new radar sucks ass

[mmurph211]

now any noob can play, so much for listening to footsteps. 50% of the time you know where they are, especially if the enemy is awping from across the map, and you now know exactly where he is after shooting your teammate...

all i can say is lame

[Zeus]

I haven't played it yet but it sounds pretty crap. I liked listening for footsteps it added a whole different layer to the gameplay.

[_Z_Ryuken]

I haven't played it yet but it sounds pretty cool. I don't tihnk it changes much because people never used their damn radar before anyway. This should make TKs less frequent as people will now be paying more attention.
I see nothing but good.

Oh, and welcome to the forums. (:

Ridiculous first post. All I can say is lame, and your profile sucks ass. (;

[Asuka]

Its fine. Its just a better radar thats all. Great update. Plus they fixed all the clipping problems on train!

[Bull Goose Loony]

why change it when it was perfect as it was. just unnecessary crap that makes the game less fun.

[TheMastahC]

I love the new minimap.

why change it when it was perfect as it was. just unnecessary crap that makes the game less fun.

You may think it was perfect. I didn't.

People always bitch about every new addition. Most of them are morons.

[colson]

Are you f ucking kidding me??? This is the worst update that I can remember. It's so stupid and so unnessicary. Valve has already noobed up the game so bad its barely exceptable i.e the stupid names of the rooms and the power of the guns and etc. Plus the stupid radar is huge! It takes up like a quarter of the screen. Also it takes away from the teamplay of the game and makes it like we got some ailean sixth sense. Why does valve always try to fix things that aren't broken? Did they really need to noob up episode 2? Did they need to invent some stupid new radar? No. I understand the intention but really why add in something like this when the game is set up almost perfectly? If they added the sight thing on the old radar it wouldn't be so bad but really isn't that what teammates are for?

[Bull Goose Loony]

exactly. also the radio calls, eg enemy spotted.

also, what was wrong with the old radar? what kind of retard needs to see the entire map to use a radar effectively?

[DiSTuRbEd]

How about you people learn to quit bitching and be happy they even ****ing update anymore. Jesus christ ungrateful little shits some of you are.

[TheMastahC]

How about you people learn to quit bitching and be happy they even ****ing update anymore. Jesus christ ungrateful little shits some of you are.

/clap



This just feeds my theory that CS players can't accept any change.


This update is sweet.

[xombine]

If you whining nubs want to play it like the original then do just that, go play 1.6. There's nothing wrong with the update, CS:Source is Valve's work, they can do what they want with it. Don't be so moronic because it isn't EXACTLY the same as 1.6.

[Absinthe]

now any noob can play,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... HAHAHAHHA... HA

Since when is this a new development?

[DEATHMASTER]

I still don't think the TKs will go down.

[_Z_Ryuken]

I still don't think the TKs will go down.

I'm gonna find out in an hour or so here soon as my buddy gets on.
Anyone wanna come with?

[DEATHMASTER]

I just tried, I'm staring at the enemy and my teamate enters from the other side, I'm hoping he knows the enemy is there cuz he's on the damned radar now, yet he comes up to me and tries to shoot me! Just goes to show how retarded people are.

[Vegeta897]

Who cares about the radar, I think the new crouching thing is monumentally game-changing. Imo it's awesome because you can use cover a lot better and i think it's more realistic.

[_Z_Ryuken]

Who cares about the radar, I think the new crouching thing is monumentally game-changing. Imo it's awesome because you can use cover a lot better and i think it's more realistic.

Crouching thing?

[Vegeta897]

Your view when you crouch is higher up. Your model and hitboxes are the same, but you see and shoot with a higher view. I think this is cool because it sort of simulates peeking out.

[_Z_Ryuken]

Your view when you crouch is higher up. Your model and hitboxes are the same, but you see and shoot with a higher view. I think this is cool because it sort of simulates peeking out.

Ah. That explains how I was awped by someone's forehead.

[Bull Goose Loony]

How about you people learn to quit bitching and be happy they even ****ing update anymore. Jesus christ ungrateful little shits some of you are.

i fail to see the problem with not liking an update that makes the game worse instead of advancing it. although it is pretty fun to watch when you're dead.

[Asus]

It was an OK update. I hardly ever crouch so that doesn't really affect me.

If there was a way to go back to the minimalist radar before then I would. It gave me all the info I needed without getting in the way. I use my eyes and ears and simple deduction to know where enemy is. If gun fire is over to the left or if a teammate dies around the corner, gee whiz where could the enemy be? Funny thing is a lot of people on pubs don't respond to that kind of info and keep going the other way. I guess I still have to get used to it yet.

When you are dead, all the paths that people take really crowd the radar too. I guess it doesn't matter since you are dead. /shrug

All the people in the server I was playing kept calling it gaydar. :naughty:

[destrukt]

I want to say 2 things, "I told you so" and "I freaking hate Valve" - they may have a clue when it comes to some things, but other areas (Like CS) they should leave it alone.

CS:S is dead to me and if they touch normal CS I'll pretty much hate them forever.

[Vegeta897]

I want to say 2 things, "I told you so" and "I freaking hate Valve" - they may have a clue when it comes to some things, but other areas (Like CS) they should leave it alone.

CS:S is dead to me and if they touch normal CS I'll pretty much hate them forever.
Then why don't you go unplug your internet cable and go play in your safezone forever instead wasting time complaining.

[Atomic_Piggy]

I want to say 2 things, "I told you so" and "I freaking hate Valve" - they may have a clue when it comes to some things, but other areas (Like CS) they should leave it alone.

CS:S is dead to me and if they touch normal CS I'll pretty much hate them forever.

So you could do better? The CS:S cummunity has been calling for updates for ages. Whenever VALVe do (and I'm not just talking about this time) the cummunity bitches and moans.

