New Trailer !!1 + 2 Screenshots

[DigiQ8]

Update : for people who having problems with the streaming version in CVG.com, i uploaded it to YouTube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oK3Q3frf2qU



http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=136861

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_311/vortal_pic_155653.jpg
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_311/vortal_pic_155654.jpg



EDIT :
DAMN THATS ***** AWESOME !!!!!111

[$kelet0r]

sexy pictures - great find digi

[DigiQ8]

btw
the first 10 seconds in the trailer is from the old one, the rest is new footage

[$kelet0r]

noticed
Alyx kicking zombie ass (literally :D) and Breen turning into some kind of Mecha-Breen were the highlights :thumbs:

[xirow]

Awesome :D

But please stop spoiling Episode 1 Valve :(

[nutcrackr]

wow they made a big deal about that trailer, it wasn't that good

[DEATH eVADER]

noticed
Alyx kicking zombie ass (literally :D) and Breen turning into some kind of Mecha-Breen were the highlights :thumbs:

It should of been a roundhouse kick, and it should of been Chuck to deliver it

[$kelet0r]

It should of been a roundhouse kick, and it should of been Chuck to deliver ittrue
sadly Chuck's beard was too intimidating for the combine et al so VALVe left him out to give them a fighting chance :borg:

[Sui]

I never knew so much awesome could be crammed into such a little trailer ;(

[xirow]

wow they made a big deal about that trailer, it wasn't that good

Yes, it was

[Przemek]

Any way to download this, my 512k connection isn't enough to stream this video :(

[drunkymonkey]

I can't wait for the game to come out.

[Ruubie]

OMFG that was AWESOME :D

[ríomhaire]

Any way to download this, my 512k connection isn't enough to stream this video :(
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/video/play.php?id=68&filename=hl2ep1pcvidtrailer1.wpm
That's a direct link the video but it only causes WMP to open, any way to download it instead?

[drunkymonkey]

It'll be up on other sites soon enough, I expect.

[Przemek]

It's on 3dgamers already, but the servers are overloaded and there's a long queue or a blazing transfer of ~3kB/s :P

[DigiQ8]

Im downloading it now
ill up it in Youtube or Yousendit.

[Rizzo]

It's great. I dont think they are spoiling it. They will probably save the best for when we play the game.

[ríomhaire]

Someone post a downloadable version for the love of Gabe!

[Rizzo]

Well it toke me a while to buff, why dont you wait a while?

[ríomhaire]

Well it toke me a while to buff, why dont you wait a while?
Things that buffer just seem to hate my internet, they always just stop at one point or other and I'm left with half a video. Then if I try to load them again they start loading from the beging.

[el Chi]

Yarr! 'tis royal.
Problem is - it looks utterly epic, but seeing as it's relatively short (6 hours or something?), I wonder whether it'll be completely crammed or be somewhat underwhelming (not giving the different sections the amount of time they deserve or whatever)
Still, I look forward to this deeply. Mmmmmm.

[DigiQ8]

uploaded it to Youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oK3Q3frf2qU

[ríomhaire]

uploaded it to Youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oK3Q3frf2qU
It's working, still on the shared intro, HURRY UP AND LOAD DAMN YOU!

[trineas]

Gamershell mirror: http://www.gamershell.com/download_13216.shtml (37 megabyte)

[Loke]

Gamershell (http://gamershell.com/download_13216.shtml)

Holy crap, that looked pretty amazing. That smoke looked very nice, almost like Call of Duty 2.

[ríomhaire]

Looks very nice. I don't know if mine the one I watched was reduced quality (DigiQ8's), I think it was. Can someone post a screen from the original of Breen's bubble?

[darktori]

This is god damn amazing! The video on gamershell is in very good quality, thanks very much for posting it!

May 31 seems so far away.. :)

[DeusExMachina]

DAMN. I'm more excitied about this then I was with HL2.

[prob101]

Excited yes, but as before dates have slipped and what is promised has been cut. be aware.

[Samon]

noticed
Alyx kicking zombie ass (literally :D) and Breen turning into some kind of Mecha-Breen were the highlights :thumbs:

He wasn't in the trailer.

AWESOME trailer though.

