Should headcrabs be allowed to make threads?

[Dougy]

Should Head crabs be allowed to make threads?




after seeing yet another "valve owe you nothing!, you owe them your LIFE" threads and being labeled a "moron" for not liking valve, ive come to agree with the guy who said Junior patrons sutch as headcrabs should not be allowed to post topics.

not only will this stop the "you owe valve" threads but also the

"i have hl2 and my uncle is gabe"
"will half life run on my nintendo?"
"i hate the HAXOR"
"i hope the beta DL's die of ball cancer"
"a question for gabe"
"valve sucks"
"valve rules"
"spam in here"
.......

threads.

Now i know Discriminating against junior members can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are, One forum i regularly visit is TotalWar.org and when you first register you can only post in the basic 1st forum only, and after the moderators see that you arent a knob they give you access to other parts of the forums.


right now any tom dick or harry can sign up in 2 minutes and talk a lot of crap, but by making it so headcrabs cannot post threads i reckon the forum will dramatically improve in all asspects, the flamers and "noobs" will be put off by the "trial" membership and go elsewhere.



of course thats just my opinion.

Any comments?

*please note i used the "valve owe etc." as an example of the threads that i hate and shouldnt be considered as the sole reason i posted*

edit: the grammar bug strikes again.

[rndhotdog]

or maybe like, you can't make a thread untill you've replied so many times, or you been a user for so long perhapes?

[nnyexoeight000]

3 headcrabs made what people even above your own status deemed some of the best posts around.

Stop being a stereotype, it only makes you look like an ass.

[rebb]

What a coincidence that youre no Headcrab :D

[rndhotdog]

he does have a point, there are those people who make another account then sign in and make instant flame threads

[nnyexoeight000]

repeat: i "reckon" your a n00b, stop stereotyping!!!

[alehm]

Originally posted by Dougy
Now i know Discriminating against junior members can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are,

Originally posted by Dougy
Now i know Discriminating against Jews can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are,

Originally posted by Dougy
Now i know Discriminating against blacks can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are,

Originally posted by Dougy
Now i know Discriminating against gays can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are,

Originally posted by Dougy
Now i know Discriminating against Doom 3 fans can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are,

;( ;( ;(

[KagePrototype]

I say let them. It's their fault if they get flamed or banned for not reading the rules. If you're sick of a certain type of thread, just ignore them.

[Ghost Freeman]

I like it.

[fez]

again, because of a few bad people who happened to be headcrabs u summarise us all as morons? nice conclusion

[Dougy]

Originally posted by nnyexoeight000
3 headcrabs made what people even above your own status deemed some of the best posts around.

Stop being a stereotype, it only makes you look like an ass.

and suprise suprise the first flame is from a Headcrab.

if you read my post you would see this

"Now i know Discriminating against junior members can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are, One forum i regularly visit is TotalWar.org and when you first register you can only post in the basic 1st forum only, and after the moderators see that you arent a knob they give you access to other parts of the forums."

thats merely seperating the good mebers who have just started from the flamers and noobs.

[Farrowlesparrow]

How about people who registered after june shouldnt be allowed. I think thats fair dont you?

Just because i person has only recently joined doesnt mean they dont have the same right as you to make threads.

If the system is working correctly, then so called anoying headcrabs will be told they are doing wrong and they will stop.

[rndhotdog]

lmao....in gabe we trust!!!!

[Ahnteis]

Originally posted by Dougy
Should Head crabs be allowed to make threads?

No way. In fact, headcrabs shouldn't be allowed to post at all. Then the moderators can simply ban anyone who posts something stupid (this thread for instance) and soon we'll have a flame/spam-free board. True, there will be almost 0 posters but it's a small price to pay for quality posts.

[phantomdesign]

I said...

I’m not trying to make some fluffy support valve thread “cuzz itz de rite thang 2 du” thread. I’m not even going to ask you to delete your ILLEGAL beta, but I’m trying to present some common sense. Valve is making a great game (the best in my opinion), and the least you can do is show appreciation. You don’t owe valve anything or spend time protecting the source code, but this screw valve attitude is not right. If you want all of the awesome modifications for Half Life 2, I would suggest you make it an enjoyable process for valve to communicate with their customer base.


Dougy

Try making some sense.
Get your facts straight…
…then shut your mouth about people who have better things to do than spend 24/7 on HL2.net forums.








STFU with your whining. You got PWNED by my thread (http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12627), so your little jealous self, rather than presenting intelligent arguments tries to avoid the issue and eliminate the subject. I’ve got better things to do than increase my post count, so why don’t you go SPAM-OFF in private where no one can see you!

[Mr. Redundant]

thats just silly, I would rather "ignorant" people are deprived the power to post new threads.
people will just spam other threads to reach a higher status so that they can post threads.

....
look I lurked here long before I registered, and I registered back in may.. and Im only an ant lion...
you registered in September and are the same status as I.
not that it means anything Im just pointing out people will spam and become combine overnight.

[pHATE1982]

I think people should shut-up with this elitest "stfu headcrab" BS. I have seen some of the best threads on this forum started by headcrabs.

Saying threads can only be posted by people with more posts is like saying "hey everybody spam the hell out of these forums to get your post count up... then you can make NEW THREADS... w00t!"

Plus, this forum promotes freedom of (sensible) speech. Why put restrictions on someone if they have something important to say, just because they are a headcrab?

[alehm]

Originally posted by Ahnteis
No way. In fact, headcrabs shouldn't be allowed to post at all.

So basically. You are saying no one can join this forum going forward because anyone who signs up is automatically a headcrab, and since they can't even POST they will always be a headcrab.

That is not even worth an LOL

[manny_c44]

Frankly stupid posts originate from headcrabs and senior members alike. Not allowing them to post threads is unfair and not really a good idea.

The board needs to be moderated better, thats all. Mods shouldn't be afraid to close stupid topics. They also shouldn't be afraid to IP ban spammers and harrasers. We need a mod with an iron grip to clean up these boards.

[Dougy]

Originally posted by alehm
;( ;( ;(

thats wierd since when did i equate head crabs to "gays" or Doom3 fans?

trust me i can see your point that stereotyping is bad but cumon the vast majority of flamers are headcrabs as we can already tell from this very thread.

With this the "good" junior patrons can get through the neash and start threads relativley quikly, for example the other forum i stated it only takes 2-4 days max for a person to be elevated from "junior patron" to "senior patron" where they get acces to all the different discussions, and from senior patron you become a "junior member" and "senior member" etc.


all this does is stop the flamers etc.

[phantomdesign]

PS, I joined the forums 5 days after you Dougy, so why am I more of a noob? I suggest you bite you hypocritical BS before we remove your privelage to make threads and ban you for spamming.

[nnyexoeight000]

why dont you just single out jews until they convert to ... catholic.

Why dont you just single out males until they chop off their ballz.

Head crabs annoying... thats an ignorant stereotype.

you suck, down with you~ you bad person, dooooom!!!

[Ahnteis]

Originally posted by alehm
So basically. You are saying no one can join this forum going forward because anyone who signs up is automatically a headcrab, and since they can't even POST they will always be a headcrab.

That is not even worth an LOL

Silly me, I thought the blatant sarcasm was clear enough that ANYONE would catch it. Obviously not.

[rndhotdog]

Originally posted by alehm
So basically. You are saying no one can join this forum going forward because anyone who signs up is automatically a headcrab, and since they can't even POST they will always be a headcrab.

That is not even worth an LOL

he said start a thread not post replies. Also it's made where they could only post for so long then after a few dozen replies and there's no Flaming or Spamming then they should be allowed to make threads. And to prove I'm not just saying this becuase I am a Zombie now, if they did something like that I would sign up again and start all over as a headcrab to prove my point.

[alehm]

Originally posted by Ahnteis
Silly me, I thought the blatant sarcasm was clear enough that ANYONE would catch it. Obviously not.

LOL ok that is my bad. You were laying the sarcasm down thick too! Good job. :cheers:

[nw909]

I say not untill you're an antlion or higher.

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Hell Make it strider. That way only me and a few select others that dont post here no more can post :D

[nnyexoeight000]

I have an idea, lets defy the entire purpose of a forum, and just not let anyone start threads again!!!

that way, we will never have anything new to read, and no opinons to freak out about.

....bah!

[phantomdesign]

Originally posted by rndhotdog
he said start a thread not post replies. Also it's made where they could only post for so long then after a few dozen replies and there's no Flaming or Spamming then they should be allowed to make threads. And to prove I'm not just saying this becuase I am a Zombie now, if they did something like that I would sign up again and start all over as a headcrab to prove my point.

MODS don't have time for than and al the other BS on these forums.

[marksmanHL2 :)]

While were on the subject

What exactly is the highest thing you can get. In fact can we have a list of all the different stages ?

[Hudson]

There really isnt a way to work this out so thats it makes everyone happy, at least I cant see one.

[genocide604]

I agree with headcrabs not being able to start threads, but i believe they should be able to reply to any thread they want as a right.

