EDGE Top 100

[Cormeh]

EDGE magazine have compiled a readers listing of the top 100 video games of all time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6261546.stm

And there's the top 10. Hell, there's only two games in it that I wouldn't have there myself. Good job on Half Life 2.

Anyways, just FYI. Let the handbags commence!

[Rapstah]

So they named HL2 the best PC game ever?

That works for me.

[Cormeh]

Technically, they did. Try to think of the overall video game library, as opposed to format.

[Samon]

I've never played Zelda, but there it is. Half-life 2 and Resident Evil 4 being in there is pretty sound, I wouldn't disagree.

[Cormeh]

I'm pleased that OoT has held it's ground for so long. It's also quite surprising to see people still back it.

To be honest, the only reason I put this up is because EDGE is a fairly reputable publication and has been for some time. Seeing Tetris and Metroid up there is a nice thing too.

The readers have certainly not lost their edge. *snicker*

[Shift]

Yes, can agree with Zelda, was a truely amazing game I must say, I would have put Half-Life 2 above it though, and I can definately agree with Mario 64, another classic.

Does anyone else highly disagree with Halo being in the top 10?

lol.

[Harryz]

I would have put Half-Life in front of Half-life 2. Quite a few N64 games in there too, can't really comment since I never owned one.

[Ol'Master]

FFXII at 8th place? RE4 at 2nd? Yeah, both good games, but of all the games of yore those two made the top 10? Hmm...

[IchI]

FFXII at 8th place? RE4 at 2nd? Yeah, both good games, but of all the games of yore those two made the top 10? Hmm...

RE4 is a pritty dam amazing game, I was suprised to see FFXII in it though. Its an alright game. But nothing special.

[Samon]

I would have put Half-Life in front of Half-life 2. Quite a few N64 games in there too, can't really comment since I never owned one.

I'd have put Half-life in at 20 or something. It's good, but it's far from Half-life 2 quality. Or, even, some of the other games in there. I'm also wondering where Deus ex is. Halo above Deus Ex? What a travesty.

[Warbie]

I actually would have replaced HL2 with HL as well. As much as I love RE4, it wouldn't have made my top 10 either. Oh, Mario 64 should be bumped up to no. 2 and the fact that SF2 isn't mentioned is a complete travesty. It's easily one of the largest milestones in video gaming history.

However, as lists goes, this is one of the best i've seen :)

[Remus]

I actually would have replaced HL2 with HL as well.

Me too. HL2 is a good game, but just that a good game, not the best.

[AHA-Lambda]

I'll probably get eternally flamed for this but I find zelda immensely overrated :|

[Cormeh]

No ones going to flame you. But numerous gaming organisations, publications and critics, along with millions of loyal fans can't be wrong!

[Gray Fox]

Decent although predictable list coming from EDGE, however I would have trown Halo and FF XII out.
And put MGS and Day of the Tentacle in their place.

[Laivasse]

There are some choices I find annoying, some omissions I find baffling (good call Warbie on SF2), but the fact that the list is not complete nonsense probably means it's a kind of a good one, as lists go.

[Samon]

Decent although predictable list coming from EDGE, however I would have trown Halo and FF XII out.
And put MGS and Day of the Tentacle in their place.

Which MGS?

[Gray Fox]

First
That said I do like the second to, and I even like Raiden.
In fact I like him more then I liked snake in the first MGS.

[Shift]

Id say MGS1 but the remade version for the Gamecube, basically MGS2 graphics and gameplay using the MGS1 storyline, was exellent.

[Samon]

First
That said I do like the second to, and I even like Raiden.
In fact I like him more then I liked snake in the first MGS.

I'm split on MGS1/2. 2 was bogged down by horrid Otacon sleeping with sisters mum storyline, but 1 had Meryl, which is a kind of travesty in itself; almost as bad as Snakes "hey, I've known her for little more than 2 hours and already I love her!" At least 1 of the 3 needs to be in top 10 though. I'd settle for any of them, because I thought 3 was just as excellent.

[Gray Fox]

I did not like the directing in the remake, it seemed way over the top and frankly childish. It tried to hard, and ended up looking amateurish.

