China letting computers hand out death sentences [Archive]

Icarusintel

14-09-2006, 10:03 PM

Holy shit (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/09/14/Chinese_computers_to_decide_death_sentences/)

The Chinese are either incredibly brilliant, or they've just started something that hopefully doesn;t catch on. I can understand the problem with corrupt judges, but still. Letting a computer decide a person's fate? Damn. The world just got a whole lot scarier today.

Beerdude26

14-09-2006, 10:11 PM

Holy shit (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/09/14/Chinese_computers_to_decide_death_sentences/)

The Chinese are either incredibly brilliant, or they've just started something that hopefully doesn;t catch on. I can understand the problem with corrupt judges, but still. Letting a computer decide a person's fate? Damn. The world just got a whole lot scarier today.God dammit. This reminds me of something. Is it a movie? A series? I think it was a comic strip.

Anyway, it also just featured a computer saying what punishment someone got. But then the computer flips and gives a death sentence to a guy who stole a purse. But the technicians must follow the computer's judgement, because it is infallible.

Smoke

14-09-2006, 10:11 PM

In china, they shoot you for hacking.

Greatgat

14-09-2006, 10:17 PM

God dammit. This reminds me of something. Is it a movie? A series? I think it was a comic strip.

Anyway, it also just featured a computer saying what punishment someone got. But then the computer flips and gives a death sentence to a guy who stole a purse. But the technicians must follow the computer's judgement, because it is infallible.

There was also something like that in a book called 'Mockingbird'. Robots controlled society, judged people, controlled people's thought patterns, etc. Until one robot gets tired of excisting and... Well, you'll have to read it. Great book though.

mortiz

14-09-2006, 10:30 PM

They better make sure there're no bugs in it. I'm glad I don't live in China.

Beerdude26

14-09-2006, 10:33 PM

They better make sure there're no bugs in it. I'm glad I don't live in China."And the verdict is: Variable Not Defined. Ok :|"

Tyguy

14-09-2006, 10:36 PM

hmmm, cant decide if thats good or not. On one hand its a computer and would know the average sentence for a certain crime, then again, it wont show mercy.

tehsolace

14-09-2006, 10:43 PM

Its one thing to use a computer system to look up similiar cases in the past and use that as reference.

Judges currently have to do something like that here in the US, where they look up past cases of the same incident and use it for their decision (or they can overrule it)... i dunno if they use a computer database to keep all the records and search but they should if they dont.

But having the computer determine an outcome? Thats crazy... theres way too many variables and you can't set priorities the same with them. What if someone was temporarily insane? What happens to reasonable doubt and a jury?

Black_Wolf

14-09-2006, 10:43 PM

wont compute...KILL KILL!!!

tehsolace

14-09-2006, 10:45 PM

Offense: Hacking.

*computer compiles case*

Result: "DEATH FOR THE COMPUTER KILLER"

kirovman

14-09-2006, 10:50 PM

"The court will now hear the case of --"
- GUILTY
"I object!"
- VOID
"This is a violation of my constitutional rights!"
- UNRECOGNIZED INPUT: 'CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS'
"I'm going to appeal this! I'll take it to Amnesty International!"
- FATAL ERROR

tehsolace

14-09-2006, 10:54 PM

"The court will now hear the case of --"
- GUILTY
"I object!"
- VOID
"This is a violation of my constitutional rights!"
- UNRECOGNIZED INPUT: 'CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS'
"I'm going to appeal this! I'll take it to Amnesty International!"
- FATAL ERROR

rofl @ "hear the case of..." GUILTY

JNightshade

14-09-2006, 11:13 PM

That's both terrifying and despicable.

Geogaddi

14-09-2006, 11:18 PM

Just one step closer to our most perfect Autocratic society. :D

kirovman

14-09-2006, 11:21 PM

Autocratic.... and technocratic :O

Geogaddi

14-09-2006, 11:25 PM

Autocratic.... and technocratic :O

Yeah, I meant to say too.

Also, now is the only appropriate time to use the borg smiley.

:borg:

Death.Trap

15-09-2006, 06:28 AM

Its one thing to use a computer system to look up similiar cases in the past and use that as reference.

Judges currently have to do something like that here in the US, where they look up past cases of the same incident and use it for their decision (or they can overrule it)... i dunno if they use a computer database to keep all the records and search but they should if they dont.

But having the computer determine an outcome? Thats crazy... theres way too many variables and you can't set priorities the same with them. What if someone was temporarily insane? What happens to reasonable doubt and a jury?

Temporarily insane? I think I know what your saying..but I also think that sounds like an excuse more than anything else.