-Even if i was a headcrab still i would understand not being able to start the discussion but to be able to ADD to it. when you show your capable of adding to the community you have the right to start your OWN CIVIL topics.

[The Cleaner]

You posting this thread is a very good argument to ban 'Ant Lions' posting threads.

[Dougy]

Originally posted by Mr. Redundant
thats just silly, I would rather "ignorant" people are deprived the power to post new threads.
people will just spam other threads to reach a higher status so that they can post threads.

....
look I lurked here long before I registered, and I registered back in may.. and Im only an ant lion...
you registered in September and are the same status as I.
not that it means anything Im just pointing out people will spam and become combine overnight.

yes thats one problem with it.

no solution is perfect.

maybe a time based sytem that would stop the spamming to gain higher levels.

and just a note

Im not saying that ALL headcrabs are idiots flamers etc. im just saying that the majority of ppl who plague these forums are Head crabs like it or not.

Hell maybe a "trial" membership where you are limited like on the other forum i stated would be better than my original idea but i took into consideration the sheer ammount of ppl who join these forums per day etc.

[nw909]

Originally posted by marksmanHL2 :)
While were on the subject

What exactly is the highest thing you can get. In fact can we have a list of all the different stages ?

nw90- er, Combine is the highest you can get.

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Cheers mate.

So where am I exactly?:cheers:

[alehm]

I think only moderators should get to post and the forums are password protected too so no one can even read what they write.

[Dougy]

Originally posted by genocide604
I agree with headcrabs not being able to start threads, but i believe they should be able to reply to any thread they want as a right.

-Even if i was a headcrab still i would understand not being able to start the discussion but to be able to ADD to it. when you show your capable of adding to the community you have the right to start your OWN CIVIL topics.

exactly my point.

i might have made it seem like headcrabs should limited to 1 part of the forum, but trust me i dont. all im suggesting is Headcrabs shouldnt be able to make threads but can reply to any thread they want.

all i want is to be able to go to the general discussion page and not have to look at the 6th page of that to find the reasonable disscussions because all the dumb ones have drove it way back there.

------------------------------------------

See this is what i wanted from this thread a discussion not a flame war.

[kastro]

rofl im a headcrab still and i registered back in may =\

[D33]

Ok, after reading three pages of community opinions and so forth I think it's time to reply. First of all similar ideas have been mentioned before, just not on public boards.

I've had someone PM me with a bunch of ideas like allowing known mature members to access a new hidden board so they can discuss things without idiots ruining the thread. I couldn't find this persons PM so apologies for lack of credit.

We are discussing things like this but we're trying to think of a way to do it without annoying people, if that is we do it at-all.

I seriously doubt we'll stop headcrabs from creating threads, there's too many problems involved with the idea.

Btw, phantomdesign - stop with the insults.

[nw909]

I think its reasonable if they can't make threads untill they get to the next level, it's not that many posts.

They should however, be allowed to post anywhere, vote on anything, and participate in any discussion untill they are truely ready to make reasonable threads and understand what is right and wrong.

[Saltpeter]

People making threads like these neither should be allowed to make threads.

Apart from that, the whole logic behind the idea is flawed. If a Headcrab would know he could not post a new thread until he'd the reach the next level, the result will be even more spam than we already have. Derr?

[fez]

they whole argument behind this is flawed. its like saying people's post count represents there intelligence, if a headcrab is an idiot, posts idiot replies to threads. once they get up a level they can then post idiotic threads, so its completely pointless

[Dhoco X]

Buhuu, my name is Dougy !

I'm superior ! I'm better than you, headcrabs is the scourge of this fórum. Ok... this is a stupid answer to a stupid thread.

Thank you for the attention.

[kidrock540]

Originally posted by Dougy
Should Head crabs be allowed to make threads?




after seeing yet another "valve owe you nothing!, you owe them your LIFE" threads and being labeled a "moron" for not liking valve, ive come to agree with the guy who said Junior patrons sutch as headcrabs should not be allowed to post topics.

not only will this stop the "you owe valve" threads but also the

"i have hl2 and my uncle is gabe"
"will half life run on my nintendo?"
"i hate the HAXOR"
"i hope the beta DL's die of ball cancer"
"a question for gabe"
"valve sucks"
"valve rules"
"spam in here"
.......

threads.

Now i know Discriminating against junior members can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are, One forum i regularly visit is TotalWar.org and when you first register you can only post in the basic 1st forum only, and after the moderators see that you arent a knob they give you access to other parts of the forums.


right now any tom dick or harry can sign up in 2 minutes and talk a lot of crap, but by making it so headcrabs cannot post threads i reckon the forum will dramatically improve in all asspects, the flamers and "noobs" will be put off by the "trial" membership and go elsewhere.



of course thats just my opinion.

Any comments?

*please note i used the "valve owe etc." as an example of the threads that i hate and shouldnt be considered as the sole reason i posted*

edit: the grammar bug strikes again.

yeah you know you have no friends when you judge people on there status as a "headcrab" on a freakin video game forum. you sir are an idiot

[The Dark Elf]

I mentioned this yesterday I think on another thread - but how about the moderators moderate threads made by headcrabs, so they don't appear instantly only when the moderator for that section allows it.. that way they can prevent the oft repeated and pointless threads but not censor the mature new users completely either

[Cheetarah654]

no they shouldnt be

[poseyjmac]

good idea fenric

[Duracell]

*sigh*

I just like reading posts, I've been registered for a while I just don't see the need to post.

Saying Headcrabs should not be able to post is rather silly and closed minded.

[Buckyfg]

OMG, I thought this was a joke, but you guys are for real.

what makes you think that you have to be a long term member (seems one month will do) of a forum to know about the game? this is too funny, are you 10 years old? if so I can forgive you.

I'm a "headcrab" and I'm also a game level designer for First person shooters, who works in games and also has a map as a finalist in the $1million "make sonething unreal" contest.

which makes me more of an authority than alot of you I'm sure, but I dont go pushing my opinons all up in your Hizzy :) Unfortunetly I have to list my credentials to be takin seriously as a "headcrab".

[just a headcrab]

how about we just make a compulsory IQ test before you are allowed to post, and if you dont score above the elitist 140 mark, then you are IP banned from the forum and humiliated by some nerds who take a forum and a game way too seriously

This thread is proof of exactly why every1 should be able to post threads, after all, if you can (and judging by this thread) then ANY headcrab should be able to make threads. You really need to drop this elitist attitude, and think you are holier than thou just because you have made more posts. As has been commented on already, it would only lead to headcrabs spamming topics to get the 100 posts. How about, something like, "stupid" threads get you a warning, you have 2/3 warnings, then if you use them all up, you get banned.. simple as that. You cant judge maturity/intelligence/thought on a new status, just cos people are new, as that is in itself highlight the lack of intelligence of people like you.. well thats me done.. some people here really need to wake up and realise theres more to life than half life 2 and halflife2.net forums... *rollseyes*

[Someone]

I personally wouldn't care one way or another since I too am more a reader than poster. But I have to say though, I have seen just as many bad threads and flames from others who are not headcrabs.

And I do see a problem with massive spam to build up post counts in order to quickly get past headcrab staus.

But of the ideas, I like Fenric1138's as one of the better ones.

[Demonmerc]

Yes, it is seriously a horrible, laughable idea. It ENCOURAGES said idiots to spam replies to threads instead making topics which are quickly deleted.

Being a headcrab has nothing to do with competency to make a thread. I'm still a headcrab, only because I don't make stupid, meaningless posts like so many others in the community. I'm 23, and a software developer. Do you think I shouldn't be able to post?

Maybe this idea would make sense if there was a 1-4 week period where no new topics can be made, but not by post count.

I really think that the only ones who care about post count/forum status are the ones who so quickly turn decent threads into meaningless garbage by adding their .0000001 cents. The idiots who have personal conversations in threads. They are as much a problem as the annoying repetitive threads in this forum.

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Buckyfg
OMG, I thought this was a joke, but you guys are for real.

what makes you think that you have to be a long term member (seems one month will do) of a forum to know about the game? this is too funny, are you 10 years old? if so I can forgive you.

I'm a "headcrab" and I'm also a game level designer for First person shooters, who works in games and also has a map as a finalist in the $1million "make sonething unreal" contest.

which makes me more of an authority than alot of you I'm sure, but I dont go pushing my opinons all up in your Hizzy :) Unfortunetly I have to list my credentials to be takin seriously as a "headcrab".

I dunno mate, I haven't felt the need to go into detail what my career is just to get some respect, I rarely do that anyway, I'm always wondering if people bother with me cause of my job or cause of me as a person. I like anonimity cause people are more genuine towards you.

I've so far been treated ok here and I turned up when the shit had hit the fan so to speak, I think its only the odd one or two who look down on people who have just joined or judge people on how many posts they've made, most here seem ok and treat you like you treat them. By the responses Dougy has had a lot of people don't really agree with his views.

[phoenix]

it's been my observation that some of the most annoying people on any forum have high thread counts.

here's some little thoughts...

Listen a hundred times; ponder a thousand times; speak once.

Don't speak unless you can improve on the silence

Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving evidence of the fact.

