Fred Durst = idiot

[Zeus]

worst guitar solo ever performed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIUnvAFbsK0&search=durst%20idiot

[Ennui]

oh god I'm seriously laughing out loud, that's the funniest thing i've ever seen... that was horrid.

/turns back on tv on the radio

[Hectic Glenn]

haha, it's almost as he's trying things on stage 'i wonder what will happen if i do this' kind of thing. Embarrassing.

[Zeus]

And while we're at it, here's a video of trent reznor calling fred durst a moron. Lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHJzeS08Vw

[Laivasse]

Durst is pond scum but the only moron in that particular vid is Reznor.

(:laugh:@the 'solo')

[Ennui]

Durst is pond scum but the only moron in that particular vid is Reznor.
:frown: explain yourself, heretic!

[Laivasse]

At the risk of being buried under an avalanche of NIN-fan wrath, it's my opinion that any musician who whines about fans 'stealing' their music needs a sharp smack in the mouth.

[Ennui]

He was asked his opinion and responded, though, its not like he went and pulled a Metallica.

[CptStern]

reznor is a genius ..Durst is an egotestical no talent has been who couldnt string a proper sentence together if he tried

[Lucid]

Fred Durst = idiot

No wai?! :O

You just realized this now? :|

[Zeus]

At the risk of being buried under an avalanche of NIN-fan wrath, it's my opinion that any musician who whines about fans 'stealing' their music needs a sharp smack in the mouth.


The interviewer asked him his opinion. He didn't speak out against it on his own


lol, I knew he was a moron before but this is just the icing on the cake. How could he take such an expensive beautiful guitar and make such horrible sounds out of it.

[Ennui]

reznor is a genius
one of the greatest things you've ever said

god it's pathetic how much i like nin

[DreamThrall]

good lord that was painful... i'm not sure what was worse... him moaning like a sick cow into the mic or the fact that he couldn't hold down the right frets on his "solo"

[DeusExMachina]

lmaonade.

[Gray Fox]

But why did he call Fred durst a moron to begin with, what is the explenation for that, does anyone have the video or a explenation from Trent Razor himself.

[gick]

That was pretty funny, but not as funny as his porn video.

[Gray Fox]

That was pretty funny, but not as funny as his porn video.
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OOh and I found out more about why Reznor hates Durst:
""I come out of this cocoon now into a climate where things have changed, and it hasn't in my opinion been for the better. Today, musicians are complimented much more on their business plan than their talent. When I see an idiot like Fred Durst [of Limp Bizkit] spouting off about, 'I'm in it for the money, buy my record, buy two copies of it, I'm going to be the best business man, I'm just doing this till I get into movies' -- [he should] sell dish-washing liquid or something. It's damaged music. I don't mean him personally, but this climate has created a very unhealthy situation to spawn new creative acts."
I do not understand one aspect in the light of the reznor interview though, if Durst is in it for the money, why doesn't he protest against napster and Kazaa, how come Reznor dislikes it more?
And yes I do now that Reznor is talking about changing your music just for cash and selling out in this way, but it still brings up the question. Whats the point if selling out of you support peopel who are going to download your music.

[Ennui]

Reznor dislikes Durst because he's into it for the money, for the business, and he cares too much about that and not enough about the music. Reznor is in it for the music, but he doesn't like people stealing his music either.

[Gray Fox]

Reznor dislikes Durst because he's into it for the money, for the business, and he cares too much about that and not enough about the music. Reznor is in it for the music, but he doesn't like people stealing his music either.
Yes but if durst is in it for the money why would he not care that people are pirating his music. Besides that why would reznor be against it, his music is not one that you can easly pickup, his is mostly benefited from the fact that the threshold for listening to his music is lower because people do not need to diss out 15,- for a cd they may not like, and thus will take more chances. The internet has probably drasticly increased his audiance and introduced his him to people who oitherwise would not have ever heard of him.