To Samon:
In mgs 1 snake seemed a little bit slow. I still remember Master Miller(Liquid) saying Naomi had betrayed him and was in league with Gray Fox, and snake having a look on his face like someone said to him that his mother got out of her grave and was behind it all. Even though it was dead obvious, and there are more things. Raiden seemed to be more inquisitive and intelligent then snake in mgs 1, but Snake was really good in MGS2 imo.

edit: I also did enjoy the Otacom boning his mother bit and Meryl.

[Samon]

Didn't play. Saw the trailer with Snake leaping over a missile or something and I was put straight off.

[Shift]

I'm split on MGS1/2. 2 was bogged down by horrid Otacon sleeping with sisters mum storyline, but 1 had Meryl, which is a kind of travesty in itself; almost as bad as Snakes "hey, I've known her for little more than 2 hours and already I love her!" At least 1 of the 3 needs to be in top 10 though. I'd settle for any of them, because I thought 3 was just as excellent.


Agreed, MGS 3 was very enjoyable to play and the boss battle with 'The End' was one of the top I have played, literally must have lasted an hour. But EVA really started to piss me off towards the end, but young Ocelot made up for it.

[Samon]

Why? I liked the escort gameplay.

[Shift]

I thought they were lacking and pointless tbh, I just generally hated Eva, however it was just an natural attraction between the two, not like you said with Meryl, fell in love within hours O_o.

I was glad when Sniper Wolf shot her.

[Samon]

Meryl is one of my most hated characters of all time. Can't stand her. Shame she never dies when I play because I kick too much ass at the torture sequence.

[Shift]

Well on my first play through, I saw submit button and pressed it instantly, I cant be doing with bashing buttons, I suck too much at it.

[JNightshade]

Lawl, I didn't even know it was possible to kill her. That minigame was so easy D:

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

too many gay console games...

[Cormeh]

Aye, all of those console games are mincing around in tight leather trousers humming Erasure.

Oh please, stop me if I'm too much. :dozey:

[Icarusintel]

Fails for lack of Deus Ex, MGS, and Monkey Island.

[Hazar]

how does tetris even compare with hl2?!?

[nokori3byo]

I simply don't get the stubborn insistence that HL1 was in any way superior to its sequel. I mean, sure it was more groundbreaking, but the gameplay was patchy as hell. Only about half of it was created with anywhere near the care that went into HL2's gameplay.

[Samon]

Half-life 1 was extremely patchy. I guess you can't hold age against it but really, whole chapters blew utter chunks.

[Javert]

FFXII in front of III, VII, VIII, Chrono Trigger?

Lies.

[Uriel]

Only one PC game makes the top 10 - classic first-person shooter Half Life 2. Microsoft's Xbox also has only one representative in the elite list - with Halo: Combat Evolved at number seven.
Fail Fail Fail

Uhhh Thief? Starcraft? Warcraft? Deus Ex?

Heck, WoW should be up there because it's so popular. I don't even play WoW.

[Narcolepsy]

Seems like a pretty good list. I can't believe RE4 is number 2 and I haven't played it yet! (But I'm glad I waited so I could get the Wii version. :D )

I like the concept that it's not about nostalgia or "classic" potential, but if the games still hold up today. I was replaying Halo the other day, and the gameplay is still really fun - definitely the best console fps out there. And the opening sequence of Half-Life 2 still stands as one of the greatest achievements in gaming. Can't argue with the Nintendo domination either.

[Warbie]

I dunno, I think nostalgia plays a significant part is this list. I've revisited OoT various times over the years and, while each play has been fun, none compare to the utter WOW! that was loading OoT up for the first time. This huge, beautiful, sprawling adventure, all in 3d and with a completely new control method - there'd never been anything like it (much like the first Zelda on the nes). Since then scores of games have copied the formula and so much that amazed us before is now the norm. The last time I booted up OoT all it had going for it was nostalgia. You can still see the peerless attention to design and the layers of polish, and the magic is still there, but I can't help feel that much of this would be lost on someone who played OoT for the first time today.

OoT still deserves the no.1 spot for the impact it had at the time, for pretty much single handedly defining the 3d adventure game, and for the joy it was to play from start to finish (and then over and over again :)).