[Zeus]

Headcrabs not being able to create threads? What putz made up that idea?

Let me state some things about this horible idea:

1) Not all people who are noobs to this forum are noobs to HL2.


2) It will just lead to spamming so they can create threads.


3) How would you feel if you couldn't make threads, just because you don't sit around on these forums all day, posting irrevelent garbage. Having "cyber-jocks" critisize you for being a headcrab, because your posts consist of actual information, instead of posts like "well...", and "haha".

[Buckyfg]

Originally posted by Fenric1138
I dunno mate, I haven't felt the need to go into detail what my career is just to get some respect, I rarely do that anyway, I'm always wondering if people bother with me cause of my job or cause of me as a person. I like anonimity cause people are more genuine towards you.

I've so far been treated ok here and I turned up when the shit had hit the fan so to speak, I think its only the odd one or two who look down on people who have just joined or judge people on how many posts they've made, most here seem ok and treat you like you treat them. By the responses Dougy has had a lot of people don't really agree with his views.

I just felt I had to make the point, I dont need to mention what I do to get respect. I usually never mention what I do.
In my view most people here are big fans of the game and know it pretty well. but making a thread like this can make you sit back and go "what is he thinking?"

[Yatta]

http://www.petitiononline.com As much as I hate this website, I demand that someone creates a petition to fobid headcraps to create threads unless given special permission by the administrators! We must fill the streets and riot, my fellow evolved headcrabs. Whether you're Zombies or Combines, we must do this together. Now who's with me?

[segenus]

I'm all for Headcrabs not being able to make a thread, but if they can't post, how will they ever stop being headcrabs?

?:|
S

[Lucifer Crass]

Here is what is a good idea.

How about all new members have a week probation period. They cannotmake new threads only post and respond. Moderators can then give the ok to accept the account and become a board memeber. If u give them one week, it is enough time to see what is and isnt allowed. In's and outs. Workings of the board and so fourth.

I wasn't the smartest headcrab when I joined but its fine once u know how things work. And it WILL reduce spam and junk threads :)

[chimpmunk]

cmon now, its just a title, you can be a hewadcrab or a prowler and still make silly posts, this aint going nowhere
and BTW im a headcrab and proud of it

[Lucifer Crass]

U will change your tune once u hit zombie status and see how stupid 60+ headcrabs are.

[inevident]

Just because there was an influx of people when the HL2 source was stolen doesn't mean you should discriminate the people wishing to come here and talk about it.

It wasn't applied to any of you, so it shouldn't be applied to any of them.

1000 posts doesn't make you a worthy poster. It just means you've yapped 1000 times about 1000 meaningless things.

[Lucifer Crass]

I didnt say u couldnt respond, only u couldnt make crappy threads like u people do. and U DO!! Dont deny it, 80% of Threads headcrabs make are boring ass, ITS DELAYED!! or GOING GOLD TOMMOROW!! and the classic B3T@ |$ t3h l3et0rZ

[The Dark Elf]

Why not remove details of month registered and post titles from all users, make everyone equal and only the mods have any extra details, other than that everybody is the same as everyone else and maturity alone governs how people get treated, not what month they joined or how many "lol" or "I agree" posts they've made.

[Lucifer Crass]

Or not? What a stupid suggestion. Think about it and u will find out why it is so completely flawed.
On to examples http://halflife2.homelan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12682 <A nice crappy thread my by none other than a headcrab that obviously doesnt know what he is talking about.

[Lucifer Crass]

Here is another leak/beta thread that takes up space from what else......A HEADCRAB no one cares abou the beta here, technically speaking i am surprised someone hasnt deleted it yet. http://halflife2.homelan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12681

[D33]

kidrock540 - Watch your attitude, consider this a warning.

[Lucifer Crass]

Can u see what i am getting at? If there was one week probation from making threads, it would weed out all the morons that post to either flame, rage and end up getting I.P. banned. They make u people look bad. Sorry if u dont like it but its the truth.

[Sparky the Fox]

i totally agree, fenric. there's only one instance where someone with a headcrab title might not know the rules and make spammy threads, and that's if they've just registered and don't know forum etiquette. what about the headcrabs that registered back in may and just don't post much? how is being someone who got to ant lion in under a month better than someone who posts maybe twice a week?

this just seems like a feeble attempt to draw conclusions about someone from something as irrelevant as their forum status title, a.k.a. prejudice and discrimination. the closest thing you can get to understanding someone is by reading their posts, and those sure as hell don't go through a status filter to stupid/smarten them up or something.

yeah. preaching to the choir :p

[MultiVaC]

My thoughts on Dougy's idea:

[Eternity]

Hello. I'm one of the oldest registration dates here. Every single one of my posts is coherent, intelligent, and worthwhile. I also, probably, am a headcrab.

Thank you for listening, and remember, boys: posts don't equal intelligence.

[D33]

I find it highly ironic that people against this idea have made their opinion public in such a way that they themselves seem, as they aptly said "laughable" and "idiotic". All you have to say is "I disagree and here's why.."

On top of that I once again see people saying "people who post on these forums a lot need to get a life", such a rich comment.

[Lucifer Crass]

Originally posted by Sparky the Fox
i totally agree, fenric. there's only one instance where someone with a headcrab title might not know the rules and make spammy threads, and that's if they've just registered and don't know forum etiquette. what about the headcrabs that registered back in may and just don't post much? how is being someone who got to ant lion in under a month better than someone who posts maybe twice a week?

this just seems like a feeble attempt to draw conclusions about someone from something as irrelevant as their forum status title, a.k.a. prejudice and discrimination. the closest thing you can get to understanding someone is by reading their posts, and those sure as hell don't go through a status filter to stupid/smarten them up or something.

yeah. preaching to the choir :p

One week probation, so they wont be a headcrab just a normal member, after that u can go up in rank but at least people know u know what goes on around here. Do u read anything....or just scim to the bottom as fast as ur mouse will take u to the quick reply dialogue box?

[Yatta]

Originally posted by segenus
I'm all for Headcrabs not being able to make a thread, but if they can't post, how will they ever stop being headcrabs?

?:|
S
Let them post, but no making threads until after puberty.

[Murray_H]

Well in my experience, new members never read stickys or forum rules

Why doesnt some internet wizard make a pop-up (that can be disabled in your user cp options) that gives a basic outline of the rules e.g. dont spam, flame, use the search button as often as possible, dont post about the same topic over and over, use the right forums etc. etc., and then when people register and visit the forums for the first time, they get the pop-up and hopefully it should get the message through, then they disable it

/me puts a mark on his stupid ideas tally chart

[Lucifer Crass]

http://halflife2.homelan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12659

Another typical example why headcrabs are bad......................And make others look bad. Make it stop already

[DaveKap]

Maybe if we added karma points, the people in the forums could rate other people and that would decide who was good or bad.

[Lucifer Crass]

Originally posted by DaveKap
Maybe if we added karma points, the people in the forums could rate other people and that would decide who was good or bad.

Then people would make multiple accounts to boost one account to the highest

Although in theory its not a bad idea

[Yatta]

Originally posted by coolio2man
Then people would make multiple accounts to boost one account to the highest

Although in theory its not a bad idea
Now you're giving people ideas... /me creates multiplaye accounts. j/k :D

Rating systems are a bad thing in general. I won't go into detail, you can wait until a moderator explains why.

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by DaveKap
Maybe if we added karma points, the people in the forums could rate other people and that would decide who was good or bad.

I like that idea, but it could be abused, and some may begin to complain if nobody was rating them - isn't there something along those lines though where you only vote/rate people in a negative way, and if you don't rate them they gradually go up in the ratings automatically, avoiding people worrying their not being rated atall

Atleast it wasn't another "here's a link to where a headcrab did a boo-boo" post :)

[Pressure]

NO ONE UNDER HYDRA CAN POST MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

[merc]

i think the real question here is... should you NERDS be making threads about this headcrab stuff? no.

-merc

[The Dark Elf]

From the Acme book of bad idea's

Anyone who wants to post has to pay the moderator of that group five cents per post, edits remain free


Terrible idea but lets face it, that would seriously cut down spam lol

[Milo]

I have to say, this is gah!! I can't even belive that someone would think that just because a person is a "headcrab" they should not be allowed to make threads or post reply's.

Consider this.

Those people who say "down with headcrabs!" were at one time headcrabs.

The moderator that say's No new threads after a certain register date. Well if you want this community to kill itself go right ahead.

Instead I offer this, How about the moderator's do thier job and ban/suspend people who post the dumb threads. And members here do their part to report those stupid threads :)


Dont allow someone to make new threads because of their rank or post date. Thats the funniest thing i have heard all day

[Unnamed_Player]

Why do this? So some moron can make a hundred "Here's a picture of Alyx's dog!" spam posts to unrelated threads just so that he can post some flamebait?

You seem to equate being new to being stupid or an asshole. Being new equates to neither and were it to happen you would only force the assholes to spam off topic until they could post their own threads.

Dumbasses are always going to be dumbasses. Changing the rules won't get rid of them.

What would help would be if the mods enforced some of their own rules!