Absinthe

15-09-2006, 06:34 AM

Autocratic.... and technocratic :O

Technocracies seem so keen. When I hear the word, I think of a bunch of scientists and robots candyflipping to pounding techno music 24/7 in a metropolis of EXCELLENCE.

ailevation

15-09-2006, 06:40 AM

Matrix, Ghost in the Shell conflict going on.

[Dragoon]

15-09-2006, 07:05 AM

In china, they shoot you for hacking.

I thought you were kidding until I read the article...

tehsolace

15-09-2006, 07:10 AM

Temporarily insane? I think I know what your saying..but I also think that sounds like an excuse more than anything else.

whether it sounds like a bogus claim or not, its still something that many cases end up in... and if courts don't dismiss it, i dont want a computer dismissing it either...

Bad^Hat

15-09-2006, 10:24 AM

How long before they become self-aware? :(

Link

15-09-2006, 10:49 AM

They are not letting the computer make the desision, they just give the judge a guideline. Don't forget, this is about stopping corruption, so they record what the PC said and what the judge actually gave, and if theres a large difference, they investigate why. Stops the judge being bribed to give a light/heavy sentance.

The Brick

15-09-2006, 10:58 AM

Jury: DEATH!

Computer: *blue screen of death*

Jury: Agreed!

hool10

15-09-2006, 03:30 PM

Whats funny is the software is created by a human, and humans are flawed. :smoking: Whats next a magic 8 ball is going to be the judge because people can't do their jobs?

Steven

15-09-2006, 03:40 PM

I suppose it would be harder to hack the computer then to terrify the judge.

Azner

15-09-2006, 05:12 PM

SYSTEM ERROR

Matrix Code Messed Up

EXECUTE ALL PERSONNEL..

I MEAN EXECUTE ALL PERSONS

ERROR ERROR ERROR

Now that would be freaky...

kirovman

15-09-2006, 06:07 PM

I suppose it would be harder to hack the computer then to terrify the judge.

Why are scared eggs easier to cook?

They're terror-fried.

CookieCuttah

15-09-2006, 09:49 PM

Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the most righteous of them all?

You're a bastard and a crook, so you'll hang upon a hook.

function9

15-09-2006, 10:29 PM

Is the computer going to print out "pwned!" across the screen after sentencing? :p

ailevation

15-09-2006, 10:31 PM

I wonder what are specs on that computer... AMD or Intel? Nvidia or ATI? Could play BIG factors when making decisions.

kirovman

15-09-2006, 10:52 PM

I heard the sentencing is based on a random seed.

tehsolace

15-09-2006, 11:08 PM

I wonder what are specs on that computer... AMD or Intel? Nvidia or ATI? Could play BIG factors when making decisions.

yea Nvidia may have lowered the quality of the result for a faster response time...

Sulkdodds

15-09-2006, 11:14 PM

Good christ, that's sinister.

kirovman

15-09-2006, 11:33 PM

Good christ, that's sinister.

Why are you still here?

I thought the administration finally banned your ass?

Sulkdodds

15-09-2006, 11:38 PM

I proved my innocence by killing a load of people.

kirovman

15-09-2006, 11:38 PM

Ah. Justice is sweet.

Azner

18-09-2006, 04:23 PM

sc:hello i am smarter child
Lawyer(L): hello when will be the verdict be held
sc: Tell me about it
L:hows 28 july
sc: oo i love the number 28
L: July is that fine
sc: oo i know alot about july heres some links
www.blah.com www.blah.com

etc

Angry Lawyer

18-09-2006, 05:34 PM

One step closer to installing Maintonon as the ruler of humanity :D

-Angry Lawyer

alehm

18-09-2006, 09:40 PM

The Chinese will own us all someday. After they wreck the world economy through cheap labor and finishing off the worlds oil reserves when the dicator there buys every citizen a SUV they will then just march out with a 200 million man army and take as much land as they want. Yo might as stop googling the word "freedom" right now.

hungryduck

18-09-2006, 09:44 PM

1984, here we come....

kirovman

18-09-2006, 09:44 PM

The Chinese will own us all someday. After they wreck the world economy through cheap labor and finishing off the worlds oil reserves when the dicator there buys every citizen a SUV they will then just march out with a 200 million man army and take as much land as they want. Yo might as stop googling the word "freedom" right now.

Who told you our plan? -- http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7431/shhlol225jx.gif

<RJMC>

18-09-2006, 09:47 PM

judge:whats the verdict?
computer: obey
judge:what?
computer: OBEY
judge.wtf?
*computer trow a cable to the head of the judge and inset*
judge:we must obey

AzzMan

18-09-2006, 10:01 PM

one positive thing is you cant pay a computer to get someone off the hook, or to nail em....

Azner

19-09-2006, 10:57 AM

one positive thing is you cant pay a computer to get someone off the hook, or to nail em....

H4X0R... D: