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GiaOmerta
26-01-2007, 04:08 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/26/iraq.main/index.html

U.S. troops allowed to kill Iranians plotting attacks in Iraq
POSTED: 9:38 a.m. EST, January 26, 2007
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has authorized the U.S. military to capture or kill Iranian agents in Iraq who are plotting attacks against U.S. and coalition forces, a U.S. national security official said Friday.

The policy, signed by President Bush in the last couple of months, is aimed at Iranian agents involved in those activities with members of Iraqi militias, the official said.

The Bush administration and U.S. military officials have accused Iran and Syria of helping insurgents inside Iraq.

Bush and his advisers had discussed the policy since last fall. The president decided to authorize it when the situation in Iraq continued to deteriorate and because the United States is looking to get tougher with Iran, the official said.

The Washington Post first reported the development, citing "government and counterterrorism officials with direct knowledge of the effort."

A statement from National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe on Friday said: "The president has made clear for some time that we will take the steps necessary to protect Americans on the ground in Iraq and disrupt activity that could lead to their harm. Our forces have standing authority consistent with the mandate of the U.N. Security Council."

"Iranian Revolutionary Guards Quds Force is a part of the Iranian state apparatus that supports and carries out these activities," the statement said.

This month, U.S. forces detained five Iranian nationals in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil, a U.S. military officer said.

A preliminary investigation found links between the detainees and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which has provided funds, weapons, bomb technology and training to extremist groups in Iraq, the coalition said. Iranian government officials denounced the detentions and said U.S. forces had raided an Iranian liaison office.

The Iraq study group, as part of its analysis of Bush administration policy in Iraq, had recommended diplomatic engagement with Iraq's neighbors, including Iran -- a tactic that the White House has rejected.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Peter Pace criticized Iran during testimony before Congress on January 12.

"We have our special operations forces everyday working against the networks that provide the weapons that kill our troops," said Pace. "They continue to raid and they will continue to raid. One of the reasons you keep hearing about Iran, is because we keep finding their stuff in Iraq."

Bomb strikes pet market
On Friday, a bomb killed at least 15 people and wounded 35 others in central Baghdad, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said. The bomb was stashed in a box and exploded in a pet market.

The Ghazel pet market is a popular destination on Fridays. People gather to sell and buy monkeys, cats, dogs and other animals.

The same market has been targeted before. In December, militants launched a mortar round into the market, killing three people and wounding 28 in the attack.

And in June, four people were killed and at least 50 injured when two bombs detonated in the market. (Watch how the battle for Baghdad is fought from apartment buildings )

In Friday's attack, a witness told The Associated Press that a carton containing pigeons blew up as potential buyers gathered around.

"My friends and I rushed to the scene where we saw burned dead bodies, pieces of flesh and several dead expensive puppies and birds," market customer Raad Hassan told the AP.

Also Friday, a U.S. Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 6 died after being wounded in Iraq's volatile Anbar province, the U.S. military announced.

The latest death brings the number of American military personnel who have died in Iraq to 3,058. Seven civilian contractors of the Defense Department also have been killed in the war.

Al-Maliki: 'Outlaws' will be targeted regardless of sect
Two more bombings in Baghdad on Friday morning wounded four civilians, and Iraqi police discovered six bullet-riddled bodies showing signs of torture dumped in an open yard in central Baghdad.

Friday's violence came a day after Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki urged the Iraqi Parliament to keep politics out of a new security plan for the capital.

On the same day as al-Maliki's address, bombings, mortar attacks and shootings killed at least 38 people around Baghdad, and police found 40 unidentified bodies dumped in the Iraqi capital. (Full story)

No one who engages in violence, either Shiite or Sunni, will be spared, al-Maliki said in the address shown live on national TV.

"I ask everyone to excuse us as we do the job," he said. "No school, house, mosque or husseiniya [Shiite mosques] will be out of reach of our forces if they are harboring outlaws. The same for political party headquarters."

The Iraqi leader dismissed the notion that his Shiite-led government was carrying out a vendetta against the minority Sunnis, who dominated Iraq during Saddam Hussein's rule.

"It's a law-and-order oriented plan, and it's not targeted against any sectarian group as claimed by some media outlets," al-Maliki said. "Some say it's targeting Shiites; others say it's targeting Sunnis.

"I say it's targeting everyone -- everyone that is outside the law."