Shut the offending threads down before they take a toehold or dump them to another forum.

[XShrike]

I say no. Most repeat threads are start by ppl that sign up just to rant.

[Tyl3n0L]

I just don't understand your point.

I'm sure lot's of Headcrab are Headcrab just because they joined last week or something. And I'm sure lot's of them can talk with us and make valid points.
What are you thinking? Do you really think because you're a Ant-Lion or Prowler mean that they can't have a better point than you? ...

This thread should be in off topic or something.

And by the way, some Ant-Lion are dumb too.

[Sparky the Fox]

Originally posted by coolio2man
One week probation, so they wont be a headcrab just a normal member, after that u can go up in rank but at least people know u know what goes on around here. Do u read anything....or just scim to the bottom as fast as ur mouse will take u to the quick reply dialogue box?

yes, i actually read the entire thread. i'm sorry if you couldn't understand my opinion as it relates to it. as i clearly said in my reply, any kind of censorship based on post count is needless discrimination. if you actually read the thread, you'd see that preventing headcrabs from starting threads wouldn't fix the problem.

it shouldn't be the admins' jobs to make sure people read the forum rules, which they agree to when they click the shiny "Agree" button. it also shouldn't be the admins' jobs to baby-sit the forum because members, of all statuses, resort to totally needless insults and general bad attitudes. but unfortunately, some people decide, for example, that being a combine gives them the right to act condescending and elitist, and are well aware of violating the rules. people who knowingly violating the forum rules, even after a warning and a rather hard-to-miss sticky thread at the top of the forums, are where the problem is. not people who signed up a week ago.

[Milo]

Originally posted by Tyl3n0L
This thread should be in off topic or something.


No this thread should be closed. or something

[Dougy]

Originally posted by Unnamed_Player
Why do this? So some moron can make a hundred "Here's a picture of Alyx's dog!" spam posts to unrelated threads just so that he can post some flamebait?

You seem to equate being new to being stupid or an asshole. Being new equates to neither and were it to happen you would only force the assholes to spam off topic until they could post their own threads.

Dumbasses are always going to be dumbasses. Changing the rules won't get rid of them.

What would help would be if the mods enforced some of their own rules!

Shut the offending threads down before they take a toehold or dump them to another forum.

whens the most likely period that a flamer will flame ppl and be a general d***?

answer: when he first registers.

whats the basic rank on these forums

answer: Headcrab.


this thread was not started with hating head crabs in mind, if the flamers where "ant lions" then i would post the same thread just with ant lions replacing head crabs.



sure there are those that turn out to be genuinly nice guys (and girls) but that being said the lowest rank in any system often contains the worst and most offenders.

if group A had a larger amount of immature members than groups b,c,d,e etc. put together, Should groups b,c,d,e ...... have to put up with it?

or should certian restrictions like no starting threads be introduced?

or even the "private" area that one of the staff suggested earlier would be a good idea.

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and lastly, for those of you who are beating on about how headcrabs shouldnt be able to post at all and trying to imply that was my intention You Are Wrong.

i never said they shouldnt be able to post, i just said they shouldnt be able to make new threads, but be able to reply in any thread they want.

turning someones words around enough to make the original message into some other thing is not only petty but is a sign of exactly what these and any forums for that matter do NOT need.

[The Terminator]

Im gonna say Headcrabs should be allowed to make threads. For the simple fact that everyone has to start somewhere. They will learn what to post and what not to, or they will leave or get banned, lol. Either way, the forum is larger and better for it. Capitalism, its good.

[Sparky the Fox]

whens the most likely period that a flamer will flame ppl and be a general d***?

answer: when he first registers.

i've seen more zombies and higher making random insults (look at this thread itself) than headcrabs.

[Lucifer Crass]

Originally posted by Sparky the Fox
yes, i actually read the entire thread. i'm sorry if you couldn't understand my opinion as it relates to it. as i clearly said in my reply, any kind of censorship based on post count is needless discrimination. if you actually read the thread, you'd see that preventing headcrabs from starting threads wouldn't fix the problem.

it shouldn't be the admins' jobs to make sure people read the forum rules, which they agree to when they click the shiny "Agree" button. it also shouldn't be the admins' jobs to baby-sit the forum because members, of all statuses, resort to totally needless insults and general bad attitudes. but unfortunately, some people decide, for example, that being a combine gives them the right to act condescending and elitist, and are well aware of violating the rules. people who knowingly violating the forum rules, even after a warning and a rather hard-to-miss sticky thread at the top of the forums, are where the problem is. not people who signed up a week ago.

It is not needless discrimination to have post count hiarchy. Even the militay and governments have hiarchys. Thus being a community it also needs a hiarchy.

First off, yes stoping headcrabs from making threads would stop the problem. If u saw my examples u would have seen that, of course u aren't very observant. Second of all, mods already babysit these fourms becuase of the headcrabs and other useless posts. Insults describe the way people feel about each other and cannot be deemed useless. A combine wouldn't be condesending to a headcrab but if he is he has the right to do so because he is an active member of the community, and has more experiance usually than that of a headcrab.

U are a zombie, so u are a active member. If someone was to flood ur forum with useless threads wouldn't u want to change that? I would..............duh What a concept!!

:eek:

[Lucifer Crass]

Another example of thread spamming....I don't see why u people are fighting this it is all true like i stated in my post ^
http://halflife2.homelan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12674

[Sparky the Fox]

It is not needless discrimination to have post count hiarchy.
post hierarchy is entirely pointless when it comes to online forums. comparing government bodies, where each level of its structure has a purpose to labels on a forum that only reflect number of posts is not a very sound analogy. obviously, by the way numerous "high-ranking" forumers behave, and continue to behave because they have this strange notion that the "don't be rude" rule only applies to headcrabs, status titles here reflect absolutely nothing about the nature of the person's posts, or their attitude toward other people. its original purpose to be a fun little detail has now become some way of classifying people, not even by how long they've been here, but instead by how many times they've posted. wouldn't a person who's been here for six months and has 30 posts be more likely to make sure they're contributing relevant ideas to the thread rather than someone who's been here a month and has 500 posts? not to say that people with high post counts are inherently spamming. there are obviously examples of where this is not the case. the only difference that can reflect post quality is the person themselves, and unless they go through some huge maturation phase as they post more, their personality will not change with their "status".
If u saw my examples u would have seen that, of course u aren't very observant.
your "examples" were not compelling. i prefer to go on my own experience of reading most threads that come up. also, if you're going to continue to resort to random insults, then you prove my point further of status being independent of the poster's character.

Second of all, mods already babysit these fourms becuase of the headcrabs and other useless posts.
and it is precisely this kind of attitude, that it's all the headcrabs' fault, that gives zombies and up the idea that their negative and antisocial attitudes are superior to whatever maturity new forumers display. no matter how constructive a headcrab's post may be, this mentality dictates that he is not to be respected because he posts once every few days rather than ten+ times a day. this alone is a blatant act of immaturity, and i'm surprised so many people have refused to notice such an obvious hypocracy.

Insults describe the way people feel about each other and cannot be deemed useless.
insults are counterproductive. they don't detail specifics of what the issue is, nor do they usually accurately reflect the situation or the people involved. they prevent people from understanding eachother, and mar any productive activity, such as staying on topic in a thread. insults are generally used when people feel that they can no longer / shouldn't bother communicate with the person with whom they're discussing. how calling them stupid or lame gets closer to solving this problem is beyond me.

A combine wouldn't be condesending to a headcrab but if he is he has the right to do so because he is an active member of the community, and has more experiance usually than that of a headcrab.
this ties into the problem with insults. if the headcrab doesn't understand the rules, it isn't the job of the "more experianced" combine to act superior and degrade him, making the issue worse and making the offender even less likely to change their attitude; it's his job to make sure the headcrab understands the issue, and if they continue to act like an ass, then they obviously have no intention of being a productive member of the community.

If someone was to flood ur forum with useless threads wouldn't u want to change that? I would..............duh What a concept!!
i totally agree that threads we've seen four or five times are an issue, and that it degrades the quality of the forums. but how does implimenting a decidedly prejudice rule better the community? you may get rid of the threads that would come from the headcrabs, but you'll still have to deal with the repetetive threads that come from zombies and up, as well as the rude and superior attitudes of some "high-ranking" posters.

