Metal Gear Discussion Thread

[Dog--]

I figured since Resident Evil had a thread, Metal Gear should have one, too.

*There might be possible spoilers*

I have only played Metal Gear Solid, and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, I never even knew about #2.. I wasn't really big into Metal Gear, because when I went to rent what I thought was Metal Gear Solid 2, it turned out to be that shitty VR Missions game for the PS1, and that kind of turned me off metal gear..

I don't remember much about Metal Gear Solid because I owned it when I was younger, and then it got stolen, so I don't remember it too well, I remember the nikita (sp?) gun, wher you can control the rocket, and I remember the gas boss, and the sniper boss, I don't really remember the story, I was young so I used gameshark for almost every game I played, and for Metal Gear my favorite thing was just walking around in boxes, that was great, and the neck-snapping sound was sooo good in Metal Gear, Metal Gear Solid 3 should have the neck-snap sound from the first 1..

Metal Gear Solid 3 just blew me away when I played it, it's basicly everything I've wanted in a game, it's so F***ing sweet, I've beat it, but not very succesfully, I beat it on normal with like 500 alerts.. right now I'm working on it again with no alerts, and no kills (exceptions of bosses), I'm at the spot just before The Fear, and I havn't raised 1 alarm or killed 1 person (The Sorrow is going to be easy, eh?). I've also killed The End without even facing him, when he is in the wheelchair at the warehouse I just sniped him with the sniper rifle, and 1 shot to the head, and he blows up. You can get the sniper rifle in that Ponizovje swamp, before you get to the cutscene with him, there is a little rut on the left side of the mini valley where you can get it, you've got to deal with 3 guards, though..

So... discuss.

[dekstar]

I used to own at MGS1, but recently when I downloaded it for PC, I sucked and got owned :(.

[Dog--]

I used to own Metal Gear Solid 1 (Real version, not stolen, or burned) for the PS1, but my PS1 got stolen, as did my Metal Gear :(

[Garfield_]

I used to own Metal Gear Solid 1 (Real version, not stolen, or burned) for the PS1, but my PS1 got stolen, as did my Metal Gear :(

Either you steal and rip or get ripped and robbed ;>

[AmishSlayer]

I own all the MGS1,2 & 3 on PS2. I really want to play MGS4 but no way I'm going to buy a PS3 at such a high price. Hopefully a friend will get one.

[dekstar]

AFAIK MGS1 is now legally downloadable as abandonware. At least I managed to get it from an http from a respectable site.

[B-MAn]

I first played MGS1 way back on the playstation a few weeks after release. I was given it as a gift, I remember looking at the front cover and thinking wtf another lame game from my grandparents.....but boy was i wrong :) I now LOVE the metal gear series. The story, the graphics (at the time) and the boss battles were all amazing. Psycho Mantis is still one of my fav gaming experiences (remember to plug in the controller into port 2 to avoid mind reading :D)

Then I bought MGS1 again when it came out on PC mainly because you got metal gear integral (was that what it was called?? :S) with it and that we could move in first person view. The first person view was lame no free aiming or anything and integral was just a bunch of semi-challenging VR missions BUT mystery mode owned and there were 3 VR missions you could play as ninja!

Overall i still think MGS1 was the best metal gear of them all (i count 6)

Metal Gear on Nes
Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake also on NES i think
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2: SoL
Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater
and that one on gameboy...Metal Gear Solid Ghost Babel?

Theres also the Metal Gear Ac!d series but i don't consider them to be true parts of the series along with the addons such as Substance since they contained the orginal games aswell.

[DeusExMachina]

One of the greatest videogame franchises ever in my opinion.

[Bull Goose Loony]

I need scissors!!61!!!

[Loke]

Whenever Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence hits Europe (September last I heard) I'm going to get it, mostly for the multiplayer. Despite it being the usual run & gun I found it extremely fun especially the "Capture Mission" mode were you have two teams set out to capture a green frog. :laugh: Typical Hideo.

[Dog--]

There is a Metal Gear with Snake in it being made for the PSP, I forget where I read it (Probably alot of places) but it's going to be like MGS3, with camo and what not, and you can recruit team members like EVA and OCELOT to help you, and be on your team, it looks really wicked.

[Slacker]

MGS3 is my favorite game of all time, hands down.

I play Subsistince online once in awhile to, or at least I DID until my friend stole Disc 2 :(

[B-MAn]

There is a Metal Gear with Snake in it being made for the PSP, I forget where I read it (Probably alot of places) but it's going to be like MGS3, with camo and what not, and you can recruit team members like EVA and OCELOT to help you, and be on your team, it looks really wicked.