[Stigmata]

Yes but if durst is in it for the money why would he not care that people are pirating his music.And thus, Fred Durst is a moron.

[Gray Fox]

And thus, Fred Durst is a moron.
But if you apply those same standards to Reznor that wouldn't make him that smart either.

[Ennui]

But if you apply those same standards to Reznor that wouldn't make him that smart either.
By what justification? Trent's being pretty straightforward on it.

[Gray Fox]

By what justification? Trent's being pretty straightforward on it.
Well the sharing of music probably benefits him more then it hurts him, so isn't it stupid to be against it.

[Ennui]

Well the sharing of music probably benefits him more then it hurts him
how did you arrive at THAT conclusion?

[Gray Fox]

how did you arrive at THAT conclusion?
Like I said before. NIN isn't a band that is played a lot on radio or TV, NIN songs can take time to grow on you and take time to really appreciate. Because of the internet you can get the songs for free, hence are more likely to take chances listening something you normally wouldn't, or just because a friend mentioned it to you. A lot of those people will buy the CD if they like it or go to NIN concerts.

And Durst is either one of the biggest morons to grace music or not that much of a sell out:
Fred Durst of Limp Bizkit said, "the only people worried about [Napster] are really worried about their bank accounts," and has agreed to participate in a free nationwide concert tour to generate support and encouragement for Napster.

[Stigmata]

Like I said before. NIN isn't a band that is played a lot on radio or TV, NIN songs can take time to grow on you and take time to really appreciate. Because of the internet you can get the songs for free, hence are more likely to take chances listening something you normally wouldn't, or just because a friend mentioned it to you. A lot of those people will buy the CD if they like it or go to NIN concerts.Trent seems to have done reasonably well for himself without decent radio/TV play. He's basically infamous, and lots of people will snap up NIN albums on name only.

[Gray Fox]

Trent seems to have done reasonably well for himself without decent radio/TV play. He's basically infamous, and lots of people will snap up NIN albums on name only.
No disagreement from me on that, I mean NIN has a cult following. But still it seems like this helps him more then it hurts him, he will definatly survive without it, but this way a lot more people get to appreciate him, and buy his CD's.

[Stigmata]

No disagreement from me on that, I mean NIN has a cult following. But still it seems like this helps him more then it hurts him, he will definatly survive without it, but this way a lot more people get to appreciate him, and buy his CD's.Hmm. Point taken. But this argument is essentially moot, since Trent wasn't "speaking out" against music downloading, he was simply agreeing that downloading music = stealing. He's no Metallica.

[sea]

lol, I knew he was a moron before but this is just the icing on the cake. How could he take such an expensive beautiful guitar and make such horrible sounds out of it.Yeah, PRS should be ashamed to endorse him. He should just give that thing to me.

[DeusExMachina]

No disagreement from me on that, I mean NIN has a cult following.

Not really. I don't know a person who hasn't heard of NIN. They're not that obscure.

[Dr. Freeman]

Well the sharing of music probably benefits him more then it hurts him, so isn't it stupid to be against it.

well NiN and Trent are mainstream enough that people know who and what NiN is.
besides, Trent may be against the Napsters (and MTV's for that matter) of the world but he knows that every musician still needs to make a buck...and hopefully i don't need to explain to you about the massive amounts of music downloading that has gone on over the years.

Trent is respected for what hes done since 1989 to present and you know whats the ultimate respect and test? to hear his music from Pretty Hate Machine and The Downward Spiral be played on radio still.

anyway its a shame that Fred Durst's name is in the same thread as Trent's because frankly speaking, Fred couldn't hold Trent's dirty jock strap...nevermind making timeless albums.

[Ludah]

I don't see why Trent is even being discussed to the extent. He said so himself in the video that he doesn't want to sound like the rich guy wanting to get richer, but it is theft nonetheless. That's undeniable. Wether or not such theft actually hurts or somehow benefits the artists in question is another matter.