[Asus]

A little extreme, don't you think? I had just as much fun playing office as I normally do. ;)
Just give it some time and you'll get used to it. Or go play CS 1.6.

[destrukt]

Haha, I'm being as 'non-serious' as ever, just making posts like that are.. 'interesting' or so. Valve are still great. :)


Vegeta, I don't know if you were trying to be funny or insult me, but you failed in both cases. :P

lol, Atomic_pigy, settle down the insults, it's called an opinion, deal with it.

Where did I say [or even imply] that I could somehow do better ? And I'd like to throw out the age old argument, 'do I have to be an artist to critique an artist's work ?'

I don't care about making it perfect or even better, that old cliche, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply here.


If you can't reply in a reasonable manner, don't Vegeta or Atomic, thanks for playing. :D

[Vegeta897]

Vegeta, I don't know if you were trying to be funny or insult me, but you failed in both cases. :P
Insult? Err. I was making a point, friend. Who has the hostile attitude here? Not to mention acting high and mighty with that last comment.

I'll say it another way.

If game developers said "if it's not broke don't fix it" we would still be playing Doom.

The fact that you're shunning Valve for trying (and succeeding, except with few players such as yourself) to make their games better is laughable.

[Atomic_Piggy]

Haha, I'm being as 'non-serious' as ever, just making posts like that are.. 'interesting' or so. Valve are still great. :)


Vegeta, I don't know if you were trying to be funny or insult me, but you failed in both cases. :P

lol, Atomic_pigy, settle down the insults, it's called an opinion, deal with it.

Where did I say [or even imply] that I could somehow do better ? And I'd like to throw out the age old argument, 'do I have to be an artist to critique an artist's work ?'

I don't care about making it perfect or even better, that old cliche, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply here.


If you can't reply in a reasonable manner, don't Vegeta or Atomic, thanks for playing. :D

Alright, my apologies, I'm gonna edit out the insulting words. I'm just saying VALVe are doing their best.

[colson]

Insult? Err. I was making a point, friend. Who has the hostile attitude here? Not to mention acting high and mighty with that last comment.

I'll say it another way.

If game developers said "if it's not broke don't fix it" we would still be playing Doom.

The fact that you're shunning Valve for trying (and succeeding, except with few players such as yourself) to make their games better is laughable.

How could you say such a thing? It says right on the box that cs:s is a game that requires "teamplay" and strategy. So by giving the player some kind of special magical radar thing without a teammate actually telling them of a enemy or the player actually seeing the enemy, it takes away from the teamplay and ruins the immersion and semi-realism of the game. No one here ever said all the updates are bad but when you deviate from the critical mechanics of the game so that it can be more noob friendly for pubs you might as well give it a whole new name. Don't give me that go play 1.6 bullshit either. Many people including me enjoy playing source because it is graphically better, theres less hackers, and so far there's less annoying 12 year olds that won't shut up on there mics. Source is also a lot more predicatable aiming and is a bit easier overall making it more fun. But all I'm saying is make updates but ones that don't change the way the game is played drastically. For example I wouldn't mind a change of prices of weapons and equipment and I wouldn't mind if they made the grenades do more damage. These are very small changes and they don't really change the main mechanics of the game.

[Stormy]

Then why don't you go unplug your internet cable and go play in your safezone forever instead wasting time complaining.

hahaha! pwned.

[destrukt]

No problem Atomic.

Vegeta, I guess you're post was as misleading as mine was, or almost as much as mine. ;)


Like with colson, I'm not against updates and improving it, but things like this are just too far, they're killing the gameplay of Counter-Strike.

Doom 3 is as much Doom 1 as it is Doom 3 - Trust me, that made more sense when I first thought of it.

What I'm saying is, Doom 3 is basically the same gameplay, you run around dark corridors looking for red keys to open the red doors and you mindlessly blast monsters.

This has severely affected gameplay in Counter-Strike, which I'm against.


I'll re-approach the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it cliche" - The gameplay of Counter-Strike is fine, including the use of radar, knowing where your enemies are or aren't, use of sound and so on, everything this radar affects in gameplay - There is nothing dramatically wrong with it and this update basically kicking that cliche in the face.


All I really want is a simple 'visual refresh' of CS 1.6 on the Source engine with maybe 1 or 2 small mechanics of gameplay changed. ;(

[Atomic_Piggy]

And snakes in Dust 3

[Gorgon]

The radar is nice, I REALLY love the health bar.

de_train looks alot cooler with HDR ON.

[Atomic_Piggy]

The radar is nice, I REALLY love the health bar.

de_train looks alot cooler with HDR ON.

QFT

[SimonomiS]

Any pictures of it?

[Zeus]

How about you people learn to quit bitching and be happy they even ****ing update anymore. Jesus christ ungrateful little shits some of you are.

Don't pull the "You're all ungrateful bastards" card just because some people don't like the new update. It's not like they gave us some side bonus which doesn't really affect the game, the game has been almost completely changed now and we can't go back...what are you expecting us to say? "Thanks valve!" ? There's a difference between being an "ungrateful shit" and being pissed at valve for changing the entire gameplay of CSS.

And yes, I have played CSS with the new update and the new radar does suck ass. I'm not an "ungrateful little shit" because I hate the new radar. Get over your damn fanboyism for 2 seconds and start learning to accept others opinions..

[TheMastahC]

It seems alot of people are bitching, when they don't know what the radar does.

It doesn't show everyone on the other team all the time.
Everytime I've seen someone spoted, they showed in the same spot for around 2 seconds.

If you're saying that all skill was thrown out the window, you're a moron. How about you pop out and kill the people while they're checking out their radar?
Listening still plays as much of a role as it did before.