Metal Gear Portable Ops

[JNightshade]

My friend had been bugging me forever to try them, so I borrowed Twin Snakes from him. I didn't get anywhere. About a year later, I saw a used copy of MGS2 on sale for 6 bucks, and picked it up on a whim. I ordered MGS1 and MGS3: Subsistence soon afterward. They're all great games, but MGS3 is really leaps and bounds ahead of the other two. Plus, it has the greatest corny theme song EVER :D

[Slacker]

I hated MGS2 :\

[esplin]

The ending to Metal Gear Solid 2 proves that Hideo Kojima takes drugs.

[Slacker]

All of the Metal Gear games are really weird in their own way. Ever seen the MGS3 Secret Theater? Whoo.

[AiM]

My friend had been bugging me forever to try them, so I borrowed Twin Snakes from him. I didn't get anywhere. About a year later, I saw a used copy of MGS2 on sale for 6 bucks, and picked it up on a whim. I ordered MGS1 and MGS3: Subsistence soon afterward. They're all great games, but MGS3 is really leaps and bounds ahead of the other two. Plus, it has the greatest corny theme song EVER :D

Sometimes... you feel will feed ... ON A TREE FROG!

MGS2 had the best gameplay out of all 3, yet MGS3 had the best segment of plot. I would shit my pants if Hideo would re-make the old Metal Gears, I would love to continue where MGS3 left off.

[JNightshade]

Hmm. See, I actually liked MGS3's gameplay far more than the other 2. It just felt so much more intuitive and cool.

EDIT: also, you can roll up stairs.

[AiM]

Hmm. See, I actually liked MGS3's gameplay far more than the other 2. It just felt so much more intuitive and cool.

EDIT: also, you can roll up stairs.

!!!

I see the light now... :angel:

[Geogaddi]

the EAR PULL

[Slacker]

Hmm. See, I actually liked MGS3's gameplay far more than the other 2. It just felt so much more intuitive and cool.

EDIT: also, you can roll up stairs.

Yeah, I would do that and wonder "WHY AM I NOT FALLING?!"

MGS3 definetly has better gameplay than the first two. It's slower-paced, but I liked that. Every single boss fight was ****ing incredible.

[JNightshade]

Absolutely. And it has great replay value, as well. Replaying it, catching the Tsuchinko alive, and beating every boss with the Tranq gun was an absolute BLAST :D

[_Z_Ryuken]

I have Twin Snakes for GC. Awesome game. First time I ever played any of the Metal Gears, and still the only one I've played.

[Slacker]

Twin Snakes was the first MGS experience I had too, other than the GBC version :D.

Get Snake Eater, or even better, Susbsistince. Don't bother suffering through Sons of Liberty, people tell you it adds more to MGS3's story, but that's not true at all.

[Gargantou]

I would love to continue where MGS3 left off.This is being done on the PSP, it's called Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, it leads to the founding of FOXHOUND, Kojima has stated that it might become a series of its own on the PSP leading up to the first Metal Gear games.:)

[Samon]

Very good games, love the series. Great gameplay and interesting stories, marred by the fact that Kojima is not a good writer.

[DeusExMachina]

MGS2 probably had the best and deepest plot than all the MGS games. MGS3 comes in a close 2nd.

Twin Snakes, surprisingly, isn't better than the original MGS on PS1. They add a bunch of unnecessary slow motion and Matrix moves into it and just make it to the borderline of ridiculous. Granted the graphics are far better and gameplay is better, but some of the cut-scenes almost ruin the experience.

[VictimOfScience]

The Psycho Mantis fight still goes down in my book as one of the coolest boss fights in the history of videogaming.

Love the series. Am totally excited for 4, but will have to wait for a PS3 price slash before partaking.

[Bad^Hat]

Never owned MGS but played through it on my friend's Playstation awhile back.
He was really good at the shooting parts, but had trouble with the sneaking, whereas I was vice versa, so it kind of worked at :D

Awesome series... my one criticism though - they need do something about the damn camera angle :P

[AmishSlayer]

Awesome series... my one criticism though - they need do something about the damn camera angle :P

They finally implemented an over-the-shoulder cam in MGS3:Subsistence.

[Loke]

They finally implemented an over-the-shoulder cam in MGS3:Subsistence.

And it works excellent, especially in multiplayer.

[Slacker]

I loved the over-the-shoulder stuff, but good god they ****ed up the camera control for it, that's what I really hated about multiplayer.

[Slacker]

MGS2 probably had the best and deepest plot than all the MGS games. MGS3 comes in a close 2nd.

That was the problem, the plot was TOO deep. I can understand just about any David Lynch movie fine, but MGS2 left me totally scratching my head. There's a big difference between deep plots that are interesting, and deep plots that are just pretentiious, and MGS2 was the latter.

[Samon]

I think the plot would have worked better if Kojima could write, but he just isn't that good and the plot suffers alot because of that. I don't think he has a clue how to approach dialogue.