[DigiQ8]

another link if anyone instersted
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZCM3PEYAFOZ428W0OGNGI9TR7

[Kanehdian]

Holy freaking crap! That is an awesome trailer! The ride through the citadel, falling debris, all awesome. Valve was right, concentrating on episodic content to maximize awesomeness is a great idea.

[SFLUFAN]

Excited yes, but as before dates have slipped and what is promised has been cut. be aware.

What exactly that was promised in Episode One/Aftermath has been cut?

[rambler]

it's on gamershell for dd. anyway, it looks AMAZING! and to the guy that said it showed a 'mecha breen'.. uh.. where?

oh alyx vance,
i love to watch you prance,
while you kick a zombie in the head,
perhaps later we can share a bed?
we'll practice the zombie-sutra from A to Z
please alyx vance, won't you be my baby?

[ríomhaire]

it's on gamershell for dd. anyway, it looks AMAZING! and to the guy that said it showed a 'mecha breen'.. uh.. where?

oh alyx vance,
i love to watch you prance,
while you kick a zombie in the head,
perhaps later we can share a bed?
we'll practice the zombie-sutra from A to Z
please alyx vance, won't you be my baby?
OUTBREAK OUTBREAK!

I can't see what's in that effin' bubble. Does anyone have a shot of it?

[Remus]

i love to watch you prance,
while you kick a zombie in the head,
perhaps later we can share a bed?
we'll practice the zombie-sutra from A to Z
please alyx vance, won't you be my baby?

Aaa...... no coment :E .

[Samon]

What exactly that was promised in Episode One/Aftermath has been cut?

Nothing, I think he is referring to HL2. But yeah, because I cared about cut content :rolleyes:

OUTBREAK OUTBREAK!

I can't see what's in that effin' bubble. Does anyone have a shot of it?

No idea. I'm pretty sure its nothing but a big ball of energy? Though, its the Combines doing - we already know they are taking things into their own hands, and Alyx says "What the hell are they up to?"

EDIT: No, there is something in it.

[Greatgat]

Too cool. That line with Alyx where she's like "I hope to God they don't remember what they were..." about the Stalkers always sends chills through me. SUCH a good voice actor. The new stuff is awesome, but I wanted to see some Synths! *grumble*

Ah well. I so can't wait.

[Asuka]

Got mine here: http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=8636 Perfect quality!

and,...here it comes....omg im feeling it...........OMODASMD:MADJASDJASL:DJASLKDJALSDKJADLKSJAD:DJLKAJ!!$j"PO:AEJ:kdfksdvksf SADA ****JNGINS HIT !!!! GIVE MMEEEEEE NOOOOOOWOWOWOWO RRRAAAAAWRRRWWWWW! Ugh................I need to learn to control my internet forum type spasm.

[Snowden]

EDIT: No, there is something in it.

It's the hydra!

Well on a serious note, Valve really knows how much to reveal to make the waiting that little bit harder for us.

[Greatgat]

Got mine here: http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=8636 Perfect quality!

and,...here it comes....omg im feeling it...........OMODASMD:MADJASDJASL:DJASLKDJALSDKJADLKSJAD:DJLKAJ!!$j"PO:AEJ:kdfksdvksf SADA ****JNGINS HIT !!!! GIVE MMEEEEEE NOOOOOOWOWOWOWO RRRAAAAAWRRRWWWWW! Ugh................I need to learn to control my internet forum type spasm.

I think I've seen like four from you in the last couple days. Eh, it's always amusing. Have at it. :P

[Asuka]

Oh man i watched it like so many times in a row. It brought a tear to my eye!

[DigiQ8]

Oh man i watched it like so many times in a row. It brought a tear to my eye!
I remember the good ol' days of hype and waiting when i watch it :(

[The Monkey]

That looks awesome! What was up with that fast train ride?

[Samon]

It was actually a car, strangely enough :P

[rambler]

OOOOHHHHHH!!!! AAAALLLLYYYXXXX!!!

i wish alyx was my gf instead of my actualy gf. my actual gf sucks.

[Greatgat]

It was actually a car, strangely enough :P

I got the impression it was kind of like a mine car for some reason. I was picturing Indiana Jones with a gravity gun.