Personally, I picked up The Fragile knowing only one song done by NIN and I became a fan instantly. The song was actually "Closer", which wasn't even on the album, but I didn't care and I never regretted my purchase. I think he's the only artist I've picked up on name alone, aside from Squarepusher perhaps. As for everything else, I've often downloaded hefty chunks of their work before deciding if it appeals to me. Then I buy the album.

Any way, as for Durst, here's some other golden nuggets regarding Reznor. From the NIN/Reznor wiki's.

- Following the feud between Fred Durst of Limp Bizkit, in their 2000 song "Hot Dog" returned the lyrics of Closer, stating "You wanna **** me like an animal/You'd like to burn from the inside." Ironically, this attempt at "bashing" Trent Reznor only forced them to give him a co-writing credit on the song for the usage of his lyrics, and therefore earning him money from sales and airplay.

- Reznor was involved in a feud with the band Limp Bizkit (specifically their frontman Fred Durst) in the late 1990s, around the height of their popularity, calling Durst a 'moron' and saying in a 1999 interview in Rolling Stone magazine, "Let Fred Durst surf a piece of plywood up my ass."

[mortiz]

reznor is a genius ..

I wouldn't go that far..

Durst is a two bit idiot, the lowest order of all so-called "musicians".

The interview about Napster was in 2000, maybe he's changed his opinions on it since then. It's a tough one to call, because like has been said, I'm willing to bet people have bought Reznor's albums based on what they've downloaded, and all of the hardcore NIN fans would have just bought his album anyway. So I don't think piracy affects Reznor that much, in fact, it may even help him.

[Zeus]

I wouldn't go that far..

When Johnny Cash covers your song, you know you're the shit.

[Dr. Freeman]

When Johnny Cash covers your song, you know you're the shit.

haha
ain't that the truth!


The interview about Napster was in 2000, maybe he's changed his opinions on it since then. It's a tough one to call, because like has been said, I'm willing to bet people have bought Reznor's albums based on what they've downloaded, and all of the hardcore NIN fans would have just bought his album anyway. So I don't think piracy affects Reznor that much, in fact, it may even help him.

if you know anything about Trent, then you know that it doesn't bother him to the extent where he'd pull a Metallica.
he was asked his opinion on Napster and he gave it...doesn't mean hes gonna hunt down every leecher on the internet and sue his/her ass.

anyway yeah, IMHO, Trent Reznor is a musical genius :)

[Laivasse]

He said so himself in the video that he doesn't want to sound like the rich guy wanting to get richer, but it is theft nonetheless. That's undeniable. Wether or not such theft actually hurts or somehow benefits the artists in question is another matter.[/i]
I've been in enough debates about file-sharing to be thoroughly sick of them, but let's be clear here: it's copyright infringement, not theft. You may personally consider copyright infringement to be a form of theft, but since the issue of whether or not it constitutes an actual loss to the artist is a bit of a grey area - the BPI have enjoyed record album sales for the past few years after all - it is a bit of a stretch to say that anything has been 'stolen' from the original owner.

Whether it be profits or intellectual property or whatever, the term 'theft' implies the removal of something from someone. I just want people to be clear about their terms, because reducing it all to the black&white, emotive issue of theft vs. not theft is to inadvertently buy into the propaganda of the RIAA - and no, I'm not paranoid, they really do want to brainwash the world [and kill your family] (see the INDUCE act, the attempt to get a cut from 2nd hand CD sales by trying to redefine CD 'purchase' as 'loan', more).

I might have more sympathy (very unlikely though) if they were clearly losing money through it, but just taking financial loss as a given with no actual supporting proof doesn't cut it. These people are the true enemies of music and creativity, and personally I spit on any musician-cum-businessperson who colludes with them by opposing mp3-trading under the pretenses of 'it's theft', whether this be a public or private opinion. The strength of this conviction makes me feel drunk with power, baaaahahahaha. (http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/uploads/ultimatewarriorwk_010.jpg)

Sorry to keep bashing on Reznor, but I think it's clear Durst is not worth even talking about.