I am really hating CS players.

[DiSTuRbEd]

Don't pull the "You're all ungrateful bastards" card just because some people don't like the new update. It's not like they gave us some side bonus which doesn't really affect the game, the game has been almost completely changed now and we can't go back...what are you expecting us to say? "Thanks valve!" ? There's a difference between being an "ungrateful shit" and being pissed at valve for changing the entire gameplay of CSS.

And yes, I have played CSS with the new update and the new radar does suck ass. I'm not an "ungrateful little shit" because I hate the new radar. Get over your damn fanboyism for 2 seconds and start learning to accept others opinions..

Oh so the people that bitched about not getting updates, and then BITCH about when they do get one how it sucks, they aren't ungrateful bastards? Please explain to me what they are then....

Well you know what you can do if you don't like the changes, seeing as it closely resembles a CERTAIN game how about going to play that one instead?

Fanboyism? No, I just think its quit ****ED UP when hundreds of people bitch about no updates and then get one and in a matter of an hour or 2 are BITCHING AGAIN. I accept others opinions, but why should I accept it when people are calling Valve ****heads/pieces of shit, etc?

I am really hating CS players.

I always have hated the CS community mostly. Most of them bitch about changes when they have no idea what it does and what was changed. Just go over to SPUF in the CS:S section, you'll see what I mean. ;)

[-Psy-]

There's a difference between being an "ungrateful shit" and being pissed at valve for changing the entire gameplay of CSS.


Rofl. Adding a better radar isn't changing the gameplay.

My definition of changing the gameplay is having rocket launchers, bunny-hopping and jets.

OH NOES A RADAR WTF VALVE J00 SUCKS!

[destrukt]

themasta, I've played it after the update and my comments still stand.

disturbed, so you're assuming (that's the keyword here) that everyone in this thread who has not posted in a positive light about the most recent update was lobying for valve to release an update ? I know I wasn't, I want them to basically leave it alone.

Also, has anyone directly insulted Valve in this thread ? I think the worst was me saying they butchered CS.. so, why complain about others on other forums ? It seems the very few of us who do not like this update have decent reasoning and are being reasonable about it. :)

So, how do you know anyone this thread is being 'ungrateful' - have any of the other people who have 'complained' being seen making posts asking for Valve an update to CS:S ?

I'm not even part of the 'cs community,' I only play in competitions/tournaments and at lan cafes when I'm there with friends, I don't visit any online forums or anything because I also don't like the cs community. And if your comment was directed at myself [and others] it doesn't really apply because as said, I'm not part of the community nor do I regularly complain or do anything 'bad.' ;)

Pyscho, you're over-simplifying it and taking things out of context, go away. :)

[Puzzlemaker]

I wasn't going to be bothered playing CS:S with the update, considering I don't play it much anyway, but after reading all these posts I think I will.

[Asus]

I think it does change gameplay a bit. Knowing where someone is ahead of time will change what you were going to do. All it takes is a teammate to spot an enemy. Now you know it would have been a bad idea to rush in without some kind of grenade first if there are a few enemies around the corner. Or maybe now the radar shows a guy to the left of you down a hall that you can nail in the back.

I think it's funny that this was aimed at pubs. Most guys in pubs are running and gunning. A lot of them don't pay attention to their radar, let alone a fading enemy dot. You have to be well prepared for someone to know exactly where you are which puts pressure on teamwork which pubs don't have.
If anything it helps CSS matches with all the info it provides. At least in matches more people might take the time to study the radar.

[Vegeta897]

"Completely changed gameplay" Pardon me, but what the **** are you on about? Have you even played? It's the exact same thing, except you're slightly more situationally aware if you have time to look at the radar during a firefight.

Talk about over reacting. I'd hate to see you people if they were to do something like take out a weapon.

And as for "it's a teamplay game, we shouldn't need the radar" let me just laugh for a minute. Let's not be ignorant of the fact that teamplay online is a joke. Honestly I can't believe you brought that up as an argument. This radar makes up for the fact that people don't use radio commands such as "enemy spotted". Mind you that's pretty much the ONLY radio command this radar replaces.

I still don't understand what you people mean by "completely changed" gameplay.

And by the way, there is a console command to turn off the radar if that helps.

[destrukt]

I'd like to point out that I'm not in the 'completely changed gameplay' camp and it seems I've successfully shown I am correct and have freed myself from possible further discussion.. :P

Good day chaps.

Wait, I thought of a good point for this, if you happen to be in a war/pug online and do not have a mic so you aren't able to quickly scream "x is at y" this could be useful - otherwise, I'm strongly against it. /puts foot down

[-Psy-]

It's alsmot exactly the same as the old radar except you can see where the enemy is/was.

It makes the game more tactical and enjoyable tbh...

But it keeps distracting me when I play :P

[Hellhound]

I like the new radar, shows exactly where your team are so you can stick together... makes the game much more tactical. And it doesn't really give away the enemy position..

[_Z_Ryuken]

I played til 2am last night and I gotta say I love the new radar. My friend took me to some weak server where he was owning up, and everyone there was complaining about the radar. I think one guy used it as an excuse to wall me, but with my ping spikes I can't say for sure.
I think krynn was there.
I changed to a local server and everyone was neither here nor there about it. I would actually just watch the radar if I was folllowing people, but that habit faded fast and I was back into normal mode and started to forget about the radar.

The crouch changed my gameplay. People don't seem to be taking much advantage of it but I think it gives my playstyle a huge advantage. It did cause me to die before I got used to it because I jumped down to a point to deagle snipe someone but I was too tall to see anything higher then their feet. :x
It also makes hiding under trains a little harder.

All in all I approve. Spec'ing is great.