...COOL.

edit: ^ D:

[rambler]

ditto. mine car type thing. or one of those metal coffin on a wire things...

[Przemek]

[ please delete ]

[Asuka]

I remember the good ol' days of hype and waiting when i watch it :(

Same man. Not only that but just games in general and how the insane ones leave a impact on your life. Makes you appreciate the talent involved in making great games even more.

[AJ Rimmer]

That trailer made me believe VALVe when they said they can now make better HL2 content. And considering how good HL2 is... oh boy...

[DigiQ8]

I cant believe how slow HL2.net news writers are
they didnt even post anything about the trailer or the new Steam update

MOVE PEOPLE !

[drunkymonkey]

I dig some of the set pieces in the trailer, especially the gunship crashing down. It wasn't as gripping as the HL2 E3 videoes, but close enough.

[Samon]

I think its far more gripping than any of the old E3 videos.

As for the car, if you have the vid on high quality you'll see Alyx actually has her hands on a steering wheel.

[drunkymonkey]

I think its far more gripping than any of the old E3 videos.

As for the car, if you have the vid on high quality you'll see Alyx actually has her hands on a steering wheel.Have you disagree there. the E3 trailers have a bit more oomph, and were better presented (ie the blackouts, the haunting music, the set pieces). This one was quite good though.

[SFLUFAN]

I think its far more gripping than any of the old E3 videos.

As for the car, if you have the vid on high quality you'll see Alyx actually has her hands on a steering wheel.

Must be a requirement in Source-engine based episodic content to have the chick drive the car :laugh:

And you're right - this is far more gripping -- because it's far more "cinematic" -- than the E3 videos.

[pomegranate]

OOOOHHHHHH!!!! AAAALLLLYYYXXXX!!!

i wish alyx was my gf instead of my actualy gf. my actual gf sucks.

dude, you need to keep that to yourself.

[Combine Hybrid]

WTF? How did the antlions get inside the city?

I loved the scene when the bridge in citadel gets destroyed and combine soldiers falling to their death.

[SFLUFAN]

WTF? How did the antlions get inside the city?

I loved the scene when the bridge in citadel gets destroyed and combine soldiers falling to their death.

With the Citadel falling apart and the Combine forces in disarray, the outside world is able to enter City 17.

[Mith']

HD version on Gametrailers.com..
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10003&type=wmv

[Hullu]

lyke, so kewl!!!1111111111111111

[Zeus]

it looks really good...except where alyx kicked the zombie..that was just stupid.

[Greatgat]

HD version on Gametrailers.com..
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10003&type=wmv

Thanks! :thumbs: Now I can see the Alyx in the car!

[kupocake]

I'm digging this like 29 citadels on a planet full of plentiful resources.

I like how they've got some background action in the remote cameras: I mean in the part where you see Mossman, with Resistance fighters running past in the background. Detail like that can really suck you into the world...

[drunkymonkey]

I'm digging this like 29 citadels on a planet full of plentiful resources.That was a very bad pun.

[weskerQ8]

woooow thats ****ing wow

[ríomhaire]

I think its far more gripping than any of the old E3 videos.

As for the car, if you have the vid on high quality you'll see Alyx actually has her hands on a steering wheel.
I can plainly see that in my shit-tastic quality one.

[DEATH eVADER]

Whats with that car? it is going through the citadel

Somebody mentioned Mecha Breen was shown in the trailer, where abouts?

[capteeni]

Whats with that car? it is going through the citadel

Somebody mentioned Mecha Breen was shown in the trailer, where abouts?
after broken bridge, in time 00:38 he is not seen, but shadows or silhouette...just look slow-mo and you see it

[kupocake]

That was a very bad pun.
That'll be because "A pun (also known as paronomasia) is a figure of speech which consists of a deliberate confusion of similar words or phrases for rhetorical effect, whether humorous or serious. A pun can rely on the assumed equivalency of multiple similar words (homonymy), of different shades of meaning of one word (polysemy), or of a literal meaning with a metaphor." So yes I agree, it's an exceptionally bad pun, what with it not being one at all.

[Dario D.]

Ah, lookin' good. I hope it's long.