[genocide604]

Dill pickles and mustard cream tango's

[Lucifer Crass]

Originally posted by Sparky the Fox
post hierarchy is entirely pointless when it comes to online forums. comparing government bodies, where each level of its structure has a purpose to labels on a forum that only reflect number of posts is not a very sound analogy. obviously, by the way numerous "high-ranking" forumers behave, and continue to behave because they have this strange notion that the "don't be rude" rule only applies to headcrabs, status titles here reflect absolutely nothing about the nature of the person's posts, or their attitude toward other people. its original purpose to be a fun little detail has now become some way of classifying people, not even by how long they've been here, but instead by how many times they've posted. wouldn't a person who's been here for six months and has 30 posts be more likely to make sure they're contributing relevant ideas to the thread rather than someone who's been here a month and has 500 posts? not to say that people with high post counts are inherently spamming. there are obviously examples of where this is not the case. the only difference that can reflect post quality is the person themselves, and unless they go through some huge maturation phase as they post more, their personality will not change with their "status".

your "examples" were not compelling. i prefer to go on my own experience of reading most threads that come up. also, if you're going to continue to resort to random insults, then you prove my point further of status being independent of the poster's character.


and it is precisely this kind of attitude, that it's all the headcrabs' fault, that gives zombies and up the idea that their negative and antisocial attitudes are superior to whatever maturity new forumers display. no matter how constructive a headcrab's post may be, this mentality dictates that he is not to be respected because he posts once every few days rather than ten+ times a day. this alone is a blatant act of immaturity, and i'm surprised so many people have refused to notice such an obvious hypocracy.


insults are counterproductive. they don't detail specifics of what the issue is, nor do they usually accurately reflect the situation or the people involved. they prevent people from understanding eachother, and mar any productive activity, such as staying on topic in a thread. insults are generally used when people feel that they can no longer / shouldn't bother communicate with the person with whom they're discussing. how calling them stupid or lame gets closer to solving this problem is beyond me.


this ties into the problem with insults. if the headcrab doesn't understand the rules, it isn't the job of the "more experianced" combine to act superior and degrade him, making the issue worse and making the offender even less likely to change their attitude; it's his job to make sure the headcrab understands the issue, and if they continue to act like an ass, then they obviously have no intention of being a productive member of the community.


i totally agree that threads we've seen four or five times are an issue, and that it degrades the quality of the forums. but how does implimenting a decidedly prejudice rule better the community? you may get rid of the threads that would come from the headcrabs, but you'll still have to deal with the repetetive threads that come from zombies and up, as well as the rude and superior attitudes of some "high-ranking" posters.

Quoting everything i say out of context makes ur arugment that much weaker. Next time either post a link or the entire quote not choice places that editing can help out at.

Anyway

If u the kind of person that doesn't like post count Hiarchy, then u probably think that a school hiarchy is also needless. People are all created equally, yet we have freshman, sophmores, juniors and Seniors.
Your thinks how tottaly useless right? Well no....if u are a upperclassmen
u get more respect etc.

Thats why my 1 weeks probation is great, It allows people that want to join into the community a chance to get with people and observe them. They CAN respond have discussions and etc BUT CANNOT make new threads until the probation is accepted. It will root out all those stupid thread spamming thread baiters from comming in. What the point of flame baiting if u have to wait one week, are u starting to get the picture?

Your also only disagreeing with me because u probably dont like me, inside though u probably agree with most of my suggestions. And no u didnt find my examples convining because u never took the time to read them. Those threads i liked to are rither Full of FLAMES or ABOUT BETA OR DELAY!! All started by the ignorant. Most new headcrabs are looking at this forum and saying wow cool these people are smart i want some info on the DELAY!! They dont even bother reading the damned Sticky's

I do agree though that status means almost nothing after zombie. But at least they have been posting and learned what is right or wrong. Anyway about ur six month example. It wouldn'd be a problem with my idea. You probably are just scimming this right now to nitpick at. So go ahead but u know i am right.

Average Headcrab
Closes counter-strike
Searches google
Finds this site and is like HOLY $#$% Half-Life 2!!!
Sighn up on forums and without paying attention put at thier first thread. IS HALF-LIFE 2 DELAYED?

This is the problem we are faceing. I cannot put it any simpler that than for u. My idea of the 1week probation period would stop this, it would slow down thier pace.
They would be like WTF i cant make a thread!!! Ill go look around..
Whats this........STICKY? Ill read that. It would explain everything to them. They would think something like or well that sucks but this forum isnt ignorant so i think ill stay and just respond in other peoples threads.
They being to learn new things about this community aafter the 1 week then they can post their own threads. Which will be more inventive and less boring to read because they would realise o well no one knows when its comming out so they would make something other than those horrible threads usually made by them. NOW TELL ME THAT DOESNT SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!!:flame: :flame: :flame:

[nw909]

lol, anyone lower than combine can't post at all, anywhere.

[AmishSlayer]

That'd make sense if the zombie post count was around 25-50 rather than 100, but then these boards would be much less popular probably

[Milo]

gah!

[Straylight]

These boards went downhill the day a bunch of major gaming sights linked the replies from gabe thread.

[Unnamed_Player]

So basically you're advocating that the traffic on the board fall to neear zero and the boards die away.

My point stands. Some people go out of their way to piss off others and will go to great lengths to do it.

The only way to curb it is with good mods! That's what the moderators are supposed to be there for. To keep the stupidity down to a general level and enforce the rules.

[inevident]

forums aren't perfect, and mods don't want to constantly watch over it. I don't see anything wrong with all the Headcrabs' threads. They are entertaining to read, more than most :)

[RakuraiTenjin]

I disagree. I haven't made any spam or idiotic threads (although I admit, I made some dumb replies in good humor with posters in other threads, but they were sarcasm, not outright idiotism)
The reason you are seeing more "headcrabs" as bad posters is not because of the people, but because of the label itself. A good deal of it is regular posters who have been kicked off the forum, and remade an account, etc. Genuine posters shouldn't be restricted. I mean, look at my register date, for a headcrab. I still wouldn't be able to make a thread, even though mine had productive topics that had SOME discussion before they got derailed by others.

[sayam]

I think that we should not let the higher people reply to threads beacuse all they do is complain about headcrabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: and just because people are headcrabs and dont post alot dosent mean they dont read alot

[phoenix]

Originally posted by coolio2man
If u the kind of person that doesn't like post count Hiarchy, then u probably think that a school hiarchy is also needless. People are all created equally, yet we have freshman, sophmores, juniors and Seniors.
Your thinks how tottaly useless right? Well no....if u are a upperclassmen
u get more respect etc.

The hierarchy of this forum is not like the hierarchy of an educational establishment, nor does it in any way denote ones intelligence. If you were in school your class status would indicate both the amount of time you have spent in the educational system, and it would imply that you have a certain amount of knowledge (supposedly).

On this forum that would make your registration date, and if possible the amount of time you spend on the boards (browsing and posting) a more applicable tool for measuring one's status than whether they were a headcrab or a prowler. All the system means now is that you spout off your mouth a lot, or you don't. The quality of this spouting is in question.

[Milo]

Originally posted by phoenix
The hierarchy of this forum is not like the hierarchy of an educational establishment, nor does it in any way denote ones intelligence. If you were in school your class status would indicate both the amount of time you have spent in the educational system, and it would imply that you have a certain amount of knowledge (supposedly).

On this forum that would make your registration date, and if possible the amount of time you spend on the boards (browsing and posting) a more applicable tool for measuring one's status than whether they were a headcrab or a prowler. All the system means now is that you spout off your mouth a lot, or you don't. The quality of this spouting is in question.


Nicely put.

[Sparky the Fox]

Quoting everything i say out of context makes ur arugment that much weaker. Next time either post a link or the entire quote not choice places that editing can help out at.
dude, i didn't edit your post. i went through it by pieces, not responding to some sentences that didn't need responding to. how can i take something out of context by quoting the whole thing? the meaning you conveyed in the entire post is what i responded to, not some little piece that i warped the meaning of. if people doubted that, they could look on the very same page and see your post. are you saying that i shouldn't reply to your posts at all because i might not get what your original meaning is at all? isn't that kind of your fault, too?

If u the kind of person that doesn't like post count Hiarchy, then u probably think that a school hiarchy is also needless. People are all created equally, yet we have freshman, sophmores, juniors and Seniors.
Your thinks how tottaly useless right? Well no....if u are a upperclassmen
u get more respect etc.
o_o school hierarchy is yet another irrelevant example. in school, you learn things specific to your grade, you probably hang out with people in your classes and in your grade, etc. it's entirely different. i don't know where you think i implied that any and all hierarchy is bad, and you putting words in my mouth negates any standing your complaint of me taking your post out of context may have. let's compare this to how the forums are. you register, and make posts, and you get a status determining how many posts you make. you don't get educated with people of your status, you don't hang out only with people of your status, and there is no separation between people with different titles. that's all it is. a title. people that think they should get more respect because they post more, regardless of the content of their posts, are seriously kidding themselves. you get respected by how you act, and that, as i've said so many times before, is not dependent on how long you've been here.

Thats why my 1 weeks probation is great, It allows people that want to join into the community a chance to get with people and observe them. They CAN respond have discussions and etc BUT CANNOT make new threads until the probation is accepted.
your 1 week's probation is not great. it is prejudice. if people think they don't need to learn how things run around here before delving into things, then one of our forum members can politely inform them of the rules should they break them. week-long censorship is a very unwelcoming message to send to new members. this also doesn't stop people from posting assinine replies to threads. have you noticed how many "stfu lame thread" replies there have been by people that are not headcrabs? i think warns and bans are more effective deterrents, which is why i also think we need more moderators.