[The Brick]

Now I'm oftenly found standing still staring at my radar...
It's soo much easier now. Exploiting it is no problem, if you want to check something out (like in dust2, want to check ddoors from B or short A) you can just turn 45° and you can see further.

Although it kinda destroys my advantage of my super radar awareness, I like it :)

[DEATHMASTER]

It's alsmot exactly the same as the old radar except you can see where the enemy is/was.

It makes the game more tactical and enjoyable tbh...

But it keeps distracting me when I play :P
Yeah same for me, pretty colors :imu:

[TheMastahC]

ADD does suck.

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

new radar rocks...if anything it promotes teamplay as it allows you to be much more tactical aware(being able to see which way temmates face fx.), it also makes matches faster since it's more diffficult to camp the match out and people will generally find eachother faster.

[Asus]

One thing I have really noticed is an increase in random nades (especially flash) in pubs. I can't count on how many times I've been blinded in maps like Office and Dust 2 where multiple paths cross. From teammates and the enemy, they see dots all over their radar and just throw.

[Bull Goose Loony]

after playing it for a while my maion problem with it is just that the increased detail makes it much harder to just quickly glance at and know straight away where every1 is, now i spend longer studying it to figure out wtfs going on. i wouldnt have minded enemies popping up for a second or 2, i just think putting a detailed map in clutters it up too much

[edit] and i mean, really, showing exactly where the bomb is is taking things too far, if youre that shit that you cant find the bomb you shouldnt be allowed to play.

[_Z_Ryuken]

after playing it for a while my maion problem with it is just that the increased detail makes it much harder to just quickly glance at and know straight away where every1 is, now i spend longer studying it to figure out wtfs going on. i wouldnt have minded enemies popping up for a second or 2, i just think putting a detailed map in clutters it up too much

[edit] and i mean, really, showing exactly where the bomb is is taking things too far, if youre that shit that you cant find the bomb you shouldnt be allowed to play.

I kinda agree here. It takes me a little longer to get a hold of what people are doing if there's action.
The bomb thing I think is worse, but only because it's harder for me to see than a blinking red dot. All night I was wonder where the bomb was.

[DEATHMASTER]

I think all you have to do is get used to it, probably wont take long.

[DeusExMachina]

Can someone show me a screenshot of the new radar?

[DEATHMASTER]

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=165005

[madog]

i agree with you, the new update is stupid and it ****ed up my skin and all the mods on cs. Now the game sometimes crashes and that NEVER happened to me before. I wish they just left the shit the same. The crouch view update is ok I guess though. I dont even need a radar anyway. I just hear where enemy shots are coming from to aproximate their position or listen to the sound of the footstep to tell on which terrain they are or how far away. The radar takes up too much space now.

[Atomic_Piggy]

Now the game sometimes crashes and that NEVER happened to me before.

Mine doesn't crash.

[Asus]

Mine doesn't crash or lag either.

It really makes it too easy for the rushing team. Just pop your head out and now your whole team gets an idea of what they have to face around the corner. They just rush harder and hit their marks that much easier.

Maybe people in pubs on D will have to down their targets faster and get used to the idea of stealth. What's that shift key do again? It's so funny when people say you hack but you just listen to footsteps. (tonights experience)

[Atomic_Piggy]

Agreed. I'm sure we'll get used to it eventaully though. ;)

[-Psy-]

after playing it for a while my maion problem with it is just that the increased detail makes it much harder to just quickly glance at and know straight away where every1 is, now i spend longer studying it to figure out wtfs going on. i wouldnt have minded enemies popping up for a second or 2, i just think putting a detailed map in clutters it up too much

So your saying that by actually showing the map it makes it somewhat harder to see where your team mates are and the enemy is?

So your prefered it with just the red dots in empty space?

Hm..k.

[DiSTuRbEd]

i agree with you, the new update is stupid and it ****ed up my skin and all the mods on cs.

Oh well about mods getting screwed up, the creators should have patched them by now. VALVe isn't responsible for them.

[Asus]

So your saying that by actually showing the map it makes it somewhat harder to see where your team mates are and the enemy is?

So your prefered it with just the red dots in empty space?

Hm..k.I think what he's saying is that because there is so much detail, it takes longer to proccess that information and less time looking ahead ready to shoot. So there is a bigger chance of an enemy coming around the corner and popping you in the head while you are looking at the radar.

Sorta like looking in your rear view mirror trying to read a sign or license plate while driving and running into the car infront of you (instead of just glancing to see if there is a car behind you).

[Rippedsteel]

Been playing css for the last few hours and um... I love it! Took a small bit of getting used to but I think it (the radar) really speeds up the game nicely, go VALVe!

[XIII]

the radars fine...valve should adjust the dmg for the god damn awp

[Bull Goose Loony]

So your saying that by actually showing the map it makes it somewhat harder to see where your team mates are and the enemy is?

So your prefered it with just the red dots in empty space?

Hm..k.

yes because red dots on empty space are a lot easier to see than dull coloured dots on a multi-oloured background. and from knowledge of the map and communication you can tell where teammates are on that simple radar and not need a radar with every little detail of the map on it. i just don't think the radar needs to show all the static unchanging stuff thats always gonna be there no matter what.

[0mar]

The new minimap is fine, however, showing enemies on it is absurd. Kind of stupid.

As for the newb comment, Source actually takes a great deal of skill. Maybe less than 1.6 (but not much), but to actually play it on a high-level requires intimate knowledge of the game.

FYI, I played 1.6 at the highest levels of competition, CAL-M/P with e-police and went to CPL a couple times with u5 and e-police. Source is/was just as competitive as 1.6, just in a different manner. I'm not so sure now with this new "seeing the other player bit".