[theotherguy]

I dunno, I think nostalgia plays a significant part is this list. I've revisited OoT various times over the years and, while each play has been fun, none compare to the utter WOW! that was loading OoT up for the first time. This huge, beautiful, sprawling adventure, all in 3d and with a completely new control method - there'd never been anything like it (much like the first Zelda on the nes). Since then scores of games have copied the formula and so much that amazed us before is now the norm. The last time I booted up OoT all it had going for it was nostalgia. You can still see the peerless attention to design and the layers of polish, and the magic is still there, but I can't help feel that much of this would be lost on someone who played OoT for the first time today.

OoT still deserves the no.1 spot for the impact it had at the time, for pretty much single handedly defining the 3d adventure game, and for the joy it was to play from start to finish (and then over and over again :)).

Agreed. That's also why Mario 64 deserves its spot.

RE4 I'm not so sure about, it was good, but not #2.

Starcraft definatley needs a spot up there, Halo needs to be bumped down into the 20's, and HL1 should be higher than Halo 1.

I don't know why everyone likes Deus Ex, I thought it was a piece of shit. Terrible AI, poor gunfights, awful weapons. I suppose I was missing the whole point of the game, but I wasn't able to play it for more than a few hours before turning it off out of sheer suckiness.

[Samon]

I don't know why everyone likes Deus Ex, I thought it was a piece of shit. Terrible AI, poor gunfights, awful weapons.

These, aside from the AI, are moot IMO. Sure, the combat sucked, but there was so much more to it than simply the fighting. Combat just isn't that important. Weapons aren't really that important (I'll refrain from going on a rant regarding the utterly mundane FPS-more weapons-better-game philosophy some people seem to condone).

Not that I'm accusing you otherguy, just speaking in general.

[Nid Banikeri]

Halo was good, but not top 10 material by far.
Can think of so many more games to take its place.

heh, tetris defintly deserves its spot..the amount of long plane flights tetris has entertained me on =].

[Dalamari]

I ****ing hate these "greatest games" lists, it's all about ****ing nostalgia

Tell me with a straight face that you would rather play TETRIS over the 90 other games before it in the list

[ríomhaire]

Tetris? That must be a joke.

[theotherguy]

These, aside from the AI, are moot IMO. Sure, the combat sucked, but there was so much more to it than simply the fighting. Combat just isn't that important. Weapons aren't really that important (I'll refrain from going on a rant regarding the utterly mundane FPS-more weapons-better-game philosophy some people seem to condone).

Not that I'm accusing you otherguy, just speaking in general.

I know. I probably should go back and play it after all these years, but I picked it up, went through the first gunfight, thought it sucked, and never played it again.

[Narcolepsy]

I know. I probably should go back and play it after all these years, but I picked it up, went through the first gunfight, thought it sucked, and never played it again.
Wow. Get past the statue of liberty to the first UNATCO headquarters level. Then you'll see what the game is all about.

[Samon]

Good god man, get down there and pick it up again! You'd love it.

[kupocake]

Halo's inclusion so high on the list is a face saving maneuver. They can't whack it down where it truly belongs, since it's among the few games they've ever given a score of '10' to.

[Warbie]

Edge still go on about Halo. There's no face saving going on here - they like it, and so do I :p

[Crushenator 500]

Quite a few N64 games in there too, can't really comment since I never owned one.

I randomly brought out my n64 the other day and i still haven't put it back yet

I've been playing goldeneye etc with people (only single player, getting another controller soon though :D:D) and it's been amazing, just as fun as it was years ago

it may not have had that many good games on it but the ones it did have were absolute masterpieces

[Bad^Hat]

When are they going to stop making these polls and just create an annual "Alright, we get it, Ocarina of Time is still great" day or something? The day when fat angry nerds in Nintendo t-shirts are free to run amok and beat to death anyone who doesn't have an N64 and a Zelda cartridge collecting dust in their garage - with Mario plushies. Then maybe that way I can stop giving a damn.

I'M SORRY I DIDN'T PLAY THE BEST GAME EVER, OKAY? STOP REMINDING ME.

[Samon]

Zelda sucks.

[PvtRyan]

THE BEST GAME EVER bored me. There's many N64 that are better tbh, I'll take Mario 64, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark over it any day.

[theotherguy]

THE BEST GAME EVER bored me. There's many N64 that are better tbh, I'll take Mario 64, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark over it any day.

While those games are good, I didn't like them as much as OOT.

This is mainly because I have been a Zelda fan since I first picked up an NES. It was sheer joy to open the box for the first time. The game itself might not have been perfect, but for an adventure game it was excellent, and for a Zelda game it was the perfect transition into 3D.