It will root out all those stupid thread spamming thread baiters from comming in. What the point of flame baiting if u have to wait one week, are u starting to get the picture?
it may stop a few, much in the same way banning everyone from posting would. notice how many quality threads we wouldn't have if such an implimentation was put forth. also, the spamming is not so much a problem anymore, as is the horrible attitude of some community members, who, coincidentally, happen to not be headcrabs. they don't start threads, but their negative impact is still quite apparent, isn't it? like i've said, post quality is not determined by registration date.

Your also only disagreeing with me because u probably dont like me, inside though u probably agree with most of my suggestions.
the only reason i initially responded to your post was because i disagreed. where from this do you get that i don't like you? i don't even know you, just like you don't know me. and if i agreed with your suggestions, then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all, now would we? please don't try to make me seem like some random antagonist when all i did was opened a discussion with you. if you decide to take it personally, then that's your own fault.

And no u didnt find my examples convining because u never took the time to read them. Those threads i liked to are rither Full of FLAMES or ABOUT BETA OR DELAY!! All started by the ignorant. Most new headcrabs are looking at this forum and saying wow cool these people are smart i want some info on the DELAY!! They dont even bother reading the damned Sticky's
i didn't find them convincing because i didn't find them convincing. boy, you sure pulled a massive 180 there. "don't take my posts out of context" while you then decide to draw a plethora of conclusions that have no basis in the conversation. the impression i get from the threads you mention is that they were started by the enthusiastic or careless. yes, they are tiresome to people who've seen similar threads dozens of times. however, i don't agree with how you draw conclusions from some of their statuses as headcrabs as a determining factor for all headcrabs. if these people make threads asking for info on the delay, then we can be considerate, and do something constructive and tell them information, direct them to previous threads, and also remind them that there's a search feature should they want more information. what isn't constructive is insulting their intelligence, driving them off, or turning the thread into an insult-fest where no information is gained, and their opinion of our community is turned into a wholly negative one.
also, if you're so concerned about the stickies, maybe you should read them and note that insults are highly discouraged, should you decide to insult me more in your next reply.

I do agree though that status means almost nothing after zombie. But at least they have been posting and learned what is right or wrong. Anyway about ur six month example. It wouldn'd be a problem with my idea. You probably are just scimming this right now to nitpick at. So go ahead but u know i am right.
yes, precisely. i'm skimming it by quoting it and responding to it in depth. status means nothing at all. so far, all it's been used for is our good friend prejudice. people can make a thousand posts and still not know the rules of the forum, or how to make friendly, informative posts. it's not dependent on the number of posts they've made. the only time it makes a difference is if they were initially grossly misinformed, and were then actually willing to learn the rules and follow them. otherwise, headcrabs are no different than combine. there are some nice ones, some caustic ones, and some ones that don't read threads before replying in them. i mentioned the fact that maturity would most likely not change in a week because it's true. it would be a problem with your idea, because the person has not changed during the week that they've been censored, and if they didn't know the rules, then all it takes is a polite reminder for them to learn them. not a week of discouragement. and please, if you want me to take your arguments seriously any longer, you shouldn't use the logic "i'm right because you know i'm right".

Average Headcrab
Closes counter-strike
Searches google
Finds this site and is like HOLY $#$% Half-Life 2!!!
Sighn up on forums and without paying attention put at thier first thread. IS HALF-LIFE 2 DELAYED?
stereotypes. nice. how is this conducive to bettering the community again? you construct a scenario in your mind that has, if any, no apparent basis in reality or experience, and then apply this logic to every headcrab, regardless of if they even know what counter-strike is. if someone does make such a post, then it's far better to tell them the facts of the situation, and direct them to the search feature. as i've said before, telling them "already talked about u idiot" and completely turning them off from the community, is not productive, nor is inhibitting any posts by headcrabs. that sends the message "we don't care what your thread may be, because we're assuming it to be worthless." the people that would do what you've laid out probably shouldn't be posting on the forums at all. that doesn't mean that any person that wants to sign up should get treated like an idiot just because of one person who might be one.

This is the problem we are faceing. I cannot put it any simpler that than for u. My idea of the 1week probation period would stop this, it would slow down thier pace.
you needn't put it any simpler, because i've meticulously been replying to almost your entire replies, detailing why i don't agree, and giving my reasons. please don't insult my intelligence based on the notion that if i don't agree with you, i must not know what the hell i'm talking about. all i've seen you do, however, is ignore most of my replies, and then either insult me, or repeat the arguments that i gave reasons for their invalidities. i'd be willing to consider your propositions if you could explain to me why it isn't prejudice, why it isn't stereotyping, and why it betters the community, considering my side of the argument. most of the rest of your reply i've already responded to several times above. please see those posts.

[Shark747]

Originally posted by phoenix
it's been my observation that some of the most annoying people on any forum have high thread counts.

here's some little thoughts...

Listen a hundred times; ponder a thousand times; speak once.

Don't speak unless you can improve on the silence

Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving evidence of the fact.


Wow, well put, that last post you made was nice too.

I don't really get the whole point of this "should headcrabs be allowed to post threads?" business. Some people make stupid threads; you can't stop it. Saying headcrabs can't make threads just delays the inevitable. Once they break headcrab status they can release all that was bottled up.

And making such a rule is not really fair. Sure, many of the "headcrab" threads may be pointless. But what about the headcrab that makes an insightful thread that actually contributes to a discussion? Are you going to deny him the ability to make a thread that he feels is important?

Dougy, what would you do if back in your headcrab days, (not even a month ago), you wanted to make a thread that you feel is important. However someone says "Sorry dude, you're a headcrab. So, just go sit back down and keep quiet." You'd probably be a bit ticked, but I guess since you're an Ant Lion now you don't have to worry about that.

I see your point about all the "useless" threads but if it weren't for all the remarks like "This is stupid","Shut up n00b", or "This is why headcrabs shouldn't be allowed to make threads"; then the thread would die a quick death on the second page.

And set me straight here if I'm wrong but you basically started this thread because you were annoyed about all the other threads that are in your view pointless. I don't know what your parents taught you but mine told me that if something is annoying me and I can't do anything about it, then ignore it. And I have since July, which I think makes this my first post.

My advice; instead of making a little comment for every post you deem pointless. Just hit the back button. If enough people start doing it then the front page will be full of threads and posts that contribute to those threads. And the "pointless", tired redundant threads will fall down the page. I know people will still spam threads, and if they are breaking the rules then hopefully the mods will take care of them.

[Javert]

" A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step."
Give the headcrabs a chance, there are diamonds in the rough.

[Lucifer Crass]

Originally posted by Sparky the Fox
dude, i didn't edit your post. i went through it by pieces, not responding to some sentences that didn't need responding to. how can i take something out of context by quoting the whole thing? the meaning you conveyed in the entire post is what i responded to, not some little piece that i warped the meaning of. if people doubted that, they could look on the very same page and see your post. are you saying that i shouldn't reply to your posts at all because i might not get what your original meaning is at all? isn't that kind of your fault, too?


o_o school hierarchy is yet another irrelevant example. in school, you learn things specific to your grade, you probably hang out with people in your classes and in your grade, etc. it's entirely different. i don't know where you think i implied that any and all hierarchy is bad, and you putting words in my mouth negates any standing your complaint of me taking your post out of context may have. let's compare this to how the forums are. you register, and make posts, and you get a status determining how many posts you make. you don't get educated with people of your status, you don't hang out only with people of your status, and there is no separation between people with different titles. that's all it is. a title. people that think they should get more respect because they post more, regardless of the content of their posts, are seriously kidding themselves. you get respected by how you act, and that, as i've said so many times before, is not dependent on how long you've been here.


your 1 week's probation is not great. it is prejudice. if people think they don't need to learn how things run around here before delving into things, then one of our forum members can politely inform them of the rules should they break them. week-long censorship is a very unwelcoming message to send to new members. this also doesn't stop people from posting assinine replies to threads. have you noticed how many "stfu lame thread" replies there have been by people that are not headcrabs? i think warns and bans are more effective deterrents, which is why i also think we need more moderators.


it may stop a few, much in the same way banning everyone from posting would. notice how many quality threads we wouldn't have if such an implimentation was put forth. also, the spamming is not so much a problem anymore, as is the horrible attitude of some community members, who, coincidentally, happen to not be headcrabs. they don't start threads, but their negative impact is still quite apparent, isn't it? like i've said, post quality is not determined by registration date.


the only reason i initially responded to your post was because i disagreed. where from this do you get that i don't like you? i don't even know you, just like you don't know me. and if i agreed with your suggestions, then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all, now would we? please don't try to make me seem like some random antagonist when all i did was opened a discussion with you. if you decide to take it personally, then that's your own fault.


i didn't find them convincing because i didn't find them convincing. boy, you sure pulled a massive 180 there. "don't take my posts out of context" while you then decide to draw a plethora of conclusions that have no basis in the conversation. the impression i get from the threads you mention is that they were started by the enthusiastic or careless. yes, they are tiresome to people who've seen similar threads dozens of times. however, i don't agree with how you draw conclusions from some of their statuses as headcrabs as a determining factor for all headcrabs. if these people make threads asking for info on the delay, then we can be considerate, and do something constructive and tell them information, direct them to previous threads, and also remind them that there's a search feature should they want more information. what isn't constructive is insulting their intelligence, driving them off, or turning the thread into an insult-fest where no information is gained, and their opinion of our community is turned into a wholly negative one.
also, if you're so concerned about the stickies, maybe you should read them and note that insults are highly discouraged, should you decide to insult me more in your next reply.