[colson]

the radars fine...valve should adjust the dmg for the god damn awp

Agreed. I'm looking forward to them changing the prices of the weapons. I hope they make the awp like 10 g's. The awp would actually become a weapon you would charish and there would be so much less of them it would be excellent. Maybe some people will have to get some skill and use a scout. I'm tired of playing aztec walking through the double doors and getting capped. Or trying to cross the bridge. It's just ridiculously hard somtimes if you got a bunch of awpers.

[Underhill[FIN]]

any1 else have noticed that bullets seem to fly trough objects better after update? Or is it just my imagination....

[-Psy-]

yes because red dots on empty space are a lot easier to see than dull coloured dots on a multi-oloured background. and from knowledge of the map and communication you can tell where teammates are on that simple radar and not need a radar with every little detail of the map on it. i just don't think the radar needs to show all the static unchanging stuff thats always gonna be there no matter what.

The dots are blue and green. Hardly dull colours :D

[Atomic_Piggy]

Agreed. I'm looking forward to them changing the prices of the weapons. I hope they make the awp like 10 g's. The awp would actually become a weapon you would charish and there would be so much less of them it would be excellent. Maybe some people will have to get some skill and use a scout. I'm tired of playing aztec walking through the double doors and getting capped. Or trying to cross the bridge. It's just ridiculously hard somtimes if you got a bunch of awpers.

IMO AWP is for N00bs.

[Tamer17]

I love the new radar , the old one was useless. I don't see how showing the enemy on the radar for a couple of seconds ruins anything. In reality and perfect gaming world , pepole would announce when they encounter an enemy , in CS alot of players don't do that so i guess the radar also addresses this point.

Anyhow , it's fun too look at when you're dead , seeing the paths the players move and stuff. I like the health bars too.

[-Psy-]

IMO AWP is for N00bs.

All pub servers should have AWP banned and leave it to the people who have the skill to use it properly without plonking their ass on the ground and just picking off people from CT Spawn.

Refering to Dust2 :P

[Steven]

"If Valve update's the game (which they payed for) in a way which some people don't like, then these people don't have the right to complain because they complained about other updates aswell."

Sometimes you guy's can really piss me off.

[Rippedsteel]

Agreed. I'm looking forward to them changing the prices of the weapons. I hope they make the awp like 10 g's. The awp would actually become a weapon you would charish and there would be so much less of them it would be excellent. Maybe some people will have to get some skill and use a scout. I'm tired of playing aztec walking through the double doors and getting capped. Or trying to cross the bridge. It's just ridiculously hard somtimes if you got a bunch of awpers.

If the awp was 10k people what would likely happen on pub (imo) is that anyone who ever bought one would find a camping spot and not move until the map change, regardless of bombs, time limits hostages or anything else. Nobody wants to lose 12k worth of kit... Obviously some people do this anyway, but in my experience they're usually the ones that are too rubbish to do anything else and are relatively easily dealt with.

A small increase in the cost of an awp wouldn't do too much hurt, but 10k? Be serious...

[-Psy-]

I think the AWP needs some kind of feature to stop it firing so fast or something.

I don't know lol.

[Atomic_Piggy]

All pub servers should have AWP banned and leave it to the people who have the skill to use it properly without plonking their ass on the ground and just picking off people from CT Spawn.

Refering to Dust2 :P

Of course. :)

[destrukt]

wait, people still complain about the awp ? lol.. oh dear, give up on cs, now, or a few years ago would've been preferable.

[-Psy-]

I don't mind the awp. It makes you commit yourself to tactics but when the whole team has it...it's just annoying =/

[DEATHMASTER]

Price changes...I don't really know what they'll change, maybe price per bullet incase i only used one last round?

[Vegeta897]

Man, they could do so much with the buy system. Perhaps have a menu section for left-over ammo that people have extra of when they buy ammo like the situation Deathmaster described. Or have certain things "on sale" (reduced price) on some rounds, randomly. Would encourage using different weapons other than M4 and AK all the time.

[Asus]

I don't mind AWPs either. It isn't that hard to defend or advance even if most of the team has them. That just means they are all going to be in the back or around the corner, perfect place for my flash or HE nade. Besides, they have a rhythm so that makes it easier to take them down.

One thing I think they should change is how easy it is to get jumping headshots. Such as with an m4, aug or other rifle. I don't mind the shotguns because they are supposed to be powerful up close.

[DEATHMASTER]

new weapons would be nice...new pistols in particular.

[_Z_Ryuken]

They should increase HE nade count to 2.
That would even the feild between me and AWPs.

[DEATHMASTER]

I always wondered why we could only carry one, the side belt things that hold the nades seem capable of holding as many as there are sections.

[XIII]

they should put the damn tactical shield bak to CS:S
make it so its not invincible..
why the hell did they remove it anyway.

[DiSTuRbEd]

they should put the damn tactical shield bak to CS:S
make it so its not invincible..
why the hell did they remove it anyway.

There was a thread actually on a community forum asking whether it should stay or go. Guess what the community picked. ;)

[_Z_Ryuken]

There was a thread actually on a community forum asking whether it should stay or go. Guess what the community picked. ;)
How many people voted?

[colson]

What they should really do is make grenades more powerful so that they are actually useful. They are ridiculously underpowered and only ever scratch the enemy unless he's allready been shot up a bunch. They need to boost up the power of them to make them alot more useful. It would be nice to chuck a grenade and blow up an awper or two instead of just scratching them. Afterall I'm throwing a grenade not a freaking fire cracker.

[Atomic_Piggy]

they should put the damn tactical shield bak to CS:S
make it so its not invincible..
why the hell did they remove it anyway.

I know...it was the "weapon" I was best with...

