit...I was going to completely resist buying this game until I saw the Forge feature. This will finally let my friends and I play Halo 3 in a manner that requires skill and not base it completely around weapon control.

[AHA-Lambda]

Same here.

[Gorgon]

excellent review, just finished watching gamespot one.... beautiful.

[Wanted Bob]

Both Gamespot and IGN have great video reviews. I am somewhat concerned about the single player, but that is FAR overshadowed by my excitment for the multiplayer and Forge.

[Stigmata]

Jacked from the TXB forums:

Team Slayer on Isolation (http://pcgamingroom.com/halo/176-ts-gameplay-isolation.html)
Team Slayer on Last Resort (Zanzibar Remake) (http://pcgamingroom.com/halo/177-ts-gameplay-last-resort.html)
Team Slayer on The Pit (http://pcgamingroom.com/halo/180-ts-pit.html)
2v2 on Guardian (http://pcgamingroom.com/halo/178-2v2-guardian.html)
Killing Spree on Sandtrap (http://pcgamingroom.com/halo/181-killing-spree-sandtrap.html)

The Sandtrap video is pretty crap, and the Pit video somehow loses the HUD for about half of it. The Guardian video is my favorite, that level looks completely badass.

[Max35]

In the reviews I've read, they claim that Halo 3 has a pretty decent story, which surprised me. I'm not sure I can believe that, after what I've heard about the previous Halos.

[Sparta]

Have you played any of the Halo games?

[Bad^Hat]

Well, I'm sold. The reviews sound good (little dissapointing about campaign, but atleast it sounds better than 2) and damn did those multiplayer videos look fun. The weapon balance seems spot on for most things, and the maps look great.
The Guardian video is my favorite, that level looks completely badass.
Agreed, great to see that intimate 2v2 matches can still be alot of fun, that can't be said of many shooters. That guy was a pretty excellent player, too... (man, I just remembered how much I'm going to get my ass handed to me)