[0mar]

it's on gamershell for dd. anyway, it looks AMAZING! and to the guy that said it showed a 'mecha breen'.. uh.. where?


Mecha Breen = Breen in a host body? This was briefly alluded to before Gordon threw dark energy balls into the dark fusion reactor.

[SPARTACVS]

That'll be because "A pun (also known as paronomasia) is a figure of speech which consists of a deliberate confusion of similar words or phrases for rhetorical effect, whether humorous or serious. A pun can rely on the assumed equivalency of multiple similar words (homonymy), of different shades of meaning of one word (polysemy), or of a literal meaning with a metaphor." So yes I agree, it's an exceptionally bad pun, what with it not being one at all.
Dude, who cares? It was a very bad simile then...

[ríomhaire]

Whats with that car? it is going through the citadel

Somebody mentioned Mecha Breen was shown in the trailer, where abouts?
Maybe the car is Breen's? I think they thought whatever is going on with the bubble as a mech-Breenification process.

[SPARTACVS]

I am almost entirely convinced that the voice at the end of the trailer is the G-Man, it's just that he doesn't talk so weird when he's pissed off! I guess the fact that he lost control of you and you work for yourself now might explain his pissed-offness.

[kupocake]

Dude, who cares? It was a very bad simile then...Sorry, I wasn't aware there was a review board for these kinds of things. Oh, and:
I am almost entirely convinced that the voice at the end of the trailer is the G-Man, it's just that he doesn't talk so weird when he's pissed off! I guess the fact that he lost control of you and you work for yourself now might explain his pissed-offness.
This is an extremely bad case of stating the obvious that was stated around 12 months ago.

:P

[UltimaApocalypse]

I guess we do start off at the same exact place....

Let me compile up a list of things that are awesome from this video:
1. Rubble falling from the sky
2.Alyx driving some sort of car, going REALLY fast, going through the citadel while it's getting raped by the dark fusion reactor.
3.The obvious improvement of AI in Alyx. She can kick people when they get close :D.
4.The awesome sequence of that blue energy growing.
5.More Strider sequences
6.Signs of destruction everywhere. Smoke, fires, you name it.
7.Ant Guards killing Combine (We, of course, are smart enough to dodge their attacks :))
8.The fact that the video is over a minute long.

Edit: As for the thing inside that bubble, it could either be:
A:The core of the energy
B:Some sort of synth...?
C:Where I stopped it, it KIND OF looks like Breen in a crouching position.

I cannot provide a picture, because the media player comes out black.

[Hypnosos]

OMG, Awesome!!!!!! :D :D :D
I want it now!!!!

[^Ben]

http://ep1.half-life2.com/

[capteeni]

"In Half-Life, the G-Man made you. In Half-Life 2, he used you to defeat Dr. Breen and start the Resistance. In Episode One, he's lost control."

MAde Gordon?

".. the G-Man, his mysterious goals apparently satisfied, reappears to once again toss his pawn into timeless cold storage.

Consciousness returns. Gordon and Alyx discover they've somehow escaped both the reactor explosion and the G-Man's malevolent grasp."

They do not have idea what happened (Valve) Do they?

[xirow]

"Consciousness returns. Gordon and Alyx discover they've somehow escaped both the reactor explosion and the G-Man's malevolent grasp. Before they can ponder their miraculous survival, the crippled Citadel lurches back to life just long enough to initiate a self-destruct sequence. With Alyx at his side, Gordon must flee a city in chaos before the Citadel's final detonation turns City 17 into a toxic, mutant-infested crater."

:S

[UltimaApocalypse]

One more thing. Eli AND Mossman seem to be in a very safe place. Same place, I think. How did they get out so fast?

[SPARTACVS]

Sorry, I wasn't aware there was a review board for these kinds of things. Oh, and:

This is an extremely bad case of stating the obvious that was stated around 12 months ago.

:P
:dozey: Was the first Aftermath trailer even out a year ago?

[Rockin Nick]

That trailer is awsome, and they didn't spoil anything, well done.
I am very excited for this game, it seems so awsome, but it still seems so far off.

Here is a zoomed in screenshot of that thing in the bubble, hopes this helps some how.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/GENick403/Mecha-Breen.png
Doesn't look too much like Breen to me, I'm going with a Synth or the real Combine, probably Synth.