[dogboy73]

I find the new radar very distracting. Hopefully that will pass ...... except it's so ****ing big maybe it won't?! I've mostly died from trying to watch the radar instead of what im doing since the update! Be interesting to see if & how it alters gameplay once people are used to it. But does anyone here really feel it will improve gameplay? Im' not convinced of that at all at the mo. It obviously looks more sophisticated than the old radar but at the moment that's all I have to say about!

[Ridge]

Valve has already noobed up the game so bad its barely exceptable

You DO realize that Counter Strike is the original Noob game, right??

[Asus]

I think it made the game easier but I'm not sure if that improved gameplay or not. Assuming someone just recently spotted the enemy... If I'm on the rushing side I can peak around the corner for just long enough to head shot the snipers down the hall since I know which side of the hall they stand on. On D it is harder because you get rushed when you are not prepared for it since they know where you are. So you have to stay back far enough so that even if you get spotted, your dot is off the radar.

I think pubbers will distance themselves even more from the good players on the scoreboard now. If defense starts playing back and offensive starts pushing harder, I bet the n00bs on both sides would start playing a lot worse. Unless they can coast unharmed with the good players.

[bigburpco]

What they should really do is make grenades more powerful so that they are actually useful. They are ridiculously underpowered and only ever scratch the enemy unless he's allready been shot up a bunch. They need to boost up the power of them to make them alot more useful. It would be nice to chuck a grenade and blow up an awper or two instead of just scratching them. Afterall I'm throwing a grenade not a freaking fire cracker.

In 1.6 grenades hardly dealt enough damage to kill, even when it lands next to you. In Source, you get killed if it lands close to you. So it's been improved.

[sinkoman]

Don't pull the "You're all ungrateful bastards" card just because some people don't like the new update. It's not like they gave us some side bonus which doesn't really affect the game, the game has been almost completely changed now and we can't go back...what are you expecting us to say? "Thanks valve!" ? There's a difference between being an "ungrateful shit" and being pissed at valve for changing the entire gameplay of CSS.

And yes, I have played CSS with the new update and the new radar does suck ass. I'm not an "ungrateful little shit" because I hate the new radar. Get over your damn fanboyism for 2 seconds and start learning to accept others opinions..

Jesus christ.

It's a fuggin radar change, it BARELY CHANGES THE GAME.

It's almost the exact same radar, except now when somebody goes down, it points out the obvious (must be somebody thar), and it's COLORED!

I really hated it at first, but then I changed it so it didn't turn when I turned, and I eventually got used to it.

[PimpinPenguin]

i like it i never used to use the rader before but now it's actully usefull

[-Psy-]

In 1.6 grenades hardly dealt enough damage to kill, even when it lands next to you. In Source, you get killed if it lands close to you. So it's been improved.

Odd. When I throw a grenade and it lands right beside them they don't die.

Extremely under-powered.

[The Brick]

Grenade damage is the same for 1.6 and css.

[bigburpco]

That's strange. I've never killed anybody with a grenade in 1.6 when it landed NEXT to the guy. Seen plenty on Source, though.

[destrukt]

Well, I just played it for a few hours with my new pc..

First, my PC rapes CS:S, I get around 160FPS max on most maps and that's at 1280x1024 with highest everything.

It doesn't affect gameplay a whole lot and it's fun seeing 5 crosses in one area, but I still dislike how it shows where they are. It's not a major impact though and it has helped me before, but I still prefer either listening for footsteps and so on, or just the good ole 'suprise' of running into an enemy.

Also, I never really noticed the shadows before, they can be useful.

- I still don't approve of it after extensive gameplay. :P

[Asus]

- I still don't approve of it after extensive gameplay. :PI agree! But I will still play it. :sniper:
*kills all the n00bs
n00b - "you hack!"
me - "i do, it's called radar update and I got it from valve. lol n00bs"

[Rippedsteel]

In CS kevlar reduces grenade damage significantly, in CS:S it doesn't...

If you could kill someone on 100hp with grenade it would be so much worse than the awps so many people whinge about, at least for an awper to kill you in one shot s/he has to see you...

[_Z_Ryuken]

Problem with nades is their splash damage is terribly unrealistic. I've thrown nades that land 5 feet from a guy and do no damage, and I've had them thrown at me and injur me from around a corner.
They need a larger damage radius with no penetration.
If it can't take out a door, there is no sense in the damage going through it.

[Solaris]

Its a stupid game.
N00bs play source. Pr0s play 6.

[_Z_Ryuken]

I remember when 1.6 or whatever was at the height of it's popularity, I was ridiculing those CS nerds and wondering what the hell is so great about it.

Man those guys are still nerds. :laugh:
--
(Oh, I think I should mention this for giggles. A few days before graduation in our A+ course (yeah we had that in HS) we brought in two Xboxs and linked up Halo ftp.)

Yeah, that was a tangent.

[destrukt]

I agree! But I will still play it. :sniper:
*kills all the n00bs
n00b - "you hack!"
me - "i do, it's called radar update and I got it from valve. lol n00bs"
The first server I joined I had like 20-2 and this person joins the server and straight away (He was 0-1) he says "zomg squirly nerd hacks."

I love Source. :/

I love the updated graphics, being able to copy/paste text in chat and other small improvements - I want 1.6 to get updated. :(

[blackflag486]

well, All i can say, is that everytime there has been a cs update, I hate it at first, even for the first couple weeks. Then I somehow adapt to it and start owning again. Well I havnt been able to see it, due to the fact, im out of state for 2 years. I'll be back in 5 months. Hopefully the game is still going so I can enjoy a few more years of it. Ive been playing CS or on STEAM sense steam came out in 01 I think it was. This radar thing sounds gay, But I dont know much about it, cause I havnt been able to play. If someone could send me a SS of this to my email, that would be great. I don't know if im alowed to put it up here, oh well. Thanks..

blackflag486@hotmail.com

[Solaris]

They are destroying the game by making it less competitive and more n00b freindly.