yes, precisely. i'm skimming it by quoting it and responding to it in depth. status means nothing at all. so far, all it's been used for is our good friend prejudice. people can make a thousand posts and still not know the rules of the forum, or how to make friendly, informative posts. it's not dependent on the number of posts they've made. the only time it makes a difference is if they were initially grossly misinformed, and were then actually willing to learn the rules and follow them. otherwise, headcrabs are no different than combine. there are some nice ones, some caustic ones, and some ones that don't read threads before replying in them. i mentioned the fact that maturity would most likely not change in a week because it's true. it would be a problem with your idea, because the person has not changed during the week that they've been censored, and if they didn't know the rules, then all it takes is a polite reminder for them to learn them. not a week of discouragement. and please, if you want me to take your arguments seriously any longer, you shouldn't use the logic "i'm right because you know i'm right".


stereotypes. nice. how is this conducive to bettering the community again? you construct a scenario in your mind that has, if any, no apparent basis in reality or experience, and then apply this logic to every headcrab, regardless of if they even know what counter-strike is. if someone does make such a post, then it's far better to tell them the facts of the situation, and direct them to the search feature. as i've said before, telling them "already talked about u idiot" and completely turning them off from the community, is not productive, nor is inhibitting any posts by headcrabs. that sends the message "we don't care what your thread may be, because we're assuming it to be worthless." the people that would do what you've laid out probably shouldn't be posting on the forums at all. that doesn't mean that any person that wants to sign up should get treated like an idiot just because of one person who might be one.


you needn't put it any simpler, because i've meticulously been replying to almost your entire replies, detailing why i don't agree, and giving my reasons. please don't insult my intelligence based on the notion that if i don't agree with you, i must not know what the hell i'm talking about. all i've seen you do, however, is ignore most of my replies, and then either insult me, or repeat the arguments that i gave reasons for their invalidities. i'd be willing to consider your propositions if you could explain to me why it isn't prejudice, why it isn't stereotyping, and why it betters the community, considering my side of the argument. most of the rest of your reply i've already responded to several times above. please see those posts.

Your completely denounced by the simple fact that, My idea would work while u suggest what? We leave the forums the way they are? This wil really solve the problem at hand. Why don't u come up with a way to solve the problem before u become to critical of others............I will let u ponder on this until tommorow. until then i bid u farewell (Finnaly a intelligent discussion with intelligent people.

[Cosmos]

Originally posted by Dougy
Should Head crabs be allowed to make threads?




after seeing yet another "valve owe you nothing!, you owe them your LIFE" threads and being labeled a "moron" for not liking valve, ive come to agree with the guy who said Junior patrons sutch as headcrabs should not be allowed to post topics.

not only will this stop the "you owe valve" threads but also the

"i have hl2 and my uncle is gabe"
"will half life run on my nintendo?"
"i hate the HAXOR"
"i hope the beta DL's die of ball cancer"
"a question for gabe"
"valve sucks"
"valve rules"
"spam in here"
.......

threads.

Now i know Discriminating against junior members can be bad cos not all are idiots but the majority are, One forum i regularly visit is TotalWar.org and when you first register you can only post in the basic 1st forum only, and after the moderators see that you arent a knob they give you access to other parts of the forums.


right now any tom dick or harry can sign up in 2 minutes and talk a lot of crap, but by making it so headcrabs cannot post threads i reckon the forum will dramatically improve in all asspects, the flamers and "noobs" will be put off by the "trial" membership and go elsewhere.



of course thats just my opinion.

Any comments?

*please note i used the "valve owe etc." as an example of the threads that i hate and shouldnt be considered as the sole reason i posted*

edit: the grammar bug strikes again.

Are you not the toadpole? You sure have forgotten the fact that you were once a Headcrab. Get a life, man.

[Shark747]

Sorry to jump off to the side here but...shouldn't this thread be in the off-topic forum? Seeing how this thread is in the Half-Life 2 forum but isn't really talking about the game. Just how headcrabs apparently make useless threads about half-life 2 in the half-life 2 forum. Sounds off-topic to me.

Of course this thread wouldn't get nearly the amount of exposure in the off-topic forum. Can't have that since we are all on a crusade to abolish the pointless threads.

Edit: Keep in mind Gabe Newell was a headcrab before he was given special status.

[DirtySanchez]

Three Headcrabs walk into a bar, one turns to the other... oh shit, wrong forum!

[NuclearOctopus5]

As interesting as this debate is (and I'm being serious; it's got a neat democracy vs. fascism vibe to it), I think it's kind of a moot point. The idea that HC's (I’m a sucker for acronyms [and for parenthesis]) should be "screened" seems to be a response to a rather unique and impermanent situation. HL2 is the hot topic of the moment, and so any watering hole dedicated to it is bound to gather a mass of interested parties for a time. But in a few days (maybe weeks, but soon enough) the whole beta/delay/leak/theft/hack/masquerade ball will become old hat, and the young-uns will move along (I myself might be among those vagrants…). Anyways, the point it, I would give to much thought to the influx of goofy HC posts, my own included; they will fade back into the mists soon enough.

[Sparky the Fox]

Your completely denounced by the simple fact that, My idea would work while u suggest what? We leave the forums the way they are? This wil really solve the problem at hand. Why don't u come up with a way to solve the problem before u become to critical of others............I will let u ponder on this until tommorow. until then i bid u farewell (Finnaly a intelligent discussion with intelligent people.
yes, leave the forums themselves the way they are. what needs to change is the attitude some of community members have, though there's been a big increase of less insult-eager people coming here lately, so :thumbs: to that. threads used to be mostly insults, and few contributions, but now it's the other way around, though there seem to always be three or four people who just *have* to make sure a newbie 'knows their place'. those are the people that need to change, and oddly enough, most of them are not headcrabs. i'd suggest cracking down on making sure discussions stay above the insulting stage.

and unless you can convince me that my arguments are incorrect, i won't consider your idea a solution to the problem, and you can only do that by responding to my reasons. i've posted numerous examples of responses that would be better than what are sometimes seen, e.g. you see the umpteenth "is hl2 delayed?" thread; you realise that insulting the poster and therefore bumping the thread sets you both back and perpetuates the duplicate thread issue; you instead either ignore the thread, or, even better, answer the person's question, and let them know of the search function so they can get more information from previous discussions; unless they're malicious, they probably start using it and the problem is solved, and you have another contributing member on the forums :)

[CheapAssStrat]

Look, I'm not going to say why this is a dumb idea, since at least fifty others have already covered it. But what I will say is that the only reasonable and easy solution to eliminate ignorance on this board would be to simply recruit more mods and have them suspend/ban accounts without warning (or IPs if necessary).

[phantomdesign]

By creating this thread, someone is just asking for a BAN!!!



…lets quote
I'll keep this brief, basically there has been a influx of offensive, insulting users who spend their time posting crap and insulting others.

Every now and then we'll see a thread that's been made before and the first three replies will be along the lines of "stfu noob", "use the search button dumbass" or "yawn, old news - go away".

We're fed up with it and I'm fed up with decent community members contacting me about it. People here just want to be part of a close, friendly community and we don't want others spoiling that.

So from now on anyone who posts anything insulting / offensive when there's no need, especially at the start of new threads will be banned without warning.

A little nazi? You brought it upon yourselves.

[phantomdesign]

Btw, phantomdesign - stop with the insults.
...just noticed.

:) OK :)

[Quixoticism]

Milo, Farrowlesparrow was just kidding about not have people who registered after June not being able to create threads to show how ridiculous it is to stop Headcrabs from creating them also.(But it would be to bad of an idea if it would stop threads like this.)

I have been here longer than most people and am still a Headcrab. I mostly read threads and replies and post something when I feel that I can contribute something worthwhile. I never post insults of useless stuff, and alot of the others do not either.

This was so good I just had to quote it.
Originally posted by Javert
" A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step."
Give the headcrabs a chance, there are diamonds in the rough.

[NFi]

Hey guys let me tell you why i dont agree on this from previous experience in another forum.

As mentioned before people will spam up to the required level to create posts and once there they will then start creating stupid posts because they have just recieved a brand new toy to play with on the forums that they didn't have before.

Also alot of these people post this stuff because really they dont know any better once there past this short period majority of them (if they hang around) prove to become valuable members to a forum.

This problem is no different no matter which forums you post in. How many times have u been in other forums and had the good old intel vs amd thread show up or whats your favorite game even where did u get your nick from? All it takes is a moment of your time not long to say "Hey this has been done before try the search button but just for you this time the answer is this..." man its not hard to give part of your time to help someone out who might not know as much about something as yourself in certain topic.

[Parasite]

Well, considering an Ant Lion started a thread of this astounding calibur...