Prime minister insists U.S. only offering support
Al-Maliki asserted that the security efforts were 100 percent Iraqi, with U.S.-led coalition forces "just backing us up."

Al-Maliki also promised that the army and police will not breach human rights to secure the capital. He said that rebuilding neighborhoods was part of the plan, which will carry humanitarian, social and economic components.

Al-Maliki said the security crackdown did not represent a last stand. "If we do not accomplish all our goals with this plan, we will revise it. There will be a second, third and fourth plan if need be," he said.

Bush announced two weeks ago that the U.S. will add 21,500 U.S. troops to the roughly 132,000 already in Iraq.

The troop increase has been soundly criticized by many in the U.S. Congress.

On Thursday, Republican Sen. John McCain, a leading advocate of sending more U.S. troops, said he'll try to blunt the impact of proposed Senate resolutions opposing a buildup with a new resolution of his own. (Full story)

Other development

Iraqi police backed by coalition forces detained five militiamen and arrested seven others during operations south of the capital near Kawam, according to the U.S. military. Coalition forces detained 13 suspected terrorists during raids Thursday in Karmah, in Anbar province near Syria; and Mosul in northern Iraq's Nineveh province, the U.S. military said

I have work in a few. I didnt look much through it, some interesting developements. Discuss.

Absinthe
26-01-2007, 05:40 PM
All the political humdrum aside, this only makes sense. If Iranians in Iraq are aiding what US forces see as enemy, they're going to be shot for all practical reasons.

Ome_Vince
26-01-2007, 05:58 PM
yeah, and there's even cases of Euro-Muslims fighting in Iraq, is that the next scary-newspost we get posted here?
"US authorized to shoot Euro-Muslims fighting in Iraq".

CptStern
26-01-2007, 06:04 PM
it will be interesting if they can tie the Iranian government to any soldiers captured in battle ..they'll have to abide by the geneva accords meaning any torture/interogation will be seen as war crimes

Ome_Vince
26-01-2007, 06:07 PM
Uhm. its not like they're known to care. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp)
I find it funny terrorists are "excused" from the Geneva convention because they're not soldiers, they're terrorists... uhum.
So if i want to have free reign with prisoners, all i have to do is label them as terrorists... :/ ah well, thats offtopic :P

CptStern
26-01-2007, 06:10 PM
yes but the pow in gitmo are in a sort of grey limbo area for the last 4 years ...the US is supposed to follow geneva conventions but we all know how strict they are in following them :upstare:

anyways Iran is a sovereign country and a signatory of the geneva accords ..the US must abide by them, there is no grey area that will allow them to do whatever they want ...however they could always use a secret prison ..many come in, no one comes out ..or claim publically that they're unlawful combatants instead of iranians

Ome_Vince
26-01-2007, 06:12 PM
yes, by branding them as terrorists = free reign.
Many of the residents of Guantanamo Bay are Afghani's recruited in the Taliban army, and also "protected" by international law, yet they're excused from it, since Bush labeled them as "terrorists".
It will be no different with any Iranians, Euro-Muslims and/or whatever fighter captured in Iraq of interest (as in, possibly carry any info or whatever).

CptStern
26-01-2007, 06:17 PM
no not really, the taliban wasnt recognised as the defacto ruler of afghanistan, they were labelled as a terrorist organisation


the geneva accords are quite clear in stipulating that soldiers must be fighting under a soveriegn nation's flag ..so if say Iran officially entered the war all soldiers would be covered by the accords ..however the US can always claim they're militias with iranian influence ..unless they're actively waving the iranian standard they're not protected

Ome_Vince
26-01-2007, 06:20 PM
Ah, right i didn't know the Taliban weren't recognized as legit ruler of Afghanistan.
Pretty retarded though, since many Taliban fighters were regular ppl forced to fight, rather than "terrorists".

CptStern
26-01-2007, 06:24 PM
not too mention that the US put them in power in the first place

gick
26-01-2007, 07:21 PM
U.S. troops allowed to kill Iranians plotting attacks in Iraq

Rightly so.

Neutrino
26-01-2007, 07:29 PM
I can undestand the rationale, but a part of me just cringes as we move even further away from even attempting diplomacy with neighboring countries.

gick
26-01-2007, 07:51 PM
I can undestand the rationale, but a part of me just cringes as we move even further away from even attempting diplomacy with neighboring countries.