[kupocake]

:dozey: Was the first Aftermath trailer even out a year ago?
August, so 8 months. Close enough to a year for me :P

[UltimaApocalypse]

What was Mossman saying? "I'm going to cut you short they may have responded"?

[kupocake]

What was Mossman saying? "I'm going to cut you short they may have responded"?
"I better cut you short, we may have been spotted"?

[pomegranate]

Should we take the inclusion of his name on the site as confirmation that 'G-Man' is the official name of, uh, the G-Man?

[kupocake]

Should we take the inclusion of his name on the site as confirmation that 'G-Man' is the official name of, uh, the G-Man?
It's not the first time he's been called the G-Man by Valve, that's happened in countless interviews and presentations. So in that sense he's been officially the G-Man for years. To me, only a reference in the game itself can stop the name from being anything more than a convenient way to reference the character.

[Samon]

I don't think it means 'take it as his official name', its just a simple way to note him as.

[Snowden]

I don't think it means 'take it as his official name', its just a simple way to note him as.

Yup, the site even says so: "The G-Man, as he's come to be called"

[Greatgat]

I don't think it means 'take it as his official name', its just a simple way to note him as.

I did notice that the site referred to the G-Man as "an interdimensional bureaucrat". Proves that he's not entirely of this world, if anyone was still doubting it by this point.

[Rockin Nick]

I did notice that the site referred to the G-Man as "an interdimensional bureaucrat". Proves that he's not entirely of this world, if anyone was still doubting it by this point.

Not only that but apparently he is a "sinister" interdimensional bureaucrat.
There goes the thinking that hes just a nice guy with a speech impediment, who would just nicely put Gordon into statis after he found out he escaped.

[Agent G-Man]

The trailer is just awesome......

[-smash-]

Some reason Episode One looks better than HL2. :p

[pomegranate]

Some reason Episode One looks better than HL2. :p

Probably because Valve are running it on the most powerful gaming rig money can buy. Also, video editing/direction

[CrazyJeepDriver]

Holy Crap, thats amazing

IWantNow!

[SPARTACVS]

Where did the reference "G-Man" come from anyways? Was it said in Half Life 1? Did someone in the community just start calling him that after HL1, and VALVe just adopted it? Because on the Episode 1 website, it says that that's what he's come to be called, but are they talking about by the fans? What's up with that?

[-smash-]

Dunno... There's a book with a guy that looks like him and his name is GMan. So, it could have been made by the community. Maybe... The book has more info on him.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4363/dellgmanhardcvr9uc.jpg

[nutcrackr]

The actual model name in the original was called gman.

[SPARTACVS]

The actual model name in the original was called gman.
Cool.

[Tamer17]

Well , the falling debris at the start are low quality as well as the part with the car , alyx's hands and the inside of the car look very poor.

But of course , the game is WIP. I find it hard to belive that the final product will look like that.

It seems that the part of the gunship crashing is that scene PC Gamer mentioned with the wooden hut.

[rambler]

isn't the thing in the blue bubble a drop-synth? i kind of just assumed it was, and then we see one a bit later. maybe they're teleporting it in and it will have BOSSSSSSSS in it. remember they said there was going to be a boss.

[UltimaApocalypse]

But unless the citadel has two teleportation chambers, nothing is being ported in.

Teh Proof:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_311/vortal_pic_155654.jpgThe room behind the Combine is where Alyx looks out and says "What the hell are they up to?" It is NOT the same control room from the end of HL2. Therefore, not a teleportation chamber.

[rambler]

it could be a secondary one, or a makeshift one, or one they didn't know was there. or maybe the one we destroyed only goes to the other worlds and there's one for coming to ours. use your imagination.

[xirow]

isn't the thing in the blue bubble a drop-synth? i kind of just assumed it was, and then we see one a bit later. maybe they're teleporting it in and it will have BOSSSSSSSS in it. remember they said there was going to be a boss.

I don’t think a dropship would fit in that tiny, blue bubble.

[UltimaApocalypse]

it could be a secondary one, or a makeshift one, or one they didn't know was there. or maybe the one we destroyed only goes to the other worlds and there's one for coming to ours. use your imagination.