[ASnogarD]

I read a large portion of this thread , but it got monotonous with the arguments swing between "I agree" and "I disagree".

Obviously as my current status is also headcrab my opinion on the thread will not be considered legitimate, however I do hope you consider this:

- Quantity does not equate to quality
- Forums are meant for discussion, free forums are meant for free discussion
- Moderation is the key to successfull forums - create more mods and have a clearly define Code of Conduct and enforce it strictly.

I would like to point you to forums.relicnews.com as a example of a reasonably controlled forum, generally the posts are of above standard.

Additionally as was stated numerous time in this thread: discriminating by post count is begging for a heap of bad quality posts merely designed to increase post count.

[genocide604]

HEY HEADCRABS

USE THIS CUP HOLDER! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/cupholder.php

[Gorgon]

man one day you were a headcrap. Me too, all the mods were Headcrap. so give them the chance to discuss only the relevent info.

[arial]

That would be pointless, yeah some people are stupid and come here just to **** around but others come to post and find HL2 stuff out. Don't stereotype people who are new here based on the fact a few morons choose to be just that... morons here.

[phantomdesign]

Originally posted by genocide604
HEY HEADCRABS

USE THIS CUP HOLDER! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/cupholder.php

Nice try.

[shiv]

you are not your post count

[Dilbert]

Only allow people over the age of 30 to make posts ...... that would keep the silly 18 year olds with daft ideas in check.

If an 18 year old asks yah to start a thread for him .... just say NO !

:)

[mosquave]

I'm a headcrab and I've been here longer than most people in this thread, just because I have a social life and don't spend all my spare time on here(like it's going to make the game come out quicker, do you guys like watching paint dry?)I shouldn't be punished for it.

I just noticed the thread starter only registered in September and he thinks he owns the place, bad suggestion anyway.

[pHATE1982]

Doesn't the occasional headcrab join this forum to give us some important information, and then remain?

Take the guy who made the alcatraz video, a headcrab... who had just joined. If you look on fileshack his video that he told us about is one of the most downloaded files.

By banning headcrabs would you want to miss out on such things?

I thought not...

[Dilbert]

Ive not read what everyone else has written ... but ive just realised that this thread was started by someone who has been here 1 month .. tbh I am ashamed to have posted in here twice now cos its just too silly for words.

[pHATE1982]

There are three kinds of people in this forum arn't there...

1)Those who think that people with alot of posts are spammers, and get all elitest about when they joined.
2)Those who think that those with a few posts are n00bs and shouldn't be allowed.
3)Those who think that the stupidness is spread throughtout, but are willing to give everyone a chance.

Why can't people take a word out of the book of poor old person 3), who seems to be in the minority.

[kanzler]

A selection of the intelligent posts made by Dougy:

Dirty harry.

quit moaning and get a life.

"mommy a guy doesnt say what i want him to say!!!!"

f*** me
wow.

i realy need this beta.

like realy need it.

should be funny as f*** watching my fx5200 catch fire and die
i buy strategies with little MP possibilities on pirated CD's.

but i buy MP games legitimately.
pwnage 11!!111%&$)_"£ !! -**** sef dsdgs!""£rt3t*TY&£*%&)£Q

7 hrs !!"$£(%$*)£*)_£*)£*)

spamm spamedy spam spam
ha ha ha.

seriosuly jesus loves you, but your still a ****.
If you can post such an amount of intelligent replies as Dougy you also deserve to be more than a headcrab.

[24Gamer]

We all have to start from somewhere :-/

[fez]

Originally posted by Pressure
NO ONE UNDER HYDRA CAN POST MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

not just headcrabs are morons

[Wraithen]

what sort of headcrab would put this in half life 2 discussions? Sorry, I usually try to only post relevant things, hence the status. The only reasonable suggestion that seems to have been put forward is the one week "cooling off" period, but that would only stop people who create logins just to flame, and there don't seem to be many of those.
Besides, what's so bad about being a head crab? It's the pubic variety that you should worry about :cheese:

[commando]

just because someone is a headcrab on this forum doesn't mean they know nothing!

All the head crabs on here have a social life.

all of us combines spend too much time on the net! LOL.

also they are headcrabs on this forum, because they just joined this forum!

they could of been checking this site for so long but didn't want to join, because of all the rumours!

also they could be very high on other forums.

so in conclusion................this thread is dumb and should be closed ;)

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by Ahnteis
No way. In fact, headcrabs shouldn't be allowed to post at all. Then the moderators can simply ban anyone who posts something stupid (this thread for instance) and soon we'll have a flame/spam-free board. True, there will be almost 0 posters but it's a small price to pay for quality posts.

wow....

[Saltpeter]

Originally posted by pHATE1982
Why can't people take a word out of the book of poor old person 3), who seems to be in the minority.
Soon enough we'll be extinct! Help us!

[WARLORD]

hi! i'm from the HPC (Headcrab protection community) and i'me here to protest about the bad treatment you give to your headcrabs!
they are living being you know! they are nice and they must be treated as equal, and they are cute too! look at this small cute jumping fella! aaaaaaww come see daddy!
"SQUIIIIIIIIICHHH!!"
mmmfff!!!! mffffffffmmmfffffffffff!!!!
*drop on the floor and begin to transform*

[oMarKs]

stupid idea saying you have to post 100 replys before you can post a topic, it will only increase spam

[VaPorZ]

most retarded idea of the year

[phantomdesign]

Originally posted by WARLORD
hi! i'm from the HPC (Headcrab protection community) and i'me here to protest about the bad treatment you give to your headcrabs!


Dougy is about to be to be zombied by a headcrab.

UNLEASH THE HEADCRABS!!!

[Myke_Malicious]

Hi. I actually just joined the forum today to respond to this thread. I find it is rather close minded to base somebody's maturity level based on their forum ranking. That simply has nothing to do with it.

I admit I only found out about this board due to the source code theft, and I have seen a few examples of what you older members are refering to. At the same time several older members have reduced topics to a flame match. So which is worse? In fact, read this very topic to see several pointless posts by older members.

I can understand the point of "Well, he is new, let him get used to how the forum functions" to a point, but that really won't mean much anyways. If somebody wants to become a higher rank, then they will find a way to do it. And some of us "headcrabs" are experiance posters elsewhere. I've been posting on the metal rules board for over two years, so I can't imagine there being too much of a difference.

And as for asking the same question over and over again, why is that a bad thing? If a question can only be asked once, then fairly soon there will be no more things to discuss as Valve isn't going to give us much to talk about. In fact, I have several questions about HL2, but I just haven't asked.

Please forgive the ramble, it's been a long day at work. Nice to meet you by the way.

[PvtRyan]

What kind of bullshit is this? Of course they're allowed to start threads, since when is your intelligence determined by how many posts you've made? We all have been headcrabs, we have all gotten the right to make threads, and the new headcrabs should have this right too.

Really guys, posting 24/7 doesn't make your dick longer or your brains bigger. I've seen Combine's posting the biggest crap here, and headcrabs with the best argumented posts.
And when a headcrab behaves badly, do you think when he finally has zombie status he will be a changed person and will make decent threads?

[Snewo]

They should absolutely be allowed to start threads.

I attempted to start a thread yesterday and it seems to have been deleted. Was it worthy of a Nobel prize? nope. Was I complaining about the beta? nope. I was just commenting on how it seems that Valve was extra quiet all of the sudden. I made an observation and the "powers that be" determined that I shouldn't have made that post. If the Mods want to make this place clean of all BS then by all means start deleting posts and don't allow headcrabs to post. If, on the other hand, you want to give newcomers a chance to contribute then let everyone post.

And Mods...you might want to be careful who you give godlike powers to, someone in your crew is heavy-handed.


Snewo

[Gorgon]

I used to be a headcrap before four months, and I started many threads bak there. Headcraps are welcome.

[Gorgon]

Originally posted by SlipperyNipple
G0rgon, seriously, stop calling us Headcraps!! :P

LOL only misstyped the word sory.:cheese:

[Gordon'sFreeman]

These threads are good for a laugh.

[Parasite]

ATTENTION: THE ANT LION WHO STARTED THIS THREAD IS A RETARD!
WE CAN NOT TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY! HEADCRABS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. THE THREAD STARTER HAS MADE IT OBVIOUS THAT YOU CAN BE AN IDIOT NO MATTER WHAT IT SAYS UNDER YOUR NICKNAME. SAME AS I AM RIGHT NOW! WE SHOULD CHANGE THE USER LEVELS TO HEADCRAB, JACKASS, RETARD, IDIOT AND HOLY **** I JUST WASTED SEVERAL WEEKS OF MY LIFE ON THE INTERNET!

[Kincaid]

Zombie's are loud mofo's aren't they...

[Sparky the Fox]

well d33's not going to impliment such a 'feature' anyhow, so we can all stop worrying :)

[Axyon]

Actually, I don't know why I moved this, as it's going nowhere anyway. We have no plans to make it so that Headcrabs cannot make threads, it's just unfair to the people that may have something perfectly normal to say.

Closed.