To be fair, if Iran is going to send people in to aid attacks on US/UK troops, this sort of response is to be expected. And entirely justified.

RakuraiTenjin
27-01-2007, 06:08 PM
It's done anyway and it shouldn't matter where a terrorist is from. This is mostly just for political purposes doesn't seem like it'll make a big operational difference.

repiV
27-01-2007, 06:35 PM
no not really, the taliban wasnt recognised as the defacto ruler of afghanistan, they were labelled as a terrorist organisation


the geneva accords are quite clear in stipulating that soldiers must be fighting under a soveriegn nation's flag ..so if say Iran officially entered the war all soldiers would be covered by the accords ..however the US can always claim they're militias with iranian influence ..unless they're actively waving the iranian standard they're not protected

So why do you expend so much time and energy talking about how terrorists should be protected by the Geneva conventions?

CptStern
27-01-2007, 07:13 PM
because they are ..I was specifically referring to how the accords protects iranian combatants; if officially tied to the government

repiV
27-01-2007, 07:15 PM
because they are ..I was specifically referring to how the accords protects iranian combatants; if officially tied to the government

How can terrorists possibly be protected by the Geneva conventions if the Geneva conventions only protect members of national militaries?
When did Al Qaeda start flying the Iraqi flag?

CptStern
27-01-2007, 09:01 PM
ah sweet jesus we've been through this before ..do a search: "cptstern, geneva accords, repiV short memory"

repiV
27-01-2007, 10:50 PM
Why?

You just completely contradicted yourself. You said "the geneva accords are quite clear in stipulating that soldiers must be fighting under a soveriegn nation's flag".
Terrorist groups do not fight under a sovreign nation's flag. Why must you dodge the issue in such an obvious manner?

Aenama
27-01-2007, 11:29 PM
and even if....It wouldn't matter.I Iranian agents are cought,then they shouldn't be released,they should held prisoner as they as the Americans see fit.

CptStern
28-01-2007, 04:20 AM
Why?

You just completely contradicted yourself. You said "the geneva accords are quite clear in stipulating that soldiers must be fighting under a soveriegn nation's flag".


yes in order to be protected by the geneva accords ..however ALL prisoners of an occupied territory are also covered by the accords but much more vaguely in that they're to be treated humanely while a pow


or did you all of the sudden forget agreeing that I was correct when I said all prisoners are protected?

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2128479&highlight=geneva#post2128479


Detainees in an armed conflict or military occupation are also protected by common article 3 to the Geneva Conventions. Article 3 prohibits ?[v]iolence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; ?outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.?

Even persons who are not entitled to the protections of the 1949 Geneva Conventions (such as some detainees from third countries) are protected by the ?fundamental guarantees? of article 75 of Protocol I of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions.


Terrorist groups do not fight under a sovreign nation's flag. Why must you dodge the issue in such an obvious manner?


yes lets beat this dead horse one more time

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2128474&postcount=66

...you have a short memory, really would it have been that much work to search it yourself?



Ænema: your personal beliefs have no weight here ..they are protected no matter how much you think they're not

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/24/usint8614.htm


..even the bush admin (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202922,00.html) agrees the conventions protect them

15357
28-01-2007, 11:05 AM
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Walter
30-01-2007, 03:52 PM
Uhm. its not like they're known to care. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp)
I find it funny terrorists are "excused" from the Geneva convention because they're not soldiers, they're terrorists... uhum.
So if i want to have free reign with prisoners, all i have to do is label them as terrorists... :/ ah well, thats offtopic :P

Is it me, or in 2003 iraq soldiers were called "terrorists". Can't remember, though i think it was the case.

kirovman
30-01-2007, 07:33 PM
Is it me, or in 2003 iraq soldiers were called "terrorists". Can't remember, though i think it was the case.

Don't think so, they were called the Iraqi army, or Republican Guard, and were considered a legitimate force.

There wasn't much resistance on that front though.

Neutrino
01-02-2007, 06:13 AM
I find it sad that not that long after the Iraq report recommended increasing diplomacy with Iran we are now a stones throw away from going to war with them. One itchy trigger finger and *boom*.

I'm not saying Iran is exactly innocent by any means, but I think people are way to eager for a fight on both sides, even if they don't admit as much. Sure everyone claims they don't want a war, but if they are a student of history at all they know that this is how wars start.