[-Psy-]

How is it less competitive?

You still have to kill the opposite team :S

[TheMastahC]

I guess making the game better = making it noob friendly. If that's the case, I hope they noob it up.

[Payam0]

Hi Can Some one Please conver my GIF into a VTF I have it in TGP Please then email it to me at payamaster@hotmail.com;)

[DevgruSeal]

Off-topic post, pointless, spam, reported...Dude you've made your own freakin' thread already.

As for it being less competitive, you can scan through smokes and see the enemy. So much for smoke screens.

[dekstar]

My computer died so I haven't played with it using my mouse and keyboard (inbuilt aimbot tbh). When it's redownloaded I'll give you the official verdict, which goes above all else.

[TheMastahC]

As for it being less competitive, you can scan through smokes and see the enemy. So much for smoke screens.

Not any more.

[Payam0]

True

[Asus]

I use smoke nades a lot. Yay!
*kills more n00bs

[bigburpco]

Hi Can Some one Please conver my GIF into a VTF I have it in TGP Please then email it to me at payamaster@hotmail.com;)

BANBANBAN

Sorry, I'm in a good mood.

[-Psy-]

It's not noob-friendly imo.

You still have to look at the enemy to get them to come up on the radar and by the time said noob catches sight of the enemy he will be dead.

[Warbie]

I like the new radar.

[Seth064]

The only benifit I can see from the radar when it comes to public games, is that it basically lets you know where some1 is without some1 telling you. So for instance, if some1 spots some1 lower B in dust2, and your Upper.... then atleast you have a chance to kill him. This is not differnt than when playing competivily and your team mate seeing some1 lower B and telling you in the Comms.... this helps communication in public games 'without anyone having to shout down the mics'

[lloydporn]

finally it changes the game from sad knobs who have racked up 600 hours in there bed room owning the server, to everybody can join in, think halo2 on xbox live. cool i might play more

[DevgruSeal]

finally it changes the game from sad knobs who have racked up 600 hours in there bed room owning the server, to everybody can join in, think halo2 on xbox live. cool i might play more

How are those two any different?

[Asus]

The only benifit I can see from the radar when it comes to public games, is that it basically lets you know where some1 is without some1 telling you. So for instance, if some1 spots some1 lower B in dust2, and your Upper.... then atleast you have a chance to kill him. This is not differnt than when playing competivily and your team mate seeing some1 lower B and telling you in the Comms.... this helps communication in public games 'without anyone having to shout down the mics'

Very true but what about all those times they don't use voice on pubs? (except to be annoying)
Or if someone is only partially seen around a corner and the one who put him on the radar didn't even see him with his own eyes and keeps going. But now his teammates now exactly where he is and you see him on the radar. Or if a guy is camouflaged with the wall or in the dark.

*kills more n00bs
They made it way too easy. IMO

[Drackard]

Yah, i'm a 1.6 player myself but play Source pubby for a bit of fun now and then, have to say it annoyed me at first on how easy they've made it, kinda defeats the object of having sound to find out where someone is, also it stands out a bit too much for me lol, either way i ain't gonna complain, as a lot of people have said, should be thankful that they even update their games.

[dekstar]

I don't really care about it. I used to use the radar anyway and it was good enough, and I played it today (after a week-long absense and non-usual mouse sensitivity) and VALVe haven't noobified it because I still died about as much as I did before the update with my perfected settings.
The radar will only make a difference to those new to the game (to help them get into it). Everyone who's a good player shouldn't be affected at all.

[_Z_Ryuken]

About to play some CSS and it's updating again, and it says here:
>>Fixed an issue with cl_minmodels swapping CT and T skins.
Good for me.
>> Enemies can no longer be "radar spotted" through smoke clouds or while blind.
Good for everyone.
>> Your "self dot" in the radar now shows your view cone.
Good for me.

There is some other things but as of right now I am pretty happy with the new updates.

[Bull Goose Loony]

its annoying when you shoot one enemy, they look at you, and then another one pops out and kills you in a split second, and you know that you just got owned by the radar, but on the other hand, its so funny when you do it to someone else, its like a free kill. I still think it was a poor addition to the game. the voice commands were so much more fun to use, and now they're mostly obsolete.

[destrukt]

finally it changes the game from sad knobs who have racked up 600 hours in there bed room owning the server, to everybody can join in, think halo2 on xbox live. cool i might play more
you remind me of those losers who accuse anyone who can get a positive score.

also, irony > you.

[-Psy-]

its annoying when you shoot one enemy, they look at you, and then another one pops out and kills you in a split second, and you know that you just got owned by the radar, but on the other hand, its so funny when you do it to someone else, its like a free kill. I still think it was a poor addition to the game. the voice commands were so much more fun to use, and now they're mostly obsolete.

They always were obsolete.

Never used on Pub servers and Teamspeak > Radio Commands

[Asus]

I still use radio commands. D:

[Drackard]

I use them ... but on ts2 ;P

[Atomic_Piggy]

Only bots ever respond to my radio ;(

[_Z_Ryuken]

Only bots ever respond to my radio ;(

Only command I ever use is "need backup" and I can usually get an "affirmative" out of it.
If not I just take it as a negative.

To me radio commands are pretty reliable. If you can memorize the keys to initiate the one you want it's faster than holding K for as long as you need to talk.
Either methods dependability depends on the situation at hand, ofcourse.

[The Brick]

Or you can just rebind the voice key to v or something... :dozey:

[_Z_Ryuken]

Or you can just rebind the voice key to v or something... :dozey:

My thumb isn't long enough to press V and let me use WASD at the same time.