[Gray Fox]

Even though there are games which I like more, and though I really dislike the N64 and Nintendo's attitude at that time.
I think zelda is an incredible game. With varied rich and thoughtful gameplay. Great controls that have been copied by many games and great looks at for it's time.
Hell the first time I played it I almost cried from joy, it was such an incredible experience. And I definitely do not mind it's top position.

[AHA-Lambda]

Wow, there are others that agree with me that zelda is over rated. :O

[ríomhaire]

It's a good game, but not the best ever IMO. Also, didn't anyone else dislike fighting Ganondorf? I found the first part of that boss annoying.

[CR0M]

Legend has it that video games actually existed more than 10 years ago. I've also heard that video games could've been around probably 20-25 years ago, and that they moved in herds.

Greatest games of all time, my arse. Gamers were clocking space invaders and galaxian when the pompous morons who write these stoopid lists were still playing with rattles.

Interesting Historical Fact: Galaxian was the first ever video game to use colour. Before that, colour was achieved by sticking strips of tinted acetate to b/w screens.

[Shift]

It's a good game, but not the best ever IMO. Also, didn't anyone else dislike fighting Ganondorf? I found the first part of that boss annoying.

Nothing like a spot of tennis :D

[Stigmata]

I really liked that bit. I sucked ass at timing my swing properly, as I was 10, but it was fun :D

[Darkside55]

If Gunstar Heroes isn't in this list, someone will pay. If Gunstar Heroes isn't at least in the top 20, someone will pay.

Someone's already going to pay that it's not in the top 10.

[AmishSlayer]

Get FFXII out of there, switch HL1 for HL2 and you have a pretty good list.

[Polaris]

Best games? I agree with Half-Life 2 and Tetris but other games are average (FF XII and RE4 may be good, but I never played them). But I'm disapointed by presence of stupid overrated Mario games on this list.

[ríomhaire]

Legend has it that video games actually existed more than 10 years ago. I've also heard that video games could've been around probably 20-25 years ago, and that they moved in herds.

Greatest games of all time, my arse. Gamers were clocking space invaders and galaxian when the pompous morons who write these stoopid lists were still playing with rattles.

Interesting Historical Fact: Galaxian was the first ever video game to use colour. Before that, colour was achieved by sticking strips of tinted acetate to b/w screens.
Just because a game was the best game of its time doesn't mean that it deserves to be called one of the best games of all time. Although some of those games are very good, alot of the time people only say that they're better than newer games because they remember them being so great and new and shiny and stuff, but if they actually played them again, they would find them lacking.

[Adrik_Senturu]

Just because a game was the best game of its time doesn't mean that it deserves to be called one of the best games of all time.

Which is why OoT shouldn't be number 1.

[Darkside55]

Indeed. The best games should stand the test of time. They should be the games you break out again and again and never feel tired of playing.




Like Gunstar Heroes.

[Warbie]

And Mario 64 :)

4 of my favourite games of all time appeared on the N64 - Mario 64 has aged better than all of them.

[Eejit]

They don't seem to be RTS fans do they? Or indeed strategy fans in general.

I'd have expected at least 1 game from the Civ series, Westwood or Blizzard to make the top 10.

[Warbie]

Or perhaps they like rts but didn't think one quite deserves a spot in the top 10?

'They' are Egde readers btw - critical verging on anal, but more into the console side of things.

[Samon]

Trying to read ****ing Edge is like sifting through a manure dunked bible. Such shitty layout.

[Warbie]

Not quite with you there. Edge has always been an example of how magasines should look and read to me. But hey, horses and courses an all that.

[CR0M]

Just because a game was the best game of its time doesn't mean that it deserves to be called one of the best games of all time. Although some of those games are very good, alot of the time people only say that they're better than newer games because they remember them being so great and new and shiny and stuff, but if they actually played them again, they would find them lacking.

I'm not saying Space Invaders should've been no.1, in fact I hated the game. I'm saying calling something the top 100 games of all time is a ridiculous claim to make, as the result is based on popular opinion at a particular point in time, an opinion which is constantly shifting and advancing. Top 100 of the decade, maybe. But ever? nope.

[Acepilotf14]

It was a poll, of course HALO is on it!