[Slacker]

I think the plot would have worked better if Kojima could write, but he just isn't that good and the plot suffers alot because of that. I don't think he has a clue how to approach dialogue.

Agreed, although I didn't think he was bad with MGS3.

[esplin]

That was the problem, the plot was TOO deep. I can understand just about any David Lynch movie fine, but MGS2 left me totally scratching my head. There's a big difference between deep plots that are interesting, and deep plots that are just pretentiious, and MGS2 was the latter.

I have to agree with that. Does anyone remeber the final codec message from The Patriots. I actually listened to the whole thing and I really hated MGS 2 after that.

I do have a question though. In Metal Gear Solid 2 Snake finds the names of several Patriot members, but they are almost a hundred years old. Yet in Metal Gear Solid 3 it is stated that the Patriots were formed in the 70's (or around there, I can't remember.) Can anyone explain this?

[Samon]

Agreed, although I didn't think he was bad with MGS3.


I'm not sure. The plot was ok, for the most part, but he still cannot write actual dialogue. None of it sounds human. Or good for that matter. They just blabber pointlessly.

[DeusExMachina]

I don't think it's really his fault, I think its faulty translations.

I myself have no problem with his dialogue. MGS2 is confusing, but like any David Lynch film, if you play the game enough times, it begins to make sense.

The Patriots were not created in the '70s. The American Philosophers changed their name to the Patriots. The Patriots are likely an entity that doesn't physically exist, merely an idea that people continue enforce.

[Samon]

The translation errors stand out more. Like the 'spunk' line from Volgin. But the rest of it comes through fine, it's mainly Kojima's inability to actually write it. :p

[theotherguy]

the only MGS I played was one of the ones they released for the gamecube (dual snake or something? I dont know) I didn't like it very much at all, I didn't know what all the fuss was about. It seemed really dated and very unfun. Are all the games top-down like that?

Now that I have a PS2, I will be renting MGS3 soon.

[DeusExMachina]

The translation errors stand out more. Like the 'spunk' line from Volgin. But the rest of it comes through fine, it's mainly Kojima's inability to actually write it. :p

Hey I'll kill you :D

[Loke]

I loved the over-the-shoulder stuff, but good god they ****ed up the camera control for it, that's what I really hated about multiplayer.

The more you play, the better you get used to it. I had troubles with it too, but after a while it felt great.

[Gargantou]

I can't say I've ever had problem with the dialogues in the MGS games, but MGS2 required me to play it through a few times(I did it for the unlockables also) to get the story better..
Can't say I think the dialog is bad though.. Seen games with far far FAR worse atleast.:laugh:

[Slacker]

See, I don't WANT to play through MGS2 again. It's not that I hated Raiden, it's that I thought the gameplay in general was just really mediocore.

Also, do people still play MGO? Last time I got on (about a month ago) there were only a couple hundred online.

[Malfunction]

Played through the PS1 MGS countless times. Then PS1 faded away, GC came out and I heard Twin Snakes was being developed. I immediately bought it and played it through and I was really satisfied. At this time I didn't have a PS2 nor plans to buy one. So then Sons of Liberty came out, and boy was I sad that I couldn't play it. Then a few years later Snake Eater came out and that's about when I decided I wanted a PS2. After waiting a little while more I finally bought a PS2 and got both games immediately. I had nothing to do for three days so I completely blew through SoL during those three days. I loved the game and was reminded how much the MGS series rocks. Immediately following the conclusion of SoL I fired up Snake Eater, and I am still currently playing it slowly with spurts of Burnout, life, and a barrage of PC games.


Hideo Kojima is the cause of my wet dreams. kthx

[smwScott]

It's one of my favorite game series, and MGS2 is my favorite installment. The gameplay is by far the best in the series, although the plot has some problems. Still, it's much better than your standard video game fare.

The writing is in fact terrible in all the games, not only because of bad dialogue but because of the melodramatic and preachy speeches all the characters spout off. From the subtitles in the MGS4 trailer it looks like this has been somewhat remedied though.

[JNightshade]

Well, no shit. I must mention again the drinking game I thought up- taking a shot every time snake repeats something in the form of a question. You'll be hammered in minutes :D

[DeusExMachina]

It's Kojima's tribute to post-modernism :D

[Gargantou]

I do admit it's very melodramatic and preachy but I don't find that to make it terrible but to each man his own I guess.:p
I quite enjoy it because I think some of the things they say althoguh dramatic and preachy are interesting.

[DeusExMachina]

Some of the things they say are right as well.

[smwScott]

Fair enough, but a good writer could convey those things through subtext in believable dialogue. With MGS games it's more like the storyline pauses every once in awhile for one of the characters to deliver a five minute PSA on the horrors of nuclear war.