WHat say you, Mr. Longthumbs?

--

Actually I never use the mic, so...

I claim exemption.

[The Brick]

Use your index finger? And how would you use k if you can't reach v...

[_Z_Ryuken]

I use my index finger for D movement.

I already said I don't use the mic, so therefore I don't use k.

It might be easy for you to change your fingers around like that but once I have a set system for keys it's difficult for me to change it and I lack the dexterity to practice.

If I were to use the mic I'd probably set it to spacebar.

[Geogaddi]

1. Get a mouse with a button on a side and use that for voice.

2. If you want realism, play Operation Flashpoint : Resistance, not CS.

[_Z_Ryuken]

1. Get a mouse with a button on a side and use that for voice.

This is good advice for anyone. My Intellimouse has two web browser buttons that I use for nade and rifle switch so I can quickly choose either without compromising movement.

[Fliko]

So you could do better? The CS:S cummunity has been calling for updates for ages. Whenever VALVe do (and I'm not just talking about this time) the cummunity bitches and moans.

The World of Warcraft effect

[0mar]

its annoying when you shoot one enemy, they look at you, and then another one pops out and kills you in a split second, and you know that you just got owned by the radar, but on the other hand, its so funny when you do it to someone else, its like a free kill. I still think it was a poor addition to the game. the voice commands were so much more fun to use, and now they're mostly obsolete.

That's called baiting, and it's been happening ever since someone found out you can get a free kill way back in CS 1.0 or beta 5. The new radar doesn't help really in that. You can bait faster and better without staring at the radar. Just use sound.

Baiting is a very low tactic though :P

[Drackard]

Your sig is over the limit and it may be a low tactic but can be used to win many rounds ;)

[bigburpco]

Am I like the only person who likes the new radar?

[diluted]

Am I like the only person who likes the new radar?

No, I think it's great.

[XIII]

me too

[KoreBolteR]

i like it :D:D:D:D:D

[TheMastahC]

It is nice.

[-Psy-]

Caused me to commit some WTF HAXOR moments. :)

[dekstar]

Caused me to commit some WTF HAXOR moments. :)
yeah wtf I got banned for owning someone through doors and boxes 'cos I saw him on radar, then he bitches to the admin and they ban me :\.
Lamers.

[Atomic_Piggy]

The World of Warcraft effect

Off-topic: The thing is Blizz listens to their cummunity and do something then the cummunity goes "OMG U SUCK" instead of offering a better way of doing it. Thats why I never go on the general forums, because there is rarely any positive feedback. As you said, the WoW effect.
Ontopic: Its the same situation here, as you said.

[Llama]

Are you f ucking kidding me??? This is the worst update that I can remember. It's so stupid and so unnessicary.

Opinion


Valve has already noobed up the game so bad its barely exceptable i.e the stupid names of the rooms and the power of the guns and etc.

1.) Room names dont change gameplay, so that's BS.
2.) Incase you didnt know, all the guns are capable of killing people easily. It's called REALISTIC DAMAGE.



Plus the stupid radar is huge! It takes up like a quarter of the screen.

Over dramatising it.


Also it takes away from the teamplay of the game and makes it like we got some ailean sixth sense. Why does valve always try to fix things that aren't broken? Did they really need to noob up episode 2? Did they need to invent some stupid new radar?


For a start, it helps get rid of campers. For another, its your opinion. Oh, and, how the hell would you know about EP 2?


No. I understand the intention but really why add in something like this when the game is set up almost perfectly? If they added the sight thing on the old radar it wouldn't be so bad but really isn't that what teammates are for?

Again, opinion. I for one dont mind the update. Bite me.

[destrukt]

I love it when people point out what other's say is their opinion, it basically makes me laugh at them non-stop for 5 or so minutes.

[Asus]

If a game's success depends on opinion (do I like the game or not?) then I would say opinions matter. 1 opinion does not set the tone but many can.

[Llama]

I love it when people point out what other's say is their opinion, it basically makes me laugh at them non-stop for 5 or so minutes.

Thank you ladies and gentlemen, ill be here (albeit unwittingly) all week :smoking:

[-Psy-]

Valve has already noobed up the game so bad its barely exceptable i.e the stupid names of the rooms and the power of the guns and etc.

ROFL. That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

[Atomic_Piggy]

ROFL. That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

I compltetly disagree. If Valve are gonna make stupid names, I'm gonna uninstall all their games, period! We deserve good names!:flame:

[dekstar]

I compltetly disagree. If Valve are gonna make stupid names, I'm gonna uninstall all their games, period! We deserve good names!:flame:
Then do it. If you're bitching about names, I wonder how much you'll bitch when someone kills you more than 3 times in a row :|

[The Brick]

Yeah don't even come close to us, atomic.


PS I did get the sarcasm in your post.

[dekstar]

Yeah don't even come close to us, atomic.


PS I did get the sarcasm in your post.
Shush you, I'm tired alright.
You kept me up all night with the sechs.

[Mystik]

It's the coolest radar i've ever seen in a FPS! IT's PERFECT.

[Atomic_Piggy]

Then do it. If you're bitching about names, I wonder how much you'll bitch when someone kills you more than 3 times in a row :|

Dude, I was kidding. Jesus H. Christ why would I uninstall all my Valve games, I even argued before that the names arn't stupid. FFS calm down.

It's the coolest radar i've ever seen in a FPS! IT's PERFECT.

QFMFTAE!

[dekstar]

Dude, I was kidding. Jesus H. Christ why would I uninstall all my Valve games, I even argued before that the names arn't stupid. FFS calm down.

Again I was tired when I read it and didn't detect the sarcasm. Besides, that's just a little thing I'd say if you were serious. Just to deter anyone else from saying something like that seriously.