[Ludah]

No, no, I pretty much agree with everything you said.

[Laivasse]

No, no, I pretty much agree with everything you said.

All right, fair enough.

[CrazyHarij]

reznor seems like a cool guy but his fanbase has made me completely shun his music

[sea]

I just listened to some Nine Inch Nails for the first time and was not really impressed. It sounded like techno-rock-pop with spoken vocals everywhere. It was just... mediocre. I'm not sure where the genius is.

[Ennui]

I just listened to some Nine Inch Nails for the first time and was not really impressed. It sounded like techno-rock-pop with spoken vocals everywhere. It was just... mediocre. I'm not sure where the genius is.
it's an all-encompassing thing.

plus it's not for everyone.

[Stigmata]

I just listened to some Nine Inch Nails for the first time and was not really impressed. It sounded like techno-rock-pop with spoken vocals everywhere. It was just... mediocre. I'm not sure where the genius is.It really depends on which song you listened to, and your current tolerance for abrasive music. It's kind of an acquired taste. So if you're not really into the harder sounds, you should try listening to Right Where It Belongs, All The Love In The World, or Into The Void. Those are a lot softer, you might like them more.

And his genius only really becomes apparent when you've listened to a full album's worth of his music.

[sea]

It really depends on which song you listened to, and your current tolerance for abrasive music. It's kind of an acquired taste. So if you're not really into the harder sounds, you should try listening to Right Where It Belongs, All The Love In The World, or Into The Void. Those are a lot softer, you might like them more.

And his genius only really becomes apparent when you've listened to a full album's worth of his music.Abrasive? I can tell you that half of the music I listen to is far more abrasive than anything Nine Inch Nails seem to have put out.

I also listened to a good six or seven songs, which is nearly an album's worth of his music. However, if you want me to go for the extra couple of songs then I suppose I can do that.

[6Three]

Didn't he try to marry Halle Berry?

[Ludah]

Abrasive? I can tell you that half of the music I listen to is far more abrasive than anything Nine Inch Nails seem to have put out.

I also listened to a good six or seven songs, which is nearly an album's worth of his music. However, if you want me to go for the extra couple of songs then I suppose I can do that.

This depends on what you're listening to. Through out his career, he has only released about four full-length LPs, but they all sound drastically different. The textural and musical differences between, say, "The Downward Spiral" and "The Fragile" are numerous. And if you want to count the "Broken" EP as well (and you might as well because of its significance) or remix releases... well, there's an incredible diversity throughout his material. Also, the albums work much better as a whole, with some tracks not really achieving their full effect until they're sandwiched between something.

I won't bother making reccomendations because I have no way of gauging what you're looking for in his music. But it would probably be worthwhile to check out a few more tracks before striking him off your list.

Regardless, however, he is a very talented bastard.

[Blakeb155]

Why did the audience applaud? that was horrible

[venturon]

Maybe you had to be there.

lol.

[mortiz]

Steve Vai can only look on longing, Fred Durst is more successful AND a better guitarist.

[Qonfused]

They clapped for the LOL factor.

[VictimOfScience]

Wow. WTF was that? I thought this guy was dead? Maybe he should be because no one cares about him anymore--it might bring his popularity back (yeah right).

[sea]

Why did the audience applaud? that was horribleI heard more laughing than clapping at the end.

[Zeus]

It really depends on which song you listened to, and your current tolerance for abrasive music. It's kind of an acquired taste. So if you're not really into the harder sounds, you should try listening to Right Where It Belongs, All The Love In The World, or Into The Void. Those are a lot softer, you might like them more.

And his genius only really becomes apparent when you've listened to a full album's worth of his music.

Yea u need to listen to a whole album to really get into it.

[Kouler]

ROFL! That made my day! :D

[Direwolf]

I coin a new phrase.

'Durst-iot'
NOUN
A person possessing a level of idiocy comparable to that of Fred Durst.