Thats not how their teleporters work. At all. We destroyed what powers them.

[Samon]

Its not a teleporter, that I am certain of. The Citadel has only one portal, and that is the one merged with the reactor at the end of HL2. Destroying that destroyed the tunnelling entanglement system, and therefore even if it were a teleporter they would be unable of porting in.

The only thing the Combine can do at this point is put the Citadel into self destruct. If you remember Breen handed control over the Citadel and its reactor to the Combine so Alyx and Gordon couldn't tamper with it.

[UltimaApocalypse]

Hmmm, is HDR on during that video?

[AzzMan]

Is that the buggy that dropship has after the clip with the bubble?

[ríomhaire]

Is that the buggy that dropship has after the clip with the bubble?
No, it's a strider.

[hool10]

I think Alyx is trying to shut down the self-destruct sequence and that door opens up with the bluish stuff. Then she realizes that she can't do anything about it because the combine are in control of it. At that point they realize that they gotta get out of City 17. Thats what I think anyways.

[Tortekr]

I am not sure if this has been posted, but on Facepunch, I've read that the object in the blue sphere is a Cremator. It think it is, just look closely. But it could either be Mech Breen, which is higly unlikely, a heavily wattered down and worsened AI Hydra, or a Cremator.

[Przemek]

I also thought it's a Cremator in the sphere, it looks really similar. But why would a Cremator appear in it? Are they going to come out of the sphere, like a dozen Cremators coming out and going to the streets?

[xirow]

The only thing you see is some deformed silhouette. There really is no way of telling what’s inside, íf there even is something inside. But a hydra is impossible and a Cremator or some kind of mecha Breen is highly unlikely.

[Samon]

I don't think there is anything in that sphere. Its certainly not a Cremator or Hydra, its merely an energy core within the Citadel.

[Black Mesa corp]

Come on guys, admit it, my theory on the return of the Cremator is inevitable! :P

[Tortekr]

Well, think about. There has to be a reason Valve delayed it. Maybe, they dumdbed down the Hydra AI. Or, they could've changed the Cremator's roll. Anyways, I'm probably wrong.

[Samon]

Retail. Thats probably why it got delayed. And even better so, more time to fine tune it. I doubt we'll see the Hydra or the cremator anyway.

[Tortekr]

I think Alyx is trying to shut down the self-destruct sequence and that door opens up with the bluish stuff. Then she realizes that she can't do anything about it because the combine are in control of it. At that point they realize that they gotta get out of City 17. Thats what I think anyways.

I see, it might be at the start of episode 1. She says, "What are they up to?" or something like that. Yes, it probably is the core.

[rambler]

kage bunshin no jutsu!!

[gunny-man]

**** THAT WAS NutS !!!

http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos/nuts-walnuts.jpg

[Asuka]

Man just reading this thread is making me shake! I seriously cant wait. June 1 is soooooooooooo close but yet soooooooooooooo far :/

[DigiQ8]

i see Strider in the sphere

[Samon]

You see wrong. Lawl.

[rambler]

oh... BURN! that's a BURN dude! burn! BURN!! COS YOU CAN'T SEE BLINDY!! BLINDY BLINDY!! HA HA HA HA!! BURNED BY A MOD AND LAUGHED AT BY AN IDIOT!!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZING!!!!

and it's not 'i see Strider in the sphere' it's a see a strider in the sphere' and why the capital on strider blindy? it's not a name, what? do you see aragorn from Lord of the Rings in there?? LOL! ROFL! LMFAO!

blindy blindy blindy!!

[AJ Rimmer]

it's a see a strider in the sphere'

blindy blindy blindy!!

Yeeeees...

[Reginald]

Is there one point in the video where a dropship seems to have Strider legs coming out the front? Or is the dropship carrying the Strider and I am just "blindy"? :|

[Greatgat]

Is there one point in the video where a dropship seems to have Strider legs coming out the front? Or is the dropship carrying the Strider and I am just "blindy"? :|

Yeah, it's just a Dropship carrying a Strider. You see one doing so at one point in HL2. Sometime during Follow Freeman probably.

[Reginald]

Thank God. However cool it sounds, it looked crap.