I don't mean to rag on the games, it is my favorite series. I'm just saying this is by far its biggest flaw.

[Uriel]

I killed Solid Snake. Ate his liver with a spork.

[Loc-Dog]

I figured since Resident Evil had a thread, Metal Gear should have one, too.

*There might be possible spoilers*

I have only played Metal Gear Solid, and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, I never even knew about #2.. I wasn't really big into Metal Gear, because when I went to rent what I thought was Metal Gear Solid 2, it turned out to be that shitty VR Missions game for the PS1, and that kind of turned me off metal gear..

I don't remember much about Metal Gear Solid because I owned it when I was younger, and then it got stolen, so I don't remember it too well, I remember the nikita (sp?) gun, wher you can control the rocket, and I remember the gas boss, and the sniper boss, I don't really remember the story, I was young so I used gameshark for almost every game I played, and for Metal Gear my favorite thing was just walking around in boxes, that was great, and the neck-snapping sound was sooo good in Metal Gear, Metal Gear Solid 3 should have the neck-snap sound from the first 1..

Metal Gear Solid 3 just blew me away when I played it, it's basicly everything I've wanted in a game, it's so F***ing sweet, I've beat it, but not very succesfully, I beat it on normal with like 500 alerts.. right now I'm working on it again with no alerts, and no kills (exceptions of bosses), I'm at the spot just before The Fear, and I havn't raised 1 alarm or killed 1 person (The Sorrow is going to be easy, eh?). I've also killed The End without even facing him, when he is in the wheelchair at the warehouse I just sniped him with the sniper rifle, and 1 shot to the head, and he blows up. You can get the sniper rifle in that Ponizovje swamp, before you get to the cutscene with him, there is a little rut on the left side of the mini valley where you can get it, you've got to deal with 3 guards, though..

So... discuss.

You killed killed The End before Sokrevenno forest? I'm sorry to tell you, but you've just ****ed yourself. You just doubled the difficulty of that area. Istead of facing The End in the forest, you now have to deal with a bunch of those Black Ocelot guys or whatever they're called.

They're tough to get past. They have snipers of their own, and machineguns. But they're much more fun than The End, so it's worth the extra effort.

[Gargantou]

I didn't have that much trouble getting past'em my first time through tbh, I just RLH(Run Like Hell)'ed my way through.:)

[AmishSlayer]

You killed killed The End before Sokrevenno forest? I'm sorry to tell you, but you've just ****ed yourself. You just doubled the difficulty of that area. Istead of facing The End in the forest, you now have to deal with a bunch of those Black Ocelot guys or whatever they're called.

They're tough to get past. They have snipers of their own, and machineguns. But they're much more fun than The End, so it's worth the extra effort.

There's actually another way to beat him.

Start the fight with The End. Restart PS2, change system clock forward about a week. Load your game. Get codec message saying The End died of old age :P

Or something like that.

[Slacker]

The End is definetly one of the most satisfying fights in the game, albeit that it's somewhat teidious. I ended up killing him by sneaking up behind him and blasting him right in the head with a shotgun.

[DeusExMachina]

Whenever I replay the game, I just do the reset PS2 clock. I don't feel like looking for him for 40 minutes.

[Samon]

I just find it cringeworthy to sit through some of the cack Kojima gives us. :p

[Dog--]

I'd say it much more fun to face a whole bunch of guys rather than that son of a bitch. I hate The End with a passion.

[AiM]

This is being done on the PSP, it's called Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, it leads to the founding of FOXHOUND, Kojima has stated that it might become a series of its own on the PSP leading up to the first Metal Gear games.:)


!!

I didn't know that, f**k yeah! :D

[Samon]

Are the PSP games any good? Might pick em' up..

[Slacker]

Are the PSP games any good? Might pick em' up..

No. MGA was slow, boring, had an awful story, and was frustrating. To me, MGA is to the Metal Gear series as the CD-I Zelda games were to the Zelda series. No exaggerations.

[esplin]

You have to REALLY like strategy games to enjoy Metal Gear Acid.

I do have a question, however. In MGS 2 Snake finds a list containing the name of Patriot members from 100 years ago, but according to MGS 3 the Patriots were formed in the 1970's.

Is this just a plothole or did I miss something.

[DeusExMachina]

1. The American branch of the Philosophers changed their name to the Patriots in the '70s.

2. The Patriots/Philosophers are an unknown entity. They likely do not exist physically, merely people who follow their beliefs and interests.

[BigBoss7556]

You have to REALLY like strategy games to enjoy Metal Gear Acid.

I do have a question, however. In MGS 2 Snake finds a list containing the name of Patriot members from 100 years ago, but according to MGS 3 the Patriots were formed in the 1970's.

Is this just a plothole or did I miss something.

I think that list showed the American Branch of Philosophers(who's children later formed the Patriots).